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be sure and post some screen shots... of this...
iskareot
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I am going to use a alt account right now and go in game ON BRIA and take timestamped screen shots of how well this is doing..
I want to see the population and what it consists of --
Hot spots are marked and this should be really good.....
I almost like it -- Kinda like watching a car wreck as you pass by...
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
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You know that's true. In Pre-Cu there was always someone willing to help you get started in game. Someone helped me in fact. The game at first was a little overwhelming only to find out it wasn't nearly as hard as I thought it was. It was a good system and a lot of fun to play.
As you guys always say "where's the proof"? Some screenies please. Other wise that is just a made up story. J/K
Seriously though there are going to always be bad apples out there, that is just inevitable. It sucks for anyone to act that way but some people do. There are still plenty of us who are hooking new and returning players up with gear and helping them out however they need.
Also if these vets are returning with the attitudes of some of the people on these forums ( this one here specifically) then there is a chance they could have brought that upon themselves.
Anyway it's niether here nor there it is just a game in the end. Some hate, some love it. Some love to bash people b/c they like it , some don't. Some have moved on, some have not.
Boy I'm glad I only stayed upset for all of 10min when I found out there would be no more MVP baseball for my Awesome PS2( the best gaming console ever made to date) a Sony product
As you guys always say "where's the proof"? Some screenies please. Other wise that is just a made up story. J/K
Seriously though there are going to always be bad apples out there, that is just inevitable. It sucks for anyone to act that way but some people do. There are still plenty of us who are hooking new and returning players up with gear and helping them out however they need.
Also if these vets are returning with the attitudes of some of the people on these forums ( this one here specifically) then there is a chance they could have brought that upon themselves.
Anyway it's niether here nor there it is just a game in the end. Some hate, some love it. Some love to bash people b/c they like it , some don't. Some have moved on, some have not.
Boy I'm glad I only stayed upset for all of 10min when I found out there would be no more MVP baseball for my Awesome PS2( the best gaming console ever made to date) a Sony product
Any time real people interact its no longer just a game.Many of us had made hundreds of friendships on that game and spent years building our characters and reputations only to have it all destroyed in a single patch that no one wanted.
If someone killed 200 of your friends, burned down your house and robbed your bank you would be a little bitter as well.
No real people interact in games all the time. Look at any sports anyone plays in the world. They are games. Look at board games those are games as well. Real people interact in Chess.
Oh im so sorry you lost your virtual reputation and ingame stuff. (actually you didnt lose unless you deleted it yourself. Otherwise it's still there)
STOP BEING SO DAMN DRAMATIC
It is just a game. Sure you made some great friendships. No one killed your friends get real.
These things you mention are in a virtual world not real life. Get a grip Fraya.......no
CRY ME A RIVER
Spat old friend I had to.
I had to see this for myself YET AGAIN... I wanted to make sure that the NGErs were pretty much lying and that I was not thinking the game sucked without warrant.
SO I went in it.
MAN... what a freaking joke... all bullshit and pretty much see that every single person left is just a lost lemming.
I now KNOW that we as anti-NGErs made the very very very wise choice and left the game when it was good.
It is sooo freaking sad to go to city to city, place to place and see it now.
It's just a joke and SOE should be ashamed of themselves.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
(this is just an example by the way I wouldnt waste the money on him to really do it)
Dude you would not believe it -- you just would not... it was like almost creepy sad at the same time --
My god man there was SOOOO many people just talking, selling interacting... omg its all gone now... just gone gone gone.
I will post the shots once I have them all in order... But yea, it will be hard to swallow once you see these... it's just unreal.
I have lost all respect for any NGEr that claims some success in this... there is NONE -- NONE AT ALL... nothing to be proud of or happy about... not a damn thing.
Seeing this today on Bria was just the proof I needed and what I will be compiling to send to Smedley--- It does not lie... it is simply nothing more then SAD.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
No real people interact in games all the time. Look at any sports anyone plays in the world. They are games. Look at board games those are games as well. Real people interact in Chess.
