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Nitsu62
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Hi, I play VG.
Do I like Vanguard ? Yes I do.
Does VG have problems? Yes i Does
Well I think VG starts off real strong, if you have a good computer, You will love the graphics (not the animations har har). Looking off of large mountains at the landscape below is really cool. But after that the game is sorta slow and boreing once all that excitement leaves you. the game is really boreing if you are alone between the levels of right around 10-15 maybe? The best thing to do is find a group and just have fun with it. VG is not fun at all if you are not in a group.. just not exciting. blah blah. I however do like the game, and once you find a good group and get into a guild with poeple to play with and talk to during the slump... it really becomes fun. Combat, once you get to the mid level is really fun (in groups! solo is kinda lame and boring... not to mention tough!) I havn't done diplomacy or crafting much but from other reviews, as you may have read diplomacy is really popular.
Stability= ok, servers actually run pretty good.
Performance = if you don't have the machine the game is lacking in this department, this is one of the biggest drawbacks of the game... half the poeple that would play can't play...
community = lacking, yes there are great players, one problem is population... the players coming in is almost not there (from what i've seen) and alot of the starting areas are bare (depends on your race/ starting area) some places are way more crowded than others... but most players playing are past these areas.
Content = lacking... yeah its new... yeah there is nothing to do.. LoL .. not ture but it does need more, but we knew this would happen.. large world... large gap between content.. easily fixed though over time.
Potential = HUGE! I believe VG has the most potential of any MMO out there... How much potential will turn up in-game? who knows, but it has a ton and i know most everyone will agree with me here.
Final Verdict- WAIT-- if you want a bugless game with alot to do and a stronger community... WAIT atleast 6 months see what VG does.. if may flop, or it may do a 360. only time will tell.
Current MMO of interest: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
MMO background: EQ, UO, AO, SWG, PS, EQ2, L2,EQoA, WoW, WWIIO, and AC2
Comments
I have a question too; do the characters still wear their swords so the hilt is in their armpits? You know what I mean, the way they have their swords sheathed used to be almost comical and the developers would never post about it. I haven't played since last day of beta so I was just wondering.
see the problem is these days with so many MMOs on the market and so many more in development you can't release a crappy product anymore and hope to "fix" it over the coming months. You may be right that Vanguard may be "playable" in 6 months. I just highly doubt that given the current player base and the upcoming monster releases of LotR, WAR and AoC that Vanguard will live to see the day when people consider it a game worth playing.
Well VG i think is a good game. I've played a ton of MMORPGs and several from their beginnings. When i read other people's thougths about all the bugs and such ... I just think to all the others and i havn't known an MMO to not have the same bugs. I know i hate comparing it to WoW but WoW had a ton of bugs and even worse, it had alot of server lag which isn't there in VG.
But to be fair, VG does need to improve over what it is now.... I know they are working on game fixes now or the so called game killing bugs... but once those are addressed i believe animations need a huge revamp. as well as a few character models... such as the heads of the Kurashasa. (seriously, with the graphic power of the game this character model is way behind in looks).
VG does need alot of work, and in almost every catagory. I can understand the reason for releasing early and such which is why i recommended waiting on it... Sad thing is they had to release it earlier than they wanted and they do need support from fans, as that is what drives it... but i'm being honost, if you want a good game right away that has no problems go somewhere else, but if you see the potential and like the concepts laid out for you (this game isn't for everyone) then sign up and enjoy it and help the dev team reach the great potential it has.
I'm not to sure about the sword sheath thing lol. I havn't noticed that.... when i'm playing i press "z" ( I believe) which makes your character hold their weapon in their hands instead of having them sheathed when just wandering around. But yes the animations and a few character models do need some work. I also believe in a bigger variety of hair styles.. altough I believe this isnt what needs to be addressed first.
Current MMO of interest: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
MMO background: EQ, UO, AO, SWG, PS, EQ2, L2,EQoA, WoW, WWIIO, and AC2
LOTRO has nothing new. The only thing they have a "polished" game. Replay value = 0.
WAR is going for the WOW player base. Don't expect anything deep in WAR. Sure, it will be fun... but don't expect all the gore and twisted humor that WAR is supposed to be. EA is going for an E ratings.
as for AoC well... i'm going to try the beta.
