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The NEW Bio-Engineer / Beast Master System ROCKS!!!!
Realm-Reaper
Member Posts: 501
Well....We have a Complex game again!
I have been playing on TEST CENTER and I have to say that I have not seen a system this Complex and Interesting since PRE-NGE. There are so many different formulas and combinations to create thousands of diverse and interesting Creatures. It's like the old Ranger / BE days all over again.
I will go to a planet like Dath and spend hours collecting DNA samples and Enzymes from every creature on the planet. I bring my entertainer and set up large camps and invite the guild and we have a blast hunting anything and everything we can.
I have built a nice Lab in game and I go back with my samples and load them into my incubaters. The cool thing about this system is trying to figure out how to get a "MUTATION". If you can figure out the right formula, it is possible to create a very powerful beast. I have seen one CL3 beast on TC (maybe the first in game) it was taking down CL 15 MOBS...lol. So right now we are all working together to discover the secret. To be honest, I hope there is no secret. I hope the Mutation is rare.
Anyhow, after the incubation is complete, you hatch the egg and begin to raise your new pet. It is a very long and complex process and I am still learning. However, once your pet is full grown and has reached CL90 status , it is very hard to take down and they deal an enormous amount of damage. If you are lucky enough to get a Mutation during incubation, your pet will be even more powerful. I guess the new Pets are as Powerful as a Double Gold Elite Mob (the HAND or CAPTAIN spawn). Plus you can add mods, buff, revive and heal your pet.
There really is so much more to this system, I have failed to mention in this short post. All I can say is, I am having more fun now than ever!...You guys need to go to TC and give it a try!!!!
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Seriously, it will be just as bad as back when CH was the flavor of the month. Hell, one guy on my server even had his pet-attack macro yell "I choose you!". It was bloody ridiculous.
At least they didn't make it a new Profession, I guess. At least, that's what I've been reading, and I hope they stick with that. I'm not sure how many people will desire to spend all 45 Expertise points to be a Pokemon Handler. I know that I won't, and I've got a datapad full of pets from my CH days.
I'll hold final judgement for the final product, but given SOE's track record for SWG so far I'm not expecting good results.
At least someone can find a positive out of this mess. Unfortunately for me, it will take much much more than beastmaster to make it complex.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Hmmm.....
Well it is clear to me, that you have not played the NEW Bio-Engineer on Test Center. It has amazing Depth and Complexsity. There are Thousands of combinations and even more formulas. You need over 60 seperate items to engineer a single egg! If you don't do everything just right (the temp is off a degree...the nurtrient levels are out of line) the whole experiment can change dramatically. It takes days (not hours) to produce a finished sample...DAYS!!!....And this is not complex enough for you? Are you a Bio-Engineer in RL?
And that is the easy part...now you must feed, care, and train the animal. That process is as involed as building a seperate toon. It takes weeks of grinding. But not just grinding. You have to find out what your pet likes and dislikes. The planet, food, play, prey, and even something as small as going near an Entertainer can effect your pets development. You have to give your pet supplements, not just food. There is all kinds of things that come into play with this new system....I just don't see how you think this is not a complex system. You show me another system more complex than this one! The fact is, you have no idea because you have not played it...
..don't knock it until you try it.
So is this the only complexity they are bring back?
BE components for food and drink coming back?
are there patch notes that can be referenced for the test realm?
Thanks
This is it for chapter 6.....
However, the Droid Commander and Gardner are going to have the same level of detail. It is said the the Gardens will be here in the next chapter....no word on Droid Commander. As far as notes go to the Beast Master Forums on the SWG site or better yet do the free trial and see for yourself.
The one thing that they could do that would truely grab my interest, since it's unlikely they'll ever make jedi an unlock again (there's no point as everyone pretty much already has one), is implament a stricter system for jedi when it comes to running around in town with jedi equipment on (that is lightsaber and the actual jedi robes themselves, not enhancing cloths). This would let them make jedi a bit more powerful again (but not too powerful, I've heard that right now they are pretty gimpy) while adding the key realism for the game's time erra.
