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General: MMOWTF: The Extinction of the Nerd?

StraddenStradden Managing EditorMember CommonPosts: 6,696

This week, Dan Fortier waxes philospohical about the extinction of the "nerd" as he / she has always been known.

Sometime far in the future a group of Anthropologists studying relics of the First Age of MMOs will come upon a very strange sight while investigating a LAN party dig site. Among the debris and filth, one of them discovers an array of strange books inside a primitive tote bag. The pages are yellow and on the verge of collapse, but some ancient American writing can barely be made out on the cover above some pictures of man in armor wielding swords fighting a dragon: Dungeons and Dragons!

The student takes a deep breath in shock as he contemplates what this must mean. Just then another of the scientists calls out from the other side of the room with an urgent yell. The group gathers around a skeleton of a human laid out in front of one of the computers clutching a copy of "PC Gamer" in one hand, wearing a pocket protector and a pair of eroded glasses still perched clumsily on his face.

Read the whole column here.

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Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com

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  • CaesarsGhostCaesarsGhost Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,136
    haha... love the EQ references.



    That's something nobody can ever take away from Blizzard... WoW works, and works well... on all Operating Systems and most hardware.

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  • jensen_34jensen_34 Member Posts: 52

    The definition of "hardcore" gamer is quickly changing.  In the MMO world a hardcore gamer was basically someone who could invest a ridiculous amount of time in the game.  Games like EQ made it essential for players to invest several hours every day in order to access the content with the front runners.  We've already seen movement away from this kind of game design.

    Moving forward the games that will capture market share will be those that avoid the approach of timesink = more monthly fees=win.  Games that focus on actual game play that keeps players coming back because the want to not because they have to will be the next gens.  Of course it's easier said then done, but as technology improves and gives more power to indy devs it won't be long until you see a grind killer come along that changes the business model.

    Am I worried about the ez mode games coming out over and over again?  Not really, demand for challenging games will always be there and will only continue to grow as online gaming becomes a more prevalent source of entertainment.  I just hope supply meets the demand before my Alzheimers sets in.

  • SnakeOfEarthSnakeOfEarth Member Posts: 1
    For the love of McQuaid! This is a good point...   This really makes me wonder where MMO's are going to be in the near future.  You know, though, despite the multitude of watered-down products, all this does is act like a funnel to the more specialized games?  Ones that would attract a more extreme crowd.

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  • Ever-AngelEver-Angel Member Posts: 46
    How true.
  • Hamilton-NEOHamilton-NEO Member Posts: 75

    This may be true for the large publisher games, but I believe we will see a new paradigm shift in the near future, if not now. 

    We will see more MMO's coming out by smaller companies and independent teams.  The successful ones will be those that will have found a niche market.  Right now, the MMO market has not reached saturation as most of the niche markets have yet to be explored.

    This extinction of the geek in the computer gaming industry will not happen, for we are in the Silent Film years of MMO's.

    Sign off,
    Hamilton

  • NarggNargg Member Posts: 17
    It seems to me that person who wrote the column was either very bored, or out of touch.  While it was fun to read, the issue was so un-true it's sad.  Maybe I'm just being to negative today, it Monday I guess...

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  • adriaansadriaans Member Posts: 125
    Good article!

    Knowledge is Power!

  • Lunar_KnightLunar_Knight Member Posts: 292
    Originally posted by Hamilton-WDS


    This may be true for the large publisher games, but I believe we will see a new paradigm shift in the near future, if not now. 
    We will see more MMO's coming out by smaller companies and independent teams.  The successful ones will be those that will have found a niche market.  Right now, the MMO market has not reached saturation as most of the niche markets have yet to be explored.
    This extinction of the geek in the computer gaming industry will not happen, for we are in the Silent Film years of MMO's.



    Stole the words right out of my mouth! As the market expands, you'll see more specialty or "niche" games. You'll see the really all-encompassing classic style MMO, but in a few years gaming will become so main stream and indie devs so prevalent we'll all probably go insane trying decide just which games to play.

    The only thing I don't agree with your post is that last sentence. I'd say we are just now getting out of the Spagetti Westrens of MMOs (MUDs were the Silent Fims of MMORPGs)

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  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697

    Great article!  I have been thinking about how mainstream MMO's are becomming... and I have to say...  I think I liked it better when I was a nerd. 

