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Other games like EVE where it's a single world (ie. not split player base)
PaulMTC
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Hi all,
Just wondering if there are any other MMORPG games where all players are in the same world (like EVE) and are not split across servers (realms) like WOW.
I'm interested in ones that exist currently and also any that are due to come out in the future.
Thanks,
Paul.
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Well... AutoAssault only has one server but that is basically because they only have enough subscribers for one server.... I guess you're after a game where it has been planned to only have one server. Entropia Universe would be one. Second Life as well.
Those are both sort of more community type, commercial things rather than games, not sure if there are any pure games that are designed in the same way as Eve
If you are looking for a space game then try DarkSpace. There are two introductory scenario based servers for learning the game, and one persistent world server where everyone get's to battle it out in a titanic struggle to rule the universe.
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One Place, Yeah Dark Space.
And Maybe EVE.
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Yes, I am looking for a game that is designed to be played so that all players are in the same world.
I am also looking for a NON sci fi, space one. fantasy would be good.
I have tried guild wars but did not like that way that adventuring was "instance" based where you were locked in to the adventure with your party and couldn't meet anyone else once started.
i guess i'm looking for too much
(
how has eve done it but no other big games?
thanks
paul.
We have the technology to make a massive virtual world. So why are games segregating players into servers of 2k-5k players? Because its cheap and easy!!!
I commend Eve online for truely making an innovative game.
Imagine all of WoWs servers merged into one. That doesn't sound like such a great idea if you imagine 5000 people would be standing in one spot now does it?
EVE-o is an special game - Each system is huge, planets, space stations, astroid fields with NPC spawns.. And it's quite fast to produce another one. But when you travel around in the systems, they're very much alike.
Imagine if many of the fantasy MMORPGs took this route. A good example would be World of Warcraft, since many developers dreams of filling their empty pockets. WoW roughly have 40-50 times as many players as EVE-o. Fitting all of them into one world, would require.. Alot of work. How would the areas look? It would ofcourse take an EVE-o aproach - You see, EVE-o's areas consist of 99% nothingness and 1% astroids, planets, stations, NPCs, gates and so on. World of Warcraft could create a desert. Walk for 4 hours, and there'll be an oasis with a few mobs. Head the other way for four hours, and there'll be a small settlement. Then you will have to create a world big enough to hold 7-8 million players. Wouldn't work in a fantasy world, since many people actually enjoy the unique structures, objects, monsters and so on they find throughout the world. EVE-o is a niche game, aiming for a different crowd. The current state of EVE-o doesn't offer much to any explorer type at all.
Anywho, I do not want to rant about the old games. I want to commend the new games that come up with a new way of implementing games.
Eve rocks because it does things that many games do not. Collision detection and one single world server are two of them.
Don't complain to me about lag or that we don't need one world server because I do not concur that they are obsticles.
Eve has achieved creating one virtual world where players are not segregated. That is the future, no matter what excuse you spew at me.
EVE-o is an special game - Each system is huge, planets, space stations, astroid fields with NPC spawns.. And it's quite fast to produce another one. But when you travel around in the systems, they're very much alike.
Imagine if many of the fantasy MMORPGs took this route. A good example would be World of Warcraft, since many developers dreams of filling their empty pockets. WoW roughly have 40-50 times as many players as EVE-o. Fitting all of them into one world, would require.. Alot of work. How would the areas look? It would ofcourse take an EVE-o aproach - You see, EVE-o's areas consist of 99% nothingness and 1% astroids, planets, stations, NPCs, gates and so on. World of Warcraft could create a desert. Walk for 4 hours, and there'll be an oasis with a few mobs. Head the other way for four hours, and there'll be a small settlement. Then you will have to create a world big enough to hold 7-8 million players. Wouldn't work in a fantasy world, since many people actually enjoy the unique structures, objects, monsters and so on they find throughout the world. EVE-o is a niche game, aiming for a different crowd. The current state of EVE-o doesn't offer much to any explorer type at all.Eve takes place in space. What is outer space? The lack of stuff. So yes, eve has a lot more of nothing in its map design. But that is the the facts of the game world they are trying to emulate.
Just because Wow does something a certian way you accept mediocrity because it is satus quoe?
