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is anyone about ea being involved?

after ea screwed up battlefield 2. Then screwed up bf 2142 ( banned thousands of cd keys for no reason...then wanted to charge to replace them.)

Is anyone even slightly nervouse about their involvment here?

The only thing ive ever seen from ea is bug filled games where no fixes are ever made. Players are banned for no reason (ea got in trouble for this). Worst of all is their customer service.

Even though im looking forward to this game I hope EA is minimally involved with it
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  • zevianzevian Member UncommonPosts: 403
    ea ruins games, hopefully their just providing the backbone. and dont have any say on the games dev.
  • WerppaWerppa Member Posts: 211
    Mytchic is still the developer and that's it

    "I actually cook my meat with nothing but my burning hatred for vegetables"

  • AramathAramath Member Posts: 161
    Originally posted by julrichh

    after ea screwed up battlefield 2. Then screwed up bf 2142 ( banned thousands of cd keys for no reason...then wanted to charge to replace them.)

    Is anyone even slightly nervouse about their involvment here?

    The only thing ive ever seen from ea is bug filled games where no fixes are ever made. Players are banned for no reason (ea got in trouble for this). Worst of all is their customer service.

    Even though im looking forward to this game I hope EA is minimally involved with it
    EA is funding the project, Mythic is handling the development.  Who will be handling the day to day?  That is the question.  If it is Mythic, there are no worries.  I played DAoC off and on for 3 or 4 years.  I never had a billing or out of game incident with them.  If it's EA, well, then you might want to worry.  Of course, if Mythic has their back side development built up properly, any monkey could handle the day to day and there should be no issue.
  • SickpupSickpup Member Posts: 382
    They had to make a deal with the Devil,they picked the biggest.Would you rather M$ bought them.EA will hopefully use it's marketing might to get us a good player base numbers wise.I know EA is already pushing some mythic resources towards UO.Im sure EA has their productivity commisars in place at mythic.



    Imo, good for the gamer

    terrible for the rank and file mythic employee
  • kraidenkraiden Staff WriterMember UncommonPosts: 638

    LOok at it like this.

    Your selling lemonade at your stand on the corner. The guy across the street, sees you make good drinks and offers to give you money to buy better watter, more ice, imported Brazillian sugar, and Florida lemons in exchange for splitting the proceedes 50/50 and you becoming partners.

    Now when your neighbor buys you out, hes not comming down to run the day to day operations with you, nor is he going to change your recipie since its what is making you make such good drinks. He is going to give you financial backing and procede to make money on his other ventures, but will keep close tabs on his investment.... he knows in the end he wants one thing. TO MAKE MONEY.

    I havent seen a single person that I knew from 5 years ago that worked at mythic fired... ok thats a lie, but that person was gone  before EA came. Anyway, EA didnt make sweeping changes, nor have any of the devs lost their positions.

    its a good thing for the game and for both EA and mythic!

  • LordcrapalotLordcrapalot Member Posts: 191

    You actually believe that EA banned thousands of BF2142 accounts for no reason what so ever?

    Sounds like you just have an issue with EA.

    The only thing I can see happening is that EA gives them an insane deadline which may mean that WAR is "uncomplete" at retail, but still theres a long beta stage.

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  • BodysnatcherBodysnatcher Member Posts: 141

    Now I want a glass of lemonade.

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  • julrichhjulrichh Member Posts: 100
    yes they did ban thousands of cd keys ...well actuall y it was punkbuster that did...But its a fact close to 5000 cd keys were banned, even balance ( pb company name) said it was beacuse of a bot that was selling cd keys...so they banned a series of the keys. Then they tell you to contact ea, who in turn tells you that you have to buy a new cd key for 10$. This has actually happened several times. I was just unlucky enough to be in 1 group of the banned
  • checkthis500checkthis500 Member Posts: 1,236
    Originally posted by julrichh

    yes they did ban thousands of cd keys ...well actuall y it was punkbuster that did...But its a fact close to 5000 cd keys were banned, even balance ( pb company name) said it was beacuse of a bot that was selling cd keys...so they banned a series of the keys. Then they tell you to contact ea, who in turn tells you that you have to buy a new cd key for 10$. This has actually happened several times. I was just unlucky enough to be in 1 group of the banned
    Sounds like you should be mad at people that bootleg and generate cd keys rather than the people that make a game worth bootlegging.



    I think piracy is a compliment.   I mean would you be searching high and low to get a cd key for "My Little Pony Online?"  (i would, but that's beside the point.)

