Strangethorn Vale has all the worst aspects of WoW

Mors.Magne · April 2007

I gave up WoW because of Stanglethorn Vale. Additional level 32 - 42 content is needed. SV sucks because:

1) Repetitive hunting quests.

2) Repetitive troll killing - the useless troll sweat just adds insult to injury.

3) If you are Alliance, there is lots of repetitive travelling - SV is a big place!

4) If you get ganked occasionally, it's a nice change in SV! However, if you get ganked more often...

5) The alternative is Desolice - need I say more?!

SV is so repetitive it's here you realise for the first time the big limitation of WoW: the 'artificial intelligence'. There is little or no variation in the AI throughout the whole game. SV is where the seed of giving up WoW is planted.

MaeEye · April 2007

have fun in space. I heard that everything in EvE looks the same. That's gotta be interesting.

Volkmar · April 2007

30-40 areas:

Stranglethorn Vale

Desolace

Arathi Higlands

Alterac Mountains

35+ areas:

Badlands

Dustwallow marshes

Swamps of sorrow

Wow. 7 areas. yep, STV is the ONLY choice!!! *rolls eyes*

retrospectic · April 2007

Originally posted by Jack_Target

I gave up WoW because of Stanglethorn Vale. Additional level 32 - 42 content is needed. SV sucks because:
1) Repetitive hunting quests.
2) Repetitive troll killing - the useless troll sweat just adds insult to injury.
3) If you are Alliance, there is lots of repetitive travelling - SV is a big place!
4) If you get ganked occasionally, it's a nice change in SV! However, if you get ganked more often...
5) The alternative is Desolice - need I say more?!
SV is so repetitive it's here you realise for the first time the big limitation of WoW: the 'artificial intelligence'. There is little or no variation in the AI throughout the whole game. SV is where the seed of giving up WoW is planted.

Your problem is two fold.

1. You are playing Alliance.

2. You are spending 10 levels in 1 zone.

Perhaps roll a Hordie and trying exploring more than one zone. I know for a fact that a lot of Alliance take the same boring path as you did. I /wave at them as I whoosh past them. I level about three times the speed as they do.

indyne · April 2007

I agree. STV does suck, but like mentioned above, there ARE other places to go. Really though, the fastest way for you to level is to do STV. You can go to the other zones but on sheer volume of content alone you typically don't want to pass up STV. I always thought about it as a milestone. Once you get done with STV hell, you are golden. Don't sit down and grind away at STV for hours. Mix it up a little. Go somewhere else and come back. No one says you have to go to STV and stay there for levels upon levels. I have never played Alliance so, maybe you have some points there...I dunno. I know you have to run a lot but hey, you're Alliance. You deserve it.

Klatu · April 2007

Sure the quests are repetitive and you often travel back and forth, but a lot of zones are like that. Whether you like that or not is up to you. What i liked about stv is that more or less everyone is doing the same quests so its usually not hard to find a group. Though I haven't played wow in quite some time I remember some of the best world pvp used to take place here. Getting ganked is part of the game, especially in this zone, but when it happens call in some of your guild and chances are the other side will do the same and have yourself a battle. If none of this appeals to you there are other zones besides desolace with content around the same level, as someone above posted. Enjoy

Gameloading · April 2007

Originally posted by Jack_Target

I gave up WoW because of Stanglethorn Vale. Additional level 32 - 42 content is needed. SV sucks because:
1) Repetitive hunting quests.
2) Repetitive troll killing - the useless troll sweat just adds insult to injury.
3) If you are Alliance, there is lots of repetitive travelling - SV is a big place!
4) If you get ganked occasionally, it's a nice change in SV! However, if you get ganked more often...
5) The alternative is Desolice - need I say more?!
SV is so repetitive it's here you realise for the first time the big limitation of WoW: the 'artificial intelligence'. There is little or no variation in the AI throughout the whole game. SV is where the seed of giving up WoW is planted.

Thats odd, I have leveled plenty of characters beyond that level, and I NEVER went to STV.

Antipathy · April 2007

A few points to add:

Firstly, this is a blatant troll from someone who probably gave up months ago and has just come back because he got out of bed on the wrong side this morning and feels like venting. I clearly remember this is the same guy who came here spamming lots of pro-EvE rubbish a week or two back. 'Fraid you lost your credibility back then.