Oh im so sorry you lost your virtual reputation and ingame stuff. (actually you didnt lose unless you deleted it yourself. Otherwise it's still there)
STOP BEING SO DAMN DRAMATIC
It is just a game. Sure you made some great friendships. No one killed your friends get real.
These things you mention are in a virtual world not real life. Get a grip Fraya.......no
CRY ME A RIVER
Are you a Dev? Because that's exactly the same attitude they have and that's why their game isn't doing so well.No i'm no Dev. I'm just someone with a sane enough mind not to compare or see any relation between an MMO and killing 200 friends and burning down buildings in real life.
In the end it is just a game. I play to escape reality everyonce in awhile. If I was getting paid for it as my job my attitude might change but I would still not associate to real life.
The friends we make playing the game are on the other side of the computer not the avatar running around with all of your uber stuff.
I just finished giving all my crap away finally with the House Purge announcement.
I logged in to Eclipse and Bria and ran around for several hours a night for 5 nights.
Wednesday thru Sunday.
I know a lot of the current players like to proclaim how many people still play but I didn't see it.
I went to all the hot spots I could think of an other than AFK advertisers for Rares in Mos Eisley, there was nothing. No body anywhere on either server.
I know I only checked for a few hours a day for 5 days but it was pretty much the same times I played when I did actually play and it's very disappointing.
Another indicator is the Market. Once, when I looked at weapons with out any other filters there were nore pages that i could look through in a week. Now it's 3 or 4 pages. Same with everything else. I know a lot of the drops have eliminated the need for having to buy stuff but it just seems the market's are gone. That's an pretty clear showing to me that the game is empty.
I thought maybe everyone was on Mustbefar. Three people where there for the couple hours I sat there each night between my checking other spots periodically.
Out of all my friends that played. 2 still played. One was actually thinking of cancelling since in his words "The (SOE) devs would rather add the features they stole from us with the NGE than actually fix any of the issues or bugs their stupidity introduced and I'm getting sick of it." My other friend is just to stubbord and quite possibly to stupid to quit while the quittings good.
I've told him so too. He just laughs and says "I know, I know!"
To bad, I probably could have played SWG until they turned the servers off if they'd just fixed the bugs and quit screwing with combat.
*sigh*
Well apparently not everyone feels the same way you do so that obviously makes them an idiot to you?
Relent dirtyd77. Your opinion is noted now stop trying to demean others feelings regardless of how "silly" you think they are.
I think the "killing friends and burning down buildings" thing was an analogy to convey the severity of Fraya's feelings about what happened. I could be wrong but I doubt it was meant as an actual comparison with those things actually happening.
To many though that's exactly how it "felt" to them. They obviously invested a lot more into the game as it was than you did. Right or wrong it's how they felt. Dismissing it is a mistake.
My 2 cents.
Have a nice day
Hey Isk, I dunno if you remember me, Boaz here from SBG. I know how you feel. We us old SBG members logged in to have a little fun with our old city. We held it hostage on the forums for about 2 days, until the mods started deleting all my posts. They said I was trolling because I put a post up everyday saying, "Capture of Spaceball City: Day 2 (or w/e it was)". I was actually enjoying the game, though i wasn't really playing and only having fun through the forums. (BTW I cannot stand the NGE, just to clarify)
But yeah, I completely agree I was absolutely shocked. I walked through theed during primetime to find absolutely nobody in the entire city one night. Another night I'd see maybe 1 or 2 people there. I think I saw 5 people at once one time. Same thing with MO, Coronet, Bestine, Eisley had the most i think. I remember times I'd pop into coronet or theed and get gunned down before I even loaded in because there were so many people. Let alone our base fights with a good 100 people on each side sometimes. Gosh so many memories. I always told myself that I'd play until the servers shut down or SWG2, but after NGE I left for WOW and never looked back.