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  • LuRaviLuRavi Member UncommonPosts: 239

    Just keep your eye out when you see the original Mythic employees quitting.

    Like when they moved the Ultima Online team from Austin Texas to Redwood City, California. They had a one year stipulation to stay on the Ultima ONline team thru the move. After that one year was over we saw about 4 people quit and leave, Speedman was one and Leurocian was another, Hanse went to work on The Godfather game then left EA as well. One other guy I can't think of but he was the lead voice at the EA Los Angeles Developer Meetup.

     

    Frankly the only people from Mythic that I know since I did not play DAoC was Mark Jacobs the CEO of Mythic, and Sanya Weathers the public relations person. Its very safe to say that Mark Jacobs has already been paid HUGELY with the Mythic  buyout to EA, so he must be still working for the love of the games being made and felt like it was a good deal at the time of acquisition

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063
    Actually, the OP may have a point.  While Mythic historically had good support, in the past year DAOC support has been rather weak.  I have a friend who had 4 accounts with them since the game started...never cancelled, never shared with anyone.  One day back in Sept of 2006 one of the accounts got hacked..... and he lost all his cash and items. 



    He called support they told him that account security was his own problem, not theirs, and they would not do anything to assist in recovering his lost items.  They even verified that all of the stuff had been transferred to a level one character on someone else's account (wouldn't tell him who of course) but they would not do anything to fix it.



    That is not what support would have done years ago as I knew people who had their stuff restored after someone deleted something on it. 



    So maybe this was the result of recent EA influence, and if so then WAR will be the poorer for it.  We'll just have to wait to see how it goes.



    BTW..my friend closed all 4 of his accounts.

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  • Death1942Death1942 Member UncommonPosts: 2,587
    from my experience with EA it has made (or funded) wonderful games.  granted they have screwed up some i think their rep remains somewhat good.  anyway i dont see them touching this game too much seems to me they are mooching off an MMO to see what kind of revenue they can net them and maybe release their own or fund more.  i would love to see EA flex its muscles and fund some more MMO and show WoW that the big companies want a share in the MMO market

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    -Changeable worlds
    -Solid non level based game
    -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads

  • Timberwolf0Timberwolf0 Member Posts: 424
    I'm scared of EA. Their objectives are to pump out games as fast as possible (look at the sims and the endless expansions for it) to reach the broadest audience possible and to minimize long term costs. I doubt they'll be willing to spend much after launch.
  • JetrpgJetrpg Member UncommonPosts: 2,347
    Originally posted by Aramath

    Originally posted by julrichh

    after ea screwed up battlefield 2. Then screwed up bf 2142 ( banned thousands of cd keys for no reason...then wanted to charge to replace them.)

    Is anyone even slightly nervouse about their involvment here?

    The only thing ive ever seen from ea is bug filled games where no fixes are ever made. Players are banned for no reason (ea got in trouble for this). Worst of all is their customer service.

    Even though im looking forward to this game I hope EA is minimally involved with it
    EA is funding the project, Mythic is handling the development.  Who will be handling the day to day?  That is the question.  If it is Mythic, there are no worries.  I played DAoC off and on for 3 or 4 years.  I never had a billing or out of game incident with them.  If it's EA, well, then you might want to worry.  Of course, if Mythic has their back side development built up properly, any monkey could handle the day to day and there should be no issue. Mythic funned a large precentage of the project already also.

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  • AgentSmithAgentSmith Member Posts: 58
    i trust mythic a lot more than i trust most developers. EA is just picking up the bill! Its like taking a really hot chick out for a drink...... sure you got to pay the bill but look what you get to hope into bed with later
  • AlienovrlordAlienovrlord Member Posts: 1,525

    EA is counting on Mythic to breath new life into Ultima too, so if they're smart they'll let Mythic do what they do best.

    Unfortunately, the gaming industy is full of publishers who are anything but smart.   But the merger occured months ago and we haven't seen anything drastic happen. 

    We just need to keep watching and see.

  • tnt5tnt5 Member Posts: 2
    When you're gonna see how they make their customer support decision, you gotta look at it from the point of view of the developer or who ever is in charge of overseeing the game.  You can't always believe everybody is "innocence" and so they have to make hard decisions for the good of everyone. But for the accounts that you guys said got hacked from other games, do you really think they actually got "hacked"?