Wow was not designed to support players on one world server, that is why it cannot. Eve was, that is why it can.
Two completely different games. Wich one is innovative and wich one is mediocre?
Please don't act like a sheep and rely on Wow sales numbers to support your oppinion. The fact is there are games with better features out there. I am merely commending a game like Eve for pushing the envelope instead of dumbing itself down to appeal to the masses.
How big was the world of Oblivion? 16 square kilometers? Then imagine creating a world at the size of a thousand square kilometers. Then imagine, that each square kilometer would contain 800 people(Which is enough to kill a system in EVE). 800 people in one square kilometer isn't that much of fun - 12,5 square meter to each person. 10.000 or more square kilometers would probaly be needed, to avoid the feeling of overcrowdness.
Can you flesh out 10.000 square kilometers within a reasonable timelimit?
EVE-o is an special game - Each system is huge, planets, space stations, astroid fields with NPC spawns.. And it's quite fast to produce another one. But when you travel around in the systems, they're very much alike.
Imagine if many of the fantasy MMORPGs took this route. A good example would be World of Warcraft, since many developers dreams of filling their empty pockets. WoW roughly have 40-50 times as many players as EVE-o. Fitting all of them into one world, would require.. Alot of work. How would the areas look? It would ofcourse take an EVE-o aproach - You see, EVE-o's areas consist of 99% nothingness and 1% astroids, planets, stations, NPCs, gates and so on. World of Warcraft could create a desert. Walk for 4 hours, and there'll be an oasis with a few mobs. Head the other way for four hours, and there'll be a small settlement. Then you will have to create a world big enough to hold 7-8 million players. Wouldn't work in a fantasy world, since many people actually enjoy the unique structures, objects, monsters and so on they find throughout the world. EVE-o is a niche game, aiming for a different crowd. The current state of EVE-o doesn't offer much to any explorer type at all. So you accept mediocrity because it is satus quoe.
Wow was not designed to support players on one world server, that is why it cannot. Eve was, that is why it can.
Two completely different games. Wich one is innovative and wich one is mediocre?
Please don't act like a sheep and rely on Wow sales numbers to support your oppinion. The fact is there are games with better features out there. I am merely commending a game like Eve for pushing the envelope instead of dumbing itself down to appeal to the masses. You're totaly missing my point.
EVE-O and World of Warcraft are two ENTIRELY different genres of MMORPG.
One exist of the vast space, with a few objects here and there.
The other consists of a continent, fully fleshed out with textures everywhere.
Following your line of thougth here, World of Warcraft would be a much better game if they would have created one very very very very very very very large desert where there was only something to do every 10th hour of walking. Did you know that hyperdrive isn't normaly associated with fantasy games? That is sci-fi for you there, bud.
EVE-o is an special game - Each system is huge, planets, space stations, astroid fields with NPC spawns.. And it's quite fast to produce another one. But when you travel around in the systems, they're very much alike.
Imagine if many of the fantasy MMORPGs took this route. A good example would be World of Warcraft, since many developers dreams of filling their empty pockets. WoW roughly have 40-50 times as many players as EVE-o. Fitting all of them into one world, would require.. Alot of work. How would the areas look? It would ofcourse take an EVE-o aproach - You see, EVE-o's areas consist of 99% nothingness and 1% astroids, planets, stations, NPCs, gates and so on. World of Warcraft could create a desert. Walk for 4 hours, and there'll be an oasis with a few mobs. Head the other way for four hours, and there'll be a small settlement. Then you will have to create a world big enough to hold 7-8 million players. Wouldn't work in a fantasy world, since many people actually enjoy the unique structures, objects, monsters and so on they find throughout the world. EVE-o is a niche game, aiming for a different crowd. The current state of EVE-o doesn't offer much to any explorer type at all. So you accept mediocrity because it is satus quoe.
Wow was not designed to support players on one world server, that is why it cannot. Eve was, that is why it can.
Two completely different games. Wich one is innovative and wich one is mediocre?
Please don't act like a sheep and rely on Wow sales numbers to support your oppinion. The fact is there are games with better features out there. I am merely commending a game like Eve for pushing the envelope instead of dumbing itself down to appeal to the masses. You're totaly missing my point.
