Queer Studies!

noname12345 · April 2007

http://www.unh.edu/queerstudies/index.html

I was just browsing the courses from UNH and I saw this and I think it's kinda funny.

Also I saw this earlier: http://www.risingsunofnihon.com/2007/04/japanese_professor_tackles_sci.html: The study of "failurology"...basically why people F up. I hear Bush is going to be their test subject.

Draenor · April 2007

So what could I do with my degree in queer studies? Besides become an expert in all things queer I mean.

noname12345 · April 2007

good question.

DuraheLL · April 2007

really interesting... not

olddaddy · April 2007

Sounds like a program created so that NCAA athletes can maintain academic eligability........

"And now, introducing for Ohio State, with a 4.0 major in queer studies, Senior tailback Bubba Anderson".

Commentator John Madden: "What makes this guy so great is his ability to think quick on his feet, reverse direction, and hit the hole".

Commentatator John Madden: "Once this Ohio State quarterback gets down there under the center, he has a tendancy to pull out to too quick, and fumble the exchange."

MadAce · April 2007

You could become interior designer...

Enigma · April 2007

Originally posted by MadAce

You could become interior designer...

roflmao

upallnight · April 2007

Okay, I'll chime in here to give my queer perspective.

I think this is good and bad at the same time.

Good: It could show people that their perceptions of us are wrong. The same way that early civil rights movements shined a light on race issues, this could shine a light on what it means to be a gay person who (shockingly) actually has the same human desires as other people to help society and be a good person. In other words, it could open eyes to reality. The reality that we've been trying to show people for so long.

Bad: I really disagree with a lot of what happens once a movement has succeeded in its goal. Almost all the time a movement gets started under positive pretense but then doesn't know when to stop. After it's goal has been met it then morphs into a movement trying to stay alive and has a reverse effect from when it was started. In other words, movements like this don't know when to say when, call it quits, and celebrate their success. At this point, it is needed. But I predict there will come a day when us gay folk are accepted (for the most part) and have our rights protected. I just hope when that time comes we can then enjoy our acceptance and not have this as a burden trying to then suddenly keep us separate.

Enigma · April 2007

Some of my good friends are gay and I understand what they are going through as I have had hours of discussion about this subject with them.

However, spending about 20 grand on a degree to learn about homosexuals seems to be a little odd. It makes no sense. You'll never get a job with that degree....its about as worthless as a Music Performance degree or a degree in Philosophy.

I think you can learn all you need to just by talking to someone who is gay or googling your research.

I wonder if this degree program will even succeed because it sounds like a money trap to me

upallnight · April 2007

Originally posted by Enigma

Some of my good friends are gay and I understand what they are going through as I have had hours of discussion about this subject with them.
However, spending about 20 grand on a degree to learn about homosexuals seems to be a little odd. It makes no sense. You'll never get a job with that degree....its about as worthless as a Music Performance degree or a degree in Philosophy.
I think you can learn all you need to just by talking to someone who is gay or googling your research.
I wonder if this degree program will even succeed because it sounds like a money trap to me

It would have been nice to have someone come and talk to the counselors at my school who had this kind of knowledge. I look back on my schooling as the worse time of my whole life. The isolation, confusion, and fear was enough to make me literally sick a lot of times. Just to know that someone was there to talk to who could give me coping mechanisms would have been a great asset during that time. But instead I just walked around keeping a low profile and wondering what I did to ever end up in a situation like that. Thank God it's all over. But I still think it has had profound effects on everything from my self-esteem to my outlook on the world. I am still trying desperately to get over the pity party and feel good about myself. It takes a lot of time though when a person is submitted to something like that every day. It follows you into your adulthood.

noname12345 · April 2007

Originally posted by Enigma

Some of my good friends are gay and I understand what they are going through as I have had hours of discussion about this subject with them.
However, spending about 20 grand on a degree to learn about homosexuals seems to be a little odd. It makes no sense. You'll never get a job with that degree....its about as worthless as a Music Performance degree or a degree in Philosophy.
I think you can learn all you need to just by talking to someone who is gay or googling your research.
I wonder if this degree program will even succeed because it sounds like a money trap to me

Hey!!

i'm considering taking philosophy as my major. Seriously it is useful. It's a very difficult major and philosophy students score very high on LSAT, and GMAT and are more likely to go onto graduate school. Basically if you want to go on to a graduate school for law or business then you want you want to take philosophy, or physics/math.

Graduate schools for law and business generally want to see that you did a very difficult major and that you can do it well. Law schools always get criminal justice, and pre-law crap. What they want is someone who is different, who can deeply think, use logic and that's exactly what philosophy teaches among other things.

drdeth · April 2007

It's a dissection class and it's inhumane.

noname12345 · April 2007

Originally posted by drdeth

It's a dissection class and it's inhumane.