Secondly, if you play on a PvP server you really shouldn't go to STV at level 32 as the OP says. At that level you are just a free HK. There are plenty of other places to level up. Come back when you are 35+. Other anti-ganking advice is to adventure in groups, and avoid the roads (which will be dominated by 40+ mounted people).

Thirdly, I actually agree that a flight point would make sense in the rebel camp. The Horde has two flight points in STV, and the alliance has further to travel. As it is I can remember having to swim adsurdly long distances to avoid the regular ganking outside of Booty Bay.

Mors.Magne · April 2007

Originally posted by Antipathy

A few points to add:

Firstly, this is a blatant troll from someone who probably gave up months ago and has just come back because he got out of bed on the wrong side this morning and feels like venting. I clearly remember this is the same guy who came here spamming lots of pro-EvE rubbish a week or two back. 'Fraid you lost your credibility back then.

Secondly, if you play on a PvP server you really shouldn't go to STV at level 32 as the OP says. At that level you are just a free HK. There are plenty of other places to level up. Come back when you are 35+. Other anti-ganking advice is to adventure in groups, and avoid the roads (which will be dominated by 40+ mounted people).

Thirdly, I actually agree that a flight point would make sense in the rebel camp. The Horde has two flight points in STV, and the alliance has further to travel. As it is I can remember having to swim adsurdly long distances to avoid the regular ganking outside of Booty Bay.

Everyone else here has thought of some very fair comments. However, this suggestion of yours is wrong and just nasty: "this is a blatant troll from someone who probably gave up months ago and has just come back because he got out of bed on the wrong side this morning and feels like venting. I clearly remember this is the same guy who came here spamming lots of pro-EvE rubbish a week or two back. 'Fraid you lost your credibility back then."

A 'credibility gap' means I'm a liar, which I am not. In case you need to look it up, the definition of 'credibility' is given in the link below. Please use a different way to express yourself. Calling me a liar is incorrect and aggressive. If you're in the habit of using this form of words it's a sure way to create ememies. Your other points are good, but it's tempting to not read past your first paragraph, which would be a pity.

http://www.allwords.com/query.php?SearchType=0&Keyword=credibility&Language=ENG&NLD=1&FRA=1&DEU=1&ITA=1&ESP=1

Antipathy · April 2007

Could you refrain from using super-large text? It comes across as shouting and makes me wonder whether you have insecurity issues - a suggestion that is further reinforced by your histrionics.

Could you also not put phrases in other peoples mouths. Nowhere did I use the term "credibility gap". If what I actually said wasn't enough to get worked up about then I'd suggest you should remain calm.

I did use the term "credible". The way I used this appears as the second definition given by dictionary.com "2.worthy of belief or confidence; trustworthy: a credible witness." An example of a person lacking credibility is someone who claims to have witnessed a robbery whilst they themselves were heavily drunk. They may not be lying - they may 100% believe what they are saying - they may even be correct - but their word will not stand up in court. Btw - before you get all shoutey again I'm not accusing you of being drunk, merely of being a troll.

There are too many trolls here - even more than in STV.

P.S. If you find STV repetitive then maybe MMOs are not for you. Most MMOs include an element of repetition (aka grind) and there are many worse examples than STV! The reason the place is so crowded is that many players quite like it, and find it the most enjoyable zone for levels 35-42.

Maddiee · April 2007

Lol IMO STV was and stil is the best place wow created

The quests were ok and the world pvp and ganking there was great, trully a great.

LordFarid · April 2007

Out of old Azeroth(so not counting the expansion zones) STV is definatly the best warcraft zone. I'm on a PVP server and the world PVP in STV is great and if anything sets an example. Aside from that there is the enourmous amount of quests to do, the Arena where you can have fun FFA PVP every 3 hours and the STV fishing event every sunday.

The greatest thing however is when groups of Alliance and Horde are chasing and ganking each other, fighting over the camp and other hotspots.

Whenever i level an alt, i always go to STV, and while desolace is boring, its not that boring and yet everyone goes to level in STV and not desolace so there must be something right with STV.

