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Too all the newbs who have never played Gemstone3/DragonRealms
nigling
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If you have never played Gemstone3/DragonRealms or any of the other 4 games they develop then don't disrespect Simutronics commitment to gaming. Trust me when I say "Gemstone4" complexity and gameplay is 100 times far better than Newb games like WorldOfWarcraft. The only game's that came close to GS4/DR was EQ and AsheronCall.
Because the gameplay and charachter complexity is easier to establish in a MUD it will require even more effort to replicate it for an MMORPG game. If Hero's Journey is even half as complex as GS4/DR MUD game was then this MMORPG will blow all the other games outa the water!!!
Look at all the chump MMORPG games coming out in 2007, 'pirates of the carribean', 'LOTR', etc.... NONE OF THESE games will have an impact to the MMORPG genre. When HJ comes out, it'll become the next EQ that everyone's been waiting for! So if it comes out in 2008, its worth the wait.
Because the gameplay and charachter complexity is easier to establish in a MUD it will require even more effort to replicate it for an MMORPG game. If Hero's Journey is even half as complex as GS4/DR MUD game was then this MMORPG will blow all the other games outa the water!!!
Look at all the chump MMORPG games coming out in 2007, 'pirates of the carribean', 'LOTR', etc.... NONE OF THESE games will have an impact to the MMORPG genre. When HJ comes out, it'll become the next EQ that everyone's been waiting for! So if it comes out in 2008, its worth the wait.
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It just isnt THAT cool to play a MMO that is really hard to understand.
Kinda nice that complexity seems to scare brats and annoying ppl from the game tho :P
totally agree
except for the WoW part...
totally agree
except for the WoW part...
Yeah well thats a matter of personal taste :PFact remains having watched HJ progress it's not going to be even as complicated as EQ1 ever hoped to be. Plus having been staffed with mostly volunteers and out of work house wives and under aged RPG chat girls, it won't be much of anything really. It's going to play just like WoW and every other MMO out there. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the game has done failed before it even got to beta. If that's your expectations.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
I love reading your post! It's very much like watching Jerry Springer. No matter how tough life gets, I can always look at your post and think to myself, "At least I'm not that guy!"
By the way. When you say, "Fact remains" in your post ... your reader tends to expect "Facts" to follow. But hey, perhaps that's just my opinion.
Jonny
I love reading your post! It's very much like watching Jerry Springer. No matter how tough life gets, I can always look at your post and think to myself, "At least I'm not that guy!"
By the way. When you say, "Fact remains" in your post ... your reader tends to expect "Facts" to follow. But hey, perhaps that's just my opinion.
Jonny
Yeah, a lot of people apparently slept through the discussion on fact vs opinion in high school.
Agent_X7 AKA J Star
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I love reading your post! It's very much like watching Jerry Springer. No matter how tough life gets, I can always look at your post and think to myself, "At least I'm not that guy!"
By the way. When you say, "Fact remains" in your post ... your reader tends to expect "Facts" to follow. But hey, perhaps that's just my opinion.
Jonny
Okay, three part post.
One, thanks for reading all of my posts and offering a thought my way. Until today, I've never gave two (censored) to who you ever were. After this post I believe it'll return to such thinking.
Two, I thought MMORPG was going to actually pick up writers for their staff?
Three, debunk me. What's not a fact? Opinion? House wives and gamer girls? Ya think? Debunk me. Just find actual facts to the contrary and share. I'd love to be proved wrong by such witty people with so much free time and blind faith.
Consider it a challenge gentlemen.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
Well Bernie - maybe you could provide some facts, links etc instead of just stating your opinion.
With the dual-class system you might say it will play something like Guild Wars - but to me it seems nothing like WOW.
With the character customization alone its like no other mmorpg you mentioned.
Moving to a new building and doubling their staff on the game
Yep - sounds just like every other mmorpg out there. And if you believe that I have some nice swamp land to sell you.
