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Israel Is Here To Kick Ass And Chew Gum, And It's All Out Of Gum...
Telvannas
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I don't see any reason why the countries around Israel are STILL trying to fight it. I mean, they all got beat IN A ROW during the 6 Day War, you'd've thought they'd've learnt...
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Yeah, I don't agree with the Israelis because I think they are there for the wrong reason.
I don't really care though. They are the better fighters, they won their land fair and square. They sure as hell are some bad asses. Pretty much their entire Army can be compared with the US Rangers.
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I blame the Super-Christian™ government.
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"Won their land"? it was given to them by Britain.
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
But whatever. That treaty was ended because the Jews and the Arabs kept fighting, and Britain couldn't stop them.
It's a mess over there and it's been going on so long. I wish they could get along cause the two cultures could learn a lot from each other.
"The new age is upon us, yet the past refuses to rest in its shallow grave."
You go tell that to Hezbollah. You go tell that to all those dead and captured terrorists that Israeli forces took last year. The only reason they backed down was the stupid UN and liberal media. It was Hezbollah and Syria suing for peace. The only reason why you think Israel got beat because you read the pro terrorist news in the USA and Europe.
The US didn't help Israeli in the six day war. The US didn't supplied arms and intelligence to Israeli at that time like we are doing now. They won it by themselves. I give more respect to Israeli then I have for those people that stay on their seat, get fat, and don't know how to fight. Every Israeli know how to fight when they first learn to walk. They teach there children values and the will to fight against evil.
I suggest people start learning about the middle east instead of reading the liberal newspapers or from your liberal friends. Here is a good start. So. When are those captures soldiers getting free?
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You go tell that to Hezbollah. You go tell that to all those dead and captured terrorists that Israeli forces took last year. The only reason they backed down was the stupid UN and liberal media. It was Hezbollah and Syria suing for peace. The only reason why you think Israel got beat because you read the pro terrorist news in the USA and Europe.
The US didn't help Israeli in the six day war. The US didn't supplied arms and intelligence to Israeli at that time like we are doing now. They won it by themselves. I give more respect to Israeli then I have for those people that stay on their seat, get fat, and don't know how to fight. Every Israeli know how to fight when they first learn to walk. They teach there children values and the will to fight against evil.
I suggest people start learning about the middle east instead of reading the liberal newspapers or from your liberal friends. Here is a good start.
First off, American media is very pro-Israel. Most Americans are very pro-Israel. You cant say anything against Israel in this country without being slammed as being an anti-Semite, which is an inaccurate label. You conservatives forget that the largest media outlet is owned by Rupert Murdoch (Fox News), and is incredibly conservative and has the most viewers. Radio is also dominated by conservatives.
No one won the war in the summer. All that was really achieved in any direction was that Israel made even more enemies and gave Hezbollah more support by bombing civilian districts. If the UN hadnt stopped it, they probably would've just killed everyone in the country.
The US has been supplying Israel with military technology since the Kennedy administration. The 6 Day war occurred after the JFK administration. We also supplied diplomatic support as well, and the fact that we had a powerful naval and nuclear presence in the area is a nice way to exert support for a nation.
Support or detraction of Israel has nothing to do with political affiliation. One of the most liberal people I know is Jewish, and as such loves Israel and everything it does. JFK loved Israel and he was a liberal. Conversely, super radical conservatives such as neo-Nazi groups obviously hate Israel. The Middle East is a very conservative place and they hate Israel.
It is obvious that Israel's policies have done nothing to benefit themselves. Israelis should ask themselves "If we've been fighting the same way since the 40s, and we still cant get on the bus without being afraid of suicide bombers, obviously we're doing something wrong."
Though no one should say that Israel doesnt have a right to exist. Both sides are wrong in this war.
600-1,000 active fighters
3,000-10,000 reservists
Israel active strength:
30,000 ground troops
Casualties:
Hezbollah militia:
Dead:
~250 (Hezbollah claim)
≤500 (Lebanese officials' est.)
~500 (UN officials' est.)
~600 (IDF est.)
