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EverQuest: Progression Servers: Article 1 of 2

StraddenStradden Managing EditorMember CommonPosts: 6,696

In this, the first of a two-part look at the EverQuest Progression Servers, Community Manager Laura Genender talks about the project and her experiences in-game.


EverQuest today consists of over 375 zones scattered over 13 expansions worth of area - multiple continents, a moon, alternate planes of existence, dreamscapes, and more. With eight years of evolution and change, the game is vastly different from the three-continent world which opened its doors to thousands of adventurers in 1999. Hunt spots where players once waited in line are deserted; raid targets that were once highly contested are soloed by bored clerics; and gear that was once coveted is now handed down to alts and sold to vendors.

As zones are introduced to EverQuest, they have to offer players new opportunities: new landscapes, encounters, and gear upgrades. This leads to each expansion inflating the standards of gear and experience. Those original +9 Intelligence/Wisdom Golden Efreeti Boots that were once a badge of honor can't hold a card to even mid-level Planes of Power (5th expansion) gear. And EverQuest's original 50 level cap has raised over the years as well, topping out now at level 75. Old-world zones that are made for level 50s - both in gear opportunities and experience - can't normally attract the modern player.

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Comments

  • DelamekoDelameko Member Posts: 200


    I think the progression servers would have been better if one of them had had a six+ month lock on the next expansion.  Why does the progression server need to catch up with the regular servers?



    I've only played EQ for short periods, because I came into it late and was totally overwhelmed by the amount of content.  The Progression servers seemed like a good chance at a fresh start, a chance to see the world in manageable chunks.



    But, of course, die hard players come in and complete everything as fast as possible.  And in less that two months I felt left behind.
  • MordithMordith Member UncommonPosts: 210
    I played on a progression server after being gone from EQ for a couple of years. It was a ton of fun for the few months I was on the server.



    I agree that the unlocking occurred way too fast.  By the time I was level 28 Luclin was already unlocked and moving forward fast.  Perhaps a new progression server would have a different result because you may not seem the same effort to conquer the various encounters to progress.
  • RecantRecant Member UncommonPosts: 1,586
    If they release another progression server (or similar) I'll be back for sure. 



    I love the old world when it's filled with people.  It just doesn't feel right logging into the game with noone but yourself in the old world, especially in a game as group orientated as EQ.



    And while I do have higher level characters with access to the newer expansions, it's very difficult to get back into EQ once you've quit for a long time (for reasons such as, too much new content to get lost in, everyone has met the new level caps), I just prefer the old world a whole lot more.



    But classic/progression ftw!

    Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...

  • csthaocsthao Member UncommonPosts: 1,123
    i totally agree, old school EQ was so much funner.  Loved the days when you acutally needed to group up to kill raid monsters instead of being able to solo one...A place where old school items still has value and isnt replaced so easily like in the way it is now...brings back the old fun memories of me sitting 3-8 hours in greater faydark at lvl 30 trading endlessly just to grab myself a pair of FBSS and mithril arms and greaves...i would definitely be back if they make another NEW progression server...
  • RobbgobbRobbgobb Member UncommonPosts: 674
    I agree about the time. I was left behind quickly. I think I was barely able to make it to my 20s by the time Velious opened. It was hard to find a guild for my time slot that was not super-agressive. That meant I was not wanted since I wanted a chance to explore the world. I thought it a great idea and hope that it continues to work. I just will not do it again unless I hear of a lock put in place longer than what there was for the first ones. I remember people complaining about how long they had to wait to open up the 1st expansion because had to wait 2 weeks after all the locks except for time had been completed. It did not bother me because I wanted the extra time.
  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490

    They should do an apocalypse server. Just old EQ, Kunark, Velious. After three months an apocalypse happens and the server is reset. That might satisfy old timers, though that may not attract numbers the second time the server is reset.

  • gavvinggavving Member Posts: 51
    I played on progression from it's beta thru currently.  Parts of it were quite fun, but I definately felt like I was getting left behind during the first 3-4 months or so.  They definately should have put announced time limits on the progression to give players a bit more time to experience the depth and long quests that are worth doing.  Many quests never even got touched this time around due to the fact that it wasnt worth spending the time/effort to accomplish them when the item was going to be replaced in a month or less anyway.



    Overall it was a success I think though.  It brought back many subscribers that had long left EQ because they couldnt catch up to the current game after an absense.   And it brought back those that wanted to re-experience the game from the begining again. 
  • healz4uhealz4u Member Posts: 1,065
    I really appreciate this discussion as an EQ vet who has played since the beginning and currently plays mostly on the Combine (I was originally on the Sleeper).





    The progression server was sound overall but encouraged zerg-raiding, which chilled (if not killed) the extraordinary EQ-feel within just a few short months.  I agree with previous posters that there should not have even been a timeline, although the Guild I formed did make a number of small contributions (in addition to helping the top guild open up an expansion in exchange for items and spells we needed).





    I think EQ with a locked, or time-set, progression server would be a great deal of fun; I think they should release this on the same day of the Anniversary edition. 



  • JestorRodoJestorRodo Member UncommonPosts: 2,642

     Progression Servers  = Director's cuts  - muhahahha!