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between 20-60 fps. It's not on full on details, it's balanced and tweaked to my taste.
Sure, if you have a 4 years old computer that barely plays WoW (looking at the floor when raiding), you will not be able to play VG. Does not take a degree to get that.
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for the rest of it, you can really say that about any and every game out there. look at cox. look at the vast variety of missions and content available in that game NOW, as compared to when coh was first released.
how many of you played it and hung out and waited and waited for "potential" to be realized? what exactly did that get you?
i'm still trying and playing as if the lag and fatal errors don't happen. but, the lack of official support/information from sigil/soe and the half-assed way so much seems in the game is making it incredibly hard to love this game.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I assume your definition of "playable" is that the game actually starts. If that's your definition, then yeah it's playable.
That definition changes from person to person though. One person might find it unplayable because of client hitching, another because of memory leaks and crashing to desktop. One might actually meet the minimum system requirements, yet find the game runs like crap and find it unplayable. Another person might be far beyond the recommended system requirements and feel the game runs like crap and is unplayable. There's also new issues like low population, folks running into absent raid content end-game, etc. etc.
in general, even Sigil speaks of months from now, if not years more so than they do the present. Thus the whole idea that Vanguard isn't "playable" as is when countless issues can only be rectified by time.
By your definition, I'm sure Vanguard has nothing new either. If you attribute "polish" to LOTRO, then that's one reason enough to play one game over another when both have "nothing new".
Lotsa baseless subjective stuff there. For a person who so vehemently defends SOE's inability to manipulate Vanguard, you sure did jump pass the whole clause of Games Workshop having final say over everything put into WAR.
As for that E rating deal, the game will be of T rating as already quoted.
Good. No need to fear things that aren't Vanguard. Do yourself a favor and be more open-minded towards the previous two games you bashed as well. Or at least educate yourself properly before feeling hate towards them.
I assume your definition of "playable" is that the game actually starts. If that's your definition, then yeah it's playable.
That definition changes from person to person though. One person might find it unplayable because of client hitching, another because of memory leaks and crashing to desktop. One might actually meet the minimum system requirements, yet find the game runs like crap and find it unplayable. Another person might be far beyond the recommended system requirements and feel the game runs like crap and is unplayable. There's also new issues like low population, folks running into absent raid content end-game, etc. etc.
in general, even Sigil speaks of months from now, if not years more so than they do the present. Thus the whole idea that Vanguard isn't "playable" as is when countless issues can only be rectified by time.
My definition of playable is the following:
-I can get in game, have fun with guildies and play for a couple hours a day.
Haters definition:
-the smallest glitch makes the game unplayable. If you feet are clipping with a rock, it's unplayable. Sure, i go really far on this one, but some are actually thinking that way.
All the stuff you listed is from a hater POV. Yes, the game does have performance issues on 2 years + hardware and on the newest... i'm not denying that. You guys are using "unplayable" really loosely i must say.
By your definition, I'm sure Vanguard has nothing new either. If you attribute "polish" to LOTRO, then that's one reason enough to play one game over another when both have "nothing new".
You are correct. VG have nothing new. It's just a compilation of stuff i like to do in games. Grouping, housing, crafting, mounts, huge ass world and cool combat system, pvp.... LOTRO is just an interesting IP. Why would i select a "polished" game over a game that includes all the stuff i like from an MMO and that i currently enjoy? I tried LOTRO... it's an ok game.
Lotsa baseless subjective stuff there. For a person who so vehemently defends SOE's inability to manipulate Vanguard, you sure did jump pass the whole clause of Games Workshop having final say over everything put into WAR.
As for that E rating deal, the game will be of T rating as already quoted.
I'm no SOE fan... i played SWG. Don't underestimate EA. On www.warhammeronline.com the game is still RP.
Good. No need to fear things that aren't Vanguard. Do yourself a favor and be more open-minded towards the previous two games you bashed as well. Or at least educate yourself properly before feeling hate towards them.
You are something... You are picturing me as a hater. You see me goes in other forum bashing games? No. Since beta testing UO in beta 3, i probably played all the MMOs to a certain degree. I will try WAR and AoC and all of the upcomming. Why would i skip a change to play a free game for a while? Please, tell me where i'm hating other games. As for educating myself, thanks for the tip. I learned a while ago that if you know too much about a game, you hate it. VG is the game i am currently playing. That does not mean i will not play something else in a year. I'm not close minded as you seems to picture me.