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  • BargeBarge Member Posts: 65

    The mainstream acceptance of MMOs is merely one facet of the changing of our cultural perception of nerds in general. At one time the "nerd" community was at best a slim minority of those who were on the ground floor of our new culture. Today our culture has a boderline Psychotic obsession with Electronics. For christ sake Apple is a trendy name now. An entire generation is wired nerely everywhere they go. E-Mail , Instant messanging, Personal Webpages, and Forums once the bastions of nerdity, are now available to the masses. You don't need to be a computer science major to know how to operate a website anymore. The term "closet gamer" is closer to extiction then nerd. I imagine the gaming industry taking a similar form to the Beer industry. There will be widely available and affordable games, that a ton of people will play, regardless of quality (Much like Coors, Miller, Bud etc.), and then there will be a smaller market for the "hardcore" which will be less available, and more expensive, but will generally be made to the demanding specifications of thier consumers (Trappist Ale, Microbrews).

     

  • SNievesSNieves Member Posts: 22

    This is one of those articles that make me go, "um, so what?"  There was absolutely no substance or value to me.  With that said, I sign off and hope one of your future articles is about something that matters to the every day gamer.

    Hasta

  • Jimmy_ScytheJimmy_Scythe Member CommonPosts: 3,586
    After reading that I'm almost wondering what the writer was smoking. Games are still considered the domain of kids, teenagers, and socially underdeveloped adults. I was at a family reunion last year and during a brief moment I started playing Age of Empires 2 on my DS. It wasn't more than 5 minutes before one of my cousins rolled their eyes and asked "aren't you a little old to still being playing video games?" I'm 32, she's 27. Apparently you're supposed to put these "childish things" aside when you hit an unspecified age.



    Have you ever paid attention to the media stereotypes of gamers? Now more than ever, gamers are being portrayed as geeks that will probably never get laid. From short indie films like Fear of Girls to Weird Al singing White and Nerdy, you just get more of the same ideas about games and gamers. We're not more "normal" than we were 20 years ago. Less so actually.



    In the beginning, games were in the arcades and they were something that kids did. Now, games are on consoles and PC and they're something that people with no social skills do. We went from being kids to nerds. Ain't progress grand?!

  • mugsmugs Member Posts: 11
    Nice post, finally some good thing to be readen here....
  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495
    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

    After reading that I'm almost wondering what the writer was smoking. Games are still considered the domain of kids, teenagers, and socially underdeveloped adults. I was at a family reunion last year and during a brief moment I started playing Age of Empires 2 on my DS. It wasn't more than 5 minutes before one of my cousins rolled their eyes and asked "aren't you a little old to still being playing video games?" I'm 32, she's 27. Apparently you're supposed to put these "childish things" aside when you hit an unspecified age.



    Have you ever paid attention to the media stereotypes of gamers? Now more than ever, gamers are being portrayed as geeks that will probably never get laid. From short indie films like Fear of Girls to Weird Al singing White and Nerdy, you just get more of the same ideas about games and gamers. We're not more "normal" than we were 20 years ago. Less so actually.



    In the beginning, games were in the arcades and they were something that kids did. Now, games are on consoles and PC and they're something that people with no social skills do. We went from being kids to nerds. Ain't progress grand?!

     

    Please remember the person above me only represents himself i have no part of his domain of gamers, also most gamers i know including myself have jobs/family/friends, there is really a misconseption about the "nerdy" gamer, i do believe that some people still look abit wierd at the gamer in general but gaming is really getting mainstream and will become even more a parts of dayly lives. Remember 15/20 years ago Hip-hop/rap was more a underground thing, there where some commercial succeses but not like we have today, the same is happening with gaming, just look at "games" like Second Life (don't like the "game" but its populair and talked about in many regular tv program and this will become even more in the future.

    Home // Facts & Research // Game Player Data

    Game Player Data

     

    How Many Americans Play Games?

    • Sixty-nine percent of American heads of households play computer and video games.

    Who Purchases Computer and Video Games?

    • Ninety-three percent of people who make the actual purchase of computer games and 83% of people who make the actual purchase of video games are 18 years of age or older. The average age of the game buyer is 40 years old.

    How Long Have Gamers Been Playing?

    • Adult gamers have been playing an average of 12 years. Among most frequent gamers, adult males average 10 years for game playing, females for 8 years.

    Will Gamers Keep Playing?

    • Fifty-three percent of game players expect to be playing as much or more ten years from now than they do today.