Captured: 13
PFLP militia: Dead: 2
Amal militia: Dead: 1
Israel Defense Forces:
Dead: 119
Wounded: 400+
Captured: 2
Lebanese citizens:
1,035-1,191 dead
4,409 wounded
Now...
Let's see what the objectives where, shall we?
Hezbollah: Survive, keep captures soldiers, obtain victory in the eyes of the Lebanese people, obtain victory in the eyes of the world, sustain doing damage to Israel, ...
Israel: Destroy Hezbollah, free captured soldiers, completely enable Hezbollah to continue firing rockets into Israel, obtain victory in the eyes of the world, obtain victory in the eyes of the home front.
Hezbollah succeeded on all fronts. They are still there and have a large influence in the region and in Lebanon. They still have the soldiers. They are more popular than ever in Lebanon. Numerous renomated magazines and journalists and alanysts have concluded that the victorer was Hezbollah. The rockets attacks NEVER STOPPED TROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CONFLICT.
Israel failed on all fronts. Hezbollah is still around. The soldiers are still captured. Although they destroyed a large amount of rockets sites they never succeeded in negating Hezbollah's rocket offensive power. As said, the free press concluded Hezbollah won the conflict. In polls a majority of the Israelis said they didn't believe anyone won the conflict.
And now let's see who spent the most money... Oh boy, oh boy. Deploying 30K soldiers. Day and night air raids. Ammunition. The massive cost of dead soldiers (they're expensive to train). Of course the cost for Lebanon is much, much higher. Israel spent about 1.6 to 3 billion US dollars. While Lebanon lost a staggering 7 to 15 billion US dollars on the war. BUT, the objective was to hit Hezbollah, not Lebanon. And the damage to Lebanon is less than equal to the loss of influence and respect of Israel in the region.
All in all... Best army in the world or not... They lost.
21th century warfare isn't about land-hopping or raising flags on parliament houses anymore. It's simply about reaching goals, at as little cost as possible.
And yes, the plebs in the world may regret this loss of romanticism in war...
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You go tell that to Hezbollah. You go tell that to all those dead and captured terrorists that Israeli forces took last year. The only reason they backed down was the stupid UN and liberal media. It was Hezbollah and Syria suing for peace. The only reason why you think Israel got beat because you read the pro terrorist news in the USA and Europe.
The US didn't help Israeli in the six day war. The US didn't supplied arms and intelligence to Israeli at that time like we are doing now. They won it by themselves. I give more respect to Israeli then I have for those people that stay on their seat, get fat, and don't know how to fight. Every Israeli know how to fight when they first learn to walk. They teach there children values and the will to fight against evil.
I suggest people start learning about the middle east instead of reading the liberal newspapers or from your liberal friends. Here is a good start. I'm not a liberal...
Israel and it's puppet, the USA, are both as evil as evil gets. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
Wait! Better take that crack-rock out first!
Oh bullshit.....if they are by far the best military in the Middle East then we can just pack up and go home, cause they should be able to look after themselves. The United States has the best military in the Middle East, and could reduce Israel to a shambling wreak in no time.
Israel, the best military in the Middle East, my ass. Now, not only do they write American foreign policy, they think they can kick our ass. I sure hope the next President puts a stop to this Israeli arrogence.
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You go tell that to Hezbollah. You go tell that to all those dead and captured terrorists that Israeli forces took last year. The only reason they backed down was the stupid UN and liberal media. It was Hezbollah and Syria suing for peace. The only reason why you think Israel got beat because you read the pro terrorist news in the USA and Europe.
The US didn't help Israeli in the six day war. The US didn't supplied arms and intelligence to Israeli at that time like we are doing now. They won it by themselves. I give more respect to Israeli then I have for those people that stay on their seat, get fat, and don't know how to fight. Every Israeli know how to fight when they first learn to walk. They teach there children values and the will to fight against evil.
I suggest people start learning about the middle east instead of reading the liberal newspapers or from your liberal friends. Here is a good start. I'm not a liberal...
Israel and it's puppet, the USA, are both as evil as evil gets. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
Wait! Better take that crack-rock out first!
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