Now I quit that cause it just got so repetitive, I've grown to despise the traditional MMO style. I guess I got spoiled with pre-cu swg. I loved the player created content and don't get me started about crafted armor being the best gear. It's the little things too, like the combat queue, I could actually focus on what was going on instead of looking at my cooldowns all the time. I raided from the time i hit 60 in WOW till now and absolutely despise it. It takes up way to much time, in SWG we could log on for an hour go raid AH or Sanctuary or something get some pvp in and then log off. Raiding in WOW you are stuck for like 3-4 hours straight and if you leave it can ruin the raid. On Bria if I had to go big deal. I was usually the only guy from my guild getting in on most of the organized pvp anyway. Gosh I could go on for pages and pages on how galaxies was better. Spying, the mere fact that you could have a spy in a reb guild and spying was actually needed was awesome. I loved getting the ID emails saying the rebs are gonna attack here and at this time. The grand strategy of it all was so great, and the propaganda on the forums just made it even better. You don't get that in a non sandbox game. And despite the problems that jedi caused (i'll be the first to admit that jedi were overpowered and I would take my doc/rifleman back in a second if it meant i could play pre-cu swg even without my old jedi) it was still fun being a pre-cu knight. Dangit I need to stop wishing they will bring it back, its not gonna happen. I seriously know about 20 people personally that I'm still in relative contact with that would go back to pre-cu in a heartbeat. What were they thinking?
The kind people of pre-cu swg have kindly spoken to you and given you their opinion and have taken their time to explain to you that is is not what it appears, it means alot more.
Unfortunately for you i have no respect for disgruntled retards who think that because its a video game it means nothing. WTF are you doing in SWG vet refuge, GTFO and stop posting, no one gives a rats ass what you think, because it is very clear you did not play swg pre-cu, for you would see it much differently. Just stop, stop while you're ahead.
Sorry all, for feeding the troll, but i felt compelled to inform it that usually you are intittled to your opinion, but when in fact it is a misleaded one and in the form of a flame, it is useless.
To SWGEmu!!!!!
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Couple of three things:
Checked out the free trial...
First, population still sucks, by all account. But population was a problem preNGE. It did make it worse, no doubt. Player cities have pretty much been empty since around the CU. I would be extremely surprised if there were 300 people online during primetime on Ahazi. It's probably about as good as it's going to get from here on out.
Second, the game seemed better than it was the last time I played. I still won't pay to play it, and won't even play if it was free. I've seen everything a thousand time, done everything a thousand times, and frankly the game is just boring. It was getting boring preCU. It was boring during CU. It's boring post NGE. It drastically needs new content.
Listen...
All you people screaming about player created content during preCU or CU really need to get your head examined. There was no more player created content then than there is now. It could be argued that there is (or will be) more player created content NOW with the upcoming abilities for players to name and place NPCs and such (kinda like a mini-Pex). Creating 'unique' template (that hundreds of other players had besides you - you are NOT a unique and beautiful snowflake, sorry) wasn't player created content no matter how much you tell yourself it was. Everyone laments about how you could explore preCU. You can still explore NOW. Problem is, you've seen everything a couple hundred times.
It wasn't a sandbox.
You want to be Uncle Owen?
Guess what. It was never taken away from you. You still can.
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If you hate it, get over it. Move on.
Oh hey man , yeah I do -- hope your well.
I miss the old Bria crew and the morning forums -- and playerbase, I agree that it's all gone.
I had some dancer tell me yesterday that he is killerz" at pvp.... At that point I think I wanted to just smack him.
Things are so different then what they were.... so basic, so simple, so broke on the basic level.
This CH shit that Blix is bullshiting people into is sad, they took it out -- told us it was stupid and now are bringing it back because its a last ditch effort.
At this point they need to wrap it up and fix bugs only and let it die.
Its lifespan is over, the NGE cashed this cow in faster then it should have but man its done.