I know some would disagree, but I feel this would reflect a good bit of complaints most Star Wars fans seem to have.
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Hmmm.....
Well it is clear to me, that you have not played the NEW Bio-Engineer on Test Center. It has amazing Depth and Complexsity. There are Thousands of combinations and even more formulas. You need over 60 seperate items to engineer a single egg! If you don't do everything just right (the temp is off a degree...the nurtrient levels are out of line) the whole experiment can change dramatically. It takes days (not hours) to produce a finished sample...DAYS!!!....And this is not complex enough for you? Are you a Bio-Engineer in RL?
And that is the easy part...now you must feed, care, and train the animal. That process is as involed as building a seperate toon. It takes weeks of grinding. But not just grinding. You have to find out what your pet likes and dislikes. The planet, food, play, prey, and even something as small as going near an Entertainer can effect your pets development. You have to give your pet supplements, not just food. There is all kinds of things that come into play with this new system....I just don't see how you think this is not a complex system. You show me another system more complex than this one! The fact is, you have no idea because you have not played it...
..don't knock it until you try it.
Sounds like SOE found a new use for those old Tamogochi (sp) keychains, every kid in school used to have.
Hmmm.....
Well it is clear to me, that you have not played the NEW Bio-Engineer on Test Center. It has amazing Depth and Complexsity. There are Thousands of combinations and even more formulas. You need over 60 seperate items to engineer a single egg! If you don't do everything just right (the temp is off a degree...the nurtrient levels are out of line) the whole experiment can change dramatically. It takes days (not hours) to produce a finished sample...DAYS!!!....And this is not complex enough for you? Are you a Bio-Engineer in RL?
And that is the easy part...now you must feed, care, and train the animal. That process is as involed as building a seperate toon. It takes weeks of grinding. But not just grinding. You have to find out what your pet likes and dislikes. The planet, food, play, prey, and even something as small as going near an Entertainer can effect your pets development. You have to give your pet supplements, not just food. There is all kinds of things that come into play with this new system....I just don't see how you think this is not a complex system. You show me another system more complex than this one! The fact is, you have no idea because you have not played it...
..don't knock it until you try it.
Sounds like SOE found a new use for those old Tamogochi (sp) keychains, every kid in school used to have.
what does that mean LoL
Gardener I agree... but then again....
Droid commander... there were several droid commanders in the Star Wars Universe (movie wise and expanded universe).
I am glad they finally realized of what myself and others in my circle came to know was a great idea. I wonder who got fired for this to happen.
Pilot was the first inception of this system. Now they are including the same deal, only it takes your total expertise points to actually be good at it. And I love it. It shows that your character pays more attention to the growing and maintaining of their beast (if that is the route you want to take) instead of being proficient at firing a carbine, or mastering Force Choke...
Droid commander would be an excellent addition, but they need to actually bring em in a similar line with beastmaster (and this is where SOE screwed up last time balancing between droids and critters with the Droid Engineer and Bio Engineer). A LOT more droid types will have to be introduced in the SWG 'verse in order to make this work. Cause I for one, do NOT want to see everyone running around with a droideka, because that's lame... no wait, I'm seeing it now. There are tons of droid frames out there. IG-88 , HK-47 type (already in game), and tons of others. Give protocol droids guns... sheesh.
If the OP is on the ball with the information, I welcome it.... Finally give crafters something to do, but the whole Pokemon thing (still a deletable word on the SOE boards hehe) is a sad byproduct of this. I can't wait to see what happens.
I remember being master CH and having 2 grauls or rancor back before invincibility buffs and in PVP they were absolutely worthless. Most classes could take them out in less than 5 seconds. They were great for grinding lairs and such but for PVP just a waste of time.
By choosing beastmaster you will be gimpimg your actual character in order to get pets that will do you no good in PVP which in my opinion sucks. Either make the pets tougher or make the players weaker.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
I would just like to say... that very little about this game 'rocks'...
However, SOE was being very creative when they came up with this system. It is not good enough for me to want to return to the game, that ship has long since sailed. But it is good enough for me to say that they did a suprising job at actually trying to develop. It is sad that the game itself is still crap... otherwise I would play it.
