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The Official "I told you so" Thread
jonawiki
Member UncommonPosts: 41
For all us "haters" who were called trolls by the vanbois, this is the official "I told you so" thread.
Let me begin:
Vanguard would sink upon launch and not get anywhere near it's 500 k end-year subscriber goal? I told you so.
Sigil would therefore be forced into M&A talks with SOE? I told you so.
Come on folks, join the party ! 
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"At the very least, doing the wet towel snap should disconnect the nerves of the spinal column, causing total paralysis, thus enabling you to skin the bastard alive."
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"The key to wasting time is distraction. Without distractions it's too obvious to your brain that you're not doing anything with it, and you start to feel uncomfortable." - Paul Graham http://paulgraham.com/hs.html
Stop the dis'ing and gloating...there's enough troubles in life as it is.
BUT...there is now a huge amount of folks with this experience under their belts, and THAT will change things for future games. Developers are unlikely to get away with unfinished business again - there are too many bad memories out there now.
We may all be taking a break from these games - the pipeline is thin for the near-future.
Avatars are people too
But I do quite vocally state the flaws and crap.
Nevertheless that doesn't mean Brad should have to witness the sell-out of his "vision".
"WARNING: Spelling and grammatical errors intentionally left in document to test for Anal Retentive Trolls."
They are not "errors" if they were "intentional".
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Hah! Got One.
And if you must know, I type my reply and then post without proofreading it. Thus the "intentional" element, I intentionally don't check it for errors with the knowledge some will be left in the reply and eventually some anal retentive won't be able to resist trying to correct my error.
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"The key to wasting time is distraction. Without distractions it's too obvious to your brain that you're not doing anything with it, and you start to feel uncomfortable." - Paul Graham http://paulgraham.com/hs.html
/signed to OP comments.
Who the hell didn't see this coming my god. I just spent some time looking at how I went from fanboi to middle of the road to disappointed over a 365 day period from last year ish.
Wow, you said VG would be a flop, you must be psychic. That's like predicting the sun will come up, or that DD0 was a crappy game.
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"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
and i can also use all faces in my post.
i am uber right????
But I do quite vocally state the flaws and crap.
Nevertheless that doesn't mean Brad should have to witness the sell-out of his "vision".
Actually, this is something to cheer about. If more games that are pushed out, before they are ready, and fail; then perhaps we will see fewer companies trying to feed us crap and telling us that we'll like it if we just give it time. Instead of giving me crap, why not give me fillet mignon? Heck, I'd settle for a cooked patty as long as all the condiments are within reach.
Sorry, can you tell that I haven't had lunch yet?
Ya'know, from now on when someone sends me an email about why I don't post as much on these boards anymore, or why I don't hang around much anymore, I'm just going to point them to this thread.
This community has gone from supporting gamers who all had a love and passion from a genre of gaming to posting "I told you so" threads and filled with people who feel joy from other peoples dissapointment.
I havn't been a fan of Vanguard since release but for all those that still are and for those that feel it didn't pan out the way you would have liked, stick with it, don't let people like this have any sort of say in your gaming enjoyment and I wish you and your game all the luck in the world, I hope, seriously hope, things turn for the better for you.
To the OP, your as sad as they come.
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I'm married and have children and work the average 40 hour work week. MMORPGs are becoming more mainstream but for the past few years you only had two or three REAL choices for a MMORPG. So obviously I have a life and do not play 20 hours a day but if you pick one of these games, follow it for four to five years and invest alot of time/money joining a guild, getting a new PC, setting yourself a schedule to play etc then obviously you would like to see it succeed. Once you've followed two or three of these games and watched them release a buggy mess and/or hit the zapper then you become a little jaded and frustrated. I don't think you need professional help just because you invest time into a hobby and somehow it doesn't work out. It makes me a little angry. I'll be fine when I find something new that works.
I didn't play beta for Vanguard. I really didn't read too many posts on these forums, figuring it would be too difficult to weed through the trolls who never actually played the game - and the fanboys who would defend a mass-murderer, just cuz they had cool hair.
Anyway, I bought Vanguard and played it exclusively for two months. I also brought my guild from another game over to Vanguard. So, we were in a pretty good position - as we had 3 years of playing together to fall back on.
Well, it wasn't long before the members started dropping like flies. The first to quit the game, and rightfully so, were the people who simply could not play it. I can't really blame someone quitting a game that would require them to spend a couple thousand dollars to get a rig good enough to play it. So, they went back to a game they could play (on max settings, no less) - and frankly, the game they went back to looks 100 times better than Vanguard anyway.
Others stuck with Vanguard, and we levelled up. The one thing I noticed was that everyone always suddenly had better things to do than play. I gotta go walk my dog. I have to wash my hair. Snow needs shovelling. Time to do homework for college. American Idol is on TV. Be back in a bit, college lacross is on ESPN2. Gotta go scratch my lottery ticket. etc etc etc . . .
Ultimately, everyone in the guild stopped playing the game. We still talk on instant messenger and on our website, and the general consensus is simple . . the game is not very fun. Also, like me, many feel that no matter what is done to improve the game . . the core engine simply makes it impossible for the game to be anything less than archaic and not fun.
That being said . . . I sincerely hope that Vanguard survives. I am also glad for the people that play and enjoy the game. However, I would be remiss if I did not give my honest opinions about how bad I think the game is. By the same token, people who enjoy the game should also give their honest opinions. It's what the message board is all about. Frankly, these opinions ARE supporting this community. Very much so.
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Absolutely brilliant. I love how you're immediately gangbanged by the vanbois who viciously keep calling you a troll for your predictions (one of which, has now come true).
In retrospect, it only shows only delusional and mean-spirited the vanbois were. No wonder the rest of the interwebs hates VG and the vanbois so much !
After the savage insults anyone on the "ranting" side took when VG released - they deserve this one thread. Or, to put it a better way, the fanatics deserve this thread for what happened.
Perhaps the extremist posters just stand out more than they used to, but I still believe the community is there that you remember. And I don't feel that, outside the usual supsects who exist on ALL message boards, it's filled with people taking joy from other's dissappointment. It's disappointment (and let's admit, anger) in the developers, Sigil in this case, promising the moon and giving you a rock, while telling you it's really a moonrock, or it'll be on the moon soon(tm). The players KNOW whey they are getting lied to, and that, more than anything else, drives the current state of the community.
If the next wave of games are gems, you'll see the community swing back to happy folks.
So no, I don't think the OP is as sad as they come - far from it.
Avatars are people too
Those who have kept the "But... but I am having loads of fun" naivete can now enjoy the final breaths of this buggy stuttering grindfest of boring crashware.
Honestly, vanbois have a chance now: They will either raise their gaming taste, demand and standard or they will continue with the "we will worship and thank thee for every junkware you throw at us" attitude.
It is this attitude that gives developers the ride to release boring crankyware even in 2007.
'nuff said
CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
While WoW was in beta, the net was swarmed with POSITIVE beta leaks about players indicating how good the beta was, and how good the game was.
For vanguard, we either got negative leaks, or nothing at all.
As simple as that.
My addiction History:
>> EQ1 2000-2004 - Shaman/Bard/Wizard/Monk - nolife raid-whore
>> WoW 2004-2009 + Cataclysm for 2 months - hardcore casual
>> Current status : done with MMO, too old for that crap.