Just go look, its like a sad ghost town now.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Spat old friend I had to.
I had to see this for myself...
It is sooo freaking sad to go to city to city, place to place and see it now.
...SOE should be ashamed of themselves.
I occasional check on SWG as well. If you were to login and send a tell or mail to me (mindspat) I personally would not recieve right away even though you could see the green Rodian running around on Bria; be nice if you send a PM.
Once ever 4-5 months I'll pop in to see how things have changed. It is *NOT* to my liking. The entire game is a pale comparrison to what it was pre-cu. There's no arguement there.
The problem I see at this point is that there's been lots of contacts I've made playing SWG where I can honestly say I've come to respect and view some of them as friends. This is why I am concerned. Let it go. As I would tell a friend who's still upset upon their girl friend, or boy friend, dumping them almost 2 years after it happened, there's better things to enjoy...
And just for kicks and nostalgia, anyone remember this:
Crap too long to PM, I just have to post it then.....
I don't expect you to take my word on this but I will share with you what I was told by a friend of
mine who works for SOE. I can't give you any more detail like his position, department, etc for
fear of him being identified. They apparently are bound by some air-tight non-disclosure
agreements.
Below is what I was told:
Apparently, the NGE has really, REALLY stirred things up in Austin. All sorts of fingers are being
pointed among SOE employee's as nobody wants to take the blame. Right now EVERYONE is trying to
distance themselves from being responsible for making ANY decsions on pushing the NGE live. Every
single employee is avoiding any connection to the NGE like the plague. I was told that the Dev's
expected SOME account cancelations when the NGE went live, but my insider said they were willing to
take those vet losses with the hopes of bringing in new subscribers over the holiday sales season.
Also, the devs were counting on most of the threats by vets to quit to not actually go thru with
cancelling. They have admitted, at least internally, that they number of cancels has FAR FAR FAR
exceeded the number they were willing to take. As a result, there is beginning to be some serious
discussion of a pre-NGE rollback. Several dev's are in serious jeopardy of being fired, and many
many many of the support staff etc are polishing up their resume's because SOE has become the
laughing stock of the online gaming community. No longer is it a badge of pride to work for SOE
according to what I was told. Even my friend says he is no longer proud of working for SOE because
of how they have destroyed their reputation.
Also, after having to report to LA on the NGE results, specifically the account cancels numbers,
some of the big dogs from LA have flown into Austin for some serious intervention. No details on
what that means yet, but it is known that Smedly and the senior crew at SOE have been behind closed
doors for unusually lengthy meetings and have emerged with scowls on their face. The speculation
is that LA is gearing up to crack down big time. (I would love to have been a fly on the wall in
those meetings)
Because of the signifacant loss of subscriptions, customer service has laid off 25% of their
support staff starting the 1st of January with more cuts expected.
All in all, the NGE turned out to rock the player base more deeply than what they expected. Talks
are now underway on cutting the game off sometime in the first quarter of 2006. There is
discussion with an outside company that is interested in purchasing the pre-NGE code with the aim
of running a handful (5 tops) of pre-NGE servers, and maintained with a skeleton support staff.
Right now this is apparently looking to be the most realistic result.
I will post more info as I hear stuff.
Added stuff:
Oh, and my insider said the Devs are being intentionally vague on their forum posting and player
communication because they want to keep as many subscribers as possible right now. A memo was
passed down to ALL Dev's by the SOE execs with a list of topics that are completely not to be
discussed or responded to on the forums. It is generally feared by the SOE team that the more info
the player base has, the more of them will quit the game.
Also, the game WAS in the pre-development phase on porting to consol (xbox, playstation), but that
those cycles have been 100% stalled at the moment because the future of SWG is so uncertain. But I
was told that if any Dev posted or said that consol talks were never taking place it is a lie
because significant discussions had already been underway with the design teams experienced with
porting PC games to consol systems and that the NGE was partly (not entirely) designed to acomplish
this objective.
