I'm with you Donna the rating for LOTRO is just fine - there is nothing new in LOTRO just fine tuning of features from other MMO's that have gone before and as for the graphics/sound ratings they deserve no more than you gave them
I think the monsterplay deserves kudos, there at least they've stuck their neck out and done something innovative and IMO it presents a practical solution to the PvP problem.
Seriously, a nine for role playing? Although, most of these games supposedly are roleplaying games, the truth is no one role plays anymore. Maybe a handful but for the most part not even that.
It remains to be seen if the RP remains in existance and at a high standard in general release, but LOTRO seems to have tapped into a rich vein of RPers, probably due to its lore. The EU has an official RP server and reports even from other servers show that RP is happening. Relative to most games that's a bleedin' miracle guv.
The only other game with more RP I've experienced was Ryzom, but part of the reason I left that game was that the RP was going by the wayside and they turned it into yet another PVP-fest. There's little risk of that here and a lot of Tolkien fans and RPers.
Originally posted by jdilling00 everquest clone, few bugs, you can level up a monster,
Finally someone states what EVERY MMo is a clone of! Finally someone not calling it some WoW clone. I'll take EQ clone any day since it is the longest running money making MMo on the market. I'll take a clone of a golden egg any day as long as its still a golden egg
I think this game sucks but who cares I dont and neather should you its just a reveiw get a life and enjoy your game or dont I dont care. this is just a stupid argument.
Sweet ZOMBIE Jesus, the Internet will whine about absolutely anything won't it?
There are, basically, two routes you can take in making a review.
Route 1: Treat it as an op-ed piece and saturate it with your opinion in an attempt to ENTERTAIN the reader. "The sound in this game licks sweaty monkey-balls."
Route 2: Try and provide unbiased knowledge of the game in order to INFORM the reader, cutting away the marketing hyperbole and the 'hating' that fans of other games immediately start spilling so that people can make up their own minds.
This review, and yes, it is a review despite not beating you over the head with a +1 bat of extemporising, clearly takes the second route. Given that it has only been out for a day and that the beta and preorder experience will be different to the live experience this represents, IMO, a good approach.
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I don't know about anyone else, but i read a review for opinions on something, not to learn about the topic. If i wanted to learn about it i'd go read the description for the product on the website/box/what-have-you. I don't read a review about a movie to learn what the movie is about (i can clearly learn that from trailers), i read them to see the author's opinions about it, how they felt overall about the movie. This "review" had no opinions about the product aside from the rating(i stopped caring about ratings for anything about 10 years ago). It did not influence my descision any more than going to the lotro website and reading the game info.
Which the relative meaning for review in this way is a critical examination. There was no critique in this "review".
I read someone's post that mentioned a suggestion for a few reviewers to rate games independently and then average the scores(i couldn't re-find the post so i couldn't quote, sorry). I completely agree. I think it would make the rating for a game more credible, and reflective of the staff's combined opinion about a game. Allow the reviewer to share their independant rating, but the rating on the MMORPG.com game list/overview should reflect the staff's combined rating(sorry if this is actually how you guys do it, but it seems like it isn't).
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Well, I'm not Nostradamus, but I foresee a certain "review" getting deleted and an actual review being posted soon... Hopefully by a neutral player, or at least by someone with a bit of perspective on things.
Hey, I am just waiting on a review. I just read 90% of that in the first few pages of the game manual.
It still is a review, its just that the review is of what is stated within the book. Felt like I was kinda studying for an exam re-reading that stuff.
Well, I'm not Nostradamus, but I foresee a certain "review" getting deleted and an actual review being posted soon... Hopefully by a neutral player, or at least by someone with a bit of perspective on things.
Hey, I am just waiting on a review. I just read 90% of that in the first few pages of the game manual.
It still is a review, its just that the review is of what is stated within the book. Felt like I was kinda studying for an exam re-reading that stuff.
I have read articles and reviews on MMORPG for a long time, but the past six months the quality og the writing has just continued a downward spiral till the point where it is not worth reading anymore.
As it is now, they should stick to delivering news and stop with the articles.
This review is perhaps not the worst example, only the latest in a long row. In a review, you write your opinion. That is the main thing in a review. While doing that, you try to cover as much of the game as possible. When that is done, you give scores based on the opinion you have stated in the review it self. This review failed to do that.
It did cover the basics of the game, but we really didn't hear much about the reviewers opinion. When we did, for example with the graphics and the sound, it really didn't match up with the score.
How can you say: "The world around you isn't the only thing to look at though. The clothes, weapons and people are all things that help the world come alive. Again the developers and artists have put together what was in the books along with their imaginations to come up with some stunning representations of what Tolkien put into his books." and then give it an 8 in graphics? What do a game have to do to earn a 9 then?
I can agree to some degree with the notion that the reviewer shouldn't look to other games to decide the score. But once you have a score on a review, it is bound to be related to previous reviews using the same score. Otherwise the score looses its value. It is the editors responsibility to ensure that the reviewers use the score as it is intended, so that it can actually be used a a measurement of the game. If there is a dicrepancy to scores given to other games, as I think there is in this case, he has to make sure that the reviewer at least gives a good reason for the score. Something this review totally lacks.