      OMG look who is squeezing the utter of a 10-year-old cash cow with EQ1, SOE.

     The only milk remaining is in the 3rd world countries that have not heard about Pentium 4 yet or the truly poor that the current administration has abandon. The bad news is that these are the same countries and fellow citizen that are now disenfranchised Americans that have not problem in enlisting suicide bombers and those shedding the light of stupidity of those upon them,  

     I love SOE, since they screwed thousands out of their game there is no reward in stepping backwards to EQ1 .The DC universe is their only hope.  (John-boy Smedley knows that his is true because he – Loves that Jestor!)

     

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  • knowomknowom Member UncommonPosts: 195
    I hope after the progression server catches up they release a fabled progression server with like a  25-50% chance of any loot mob being a fabled version of itself. That could be fun and strategic for everyone is my guess.
  • smartkidzsmartkidz Member Posts: 252
    Not trying to insult them or anything but Wow, I can't believe i'm saying this... SOE actually had a good idea with those progression servers. If there's one thing they haven't messed up in my view it's the EQ Series. Without EQ SOE would be nothing.

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    Curt teh Juggler: it was quite possibly the most amazing thing ever.

  • Captain_KirkCaptain_Kirk Member Posts: 1
    Let the bodies hit the floor!  Sullon Zek is god of War!



    Interesting commentary on a new idea.
  • knowomknowom Member UncommonPosts: 195
    After the disappointment WoW ended up being for me personally I miss EQ. It was a far better game to me overall. If Sony did a graphics overhaul and fabled progression server and I'd  be back in a heartbeat.
  • ValaraukValarauk Member Posts: 303

    This sounds like great fun but I'd need a PVP combine server and I doubt that'll happen anytime soon.  I miss you Rallos/Sullon Zek.

     


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  • MyrrdynMyrrdyn Member Posts: 5
    I have start EQ like 6 years ago .. near 7 now .. i still play it. I have started a progression and play him regulary .. just my think about it : Unlock yes but take time to it .. it will be MORE fun to have a server locked for all at start with an unlocking timer or a question UI who ask players  if SOE unlock or not .The biggest part of people playing on the server will choose by their own if its time to unlock or not.



    About the unlocking and people playing:

    Dont underestimate too some high hardcore guild who moved some hours of their timeplay to play on the progressions server. I have seen some .. and its normal servers were crafted for competition .. first who open is a hero .. but in fact , what happened ? Old players have come back to get another time the same sensations they got 8 years ago when as an elve level 10 you entered Lesser Fay and were cackling cause Equestrielle was around and you cant see her .... that was the fear !



    Craft :

    Also i have seen tradeskillers coming in number and work well in crafting and all .. noone have talk about them but they were really helpfull for all players playing in progression .. so another idea .. crafting progression server ?



    As far as i have seen many people were happy for the job done by the guild who won the raid bosses and epics  but were not when it was unlocked so soon .. for my part i prefer a server locked with a long timer witch let people level slowly and get fun with the old EQ.

    Fun with the old EQ .. its why progression were created in first ... nope ?





    Myrr
  • KillerVKillerV Member Posts: 76


    Originally posted by JestorRodo
    Progression Servers = Director's cuts - muhahahha!
    OMG look who is squeezing the utter of a 10-year-old cash cow with EQ1, SOE.
    The only milk remaining is in the 3rd world countries that have not heard about Pentium 4 yet or the truly poor that the current administration has abandon. The bad news is that these are the same countries and fellow citizen that are now disenfranchised Americans that have not problem in enlisting suicide bombers and those shedding the light of stupidity of those upon them,
    I love SOE, since they screwed thousands out of their game there is no reward in stepping backwards to EQ1 .The DC universe is their only hope. (John-boy Smedley knows that his is true because he – Loves that Jestor!)

    Some of us are not graphic whores and actually prefer depth over visuals. EQ is old? Sure. Ugly for today standards? Yes. But it's one of the few MMORPGs that really looks and feels like an actual RPG.
  • kaladekalade Member Posts: 69

    I would absolutely love to see another progression server.. when the first one came out it was during the summer and I just had WAY too much work and everything else going on.. as well as living with a friend that didn't play MMO's.. it never really gave me time to play.  About the first week or so i got in quite a bit of time and it was rather fun.. but than i got so far behind and everything that i lost the joy of it.  It would be great if they did another one.. but perhaps added limits to when the next expansion woudl open and maybe not 6 months, but atleast a few months between expansion.. it would allow the non hardcore to atleast get closer to max level and truly enjoy all the content before the new servers fly open.  Either way if they just do it exactly the same or give more time, I really hope they do it again, because I would certainly make time to join in.. seeing the old world so ridiculously populated.. it was amazing.