We had this ability Pre-CU, including laying down crashed vehicles (and many other "Set" pices), Placing NPC's with user made dialog, Placed flags, and chests that you could put items inside... So, this was in game Pre-CU, if its just now coming back...well..thats sad.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
We had this ability Pre-CU, including laying down crashed vehicles (and many other "Set" pices), Placing NPC's with user made dialog, Placed flags, and chests that you could put items inside... So, this was in game Pre-CU, if its just now coming back...well..thats sad.
Yep. I used these tools a few times myself.
I have toons on Starsider, Ahazi, Intrepid, and Kauri.
These sometimes say medium they are dead maybe 100 on line at any given time but ussally less than that.
Went to Bria with a new toon, come on if you call that heavy its a big lie there used to be more people just at the MO on Dant. than that.
This summer will spell the doom for SWG
1. Huxley
2. Tabula Rasa
3. Priates of the Burning Sea
4. Gods & Hero's
5. Then AGE of Conan in November.
These should finally kill SWG to the point of near collapse.
My thoughts deal with them.
Ajax
Ajax
We had this ability Pre-CU, including laying down crashed vehicles (and many other "Set" pices), Placing NPC's with user made dialog, Placed flags, and chests that you could put items inside... So, this was in game Pre-CU, if its just now coming back...well..thats sad.
All of the Event Perks are still there, they never took those things out to begin with. They are just adding more features to it (sounds almost like the Ryzom Ring feature of SotR). Here are a few excerpts from the stratics chat:
<Brekkee> *DalakG* what will story teller actually do?
<SOE-Shadowbrak> *DalakG* Storyteller is an enhancement on our player event perks. Through this system you can place NPC’s with storyteller determined levels, names and loot items, various props and even special particle effects.
<Brekkee> *Knai_Bria* What new event perks will there be coming with the new story teller feature?
<Pex> The big addition to Storyteller is the ability to spawn attackable mobs and trigger one-time particle effects. You will also be able to move objects in the world similar to inside a house. As for new objects, the aforementioned crashed transport will be available as will the YT-1300, 2400 and more.. We will be adding more items over time.
<Brekkee> *[Bloodfin]Ledford* We havn't heard much about Story Teller, we can we plan on hearing something about it?
<DeadMeat> We will be having a Friday Feature on Story Teller soon. Suffice it to say that it is a very flexible system for creating cool stories. Most things are world builders can do, you will be able to do.
<Brekkee> *[Kettemoor]-Mathayus* How is the Story Teller being classified, expertise, or just abilities?
<Pex> Storyteller is technically item based. Anyone will be able to use Storyteller items. Tokens will be purchased in a similar fashion to the Event Perks. Expertise will not be needed, nor will abilities be put towards this system. We want roleplayers and combat-oriented players to have the ability to set up their own events.
<Brekkee> *Duragoth* Will the "Storyteller" event perks be stackible? (or rather to say, will we beable to place one event on top of the other, or will they have to be placed next to eachother like the current event perks)
<Pex> The placement restrictions on Storyteller have been loosened up significantly. We do have to check against you losing an item inside another item.
<Brekkee> *avamie* will the story teller be ableto create dungeons to run through? if not, where will they be able to spawn mobs?
<Pex> We do not currently have dungeons or bunkers planned for storyteller. The Storyteller MOBs can be spawned in the wild and in areas where you have zoning rights. Basically, anywhere you can place a house.
<Pex> Overall, setting up objects should be much easier and similar to placing items in a house.
<Brekkee> *Guest64* What player dropped Npcs and loot can we expect to see with the storyteller additions?
<Pex> We don't want Storyteller to be a system that people exploit.. MOBs are meant to be fun combat encounters and not as a way to grind levels.
<Pex> You can add an item from your inventory to a Storyteller MOB, but normally they will not provide XP or loot. If they did you would just grab tokens and gank mobs in front of your PA hall.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"