What is?

drdeth · April 2007

Queer studies isn't a dissection class? Maybe it's not inhumane....

//\//\oo · April 2007

It's kind of ironic how society separates homosexuals from heterosexuals based solely on sexual preference.

All of the homosexuals I've ever known were hardly different from straight people, only.. they preferred to have sex with males over females.

We don't segregate bisexuals, do we?

There are even "straight" males that actually like to have anal sex with females (I'm not one of them, but I'm not saying that it's a bad thing if you enjoy it.), which makes them hardly any different from homosexuals.

Another interesting thing: All of the homosexuals I've ever known told me that they would be willing to have sex with a female if they ever had to reproduce. It's not like homosexuals are from a different planet, it's just that they have different preferences from most other people.

Homosexuals don't deserve any regonition, special treatment, or even holidays, because they are nothing special: They're just people.

noname12345 · April 2007

Originally posted by drdeth

Queer studies isn't a dissection class? Maybe it's not inhumane....

Oh HAHA...I just got that now...that's good.

Unknown · April 2007

Look, if any of you guys need a class in queer studies there's a cheaper way. Just go downtown and look for the trannies, they can't charge more than $100 a 'class.'

And before you say it, I know a few transvestites who aren't into whoring, and I couldn't actually tell they were guys until they told me so. So yeah, they can be pretty hot, just roll with it.

upallnight · April 2007

Originally posted by Sawtooth

Look, if any of you guys need a class in queer studies there's a cheaper way. Just go downtown and look for the trannies, they can't charge more than $100 a 'class.'

And before you say it, I know a few transvestites who aren't into whoring, and I couldn't actually tell they were guys until they told me so. So yeah, they can be pretty hot, just roll with it.

Not all of us homosexuals are cross dressers. Actually, I would imagine it's a fraction of a percentage who are.

Maybe this class is very much needed. It could wipe out a few of the stereotypes.

Unknown · April 2007

Originally posted by upallnight

Originally posted by Sawtooth

Look, if any of you guys need a class in queer studies there's a cheaper way. Just go downtown and look for the trannies, they can't charge more than $100 a 'class.'

And before you say it, I know a few transvestites who aren't into whoring, and I couldn't actually tell they were guys until they told me so. So yeah, they can be pretty hot, just roll with it.

Not all of us homosexuals are cross dressers. Actually, I would imagine it's a fraction of a percentage who are.

Maybe this class is very much needed. It could wipe out a few of the stereotypes.

It was a joke, boss. Not all transvestites are gay, either, I know. In fact, most tranvestites aren't gay and most homosexuals aren't transvestites. I just like pushing the envelope to make homophobes uncomfortable. It's a hobby.

The point I'm making, through my typically callous humor, is that the best way to go learning about a group of people is actually meeting them. Unless this class offers a comprehensive history of homosexuality, from antiquity on through ancient Greece and the struggles of today, I don't see any merit in it. There are African American studies all over, but they were born from a very heated time and actually do offer some striking history and philosophy to back them up. Of course, the only thing I know you can do with a degree in African American studies is teach African American studies. That doesn't invalidate the class at all, just an observation.

I'm actually pretty suspicious of such a class. I don't think it could be very objective in this era, it would either swing totally against homosexuals or totally for them (and by for them, I mean against anything perceived as anti-gay, real or imagined).

upallnight · April 2007

Originally posted by Sawtooth

Originally posted by upallnight

Originally posted by Sawtooth

Look, if any of you guys need a class in queer studies there's a cheaper way. Just go downtown and look for the trannies, they can't charge more than $100 a 'class.'

And before you say it, I know a few transvestites who aren't into whoring, and I couldn't actually tell they were guys until they told me so. So yeah, they can be pretty hot, just roll with it.

Not all of us homosexuals are cross dressers. Actually, I would imagine it's a fraction of a percentage who are.

Maybe this class is very much needed. It could wipe out a few of the stereotypes.

It was a joke, boss. Not all transvestites are gay, either, I know. In fact, most tranvestites aren't gay and most homosexuals aren't transvestites. I just like pushing the envelope to make homophobes uncomfortable. It's a hobby.

The point I'm making, through my typically callous humor, is that the best way to go learning about a group of people is actually meeting them. Unless this class offers a comprehensive history of homosexuality, from antiquity on through ancient Greece and the struggles of today, I don't see any merit in it. There are African American studies all over, but they were born from a very heated time and actually do offer some striking history and philosophy to back them up. Of course, the only thing I know you can do with a degree in African American studies is teach African American studies. That doesn't invalidate the class at all, just an observation.

I'm actually pretty suspicious of such a class. I don't think it could be very objective in this era, it would either swing totally against homosexuals or totally for them (and by for them, I mean against anything perceived as anti-gay, real or imagined). Okay, I'm sorry. It's just that you'd be surprised at the stereotypes I have to deal with on a daily basis.