EVE-O and World of Warcraft are two ENTIRELY different genres of MMORPG.
One exist of the vast space, with a few objects here and there.
The other consists of a continent, fully fleshed out with textures everywhere.
Following your line of thougth here, World of Warcraft would be a much better game if they would have created one very very very very very very very large desert where there was only something to do every 10th hour of walking. Did you know that hyperdrive isn't normaly associated with fantasy games? That is sci-fi for you there, bud. Read my post again. I believe I said that they are "two completely different games".
My point was that any game can handle what it was designed to do.
EVE-o is an special game - Each system is huge, planets, space stations, astroid fields with NPC spawns.. And it's quite fast to produce another one. But when you travel around in the systems, they're very much alike.
Imagine if many of the fantasy MMORPGs took this route. A good example would be World of Warcraft, since many developers dreams of filling their empty pockets. WoW roughly have 40-50 times as many players as EVE-o. Fitting all of them into one world, would require.. Alot of work. How would the areas look? It would ofcourse take an EVE-o aproach - You see, EVE-o's areas consist of 99% nothingness and 1% astroids, planets, stations, NPCs, gates and so on. World of Warcraft could create a desert. Walk for 4 hours, and there'll be an oasis with a few mobs. Head the other way for four hours, and there'll be a small settlement. Then you will have to create a world big enough to hold 7-8 million players. Wouldn't work in a fantasy world, since many people actually enjoy the unique structures, objects, monsters and so on they find throughout the world. EVE-o is a niche game, aiming for a different crowd. The current state of EVE-o doesn't offer much to any explorer type at all. So you accept mediocrity because it is satus quoe.
Wow was not designed to support players on one world server, that is why it cannot. Eve was, that is why it can.
Two completely different games. Wich one is innovative and wich one is mediocre?
Please don't act like a sheep and rely on Wow sales numbers to support your oppinion. The fact is there are games with better features out there. I am merely commending a game like Eve for pushing the envelope instead of dumbing itself down to appeal to the masses. You're totaly missing my point.
EVE-O and World of Warcraft are two ENTIRELY different genres of MMORPG.
One exist of the vast space, with a few objects here and there.
The other consists of a continent, fully fleshed out with textures everywhere.
Following your line of thougth here, World of Warcraft would be a much better game if they would have created one very very very very very very very large desert where there was only something to do every 10th hour of walking. Did you know that hyperdrive isn't normaly associated with fantasy games? That is sci-fi for you there, bud. Read my post again. I believe I said that they are "two completely different games".
My point was that any game can handle what it was designed to do. And designing an fantasy world to hold 8 million people is simply not possible, unless you want to create a world without character.
Take a visual moment - You're now able to land on every planet in the EVE-o univers, and each is totally unique, it's own kind of mobs, it's own kind of NPCs and structures, it's own kind of terrain.. Sounds like something anyone in this world could pull off?
You said one world server is a part of the future. I say one world server is a part of the design, and by choosing that option, you have to set alot of limits, regarding the game world. Choosing shards leaves you with alot more freedom when it comes to creating the world.
Quantity over quality?
The wright brothers defied gravity. Our space programs breached out earths gravity to launch things into space. We have sent man made objects to the depths of our solar system.
Our results are only limited by our design. If we choose to design something to acomodate something that acomodates billions of users we can. The internet is a perfect expample. 40 years ago would you have called someone crazy if you planned a computer infrastructure that could acomodate concurent uploads and downloads of information to every person on the globe?
You are not grasping the concept of design. If something is designed from the ground up to accomplish a task then it can handle the task.
Thats what diffrentiates eve from wow. A difference in design.
Many people enjoy good graphics, this will defently be a part of the future.
Now you have to fill out 10.000 square kilometeres with truely unique content.
Imagine if the internet and all the pages within the internet, was designed by one company. Sounds like quite a project, doesn't it?
Imagine if the Apollo rocket was designed by one company, and it even had to fund it themself.. Looks like quite a project, doesn't it?
Huge things takes a big amount of people to do. The internet is what it is today, because of million upon million who have all left their unique mark on it. The Apollo rocket became an reality because of all the scientists and works working on it, and ofcourse the healthy fund they've recived from both the goverment as well as individuals.
These are both gigantic tasks where many people have banded together, to create something truely epic.
