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The One Ring
DKid
Member Posts: 76
One ring to rule them all. One ring to find them. One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. Sounds like I need this ring. Give me this ring please I will rule them all, and find them all, and bring them all to the darkness till it binds them.
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That was about as innovative as Vanguard.
For me, that ending of the ring cheapened the trials and tribulations that they endured to destroy the ring. Oh well its a story... it doesnt have to make sense.
I guess the moral is that the lust for power consumes all instead of the resiliant prevailing over the powerfull.
Originally posted by shukes33
Grind is not one of the downfalls of DF it is just a feature.
What if the ring effected the lava of mount doom and out of that was forged a new device, not found until the was distant future where it is a post apoc type word of future and fantasy, that would be an insane tale ! call it "Lord of the Rings: Sorrows New Sun "
who me ?
And i look at it as the ring in the end causing it's own downfall, by so utterly corrupting all that came in to contact with it. The end just proves that evil always destroys evil no matter how hard it tries.
This have been a good conversation
Also German leaders in WWI were no 'evil', like in WWII.
As far as the ring goes, I agree it was destroyed by its own greed. Its like the King Midas story. Greed begets greed. The ring could forsee some events but it couldn't forsee others (being found by Bilbo for example). Notice in the movie (since its a visual demonstration) that as Gollum is falling into the fires of Mount Doom, he is still wanting the ring. He is falling to his death but all he wants is the ring. It is amazing the greed the One Ring inspires. One of my favorite aspects of the movies (as opposed to the books) is that they did such an awesome job making the One Ring seem evil. Frodo couldn't withstand the power of the ring either but it didn't corrupt him as much as it did others. This is why he was the one to destroy it.
The themes of the books are universal. I have also read in several sources, and a number of Tolkien's biographers substantiate the claim that Tolkien despised allegory.
Actually the one ring fortold it's own demise. When it told gollum on the side of mount doom thru frodo that if he ever touched the ring again he would be cast into the fiery pit of mount doom. This is a passage from the return of the king.
Then suddenly, as before under the eaves of the Emyn Muil, Sam saw these two rivals with another vision. A crouching shape, scarcely more than a shadow of a living being, a creatrure now wholly ruined and dereated, yet filled with a hideous lust of rage; and before it stood stern, untouchable now by pity, a figure robed in white, but at it's breast it held a wheel of fire. Out of the fire there spoke a commanding voice.
'Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom.'
The crouching shape backed away, terror in it's blinking eyes, and yet at the same time insatiable desire.
The thing the ring didn't count on was the fact that gollum was so consumed with the need to posses it that even the fear of death couldn't stop him from trying to get it back. In the end frodo does succumb to the power of the ring. And like gandalf said. Gollum did have a purpose yet to achieve be it for good or ill he knew not.
It was gollum who destroyed the ring not frodo. If gollum would of slinked away and not tried to get the ring back that one last time all would ov been lost. In a way the ring also caused it's owne demise by the fact it was the reason gollum was so corrupted and driven to posses it. So in the end it can be said evil will cause it's owne downfall thru it's owne blind lust for power.
Perhaps "based" was too far
Maybe "inspired" or even "coloured by experienes in". As for themes being universal... each writer must draw from his own experiences to create a believable experience for others - in terms of motivtations ,emotion, actions (not necessarilty setting since I can see someone responding about what an idiot I am for suggesting that Tolkien actually went to middle earth (probably on a Thomas Cook package deal... stayed in a hotel (probably in Bree) that was still under construction and so was woken every morning by the sound of construction workers and heavy equipement.. no doubt contracted a dose of dodgy belly from some undercooked food and ended up sat in Gondor airport for 12 hours (with only a stale roll and forgien language newspaper to read as all the shops were closed) due a wildcat air controller strike that day.) I would be very suprised if anyone living through, fighting in, having experience of (covering my bases there) a war would not be effected by it, and this would carry over into writings... esp. of war.
(At the end of my first post I did say that it was my take it on... which makes it no more, nor less, valid than anyone elses)
Originally posted by shukes33
Grind is not one of the downfalls of DF it is just a feature.
But when the Author of the books has said your view is wrong - then its just wrong.
You can go around saying black is white all you like - it doesnt make it true.
And there goes the entire study of English Literature in one post... ah education these days. If I read a book and make a connection with a real world event then it is true. The problem lies in how you define truth. If you expect me to read a book and not find my own truth, my own comparison with real events (past or present), then you take the very truth of that book away from me... you censor my opinion. Books are of a time, however the issues can be timeless... Each person who reads a book and watches a film will not see the "truth" of the author but will imprint their own upon it dependant of when and where they live and what experiences they have had in life... as the reference below notes even tolkien admitted to being inspired by WWI (as I orginially mentioned)
Perhaps these references will help you understand and forward a discussion rather than write it off with a few terse words and little evidence or explanation. What you should question however is this: Did I select only the references that support my bias towards a positive answer that confirms my view... or didn't I? If there is more than one view which one is the truth? If you are questionning which one is the truth then by default you agree that there are different interpretations of the truth.
"Tolkien in fact encouraged the view of his work as an open-ended allegory, yet denied particularly specific allegorical applications. For example, in a preface to the book, Tolkien refuted reading Lord of the Rings as an anti-nuclear statement, yet noted how World War I had served as the initial inspiration for the work." (http://users.ipfw.edu/carr/writing/lordrings.htm)
"It is a story of good and evil, and anyone and everyone sees it that way. Still we can go further for related or deeper truths. One is that the races of Middle Earth were unorganized as a whole; as each one pulled in its own direction, or had hostile feelings to others. We see that the Great Enemy forced them to come together, to work together to overcome the Evil. Thus, the Evil was the great force that enabled them to overcome thousands of years of disharmony, turning it into the first degree of an essential unity. Evil was the cause, the enabler of their progress and evolution. We can, of course, see this paralleling the situation in current Europe, as a result of events of World War II, where unity was forged as a result of the Evil of fascism. Such things as the forming of the United Nations, the forming of a common European currency, and the European Union, would not have come into being without the negative events of World War II. (Negatives are positives in disguise; seen most clearly as one rises to higher levels of consciousness.) Like the races of Middle Earth, the nations of Europe were in disharmony prior to WWII. In addition, the actions they took were often questionable ones, that brought out their own greed and mercenary qualities that in the end only facilitated the rise of Nazi Germany" (http://www.gurusoftware.com/GuruNet/Social/LordoftheRings.htm)
Originally posted by shukes33
Grind is not one of the downfalls of DF it is just a feature.