Actually, you seem pretty smart so you may not be so surprised, but it still amazes me at some of the things people believe are true about us.

I do sort of think a class like this might be useful though. I remember one day just being curious about gay people in history and looking it up on the Internet. I was completely shocked at some of the historically important people in history who were gay.

For instance, have you heard of Alan Turing? He developed a machine during WWII that cracked the German codes and pretty much won the war for the Allied forces. I had no idea that someone so important was gay. Of course, his reward for saving the western world was far from fitting for his accomplishments. He was forced to take hormonal treatments to decrease his libido and eventually he became so depressed from all the condemnation he killed himself. Great way to treat a person who helped save the world from the Nazis. He was in turn persecuted by people who acted like Nazis themselves.

Alan Turing

abbaba · April 2007

Kind of like ethnic studies and gender studies. The only job you can get in that field is to teach it.

Unknown · April 2007

Originally posted by upallnight

Okay, I'm sorry. It's just that you'd be surprised at the stereotypes I have to deal with on a daily basis.

Actually, you seem pretty smart so you may not be so surprised, but it still amazes me at some of the things people believe are true about us.

I do sort of think a class like this might be useful though. I remember one day just being curious about gay people in history and looking it up on the Internet. I was completely shocked at some of the historically important people in history who were gay.

For instance, have you heard of Alan Turing? He developed a machine during WWII that cracked the German codes and pretty much won the war for the Allied forces. I had no idea that someone so important was gay. Of course, his reward for saving the western world was far from fitting for his accomplishments. He was forced to take hormonal treatments to decrease his libido and eventually he became so depressed from all the condemnation he killed himself. Great way to treat a person who helped save the world from the Nazis. He was in turn persecuted by people who acted like Nazis themselves.

Alan Turing

That's alright, my sense of humor is sick and gritty sometimes. I have a hell of a lot of gay friends so your concerns are well known to me. I've seen alot of people treat homosexuality as an infectious disease, as if being in contact with 'a gay' will rub it off on you somehow.

I hear alot of debate about whether homosexuality is something you're born with or a choice. I guess people don't want to believe that God would make someone gay. I really care which it is, or even if it's both. The fact is that people consorting with the same sex does nothing to directly harm me, why should I care what the cause is? I don't even believe it's an aberration or something to fear.

One man I know insists homosexuality is a serious crime because it was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, and that it will somehow invite God's judgement. This is an interesting argument to me, because it has no basis in law. You can tell me it's wrong to commit murder, and you can show me a Bible passage, and then you can argue it philosphically and legally. When I press for such philosophical and legal arguments I do not hear any. I have no problem with laws based on religious teachings as long as they can be proven to not violate my existing rights. If you can argue that homosexuality should be repressed for profound moral and legal reasons, I will hear you, but so far I haven't heard an argument that means terribly much to me.

I have always been an outcast. People do not generally like me, because I do what I want regardless of social norms. How could I not view the average homosexual as in part a kindred spirit?

Aldaron · April 2007

Originally posted by //\//\oo
It's kind of ironic how society separates homosexuals from heterosexuals based solely on sexual preference.

All of the homosexuals I've ever known were hardly different from straight people, only.. they preferred to have sex with males over females.

I work in retail, hence we have a tendency to draw in homosexual men, it goes much deeper than, "I like to have sex with humans with a penis".

We don't segregate bisexuals, do we?

I'm sure some people do.

There are even "straight" males that actually like to have anal sex with females (I'm not one of them, but I'm not saying that it's a bad thing if you enjoy it.), which makes them hardly any different from homosexuals.

You think because some guys enjoy having anal sex with their ladies that somehow makes them gay? Uhhh...If their ladies are endowed with a stick and a couple stones, you may have a point, or if he likes for her to wear a strap-on while engaging in that act, you may still have a point.

But otherwise...That's absolutely inane.

Another interesting thing: All of the homosexuals I've ever known told me that they would be willing to have sex with a female if they ever had to reproduce. It's not like homosexuals are from a different planet, it's just that they have different preferences from most other people.

Homosexuals don't deserve any regonition, special treatment, or even holidays, because they are nothing special: They're just people.

upallnight · April 2007

Originally posted by Sawtooth

Originally posted by upallnight

Okay, I'm sorry. It's just that you'd be surprised at the stereotypes I have to deal with on a daily basis.

Actually, you seem pretty smart so you may not be so surprised, but it still amazes me at some of the things people believe are true about us.

I do sort of think a class like this might be useful though. I remember one day just being curious about gay people in history and looking it up on the Internet. I was completely shocked at some of the historically important people in history who were gay.