Oh, and the burning question. "Why are you in here instead of playing?!11!!" Well, i'm crafting... sometimes, i take brakes.
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You're fortunate though to still have an active guild. And I agree with you that some people blow what's "unplayable" out of proportion, but there's still plenty of valid reasons people could and do find Vanguard "unplayable".
Perfectly good reasons to like Vanguard over LOTRO, and a few I can even agree with (I'm a housing fan). Thanks for elaborating on that, and for saying LOTRO was at least ok.
If you believe Brad/Sigil has final say-so over Vanguard, then you should believe Games Workshop/Mythic have final say-so over Warhammer. Both parties have said that they do, both parties are still publishing their game through companies considered evil tyrants of sort.
Still, for the sake of avoiding hypocrisy, either harbor all SOE suspicions along with declaring your EA paranoias, or don't engage in either. I'd advise the latter.
As for the Ratings Pending, how does that back up your E for Everyone claim?
An entry in Paul's Video Blog can at least be cited as a source of Mythic mentioning the game will be rated T (for Tough).
There's also a podcast interview from the most recent GDC in-which Mark Jacobs mentions that WAR will be a T rated game. You can go listen to that as well or otherwise find instances where the games intended rating is mentioned...but it's probably easier to just believe Warhammer Online isn't going to be rated E.
Antagonism and aversion counts as "hate" to me. And why would bashing LOTRO in the LOTRO forum or WAR in the WAR forum be worse than bashing them in a Vanguard forum? You might as well, it's what those forums are for partly.
You dismissed LOTRO as a game of zero replayability without having played through it once. Sorry, but baseless assumptions come off as "hate" to me. Saying WAR will be rated E because of some decision by EA is hateful as well, especially in the presence of facts that're contrary to what you say. Would you say you were attempting to be flattering towards the games? I may have mis-read you.
Seems you've changed your tune now though. Maybe I'll see you around in the betas.
No sneaking suspicions here as to why folks choose to post on these boards. Send my new Warrior a weapon on Florendyl if you're there.
You're fortunate though to still have an active guild. And I agree with you that some people blow what's "unplayable" out of proportion, but there's still plenty of valid reasons people could and do find Vanguard "unplayable".
I'm happy that i made sure i could run the game in beta... Same for my guildies. Guess we were intelligent enough to tweak and upgrade some parts during that area. Beleive it or not, i was playing with a P4 2.5 1go and a X1300 512agp in beta and i was able to play.
I don't run the same stuff now, but it's because i'm a PC Gamer. I like to try new stuff... and i wanted to upgrade for vista (still not running it... waiting...)
Yes, low population seems to be a problem. But most of the time, my /who will show more then 20 players in chunks.
Perfectly good reasons to like Vanguard over LOTRO, and a few I can even agree with (I'm a housing fan). Thanks for elaborating on that, and for saying LOTRO was at least ok.
LOTRO is an ok game. As VG is for some. Depends on what you like. When i say LOTRO has 0 replayability, it's not hate, it's a feeling i have. Since there is only 2 starting points (what i read), i can see why people would say that.
If you believe Brad/Sigil has final say-so over Vanguard, then you should believe Games Workshop/Mythic have final say-so over Warhammer. Both parties have said that they do, both parties are still publishing their game through companies considered evil tyrants of sort.
Still, for the sake of avoiding hypocrisy, either harbor all SOE suspicions along with declaring your EA paranoias, or don't engage in either. I'd advise the latter.
As for the Ratings Pending, how does that back up your E for Everyone claim?
An entry in Paul's Video Blog can at least be cited as a source of Mythic mentioning the game will be rated T (for Tough).
There's also a podcast interview from the most recent GDC in-which Mark Jacobs mentions that WAR will be a T rated game. You can go listen to that as well or otherwise find instances where the games intended rating is mentioned...but it's probably easier to just believe Warhammer Online isn't going to be rated E.