So in short: this review is bad, not because the score is low, but because the reviewer at no point in the review arguments why it should have that score.
All this is is LoTrO players crying about the score because this was the WoW killer and if they dont get a 10 then players wont join and there game will never be number 1 thats what this sounds like to me if you already own and play and love this game what does a reveiw matter
All this is is LoTrO players crying about the score because this was the WoW killer and if they dont get a 10 then players wont join and there game will never be number 1 thats what this sounds like to me if you already own and play and love this game what does a reveiw matter
Actually, it's about the review not being a review. Please, try again.
Agreed it's a wonderful game. But for a veteran mmo player it's same old same old, and I for one am looking for something new. I mean really how many EQ and WoW clones must we endure?
mermaids is being developed, should be right up your alley
can you smell that?!!...............there is nothing quite like it.....................the smell of troll in the morning............i love that smell.
All this is is LoTrO players crying about the score because this was the WoW killer and if they dont get a 10 then players wont join and there game will never be number 1 thats what this sounds like to me if you already own and play and love this game what does a reveiw matter
Actually, it's about the review not being a review. Please, try again.
I come here to get updates on games and to hear what players are saying I dont care about reveiws if I did i would never have played a game that wasnt a 9 or seen a horror movie or one of them great B movies I love the reveiw sucked who other than a bunch of fanbois care and as I wright this I relize im no better so this is my last stupid post on this stupid subject
Well Donna you basically blew it. Giving the game a 7.8 basically tells me you are just another clueless reviewer for MMORPG.
Not as if I am a fanboy, not even playing the game, but I did try out the beta, took all 7 classes to 15 and ran some of the higher level content. Quite obvious you did nothing of the kind. I find it extremely difficult to believe you played it as much as you said you did.
Is the game perfect, hell no, but a 7.8 for a game of this quality is absolutely pathetic, especially when you have far worse games with higher scores. I would be ashamed to put my name to such shoddy journalism.
Just like to know when MMORPG.COM is going to get some quality reviewers. The past series of reviews have been less than satisfactory. It is not just me complaining either, lot's of people who don't agree with me don't like them either.
This is too good a site to put up with reviews of such questionable quality.
After reading through all the bs (the posts, not review) all I have to say is, awesome review . Saved me from picking it up. I cant possibly play a game thats below the score of 8 and form my own opinion.
If you don't know the game before, you won't know it after
If you like the game, you'll find nothing in this description
if you don't like the game, it's the same
Take a look at official web site or box, there's more details on them.
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Change the names and you can use it for all MMORPG: try it , it's fun:
Overall DAOC/ WOW/SWG etc is a very good game in its current incarnation. There is much to do and plenty to explore. The game itself can be run on a very large variety of computers with specifications varying from basic to the most advanced. The client itself is very stable and will be familiar to many who have played other Mythic/Blizzard... games. Mythic/Blizzard etc has done a good job to create a world that is fun to be in and represents the Camelot/Star Wars very well in most aspects. The future looks bright for DAOC/WOW/SWG (etc). It will be an interesting game to watch in the coming months and hopefully years.
Its not too short if you compare this to something you would find in a magazine.
I think the score might be a little low when comparing to a few other recent MMORPG.com reviews...but not that far off really.
The problem as I see it is some of the other reveiws - for example the recent Dreamlords review
I think this got 7.6 - where as Lord of the Rings gets 7.8
Someone needs to play both games and tell me how did Dreamlords ever get 7.6 ?
Dreamlords is no better that a 5 out of 10 and personally I think Lord of the Rings is about a 8 to 8.5 out of 10
...but its all about opinions and I do respect the authors opinion here....where as the Dreamlords review was so bad.....(like 7/10 for roleplaying in a game you cannot really roleplay at all)
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It remains to be seen if the RP remains in existance and at a high standard in general release, but LOTRO seems to have tapped into a rich vein of RPers, probably due to its lore. The EU has an official RP server and reports even from other servers show that RP is happening. Relative to most games that's a bleedin' miracle guv.
The only other game with more RP I've experienced was Ryzom, but part of the reason I left that game was that the RP was going by the wayside and they turned it into yet another PVP-fest. There's little risk of that here and a lot of Tolkien fans and RPers.
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Then how does one cope with graphical inflation?
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I don't know about anyone else, but i read a review for opinions on something, not to learn about the topic. If i wanted to learn about it i'd go read the description for the product on the website/box/what-have-you. I don't read a review about a movie to learn what the movie is about (i can clearly learn that from trailers), i read them to see the author's opinions about it, how they felt overall about the movie. This "review" had no opinions about the product aside from the rating(i stopped caring about ratings for anything about 10 years ago). It did not influence my descision any more than going to the lotro website and reading the game info.
Furthermore, i submit to you the definition of review here dictionary.reference.com/browse/review
Which the relative meaning for review in this way is a critical examination. There was no critique in this "review".
