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Playing Evil - Concept Races & Classes
DeaconX
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While monster play is OK, and I do understand why the focus is 95% on the free peoples of Middle-Earth, many people enjoy playing the baddies. So, just for fun cuz my brain likes to do this stuff, I came up with a concept for playing evil races in the future:
4 RACES [Just like Free Peoples]
-Monster [Orc/Goblinkind]
-Undead/Damned [Works especially well to serve the Witch King]
-'Evil Humans' [I'm not sure if there's an actual name for them, but the Corsairs in RotK would be from this group]
-Creature [I'm not into it, but some might be... playing monster creatures like spiders and wargs... beasts basically]
2 Starting Locations. First is for Monsters and 'Evil Humans' perhaps serving Saruman, the second is for Undead/Damned and Creature minions perhaps serving the Witch King.
6 CLASSES [Converted from Free Peoples]
-Commander [Captain - Like the lead Urukai or however that was spelled, sorry I'm no expert hehe]
-Assassin/Spy [Burglar equivolent]
-Berserker [Champion equivolent]
-Brute [Guardian equivolent]
-Witchling [Lore-Master equivolent]
-Chanter [Think dark minstrel]
Anyway as I said this is all just concept I just came up with quickly, but feel free to flame lol it's enevitable when posting it seems. What's everyone think?
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
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Were did you hear this? I have never heard anything about them brainstorming factions for later release. I have been following this game very closely for over 3 years. All i have heard is they plan to expand upon monster play. That evil races outside of monster play will not happen as long as nik davison is the lead game designer. Can you provide a link to were they say it is up in the air and they are doing this brainstorming you speak of?
Were did you hear this? I have never heard anything about them brainstorming factions for later release. I have been following this game very closely for over 3 years. All i have heard is they plan to expand upon monster play. That evil races outside of monster play will not happen as long as nik davison is the lead game designer. Can you provide a link to were they say it is up in the air and they are doing this brainstorming you speak of?
This has nothing to do with the game designers, but the LICENSE from Tolkein Enterprises.MP will be expanded with more choices, and perhaps down the road they will be able to split into factions, but for now that is off the table. This game is run under strict guidelines from Tolkein, and the programmers and developers have to work under them in order to keep the license.
Were did you hear this? I have never heard anything about them brainstorming factions for later release. I have been following this game very closely for over 3 years. All i have heard is they plan to expand upon monster play. That evil races outside of monster play will not happen as long as nik davison is the lead game designer. Can you provide a link to were they say it is up in the air and they are doing this brainstorming you speak of?
This has nothing to do with the game designers, but the LICENSE from Tolkein Enterprises.MP will be expanded with more choices, and perhaps down the road they will be able to split into factions, but for now that is off the table. This game is run under strict guidelines from Tolkein, and the programmers and developers have to work under them in order to keep the license.
I am fully aware of tolkien enterprises involvment in this game. He makes it sound like turbine is brainstorming seperate factions and possible evil races to play later. Of course they will expand upon monster play they have said they would. I was just asking were he heard his info from. And would like to see a link to the source so i can read it myself.
They could come out with "Hamburgler" Class, and I would welcome it, im also being completely serious
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
Monster play is just about right for the LOTR licence. And here's why:
The good guys win.
I'm sorry that I just spoiled the end of the book, but that's pretty much what happens. There's no open endedness to the concept of LOTR being an MMO; it has a definite storyline that must be adhered to and a definite end - and in that end the bad guys lose. I find it odd that some people want to roll on the losing side of the story, knowing that the free people of middle earth will crush the bad guys, and that Sauron will ultimately be destroyed once Frodo and Sam finish their dangerous journey to Mt Doom. Even early on, and considering that you might want an Uruk Hai as a player class aside from monster play, these classes that are part of Saruman's army will be utterly destroyed after the battle of Helms Deep and no longer exist in the world. Yet the story and the game will continue.
Codemasters and Turbine have worked pretty hard for you to play a part in the overall story. Playing an evil race is part of the fun with Monster Play. Playing an evil race or class from the start of the game wouldn't work properly, or would be severely limited, due to the constraints of the story - where the bad guys lose. They have gone for the story which people readily identify to: the Lord of the Rings - to wrap their vision of an MMO around. Evil races/classes or whatever just wouldn't work in the greater scheme of things (the story), so they created the option of consentual PvP monster play as a way around this, and to add that elelment of competitive fun to the game.
If it were any other MMO concept, I'd agree with you here. But this isn't any other MMO in this respect.
You are wise, my friend and while I believe everything you say to be true, I think some people just love playing evil for the fun of it, even if the story is written in stone. I myself think they've done a great job with the game and I'm pleased to even have monster play, BUT I know there are a LOT of people who love PVP / RP as Evil, but they would really love to do it in Middle-Earth because they love the IP.
Either way this makes me wonder... will LotRO ever expand to the point where 'the journey is over' for the fellowship? What will be next? My friends and I would like to play this for years to come but one of my buddies fears there won't be enough... I keep reassuring him. Eventually though, you'd figure that somehow they will have to come up with original content
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
LotRO will NEVER get to the stage where good triumphs over evil.
So I guess once again, the ball is in their court, if they continue to add things to the game, following what they have already done, I don't think many will be disappointed. Lets just hope this isn't one of those "alright, its done, we'll re-visit it in a year or two...on to the next game"
I really don't think so - really can't praise Turbine and Codemasters enough for their care of this game. They work very hard on every level and I'm gladly paying them with a lifetime membership which is btw, an AWESOME deal if you ask me and I wish more MMO's which were confident in their game would do this.