    Who Plays Computer and Video Games?




    ps. i don't agree with all things said like"how long gamers have been playing, but its a estimate so might be okay but i sure know many people that are into games atleast 15/20 years if not some more.
  • stich22stich22 Member Posts: 6
    I must say, the fact that people no longer have to treat MMO's like second rate underpaying jobs is a relief. I enjoy a good game but considering the attention spam that 3/4 of us have in our constantly changing world, from music, to TV, to consoles, and even MMO's. People want to feel rewarded and as if the accomplished something that doesn't take years of work. We waste enough time grinding at real jobs for a promotion. Game creator's now have a new challenge, BALANCE. In order to make a game successful, you have to appeal to the public in a way that keeps them playing and does not feel that they are having their lives sucked away at the same time. WOW did an awesome job of combining some really well written story lines that you can follow or just go and kill everything that moves and still feel like you can accomplish what ever goal it is your working on in a reasonable amount of time and still get time to work out or even go out see the sunlight again.......And yes the sun does still exist.
  • FinalFanFinalFan Member Posts: 12
    Great article. In my opinion most MMO's, hell most games, are missing spirit!!! Ill take wow for an example and the degradation of paladins to become canned casters ... Paladins are supposed to be noble knights, feared for their might and faith, not wand wavers disguised as tuna fish...
  • RyowulfRyowulf Member UncommonPosts: 664
    What's different today, is that nerd is more a perception and less about reality. People see to much of themselves is 'nerds' so try to distance themselves.
  • ginatroutginatrout Member Posts: 48
    Originally posted by Reklaw

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

    After reading that I'm almost wondering what the writer was smoking. Games are still considered the domain of kids, teenagers, and socially underdeveloped adults. I was at a family reunion last year and during a brief moment I started playing Age of Empires 2 on my DS. It wasn't more than 5 minutes before one of my cousins rolled their eyes and asked "aren't you a little old to still being playing video games?" I'm 32, she's 27. Apparently you're supposed to put these "childish things" aside when you hit an unspecified age.



    Have you ever paid attention to the media stereotypes of gamers? Now more than ever, gamers are being portrayed as geeks that will probably never get laid. From short indie films like Fear of Girls to Weird Al singing White and Nerdy, you just get more of the same ideas about games and gamers. We're not more "normal" than we were 20 years ago. Less so actually.



    In the beginning, games were in the arcades and they were something that kids did. Now, games are on consoles and PC and they're something that people with no social skills do. We went from being kids to nerds. Ain't progress grand?!

     

    Please remember the person above me only represents himself i have no part of his domain of gamers, also most gamers i know including myself have jobs/family/friends, there is really a misconseption about the "nerdy" gamer, i do believe that some people still look abit wierd at the gamer in general but gaming is really getting mainstream and will become even more a parts of dayly lives. Remember 15/20 years ago Hip-hop/rap was more a underground thing, there where some commercial succeses but not like we have today, the same is happening with gaming, just look at "games" like Second Life (don't like the "game" but its populair and talked about in many regular tv program and this will become even more in the future.

    Home // Facts & Research // Game Player Data

    Game Player Data

     

    How Many Americans Play Games?

    • Sixty-nine percent of American heads of households play computer and video games.

    Who Purchases Computer and Video Games?

    • Ninety-three percent of people who make the actual purchase of computer games and 83% of people who make the actual purchase of video games are 18 years of age or older. The average age of the game buyer is 40 years old.

    How Long Have Gamers Been Playing?

    • Adult gamers have been playing an average of 12 years. Among most frequent gamers, adult males average 10 years for game playing, females for 8 years.

    Will Gamers Keep Playing?

    • Fifty-three percent of game players expect to be playing as much or more ten years from now than they do today.

    Who Plays Computer and Video Games?




    ps. i don't agree with all things said like"how long gamers have been playing, but its a estimate so might be okay but i sure know many people that are into games atleast 15/20 years if not some more. OMG brilliant. Those "kids" that played arcade games way back then grew up...but still play video games now...who would of thunk it.



    Of course those generalizations will always be there for people who dont understand.  But then again..being a "nerd" has become a demographic to pander crap to.
  • AlienovrlordAlienovrlord Member Posts: 1,525

    Reklaw  - Very useful supplemental information.  Thanks for posting it.

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe



    Have you ever paid attention to the media stereotypes of gamers?

    Actually there was a very interesting segment on NPR a couple of months back where they talked about 'Gray Gamers'.   The segment was about a new gaming market - the growing number of retired people who have large amounts of time and are turning to online games.

    They interviewed grandmothers (yes, grandmothers) who were playing Guild Wars.   The women said they enjoyed the online game partly for the social aspect but also because they felt it helped to keep thier minds active, something which doctors are learning is very important for the mental health of the elderly.    I'll admit it was kind of weird hearing these elderly women discussing how they were going to kill a sea monster as they played but at the same time I think the segment gave us a look into the future of the genre. 