     

    Kalade

  • JustFinchJustFinch Member Posts: 113
    Originally posted by kalade


    I would absolutely love to see another progression server.. when the first one came out it was during the summer and I just had WAY too much work and everything else going on.. as well as living with a friend that didn't play MMO's.. it never really gave me time to play.  About the first week or so i got in quite a bit of time and it was rather fun.. but than i got so far behind and everything that i lost the joy of it.  It would be great if they did another one.. but perhaps added limits to when the next expansion woudl open and maybe not 6 months, but atleast a few months between expansion.. it would allow the non hardcore to atleast get closer to max level and truly enjoy all the content before the new servers fly open.  Either way if they just do it exactly the same or give more time, I really hope they do it again, because I would certainly make time to join in.. seeing the old world so ridiculously populated.. it was amazing.
     
    Kalade



    SOE lost money when they released two new servers for progession. Therefore, there probably won't be another progression server going on. Eventually, when the expansions catch up, they'll just remove it entirely and move players/guilds to other live servers....

  • brostynbrostyn Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,092
    Progression servers were great until PoP. Then they became empty like all the others.
  • miticmitic Member Posts: 16
    i started eq in 1999 and left sometime after pop release...came back to combine (progression server) and left some weeks after pop unlocked.....for me, sullon zek was the best pvp experience i ever had in the last decade of my life...progression was great...pvp progression will be just better



    the downfall just started after Brad McQuaid left soe years ago



    so bottom line....if they open a brand new server pvp or pve count me and those shiploads of other ppl who left in



    oldschool eq players hate instanced everraid..give us back everquest!
  • SurgiteSurgite Member Posts: 1

    Alright, I like many others, came back after hearing they were finally going to do a server that only had normal EQ to start

    I had feedbacked this idea for about 2 years straight, almost everyday, until about 9 months before they launched it

    It had seemed my idea of a perfect rendition of old EQ would come back, and I would enjoy having that feeling of EQ again(if you played early years, you know what it is)

    But they did not set the servers on timers, as I had suggested

    I had fedback that they should just run it like EQ had been, and released expansions after the same amount of time they normally were released

    But, they just made it a complete zerg-rush server and "accidently" released the line of events for progressing through everyhting

    Before the server had started, everyone already was set up to rush

    Then even worse, Sony didn't fully remake old-EQ and left stuff in that wasn't supposed to

    So, everyone used it to their advantage by getting items that were not supposed to exist

    which made me realise that all the "top" people didnh't care for the experience of old-EQ enough not to ruin it by going honor system and not using things that weren't supposed to exist, but farming it for lots of pp and ruining the server pre-kunark

    I wasn't as mad on the players as I was for SoE's complete lack of care on the situations

    They made it very obvious that they meant to do this only for the money of people like me returning for the hype of the server than for the actual experience we were trying to obtain by playing again

    ever since SoE took over EQ, the game has pretty much been crap, I still play, because I love hanging out with people that I have known since the start, and they make my life alot more enjoyable

    this past year was full of dissapointments, with Vanguard being a WoW-ripoff and prog servers being rushed to quick in EQ....

    if they make a Old server, then I will jump on that faster than a barrel full of gold,  but until that happens, I will try to get to 75 with my ranger

    Omnivas-61 Ranger-Druzzil Ro(Xev) server

     

    PS: To all those people from Sleeper, you know who you are, SULLON XEK IS NOT GOD OF WAR

  • SenanSenan Member UncommonPosts: 788
    Originally posted by JustFinch

    Originally posted by kalade


    I would absolutely love to see another progression server.. when the first one came out it was during the summer and I just had WAY too much work and everything else going on.. as well as living with a friend that didn't play MMO's.. it never really gave me time to play.  About the first week or so i got in quite a bit of time and it was rather fun.. but than i got so far behind and everything that i lost the joy of it.  It would be great if they did another one.. but perhaps added limits to when the next expansion woudl open and maybe not 6 months, but atleast a few months between expansion.. it would allow the non hardcore to atleast get closer to max level and truly enjoy all the content before the new servers fly open.  Either way if they just do it exactly the same or give more time, I really hope they do it again, because I would certainly make time to join in.. seeing the old world so ridiculously populated.. it was amazing.
     
    Kalade



    SOE lost money when they released two new servers for progession. Therefore, there probably won't be another progression server going on. Eventually, when the expansions catch up, they'll just remove it entirely and move players/guilds to other live servers....

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    Not to sound rude, but if you don't work for SOE or have some outside information regarding the subject, I fail to see how you could know that SOE lost money from these servers. From what I had heard, they were very successful and I think opening up a new one would be a great idea. Although, putting a longer timelock on the expansions would be better imo.

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  • W@rlockW@rlock Member UncommonPosts: 29

    So if there is going to be another ''Similiar Server'' will it be coming out after they reach all exspansions ?

    Me myself i joined everquest again to give it a try, but was not worth it due to not joining early enough.

    i didnt join till like LoY was out.

    So if they come out with another IM COMING BACK AT THE START lol. . .

    I started playing EQ when i was 10 or 11 (Pre-Kunark) and loved the game.  But others came out i tried them and before i knew it there were hardly ANYONE in the old world zones.

    It would be awsome to start on a new server from the start hehe. . .

    But if they do i think they should put ALL items that were originaly in the game.  I mean like the mana orb thing from the evil eye in lower guk.  It would be awsome to go after item that were ''Originaly in the Game'' instead of the items that were added or in some cases not added right ?

    EverQuest For The Win ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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