Then again, I've no way of knowing they won't suddenly disappoint - but I've got a pretty good feeling about this one!
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
I also enjoy playing evil classes or races in games like this. I just got to the level where I can take part in monster play, so I will be trying that out. I'm glad CM and Turbine have done it this way, as it doesn't break the story. I don't yet know what monster play is like, but a friend told me that you get to keep your monster and give him abilities by using your main character's destiny points. He said it was a lot of fun to play as well.
I play on a roleplay server, and even at this pre-release point there are some dark-themed/evil roleplay kinships that are having fun doing what they do. Beyond this RPing aspect, I'm not sure that there could be a way to actually work for Saruman or the Witch king - even if CM or Turbine wanted to include it (aside from MP).
At this point I don't know how the "end" will be handled. I just know that it will be a lot of fun getting there - and that it will take a bloody long time. I don't think that they will come up with original content as far as the story goes - they'll be sticking to that religiously - and they're strictly monitored by Tolkien Enterprises who control the licence. Aside from reading a couple of suggestive rumours that we're going to have plenty to look forward to and do in the "end game", I'll imagine that they'll find some good ways to keep the game and the story alive.
Which is nice!
By the way... your suggested evil classes are pretty good too, but I think it's already a foregone conclusion that playing evil isn't going to be in game, apart from MP.
Tolkien Enterprises say it can't happen. CM and Tubine have to stick to the story and the IP as close as they possibly can, or else the LOTR licence gets pulled.
That pretty much sums it up.
Were did you hear this? I have never heard anything about them brainstorming factions for later release. I have been following this game very closely for over 3 years. All i have heard is they plan to expand upon monster play. That evil races outside of monster play will not happen as long as nik davison is the lead game designer. Can you provide a link to were they say it is up in the air and they are doing this brainstorming you speak of?
Stratics Dev chat , December or January . They talked about some type of fractions system later down the road . I apologize I have no exact answer link , Maybe do something like they did for D&D ..... Yes and the story has evil dwarfs as well as men . ...I like pie !
Were did you hear this? I have never heard anything about them brainstorming factions for later release. I have been following this game very closely for over 3 years. All i have heard is they plan to expand upon monster play. That evil races outside of monster play will not happen as long as nik davison is the lead game designer. Can you provide a link to were they say it is up in the air and they are doing this brainstorming you speak of?
Stratics Dev chat , December or January . They talked about some type of fractions system later down the road . I apologize I have no exact answer link , Maybe do something like they did for D&D ..... Yes and the story has evil dwarfs as well as men . ... I hate fractions...multiplication would be better to implement than fractions-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!
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Were did you hear this? I have never heard anything about them brainstorming factions for later release. I have been following this game very closely for over 3 years. All i have heard is they plan to expand upon monster play. That evil races outside of monster play will not happen as long as nik davison is the lead game designer. Can you provide a link to were they say it is up in the air and they are doing this brainstorming you speak of?
Stratics Dev chat , December or January . They talked about some type of fractions system later down the road . I apologize I have no exact answer link , Maybe do something like they did for D&D ..... Yes and the story has evil dwarfs as well as men . ... I hate fractions...multiplication would be better to implement than fractions We will just have to wait and seeI like pie !
Were did you hear this? I have never heard anything about them brainstorming factions for later release. I have been following this game very closely for over 3 years. All i have heard is they plan to expand upon monster play. That evil races outside of monster play will not happen as long as nik davison is the lead game designer. Can you provide a link to were they say it is up in the air and they are doing this brainstorming you speak of?
Stratics Dev chat , December or January . They talked about some type of fractions system later down the road . I apologize I have no exact answer link , Maybe do something like they did for D&D ..... Yes and the story has evil dwarfs as well as men . ...I have read every stratci dev chat they have put out on this game. All i remember them saying about factions is that monster play is the PVP system in this game and that they would be expanding upon it. I would remember if they said they were brainstorming how to put factions in at a later date. The lead designer of the game has said as long as he is running the show there won't be any playable evil races outside of monster play. In all actuallity they already have a faction system in place in monster play. You can play either side in monster play. Why would they go and make a complete differant faction system where monsters are playable like the good guys when they already have all the time and energy put into there current faction system in monster play?
So basically, playing evil would be - in my understanding - heavily against Tolkiens understanding, since you would have to include quest hubs, cities, abilities and stuff. Evil creatures would have skills and could achieve something and clad themselves in different armor, have an auction house, inn... These are all things that Tolkien lore doesn't provide...
Plus, it would take away the spirit of Lord of the Rings. Tolkiens Lore at the end of the third age is all about teaming up, working together against a threat in the far south and the north... Playing against a horde of named Orcs telling you that his elven alt just reached level 50 after ganking you hardcore in the middle of the shire... dude, that would be SO un-lotro, in fact it would be SO much against my understanding of tolkien that I'd probably cease playing this game, and I know many Tolkien Fans feel alike in this matter...
Meridion
If you want FFA PVP, (and I mean this in the kindest possible way) then move along. If you want to play the 'evil races', move along. LOTRO isn't, and won't ever be, for you. There are plenty of other games that provide these things (to some extent, anyway).
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Maybe they where talking about MP , maybe they where talking about something else ....
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