    The NPR segment would not have possible without some of the points the OP's artcle mentioned.   Online games have finally broken through with game mechanics that are actually fun and they are attracting a wider variety of people.  

    Certainly other online games based on classics like poker or Scrabble are also popular, but I think it would be a mistake for MMORPGs to ignore people who might be quite willing to buy and play their games as long as developers avoid the hardcore game mechanics that alienated the genre so much in the past. 

    As online games become more and more widespread, they will no longer be relegated to the exclusive domain of nerds, but never fear tabletop D&D will probably be around for a long time :) 

  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490

    Hmm, I'm not so sure if mmorpgs are mainstream as all that. I go to another forum which is focused around football and that. Mmorpg discussions are reserved to a minority with more discussions going towards PS3 or Xbox360 gaming. So, I'm not really sure. Certainly, WoW has widened that audience though and made steps towards more mainstreamness.

  • kxmodekxmode Member UncommonPosts: 36

    These articles hurt my brain; too much blog prose. Doesn't anyone write normal, professionally written articles anymore?!

     

  • RonnyRulzRonnyRulz Member Posts: 479

    I didn't read the article and this doesn't have much at all to do with MMORPG's, but.....

     

    I was talking a few days ago about the Extinction of the Nerd. The nerd used to be the highly intelligent computer dweeb who was one of the few that knew about electronics, computers, and the internet, and was for the most part a dateless shy genius with acne and a sqeeky voice.

    Now-a-days EVERYONE is a "nerd". Not in that classic definition though. The Super-Nerds of today are all regular college students. The norm. Every video game I get on is the typical college student who parties hardy, drinks, scores with numerous chicks, and likes to brag about it all on VOIP. Regular voiced white males without glasses (we have contacts now!) who are exactly like the football throwing jock or the finely dressed richie rich.

    With the popularization of the internet, electronics, computers, contact lenses, and cell phones, the nerd of yesterday is extinct. Now it seems like any and every Average Joe college student is now a computer nerd.

    Instead of the classic nerd and his intruiging conversation and intellectual discussion, today's nerd is a combination of misinformed Wikipedia Knowledge or Ebaums World of the Encyclopedia conversation that loops in circles along with the rest of the morons chasing their own tails.

    It used to be that nerds were interesting, intellectual, and in those ways cool friends. Now today's nerds are all the same average Joe womanizing drinking partying sixpack who likes to brag and argue senseless topics they learned from poor sources that lack any valid credits. So sad. Instead of talking about highly developed physics, all that is talked about is the latest episode of  Family Guy and how funny it is when they all get naked and eat their own poop.

    Perhaps the real nerds are just quiet while the ones on VOIP are the party hearty guys?

    Maybe it's just me, or maybe MMO's are now just compeltely filled with these average-Joe morons.

    What ever happened to interesting people who weren't a bunch of rude, brainless, humorless jerks who never shut up about Adult Swim? I've heard people talk about Adult Swim and Console Wars (PS3 vs 360 vs Wii) so much, next time I hear it I'm gonna blow up my computer.

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  • CergorachCergorach Member UncommonPosts: 35
    Originally posted by RonnyRulz


    What ever happened to interesting people who weren't a bunch of rude, brainless, humorless jerks who never shut up about Adult Swim?
    You do understand that because we never get "laid", we don't procreate and get bred out of the genepool....
  • tjf311tjf311 Member UncommonPosts: 2
    The nerds of today are the ones who are using true Linux based systems, playing the older games, and writing new ones...

    This however, does not mean that they ignore new happenings in the gaming, science, and electronics world, as they are up to date on those as well.

    They must have at least a general understanding of the many forms of science and math and theres a good chance that they have a vocabulary much larger than the average person.



    Thats what I think a nerd of today is.
  • DestroyeronDestroyeron Member Posts: 79
    Originally posted by RonnyRulz



    It used to be that nerds were interesting, intellectual, and in those ways cool friends. Now today's nerds are all the same average Joe womanizing drinking partying sixpack who likes to brag and argue senseless topics they learned from poor sources that lack any valid credits. So sad. Instead of talking about highly developed physics, all that is talked about is the latest episode of  Family Guy and how funny it is when they all get naked and eat their own poop.
    Simply seems like you have changed your definition of nerd, which means nothing. MMOs have simply gotten more mainstream, which would require more people to be playing them, thus the influx of the "average joe." The definition of nerd hasn't changed.
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