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[quote]Originally posted by jgankum
Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!
Seriously though, the burden of proof is on you. Your the one making the claims, so you prove they are true!
Blind faith, huh? I didn't hype the game. I just implied your a clown and said you don't provide facts.
Considering your posting and responding to this thread as well, you might want to reconsider what your trying to imply here.
Jonny
I love reading your post! It's very much like watching Jerry Springer. No matter how tough life gets, I can always look at your post and think to myself, "At least I'm not that guy!"
By the way. When you say, "Fact remains" in your post ... your reader tends to expect "Facts" to follow. But hey, perhaps that's just my opinion.
Jonny
Okay, three part post.
One, thanks for reading all of my posts and offering a thought my way. Until today, I've never gave two (censored) to who you ever were. After this post I believe it'll return to such thinking.
Two, I thought MMORPG was going to actually pick up writers for their staff?
Three, debunk me. What's not a fact? Opinion? House wives and gamer girls? Ya think? Debunk me. Just find actual facts to the contrary and share. I'd love to be proved wrong by such witty people with so much free time and blind faith.
Consider it a challenge gentlemen.
There is nothing to debunk. You don't have any sort of factual information, just pathetic attempts to get a rise out of people.
Oh, wait, Eburn. I get it. How droll.
Agent_X7 AKA J Star
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Since I've met at least some of the GMs that are working Hero's Journey. I can state that none of the ones i knew were underage RPG girls, in fact you have to be 18 to sign the NDA so that 'fact' is wrong.
I'd respond to a few of your other 'facts', but I didn't actually see any facts in your post.
By the way, I disagree with the original post in this thread also. People do have a right to form their opinions, and just because Simu can make outstanding text based games, that says nothing about thier skills at making a graphical game. There are some serious issues with trying to allow 'roleplaying' and character customization (Both strengths in the Text games) into a graphical game.
I do wish them the best and hope to see this product soon.
PinTBC
Great call - one is a released game (mud), the other is in development (mmorpg).
If its like all the other simutronic's games then the problem will not be the game so much as the people who run the game. For one, only the top developers/staff have an actual job at simutronics and gets paid. The rest of the people working on development of the game or in customer service are volunteers. This also means that the majority of the people that work on HJ will have real jobs that intefere with their volunteer job working for Simutronics. This doesnt sound too bad until projects are constantly delayed or altogether forgotten when the volunteer worker has too many real life obligations. Simutronics always promises or announces new systems and/or big releases but only a tenth of what they say may actually make it into the game and become actual content while the rest will remain either untouched or swept under the carpet of obscurity never to see the light of day.
Heroes Journey has been in development since 1999 and still hasnt come close to beta. If you are expecting an MMO with the atmosphere of a true RPG similar to GS4 or DragonRealms, I think you should wait a few years after HJ's release for the platinum server that will cost you around 50$ a month, that is if HJ is still around. But then again, if Simutronics can get people to pay 50$ a month for a MUD, maybe they can get blood from a stone.
Actually DR has been having insane amounts of updates lately. It's really nice.
(Oh yeah I totally (and finally) made a new username since MMORPG never changed over my old one like I asked.)
Roooly?
What's been the big updates?
I've been studying and doing photography work so much lately that I've had no real time to read up on sites and forums and whatnot. I've been really hanging to go back to DR again (and not played any MMOs since last year due to complete loss of interest) but finding the time is the hardest part. I've not gotten to play a whole lot of DR; only a few months at a time, a few times, if that makes sense.
But it's still the best 'mmo'ing experience I've had in 5 or more years of MMO'ing.
Do you have some links to updates etc by chance? Would love to see what's going on there.
I'd look myself but I need to hit the hay asap sadly..
I hope everyone is doing well, and hello to all the Simu staff slaving away on whatever project the Gods have you doing!
- PS - Am an Empath.
"(The) Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude." - George W Bush.
Oh. My. God.
