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Would you still play if engine wasn't realtime?
Sickpup
Member Posts: 382
Real-time combat in an mmo,may be to hard to pull off.Dark messiah tried to with 32 players on low-ping servers and it was rough,most melee are useless vs strafing ranged toons.Personally Ide be happy with all the content/classes and a working regular mmo engine,just let us pick locations to swing at.I'm not sure who/what/why there out on a limb,over thier heads,trying to create an in-house engine that already exists in unreal 2.5/3.0.Imo the days of the dev making the game and engine are pretty much over and funcom really don't have the resources(staff of 150,game already delayed 1 year) to get very radical.
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I am not a big fan of the franchise and I will probably not get the game, but if they can pull it off, it will be something.
Real Time Combat may be the big selling point, but AoC has a hell of a lot going for it aside from that.
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Hemingway
Now im asuming realtime as in i shoot an arrow and it flies through the air allowing for it to miss the target or to be intercepted by another object.. along with mage spells casting fire or what not... if so .. then Asherons call does that and very well .. ive always enjoyed pvp where i could dodge the other players arrows or spells. made pvp more interesting then sit there and have your set of actions you perform with a mouse.. just my opinion though.. and if thats not what you mean by realtime.. my bad.
DaX
That is correct, all ranged attacks of any dort must be manually aimed. The only exception to this general rule is the fact that the server takes care of various details for you, such as automatically correcting for range/ wind factor to get the projectile to where you point. Arrows do not after all fly in a straight line.
Niether do bullets of course, but their rate of depreciation is insignificant for the most part.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
I really don't care how combat is done so long as it is done well. I love Half-Life (I know it's single player, but still), and I love it because the twitch FPS is done great. I love FF, because the turn-based stuff is done well.
It's all in presentation. I think some of the best games are not real-time for combat. But then, some of the best have been in real-time.
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There are plenty of MMO games with realtime combat and I cannot imagine playing an MMO with it. It seems that it will be much like playing a chess game, i.e. too slow.
ok,due to popular demand ill start using word and pasting my posts.Not sure if word can help tangile rambling but we'll try.
Sickpup, I've always wanted to say this: Learn to type goddamnit, I had to read your posts like 5 times to understand what you're trying to say and even now I don't understand half of your text. Anyways, just by looking the topic's title, I would say that it doesn't really matter to me whether it is realtime or not. I'm used to the old-school mmo-gameplay and it's fine imo
"I actually cook my meat with nothing but my burning hatred for vegetables"
NO...
then it would be the same crap and not a next gen mmorpg...
Btw there are games already with real time combat and they havent been that bad IE Neocron or Planetside..
Or look at counter strike or battlefield with a ping of 150 u can still aim and hit almost anybody...
they just gotta have a netcode like the one in counter strike the game compensates lag it better dont be something like Quake3
The problem with most real time melee games is that strafe and running backward speeds are just stupid. If they actually make them a bit more realistic with strafing and moving backwards then you won't be able to kite the axe wielding barbarian charging at you.
There is no way I would play this if they nerfed the combat system. I am so sick of the traditional combat model I could puke. DDO is fun to fill the time and I play PS alot as well.. i just love fun games!
There must be some secret method they are plannig on using to support battles that could easily have over 200 players,with over 200 npc's involved.To top it off theres alot of melee classes that will suffer most from lag and low framrate.I just don't see a major battle in which the majority of players can maintain a minimum of 30 fps.Only thing I can think of is there gonna use some serious servers and not put all the burden on the clients.
And as far as Conan having to be next ,generation It would actually be skipping a generation.Since imo the previous game that is closest to AoC is shadowbane,and that was a bust.But who knows,the Finns beat the soviets in '39,and brought us Nokia.Hopefully they will pull it off.
The sieges are basically their flagship.
I don't think they'd focus on that with their marketing if they weren't 100% sure that it is possible
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
"I actually cook my meat with nothing but my burning hatred for vegetables"
Don't put too much hype on this game. From the first day I read about this game's combat system, I already question how it is going to work on a MMO. I believe real time combat system could only work on LAN environment with less than 30 players in the same zone. Imagine how many players will be in a MMO and how the server can response to that many of player with REALTIME. Also, please note that MMO is assumed to have players from everywhere around the world. Think of a 3xx ms connection, how can they land a melee on another player if he is moving ?
but still, I really want they can do this, becoz it is really so bored on playing traditional online game like EQ and WOW. However, if they fail to make realtime combat, I won't even try this game. Not becoz it won't be a good game without a real time combat, but they SELL this game with this feature and finally failed to do this. I feel ashame for such developer/company and will not even pay them even $1 dollar.
For me, there's a lot of qualities in this game that I've found in other MMOs that I really enjoy (City Crafting a la SWG). I'd much rather invest my time into a game like this instead of a game like Warhammer where it's pretty much based on recycled conquest. As far as the real-time combat, I think it's one of those instances where it's just wait and see.
To me it's one of the mistakes Funcom is making, and I see it back firing. I just think the complaints about lag-kills will outnumber the praises for real-time hack and slash combat.
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uninformed poster are better off being silent....
Not sure I'm going to like this combat system.... taking a wait and see approach for now...
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Does that even make any sense? ur waiting for pvp but u dont care for combat system?
Combat system is everything ur going to do in the whole goddamn game unless ur some carebear crafter ;p
No way ill play this without the fps style real time combat system is what makes the whole thing more inmmersive
About the OP saying planetside is ranged, yeah it is ranged so are going to be Archers and Mages.... and about melee i have seen games implement melee perfectly knife works like a charm in counter strike... i have even seen mods implementing melee combat and it was okay...
It is one of their main features lol if by now it isnt working they would already announced something the game is in beta....