    You really got to look at it critically, 1. Only way to access account is knowing the correct username along with the password, and for the password, if it is weak, then it can be guessed; now if you say hacking, I'm gonna guess bruteforcing to guess the password, which is not likely if the system have a timed out policy and the password is strong (and it's logged for review).  So but first, how would someone know another person username in the first place; he/she either mention it to someone or used malicious website or download a trojan / keylogger on their computer.

    2.  Every games have a policy saying that "YOU ARE" responsible for your own password and that it is securely strong enough and that you kept it safe.  If their database got hacked, of course they would know about it because it contains thousands of other accounts.

    3. If the problem is on their side, like leaking the username/password or database or weak in their security system to allow interception of logging, then it is mandatory for them to fix it.  Other than that, if the user exposed their account then they'll try to do something about it but you gotta remember it is the user's fault for not keeping their account safe in the first place.



    So there is no such thing as a real "hacked" account, and "hacking" isn't used correctly to its definition. 
  • phosphorosphosphoros Member Posts: 512

    Please also keep in mind. Games Workshop will pull the License if they are bothered by ANYTHING being done with their IP.
    Mythic has an excellent relationship with GW and EA is a long for the ride.
    I wouldn't worry about EA at the moment. Future games are another story though.

  • VolkmarVolkmar Member UncommonPosts: 2,501

    Yes, I AM worried about the whole EA thing. Mythic was bougth, it doesn't exist anymore as a corporate entity. EA created a new department called EA Mythic and placed Mark Jacobs to run it, fine.

    The problem is EA has a terrible record for Online games. UO is a ghost of its former self, Earth and Beyond was closed down even if it still had some 40k subscribers, yeah, not many, but still something. Sims online and motor city online were enormous flops...

    This could be the one to change the online fate of EA? I hope so and yes, I know they are lettng them work... for now. What if WAR is succesful but not "enough"? Then you will see EA's marketing department stomping right in.

     

     

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  • tikitiki Member Posts: 395
    no matter what anyoen says, Game Workshop has 10000000x more power than EA does with warhammer, the licences are in GW hands, if they dont like where the game is going and what EA is doing they can take the lisence to the game away.



    EA wants to make money and they know mythic knows how to make MMO's so they will let mythic make the MMO them and GW wants to make

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  • FreddyNoNoseFreddyNoNose Member Posts: 1,558
    How do you people make it through the day without killing yourselves?  You worry so goddamn much.
  • Death1942Death1942 Member UncommonPosts: 2,587
    Games workshop really like to keep their rep.  just look at the first warhammer online

    MMO wish list:

    -Changeable worlds
    -Solid non level based game
    -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads

  • anubisssanubisss Member Posts: 325
    Originally posted by tiki

    no matter what anyoen says, Game Workshop has 10000000x more power than EA does with warhammer, the licences are in GW hands, if they dont like where the game is going and what EA is doing they can take the lisence to the game away.



    EA wants to make money and they know mythic knows how to make MMO's so they will let mythic make the MMO them and GW wants to make
    Plain and simple.



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  • airborne519airborne519 Member Posts: 542
    Originally posted by Volkmar


    Yes, I AM worried about the whole EA thing. Mythic was bougth, it doesn't exist anymore as a corporate entity. EA created a new department called EA Mythic and placed Mark Jacobs to run it, fine.
    The problem is EA has a terrible record for Online games. UO is a ghost of its former self, Earth and Beyond was closed down even if it still had some 40k subscribers, yeah, not many, but still something. Sims online and motor city online were enormous flops...
    This could be the one to change the online fate of EA? I hope so and yes, I know they are lettng them work... for now. What if WAR is succesful but not "enough"? Then you will see EA's marketing department stomping right in.
     
     
    As much as I don't want to believe it.  I saw first hand what EA did to Earth and Beyond, I too am very afraid what they may do to this potentially great game...

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  • LuRaviLuRavi Member UncommonPosts: 239

     

    Actually you are way wrong about this So far Mythic has nothing to do with the creative content or direction of Ultima So far, as has been stated by Sanya Weathers Mythic's PR person, Kingdom Reborn and the first expansion Stygian Abyss is all under Aaron "Darkscribe" the current leader of the UO Team.

    Originally posted by Alienovrlord


    EA is counting on Mythic to breath new life into Ultima too, so if they're smart they'll let Mythic do what they do best.
    Unfortunately, the gaming industy is full of publishers who are anything but smart.   But the merger occured months ago and we haven't seen anything drastic happen. 
    We just need to keep watching and see.
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