Ithuriel · April 2007

I despised STV when I first went there too. Yeah, an ally pally had a rough go of it the first few times I tried questing. But once you learn to avoid traveling by road and not hanging around Nesingwary's camp for too long, it did turn into quite a good place to level.

Unknown · April 2007

There is a reason its called Gankletorn Vale. Anyway I kinda like the zone. There was always pesky little one to PvP with, even so its was a bit unfair (Lvl 60+ character Vs. 30+). But hey, its legal and pretty fun to gank them multiply times like 10-15 times in a row.

Kyleran · April 2007

I understand where the OP is coming from to an extent...as an Alliance player you do feel like you spend a huge portion of your life either running back up to the Rebel Camp/Nestinways, or back down again to Booty Bay. My first 60 was a Paladin, so the travel time seemed quite onerous to me.

But like others said..I learned not to travel the roads, groups up quests the best I could, and when I leveled later 60's things went a lot smoother and I grew to enjoy the zone.

Also as others have said... you don't level from 30-50 in STV all at one time, you stop in..do the quests near your level..then step out to Desolace, Shimmering flats and other zones and work some quests there.

Once you get the level 40 mount STV become a whole lot easier, so make sure you have the cash for that right off the bat...

Or roll a Druid with their swell Cat form and 30% bonus to travel speed. Mages weren't too bad either.... you could blink your way down the roads to speed things up...and sheep agressive enemies and slip away.... even my Priest was decent..sure, no run speed buffs but a quick fear took care of unwanted attackers...

Mors.Magne · April 2007

Originally posted by Antipathy

Could you refrain from using super-large text? It comes across as shouting and makes me wonder whether you have insecurity issues - a suggestion that is further reinforced by your histrionics. I like using medium font Times New Roman because I can easily read it. That's all there is to it. Occasionally, I do feel insecure but I'm normally a very secure person. In my experience most people feel this way.

Could you also not put phrases in other peoples mouths. Nowhere did I use the term "credibility gap". If what I actually said wasn't enough to get worked up about then I'd suggest you should remain calm.

I did use the term "credible". The way I used this appears as the second definition given by dictionary.com "2.worthy of belief or confidence; trustworthy: a credible witness." An example of a person lacking credibility is someone who claims to have witnessed a robbery whilst they themselves were heavily drunk. They may not be lying - they may 100% believe what they are saying - they may even be correct - but their word will not stand up in court. Btw - before you get all shoutey again I'm not accusing you of being drunk, merely of being a troll. I'm not a troll. I'm not even a drunk, lying, histrionic, or hallucinating troll!

There are too many trolls here - even more than in STV. There are very positive and helpful suggestions on this thread I am very persauded by. Therefore, I'm not a troll.

P.S. If you find STV repetitive then maybe MMOs are not for you. Most MMOs include an element of repetition (aka grind) and there are many worse examples than STV! The reason the place is so crowded is that many players quite like it, and find it the most enjoyable zone for levels 35-42. MMOs are definitely for me, but the rest of your comment is fair enough.

retrospectic · April 2007

Originally posted by Jack_Target

Originally posted by Antipathy

Could you refrain from using super-large text? It comes across as shouting and makes me wonder whether you have insecurity issues - a suggestion that is further reinforced by your histrionics. I like using medium font Times New Roman because I can easily read it. That's all there is to it. Occasionally, I do feel insecure but I'm normally a very secure person. In my experience most people feel this way.

Could you also not put phrases in other peoples mouths. Nowhere did I use the term "credibility gap". If what I actually said wasn't enough to get worked up about then I'd suggest you should remain calm.

I did use the term "credible". The way I used this appears as the second definition given by dictionary.com "2.worthy of belief or confidence; trustworthy: a credible witness." An example of a person lacking credibility is someone who claims to have witnessed a robbery whilst they themselves were heavily drunk. They may not be lying - they may 100% believe what they are saying - they may even be correct - but their word will not stand up in court. Btw - before you get all shoutey again I'm not accusing you of being drunk, merely of being a troll. I'm not a troll. I'm not even a drunk, lying, histrionic, or hallucinating troll!