Now, if only I could find the time to play some..!!
"(The) Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude." - George W Bush.
Oh. My. God.
I never said they didnt recieve updates (which are usually bug fixes), its the larger projects that are often delayed nearly indefinitely or scrapped altogether. In DR, the "new" area, the fifth province, was promised 'soon' in 1999 and it finally opened in mid 2007. As a note on speedy updates, after 10 years of long term experience gain, they will now implement a system to limit the amount of experience one can gain over a set period of time. DR was also promised a new guild, but when the one volunteer that was going to create the guild left because being a volunteer wont feed your family, the idea was scrapped.
If you are expecting a game that is constantly adding new content and not just bug fixes, then I think you will be sorely disappointed.
ps. As I stated earlier, the game was first pitched back in 1999 and has yet to even have a closed beta.
If you are expecting a game that is constantly adding new content and not just bug fixes, then I think you will be sorely disappointed.
ps. As I stated earlier, the game was first pitched back in 1999 and has yet to even have a closed beta.
Your views were valid in the past. If you want to ignore the fact that people are telling you it's not like that anymore, well then your just being pig headed. I've been playing DR since it was only available on GEnie. The level of service and work is NOTHING like you remember. The DR team is fantastic these days.
So Savants and Monks have been released in GS?
I bet it will be an hell of an impact...
Good and easy for undertand GamePlay is NOT bad...
Unless you are stupid...
Two things:
1) No, he didn't.
2) No, it wasn't.
Notice all the devs do when they come in is defend themselves? They're worse than policians. Come in, tell us everything is fine, and go right back out again. Why not just admit that Simu has an incredibly bad habit of giving false hopes. These false hopes make your customer base get frustrated and leave. You simply can't pull this same shit when you have an MMO, or you won't make any money off of it.
When you promice something, you need to STICK TO IT. There is no 'unless', no 'but', no 'if', no quantifer after that statment guys. It's just fact. If you don't your customer base will stop trusting you, feel just as hurt and betrayed as I do being a long-time Simu fan. You will still have fans, but fans don't pay the bills. I really enjoy your work, but you guys are your own worst enemy.
If you are expecting a game that is constantly adding new content and not just bug fixes, then I think you will be sorely disappointed.
ps. As I stated earlier, the game was first pitched back in 1999 and has yet to even have a closed beta.
Your views were valid in the past. If you want to ignore the fact that people are telling you it's not like that anymore, well then your just being pig headed. I've been playing DR since it was only available on GEnie. The level of service and work is NOTHING like you remember. The DR team is fantastic these days.
I've been playing since AOL and just quit as of a few months ago. My points are as valid as ever. If you want to speak currently, then you only have to look what happened to weapon forging. The system is broken and will remain broken until the system is completely rewritten.
Making a very long story short:
The Original Necromancer team, for various and sundry reasons, never followed through or completed the guild. I had been given reports that there were large portions of the work finished, at least to some degree. At one point, I was informed that there was at least one guildleader that was able to be asked for abilities and spells. However, a large portion of work that was supposed to have been completed or near completion was apparently never uploaded and "lost" due to "catastrophic hardware failure" or somesuch and there seemed to be no interest in attempts to recover or re-create said code, so what we currently have in the development instance of DR is it.
A second GM wanted to pick up where the first team left off, but is no longer with us, at least for now.
I have had at least two other GMs express significant interest in picking up the project. That's where we stand now and the first task of those GMs, or any other GM who adopts this project, is to inventory the status of the code, NPCs, Areas, etc. and see what needs to be done.
Solomon
My apologies, the guild was not scrapped but the original "team", which was one person, never uploaded their work and the machine the work was never uploaded to self destructed...
But now you have people who are "interested" in picking the project up? Lets see... work started in 2002, zilch to show for it now, one missing person whom never left but isnt there... so by my calculations the new guild should be out the same time the Mayan calendar predicts the world will end in 2012.
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