For instance, have you heard of Alan Turing? He developed a machine during WWII that cracked the German codes and pretty much won the war for the Allied forces. I had no idea that someone so important was gay. Of course, his reward for saving the western world was far from fitting for his accomplishments. He was forced to take hormonal treatments to decrease his libido and eventually he became so depressed from all the condemnation he killed himself. Great way to treat a person who helped save the world from the Nazis. He was in turn persecuted by people who acted like Nazis themselves.

Alan Turing

That's alright, my sense of humor is sick and gritty sometimes. I have a hell of a lot of gay friends so your concerns are well known to me. I've seen alot of people treat homosexuality as an infectious disease, as if being in contact with 'a gay' will rub it off on you somehow.

I hear alot of debate about whether homosexuality is something you're born with or a choice. I guess people don't want to believe that God would make someone gay. I really care which it is, or even if it's both. The fact is that people consorting with the same sex does nothing to directly harm me, why should I care what the cause is? I don't even believe it's an aberration or something to fear.

One man I know insists homosexuality is a serious crime because it was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, and that it will somehow invite God's judgement. This is an interesting argument to me, because it has no basis in law. You can tell me it's wrong to commit murder, and you can show me a Bible passage, and then you can argue it philosphically and legally. When I press for such philosophical and legal arguments I do not hear any. I have no problem with laws based on religious teachings as long as they can be proven to not violate my existing rights. If you can argue that homosexuality should be repressed for profound moral and legal reasons, I will hear you, but so far I haven't heard an argument that means terribly much to me.

I have always been an outcast. People do not generally like me, because I do what I want regardless of social norms. How could I not view the average homosexual as in part a kindred spirit? I always thought that Sodom and Gomorrah thing had to mostly do with being inhospitable and treating others with no respect.

Unknown · April 2007

Originally posted by upallnight

I always thought that Sodom and Gomorrah thing had to mostly do with being inhospitable and treating others with no respect.

See, that's sort of what I thought. The area was generally well known as a wretched hive of scum and villainy. When the angels came to see Lot the people wanted to rape them, and presumably did other things like rape children, goats, trees, breakfast cereal, and sand. Also I always assumed there was not one single 'sin' but a whole mess of nastiness there.

Of course I never did enter seminary. Not that it matters, you can't argue a law based strickly on biblical teachings no matter what they advocate.

Draenor · April 2007

Originally posted by upallnight

Originally posted by Sawtooth

Originally posted by upallnight

Okay, I'm sorry. It's just that you'd be surprised at the stereotypes I have to deal with on a daily basis.

Actually, you seem pretty smart so you may not be so surprised, but it still amazes me at some of the things people believe are true about us.

I do sort of think a class like this might be useful though. I remember one day just being curious about gay people in history and looking it up on the Internet. I was completely shocked at some of the historically important people in history who were gay.

For instance, have you heard of Alan Turing? He developed a machine during WWII that cracked the German codes and pretty much won the war for the Allied forces. I had no idea that someone so important was gay. Of course, his reward for saving the western world was far from fitting for his accomplishments. He was forced to take hormonal treatments to decrease his libido and eventually he became so depressed from all the condemnation he killed himself. Great way to treat a person who helped save the world from the Nazis. He was in turn persecuted by people who acted like Nazis themselves.

Alan Turing

That's alright, my sense of humor is sick and gritty sometimes. I have a hell of a lot of gay friends so your concerns are well known to me. I've seen alot of people treat homosexuality as an infectious disease, as if being in contact with 'a gay' will rub it off on you somehow.

I hear alot of debate about whether homosexuality is something you're born with or a choice. I guess people don't want to believe that God would make someone gay. I really care which it is, or even if it's both. The fact is that people consorting with the same sex does nothing to directly harm me, why should I care what the cause is? I don't even believe it's an aberration or something to fear.

One man I know insists homosexuality is a serious crime because it was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, and that it will somehow invite God's judgement. This is an interesting argument to me, because it has no basis in law. You can tell me it's wrong to commit murder, and you can show me a Bible passage, and then you can argue it philosphically and legally. When I press for such philosophical and legal arguments I do not hear any. I have no problem with laws based on religious teachings as long as they can be proven to not violate my existing rights. If you can argue that homosexuality should be repressed for profound moral and legal reasons, I will hear you, but so far I haven't heard an argument that means terribly much to me.

I have always been an outcast. People do not generally like me, because I do what I want regardless of social norms. How could I not view the average homosexual as in part a kindred spirit?I always thought that Sodom and Gomorrah thing had to mostly do with being inhospitable and treating others with no respect.

General sexual immorality, with particular emphasis on homosexuality and bisexuality...though certainly not exclusive to homosexuality and bisxuality, it does make a point that homosexuality was a big part of the sexual immorality that was going on.

I just wrote the word "sex" in one form or another 7 times in one sentence...do I get some kind of prize?

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