But this is MMORPGs we're talking about. Game developers wan't to make profit. Creating such an huge world, would take alot of employees. These employees needs to be paid. You don't make profit on MMORPGs when they're in development.
World of Warcraft was in development for.. 3 years? Not exactly sure. How many people worked on it? 100? 200? I've no idea. How big is the World of Warcraft? I'll probaly guess.. Uhm, under 30 square km.
Let's do the math then. We want a world that is 10.000 square km, correct? That is at least 333.333 times larger than the current World of Warcraft. That's just a thousand year project - But that wouldn't happen, new technology is avaible now and then, so that would have to be updated.. So we want to cut down the development time to 4 years. Let's assume World of Warcraft got 100 developers. To get the project done in 4 years, you'd need 33000 developers. Great! So 33000 people are working 48 months on this game. How much does an developer earn per month? Lets aim low, 4.000$. That's 6.336.000.000$. Ofcourse, you'd need hardware for all the developers too. And a place to stay. And electricity.
And come to think of it.. The world of WoW isn't nearly fleshed out enough. I mean, the zones are unique, but the world just doesn't seem.. Alive.. More work to be done there.
Tell me.. How far out in the future are we speaking?
EVE-o is an special game - Each system is huge, planets, space stations, astroid fields with NPC spawns.. And it's quite fast to produce another one. But when you travel around in the systems, they're very much alike.
Imagine if many of the fantasy MMORPGs took this route. A good example would be World of Warcraft, since many developers dreams of filling their empty pockets. WoW roughly have 40-50 times as many players as EVE-o. Fitting all of them into one world, would require.. Alot of work. How would the areas look? It would ofcourse take an EVE-o aproach - You see, EVE-o's areas consist of 99% nothingness and 1% astroids, planets, stations, NPCs, gates and so on. World of Warcraft could create a desert. Walk for 4 hours, and there'll be an oasis with a few mobs. Head the other way for four hours, and there'll be a small settlement. Then you will have to create a world big enough to hold 7-8 million players. Wouldn't work in a fantasy world, since many people actually enjoy the unique structures, objects, monsters and so on they find throughout the world. EVE-o is a niche game, aiming for a different crowd. The current state of EVE-o doesn't offer much to any explorer type at all. So you accept mediocrity because it is satus quoe.
Wow was not designed to support players on one world server, that is why it cannot. Eve was, that is why it can.
Two completely different games. Wich one is innovative and wich one is mediocre?
Please don't act like a sheep and rely on Wow sales numbers to support your oppinion. The fact is there are games with better features out there. I am merely commending a game like Eve for pushing the envelope instead of dumbing itself down to appeal to the masses. You're totaly missing my point.
EVE-O and World of Warcraft are two ENTIRELY different genres of MMORPG.
One exist of the vast space, with a few objects here and there.
The other consists of a continent, fully fleshed out with textures everywhere.
Following your line of thougth here, World of Warcraft would be a much better game if they would have created one very very very very very very very large desert where there was only something to do every 10th hour of walking. Did you know that hyperdrive isn't normaly associated with fantasy games? That is sci-fi for you there, bud. Read my post again. I believe I said that they are "two completely different games".
My point was that any game can handle what it was designed to do. And designing an fantasy world to hold 8 million people is simply not possible, unless you want to create a world without character.
Take a visual moment - You're now able to land on every planet in the EVE-o univers, and each is totally unique, it's own kind of mobs, it's own kind of NPCs and structures, it's own kind of terrain.. Sounds like something anyone in this world could pull off?
Eve has about 120k-ish subscribers? Maybe more. Of which usually there are about 15-20k online, and at peak sometimes 35k on weekends.
WoW has 8.5 million subscribers. How many of these are actually playing at any one time in total on all the servers? (That's not a rehtorical question, I really don't know) but i'm gonna assume it's not even 5% because WoW has a much more casual audience.
Given that Blizzard earns around 85+ million Euros per month, compared to about 1.2 million for CCP, i'm pretty sure that if CCP can build a mega-server with that sort of budget to house 35k people, then Blizzard can actually start re-investing that money into the game and build a server which can support an average of 300-400k people. I mean with that sort of budget, PER MONTH.