There are too many trolls here - even more than in STV. There are very positive and helpful suggestions on this thread I am very persauded by. Therefore, I'm not a troll.

P.S. If you find STV repetitive then maybe MMOs are not for you. Most MMOs include an element of repetition (aka grind) and there are many worse examples than STV! The reason the place is so crowded is that many players quite like it, and find it the most enjoyable zone for levels 35-42. MMOs are definitely for me, but the rest of your comment is fair enough.

The bottom line seems to be your inability to adapt to the situation of grinds. Every other MMO on the market has some sort of grind that establishes your rank/level/skills. Like other MMOs, World of Warcraft offers various zones for leveling from 1 - 70. If you fail to ask general chat/guild members/forums you fail.

The other comments made on this thread offer you many solutions to a problem you solved by quitting. Every other game is going to have a "dull" area where questing, levelings, or tradeskills become harder and the grind seems uphill.

What will you do then? I hope you check the EvE online content message boards, fansites, and chats before you quit and give a biased rant on their board.

Mors.Magne · April 2007

Originally posted by retrospectic

Originally posted by Jack_Target

Originally posted by Antipathy

Could you refrain from using super-large text? It comes across as shouting and makes me wonder whether you have insecurity issues - a suggestion that is further reinforced by your histrionics. I like using medium font Times New Roman because I can easily read it. That's all there is to it. Occasionally, I do feel insecure but I'm normally a very secure person. In my experience most people feel this way.

Could you also not put phrases in other peoples mouths. Nowhere did I use the term "credibility gap". If what I actually said wasn't enough to get worked up about then I'd suggest you should remain calm.

I did use the term "credible". The way I used this appears as the second definition given by dictionary.com "2.worthy of belief or confidence; trustworthy: a credible witness." An example of a person lacking credibility is someone who claims to have witnessed a robbery whilst they themselves were heavily drunk. They may not be lying - they may 100% believe what they are saying - they may even be correct - but their word will not stand up in court. Btw - before you get all shoutey again I'm not accusing you of being drunk, merely of being a troll. I'm not a troll. I'm not even a drunk, lying, histrionic, or hallucinating troll!

There are too many trolls here - even more than in STV. There are very positive and helpful suggestions on this thread I am very persauded by. Therefore, I'm not a troll.

P.S. If you find STV repetitive then maybe MMOs are not for you. Most MMOs include an element of repetition (aka grind) and there are many worse examples than STV! The reason the place is so crowded is that many players quite like it, and find it the most enjoyable zone for levels 35-42. MMOs are definitely for me, but the rest of your comment is fair enough.

The bottom line seems to be your inability to adapt to the situation of grinds. Every other MMO on the market has some sort of grind that establishes your rank/level/skills. Like other MMOs, World of Warcraft offers various zones for leveling from 1 - 70. If you fail to ask general chat/guild members/forums you fail.

The other comments made on this thread offer you many solutions to a problem you solved by quitting. Every other game is going to have a "dull" area where questing, levelings, or tradeskills become harder and the grind seems uphill.

What will you do then? I hope you check the EvE online content message boards, fansites, and chats before you quit and give a biased rant on their board.

It depends what is ment by the word 'grind'. I think we would both agree it involves repeating an action of some kind. If I enjoy repeating an action, that's alright - that's a good grind. The problem arises when I no longer enjoy it and there is no alternative - that's a bad grind and I would be tempted to quit the game.

Some people probably associate the word 'grind' with 'delayed gratification'. In other words, "if I repeat this boring action now, it will pay off later." Everyone may have their own opinion on this. In my opinion, I'm not sure if delayed gratification has a place in computer games. Delayed gratification has a place with studying or exams, but does it have a place in a computer game where you should be enjoying yourself?

If you find yourself compelled to repeat an action you don't enjoy in a game, some people might say this is an addiction. However, maybe the word 'escapism' is more accurate? To put it another way, by repeating an action they no longer enjoy in a game, they are avoiding unplesant activity(ies) in their lives which they secretly feel needs attention?

I am very interested in your opinion of my views!

kruch · April 2007

hmm My hunter and druid loved STV. I guess I just like killing trolls ,goblins, and blood sails

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