I'm personally indifferent about PR... I know for a fact that it's only PR and nothing set in stone. People whined so much about VG faq when it was explicitly written there that what you read is subject to change. Same goes for other compagnies. Compagnies are what they are. They are in there for the money. They will do whatever they can to make a buck and that also applies to Brad/Sigil. Sigil already did something considered "evil" they released the game when it could have stayed in beta for a couple xtra months to nail a more bugs.
Antagonism and aversion counts as "hate" to me. And why would bashing LOTRO in the LOTRO forum or WAR in the WAR forum be worse than bashing them in a Vanguard forum? You might as well, it's what those forums are for partly.
You are using the term bashing loosely here....
You dismissed LOTRO as a game of zero replayability without having played through it once. Sorry, but baseless assumptions come off as "hate" to me. Saying WAR will be rated E because of some decision by EA is hateful as well, especially in the presence of facts that're contrary to what you say. Would you say you were attempting to be flattering towards the games? I may have mis-read you.
Seems you've changed your tune now though. Maybe I'll see you around in the betas.
Having zero replayability is not hate towards a game. I played it in beta a couple months ago (around december) and it was ok. Everything i saw in there was stuff that works in other MMOs. It's all a matter of IP at this point, to me. The game can be extremly good and still has 0 replayability. See my comment earlier in my reply. I fail to see how saying a game might end up being E is hate. I own a Wii FYI... so don't see that as hate... It's just a comment... I'm not saying it's not gonna be T... i'm just saying that EA, usually, aim for E games. Nothing bad there.
No sneaking suspicions here as to why folks choose to post on these boards. Send my new Warrior a weapon on Florendyl if you're there.
I play on Varking, sorry.... come play in there, if you dare
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Well, in all fairness, he isn't far off on the replayability factor of LotRO as it stands right now. Given the small(er) number of classes, and fairly small amount of content currently available, much like WoW, you're gonna be running the same quests pretty much each time through(not including TBC). Where as in VG, with the large number of races/classes, and the almost ridiculously huge world, you could probably roll up at least a couple characters without repeating much content, assuming you're not min maxing.
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There's that podcast interview I mentioned of Mark Jacob's, Mythic's head and Warhammer Online's lead designer. He rants about why they aren't aiming for an M rating and why they're going for a T rating.
Because you know an E rated Warhammer would be disastrous. So assuming such and deciding to share it with others is no different than saying EA would ruin the game in many other kind of ways. Except it'd be pretty difficult to think of something worse than an E rated Warhammer.
As for EA aiming for E rated games; their first MMO, and widely considered first MMO period, Ultima Online released with an M rating originally. It was re-rated T later on...a far cry from "E". Heck, here's there been an MMO published since where one could decorate the ramparts of their tower with other players' heads and limbs?
The closest thing to making credible your suspicion about EA is Probst's former stance against M-Rated games from a long time ago, which has jack with the norm of T-rated MMOs.
Sorry, I just don't get your angle on that at all. Could it be because Madden is E-rated? I'm sure they would've allowed it to be rated T if there was a need for swords and sorcery, but something like that is just football.
I have two characters on Varking actually, but haven't played there in awhile due to how empty it was when I logged in last. PM me your character names.
OMG....It's DNL all over again.
Potential here, potential there, POTENTIAL I TELL YOU!
Potential does not a good game make.
Nor is it the assurance that it will be good someday.
While I do not know alot about DnL... I dont think I would put Vanguard int he same boat. To me it is more like EQ when i started. My computer could not run the game perfectly and I got bugs here and there. But it was the world and the dungeons and exploration that kept me there and the same can be said for Vanguard.
One thing it has is loads of content (atleast for arond 30 and below which i have seen). More dungeons (and actualy cool dungeons) than any mmo i have played for this point in the game and loads of quests (lots whicfh are boring and repetitive like any MMO, but also a fair share that are quite fun). If you have a computer that can play the game there is alot there... it lacks polish.. but isnt a comlete disaster.
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As far as content goes. I played to 50 and there was no content past around level 35. I actually had to go back to CiS after i'd out leveled it to do the weapon quest. So big deal right? I was ahead of the curve and we were all aware they had to release early. Unless you weren't. Anyway so i rolled an alt. At around level 44 i was doing a recently itemized and polished dungeon. I spent quite a bit of time with my group trying to do this ring quest which seemed to be the whole point behind the dungeon. Besides a few XP quest. I dug up the entire dungeon, left no rock unturned, and ultimately decided along with my group that the quest was not completely implemented and was unfinishable.