Although tbh i don't know if throwing hundreds of millions at a problem like that would actually solve it. Maybe it's technically impossible. But tbh I reckon Blizzard just doesn't want to dish out the money.
Only time will tell. As cool as it would be having a game world the size of the real world, is that an aspect of realism you really want?
Not only will not everyone be able to play this game, but simply what would happen? Where would everyone start? the amount of copied stuff within a game is so vast, if everything was unique, it would knock up load times and general framerate who knows by how much.
And lets face it, as much as people go on about 'realism' inside a game, if you had a game that was EXACTLY like real life, it would be rubbish! It would be like project entropia without the ability to pay in money i think, not that ive played it for more than half an hour, but i know starting it is a bore
graphics wise and objects wise, for everything to be unique, it would look totally awesome, along with a fully customisable 'avatar' of sorts, but its all about balancing what information is stored a)by the server, b)by you and how good everything can look whilst keeping a relatively good framerate.
Its therefore not a question of when will they be able to come up with such magnificent and unique graphics, because technology must move as one, so the graphics card can handle it, processors be able to run it smoothly, memory be able to hold it etc etc. Real life is made up of cells, and games can only be as real as life when the polygons become just as small, which I think is indeed possible, but it sure as hell isnt currently possible to play a good game in
EVE-o is an special game - Each system is huge, planets, space stations, astroid fields with NPC spawns.. And it's quite fast to produce another one. But when you travel around in the systems, they're very much alike.
Imagine if many of the fantasy MMORPGs took this route. A good example would be World of Warcraft, since many developers dreams of filling their empty pockets. WoW roughly have 40-50 times as many players as EVE-o. Fitting all of them into one world, would require.. Alot of work. How would the areas look? It would ofcourse take an EVE-o aproach - You see, EVE-o's areas consist of 99% nothingness and 1% astroids, planets, stations, NPCs, gates and so on. World of Warcraft could create a desert. Walk for 4 hours, and there'll be an oasis with a few mobs. Head the other way for four hours, and there'll be a small settlement. Then you will have to create a world big enough to hold 7-8 million players. Wouldn't work in a fantasy world, since many people actually enjoy the unique structures, objects, monsters and so on they find throughout the world. EVE-o is a niche game, aiming for a different crowd. The current state of EVE-o doesn't offer much to any explorer type at all. So you accept mediocrity because it is satus quoe.
Wow was not designed to support players on one world server, that is why it cannot. Eve was, that is why it can.
Two completely different games. Wich one is innovative and wich one is mediocre?
Please don't act like a sheep and rely on Wow sales numbers to support your oppinion. The fact is there are games with better features out there. I am merely commending a game like Eve for pushing the envelope instead of dumbing itself down to appeal to the masses. You're totaly missing my point.
EVE-O and World of Warcraft are two ENTIRELY different genres of MMORPG.
One exist of the vast space, with a few objects here and there.
The other consists of a continent, fully fleshed out with textures everywhere.
Following your line of thougth here, World of Warcraft would be a much better game if they would have created one very very very very very very very large desert where there was only something to do every 10th hour of walking. Did you know that hyperdrive isn't normaly associated with fantasy games? That is sci-fi for you there, bud. Read my post again. I believe I said that they are "two completely different games".
My point was that any game can handle what it was designed to do. And designing an fantasy world to hold 8 million people is simply not possible, unless you want to create a world without character.
Take a visual moment - You're now able to land on every planet in the EVE-o univers, and each is totally unique, it's own kind of mobs, it's own kind of NPCs and structures, it's own kind of terrain.. Sounds like something anyone in this world could pull off?
Eve has about 120k-ish subscribers? Maybe more. Of which usually there are about 15-20k online, and at peak sometimes 35k on weekends.
WoW has 8.5 million subscribers. How many of these are actually playing at any one time in total on all the servers? (That's not a rehtorical question, I really don't know) but i'm gonna assume it's not even 5% because WoW has a much more casual audience.
Given that Blizzard earns around 85+ million Euros per month, compared to about 1.2 million for CCP, i'm pretty sure that if CCP can build a mega-server with that sort of budget to house 35k people, then Blizzard can actually start re-investing that money into the game and build a server which can support an average of 300-400k people. I mean with that sort of budget, PER MONTH.