I read someone's post that mentioned a suggestion for a few reviewers to rate games independently and then average the scores(i couldn't re-find the post so i couldn't quote, sorry). I completely agree. I think it would make the rating for a game more credible, and reflective of the staff's combined opinion about a game. Allow the reviewer to share their independant rating, but the rating on the MMORPG.com game list/overview should reflect the staff's combined rating(sorry if this is actually how you guys do it, but it seems like it isn't).
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If you can't beat 'em, hold 'em off 'till you come up with a better plan.
Hey, I am just waiting on a review. I just read 90% of that in the first few pages of the game manual.
It still is a review, its just that the review is of what is stated within the book. Felt like I was kinda studying for an exam re-reading that stuff.
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Hey, I am just waiting on a review. I just read 90% of that in the first few pages of the game manual.
It still is a review, its just that the review is of what is stated within the book. Felt like I was kinda studying for an exam re-reading that stuff.
Quick Start Manual, anyone?
As it is now, they should stick to delivering news and stop with the articles.
This review is perhaps not the worst example, only the latest in a long row. In a review, you write your opinion. That is the main thing in a review. While doing that, you try to cover as much of the game as possible. When that is done, you give scores based on the opinion you have stated in the review it self. This review failed to do that.
It did cover the basics of the game, but we really didn't hear much about the reviewers opinion. When we did, for example with the graphics and the sound, it really didn't match up with the score.
How can you say: "The world around you isn't the only thing to look at though. The clothes, weapons and people are all things that help the world come alive. Again the developers and artists have put together what was in the books along with their imaginations to come up with some stunning representations of what Tolkien put into his books." and then give it an 8 in graphics? What do a game have to do to earn a 9 then?
I can agree to some degree with the notion that the reviewer shouldn't look to other games to decide the score. But once you have a score on a review, it is bound to be related to previous reviews using the same score. Otherwise the score looses its value. It is the editors responsibility to ensure that the reviewers use the score as it is intended, so that it can actually be used a a measurement of the game. If there is a dicrepancy to scores given to other games, as I think there is in this case, he has to make sure that the reviewer at least gives a good reason for the score. Something this review totally lacks.
So in short: this review is bad, not because the score is low, but because the reviewer at no point in the review arguments why it should have that score.
DO YOU GUYS EVEN HAVE AN EDITOR?
How does this crap get through?
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can you smell that?!!...............there is nothing quite like it.....................the smell of troll in the morning............i love that smell.
I come here to get updates on games and to hear what players are saying I dont care about reveiws if I did i would never have played a game that wasnt a 9 or seen a horror movie or one of them great B movies I love the reveiw sucked who other than a bunch of fanbois care and as I wright this I relize im no better so this is my last stupid post on this stupid subject
Well Donna you basically blew it. Giving the game a 7.8 basically tells me you are just another clueless reviewer for MMORPG.
Not as if I am a fanboy, not even playing the game, but I did try out the beta, took all 7 classes to 15 and ran some of the higher level content. Quite obvious you did nothing of the kind. I find it extremely difficult to believe you played it as much as you said you did.
Is the game perfect, hell no, but a 7.8 for a game of this quality is absolutely pathetic, especially when you have far worse games with higher scores. I would be ashamed to put my name to such shoddy journalism.
Just like to know when MMORPG.COM is going to get some quality reviewers. The past series of reviews have been less than satisfactory. It is not just me complaining either, lot's of people who don't agree with me don't like them either.
This is too good a site to put up with reviews of such questionable quality.
this is NOT a review at all
This is a description, nothing else.
no interest at all.
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If you don't know the game before, you won't know it after
If you like the game, you'll find nothing in this description
if you don't like the game, it's the same
Take a look at official web site or box, there's more details on them.
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Change the names and you can use it for all MMORPG: try it , it's fun:
Overall DAOC/ WOW/SWG etc is a very good game in its current incarnation. There is much to do and plenty to explore. The game itself can be run on a very large variety of computers with specifications varying from basic to the most advanced. The client itself is very stable and will be familiar to many who have played other Mythic/Blizzard... games. Mythic/Blizzard etc has done a good job to create a world that is fun to be in and represents the Camelot/Star Wars very well in most aspects. The future looks bright for DAOC/WOW/SWG (etc). It will be an interesting game to watch in the coming months and hopefully years.
How in the world can you base your opinion of a game on such a poor review?
No mather what you think of the game , this review is lacking.
In fact it is more appropriate for gaming section of daily newspaper than a site specialised for MMO games.
Poor
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
Its not too short if you compare this to something you would find in a magazine.
I think the score might be a little low when comparing to a few other recent MMORPG.com reviews...but not that far off really.
The problem as I see it is some of the other reveiws - for example the recent Dreamlords review
I think this got 7.6 - where as Lord of the Rings gets 7.8
Someone needs to play both games and tell me how did Dreamlords ever get 7.6 ?
Dreamlords is no better that a 5 out of 10 and personally I think Lord of the Rings is about a 8 to 8.5 out of 10
...but its all about opinions and I do respect the authors opinion here....where as the Dreamlords review was so bad.....(like 7/10 for roleplaying in a game you cannot really roleplay at all)
See for yourself how bad this is - www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setview/reviews/gameID/259/loadReview/51/from/%2Ffeatures%2Ecfm%2Fview%2Freviews