So i quit.
No biggy, i'll move on.
That last one was what upset me the most. I had come across the problem before. What i'm referring to is not a lack of quests or lack of content. Its unfinished content. It really upset me when i had spent all that time on one quest and i couldn't finish it. I was starting to out level the dungeon anyway so it wasn't great XP at all.
Anyway, thats my take on it. There were other factors that made me leave but that was the final straw.
I have heard of problems with higher end content.. and it really is too bad when they have these problems they go ahead and increase xp gain to some extent.. a while back the xp was slower.. but there were so many dungeons around 20-30 that even witht he slower xp you didnt hit up all the content. If there relaly isnt enough high end content it doesnt make much sense to get everyone there faster.. but oh well.
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That is not to say people wouldnt of gotten to higher lv.. as obviously people did.. but more casual players would of taken longer and given them more time to tweak and fix high end dungeons.
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I can't say Vanguard isn't a bad game but when you stack it up against other accessable games it looses.
P.S. I can't find the spell checker.
I would agree with you there on most points neospud. I think Vanguard especialy in its current state is for a very specific type of person. The one thing about it that really has me playing it over other MMO's is the dungeons. I really really enjoy non instanced dungeons (just the experience of it for some odd reason - although I had alot of fun in some WoW instance dungeons.. just not more than once usualy) and love the less linear ones.. as well as the variety in areas (both dungeons and outdoor chunks. So just out of curiousity what games right now could really offer me this with good graphics? WoW instances just don't quite do it for me, and EQ is kidna in the past.. maybe EQ2 dungeons might be fun too.. but what other MMO's that are coming out or are out that you know of with that big open feeling of cool non instances dungeons.
p.s. not saying there arent any
and if there are would love to give them a try.. since playing other MMO's past EQ the dungeons are the one thing i really missed nad feel like atleast so far vanguard got mostly right.
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Well, in all fairness, he isn't far off on the replayability factor of LotRO as it stands right now. Given the small(er) number of classes, and fairly small amount of content currently available, much like WoW, you're gonna be running the same quests pretty much each time through(not including TBC). Where as in VG, with the large number of races/classes, and the almost ridiculously huge world, you could probably roll up at least a couple characters without repeating much content, assuming you're not min maxing.
LOTRO and Vanguard both only have separate quests at low levels. In LOTRO you get your own starter area quests that will carry you to 15, after that the races are funneled down in to a few different level 15 - 20 areas, beyond that everyone is doing the same quests. The same thing happens in vanguard.. everyone does the same mid / high level content. Wile there are less classes to replay in LOTRO, there are also about 50 times as many quests. I don't see much difference in replayability, having played both games quite a bit.
While it might be fun to try out different classes, after the easy starter content, you are still doing the same quests over and over. It doesn't matter to me how huge the world is when it is mostly lifeless and empty. LOTRO manages to cram considerably more content in less space. All that open expanse of nothingness in vanguard is really just wasted space.
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Well, in all fairness, he isn't far off on the replayability factor of LotRO as it stands right now. Given the small(er) number of classes, and fairly small amount of content currently available, much like WoW, you're gonna be running the same quests pretty much each time through(not including TBC). Where as in VG, with the large number of races/classes, and the almost ridiculously huge world, you could probably roll up at least a couple characters without repeating much content, assuming you're not min maxing.
LOTRO and Vanguard both only have separate quests at low levels. In LOTRO you get your own starter area quests that will carry you to 15, after that the races are funneled down in to a few different level 15 - 20 areas, beyond that everyone is doing the same quests. The same thing happens in vanguard.. everyone does the same mid / high level content. Wile there are less classes to replay in LOTRO, there are also about 50 times as many quests. I don't see much difference in replayability, having played both games quite a bit.
While it might be fun to try out different classes, after the easy starter content, you are still doing the same quests over and over. It doesn't matter to me how huge the world is when it is mostly lifeless and empty. LOTRO manages to cram considerably more content in less space. All that open expanse of nothingness in vanguard is really just wasted space.
3 land mass to quests/grind on... I fail to see your point.
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