Although tbh i don't know if throwing hundreds of millions at a problem like that would actually solve it. Maybe it's technically impossible. But tbh I reckon Blizzard just doesn't want to dish out the money. This isn't about the servers capable of holding that many players, it's about delivering a fantasy game that have enough content..
But let's see. If Blizzard earned 85+ million Euros a month(Which they dont. The raw number is probaly around 120.000.000$. Blizzard is a part of Vivendi Universal, and that's where the majority of the money goes too. Blizzard is also considerably bigger, got more GMs, more developers, more buildings.. Well, just more expenses), then blizzard would be capable of delivering a server hub capable of holding 3.000.000 players.
If the average player in WoW spend about 5% of their time ingame, then he'd spend 72 minutes a day logged on. It would take him 260 days of playing, with that schedule, to hit lvl 60(Average around 13 days of gametime). The average player spends about 2-3 months leveling a character to 60. So it would only be fair to guess that around 15% of the players are online at once.
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EVE-o is an special game - Each system is huge, planets, space stations, astroid fields with NPC spawns.. And it's quite fast to produce another one. But when you travel around in the systems, they're very much alike.
Imagine if many of the fantasy MMORPGs took this route. A good example would be World of Warcraft, since many developers dreams of filling their empty pockets. WoW roughly have 40-50 times as many players as EVE-o. Fitting all of them into one world, would require.. Alot of work. How would the areas look? It would ofcourse take an EVE-o aproach - You see, EVE-o's areas consist of 99% nothingness and 1% astroids, planets, stations, NPCs, gates and so on. World of Warcraft could create a desert. Walk for 4 hours, and there'll be an oasis with a few mobs. Head the other way for four hours, and there'll be a small settlement. Then you will have to create a world big enough to hold 7-8 million players. Wouldn't work in a fantasy world, since many people actually enjoy the unique structures, objects, monsters and so on they find throughout the world. EVE-o is a niche game, aiming for a different crowd. The current state of EVE-o doesn't offer much to any explorer type at all.So you accept mediocrity because it is satus quoe.
Wow was not designed to support players on one world server, that is why it cannot. Eve was, that is why it can.
Two completely different games. Wich one is innovative and wich one is mediocre?
Please don't act like a sheep and rely on Wow sales numbers to support your oppinion. The fact is there are games with better features out there. I am merely commending a game like Eve for pushing the envelope instead of dumbing itself down to appeal to the masses.You're totaly missing my point.
EVE-O and World of Warcraft are two ENTIRELY different genres of MMORPG.
One exist of the vast space, with a few objects here and there.
The other consists of a continent, fully fleshed out with textures everywhere.
Following your line of thougth here, World of Warcraft would be a much better game if they would have created one very very very very very very very large desert where there was only something to do every 10th hour of walking. Did you know that hyperdrive isn't normaly associated with fantasy games? That is sci-fi for you there, bud.Read my post again. I believe I said that they are "two completely different games".
My point was that any game can handle what it was designed to do.And designing an fantasy world to hold 8 million people is simply not possible, unless you want to create a world without character.
Take a visual moment - You're now able to land on every planet in the EVE-o univers, and each is totally unique, it's own kind of mobs, it's own kind of NPCs and structures, it's own kind of terrain.. Sounds like something anyone in this world could pull off?
Eve has about 120k-ish subscribers? Maybe more. Of which usually there are about 15-20k online, and at peak sometimes 35k on weekends.
WoW has 8.5 million subscribers. How many of these are actually playing at any one time in total on all the servers? (That's not a rehtorical question, I really don't know) but i'm gonna assume it's not even 5% because WoW has a much more casual audience.
Given that Blizzard earns around 85+ million Euros per month, compared to about 1.2 million for CCP, i'm pretty sure that if CCP can build a mega-server with that sort of budget to house 35k people, then Blizzard can actually start re-investing that money into the game and build a server which can support an average of 300-400k people. I mean with that sort of budget, PER MONTH.
Although tbh i don't know if throwing hundreds of millions at a problem like that would actually solve it. Maybe it's technically impossible. But tbh I reckon Blizzard just doesn't want to dish out the money.Nicely put, Derf26. I couldn't agree with you more.