2*-0 is still 0
Heh, have you been on TC and tried it? If not, then don't assume that how things worked with CH will be the same for BM.
If your pet mutates, it doesn't just change their appearance but also their strength. If you teach your pet the right combo of abilities and look after it well, your pet will make up for the loss of expertise in your main profession quite well.
Heh, have you been on TC and tried it? If not, then don't assume that how things worked with CH will be the same for BM.
If your pet mutates, it doesn't just change their appearance but also their strength. If you teach your pet the right combo of abilities and look after it well, your pet will make up for the loss of expertise in your main profession quite well.
Sorry Ner Vod but pets and PVP dont mix.....
Even if the pets are considerably tougher than they were in the past it wont change the outcome of PVP. Players will simply immobilize the pet with a snare and attack the controller. That is how these battles have been fought for a thousand years. when it comes to a BH with BM or a BH with special attacks the latter will always win because he wont fight the pet he will only focus on the other player.
So like I said, it will do fine for PVE grinding but in PVP it will be pointless.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Initially yes, while you're getting your pets setup and leveled, you will be at a disadvantage compared to those in the same profession that have their points all in their profession based expertise. However, once you've matured your pet I think it'd be a somewhat even match depending on how well the BM has speced out their pet. Afterall, there are over 100 different abilities you can teach your pet (not all at once obviously) that do cover some of the abilities that you get through your profession expertise. It's too early to tell how it'll work out, which goes to show how deep the system goes.
I have a pet in game now, a mounted pet at that, and it works. I can ride it, or have it follow me around. It does tricks on command. It even used to fight, in Pre-CU and CU and NGE, though that was removed. A good all-round functional pet. When Beast Master hits, this ends. My good old pet gets turned into a lousy (very slow) vehicle that happens to be shaped with an animal. A lousy vehicle that will probably still slow down when something aggros me, to give the mob a better shot at killing me. But only a vehicle, and not a pet anymore.
Could someone please add a expertise tree screenshot of Beast Master?
Thank you
Beast Master pets can be used for fighting, including PvP.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Beast Master pets can be used for fighting, including PvP. Which part of "mount" and "in game now" did you not understand? I have a pre-CU level 10 BE-built Bol mount, trained in every command available at the time: basic combat, guard, grouping, following (self and others), and tricks. It works fine. But when this WoWish Beast Master brain-fart goes live, it wont be functionally a pet anymore, just a no-level animal-shaped vehicle good for nothing else.
Beast Master pets can be used for fighting, including PvP. Which part of "mount" and "in game now" did you not understand? I have a pre-CU level 10 BE-built Bol mount, trained in every command available at the time: basic combat, guard, grouping, following (self and others), and tricks. It works fine. But when this WoWish Beast Master brain-fart goes live, it wont be functionally a pet anymore, just a no-level animal-shaped vehicle good for nothing else. They are looking to change that that at the moment so it should be fine when it hits live so dont worry
Beast Master pets can be used for fighting, including PvP.Which part of "mount" and "in game now" did you not understand? I have a pre-CU level 10 BE-built Bol mount, trained in every command available at the time: basic combat, guard, grouping, following (self and others), and tricks. It works fine. But when this WoWish Beast Master brain-fart goes live, it wont be functionally a pet anymore, just a no-level animal-shaped vehicle good for nothing else.They are looking to change that that at the moment so it should be fine when it hits live so dont worryThey also said they were looking at doing something about the group xp panality but decidied not to until maybe chapter 7. So saying they are looking at it doesn't mean they will do anything.
Beast Master pets can be used for fighting, including PvP.Which part of "mount" and "in game now" did you not understand? I have a pre-CU level 10 BE-built Bol mount, trained in every command available at the time: basic combat, guard, grouping, following (self and others), and tricks. It works fine. But when this WoWish Beast Master brain-fart goes live, it wont be functionally a pet anymore, just a no-level animal-shaped vehicle good for nothing else.They are looking to change that that at the moment so it should be fine when it hits live so dont worryThey also said they were looking at doing something about the group xp panality but decidied not to until maybe chapter 7. So saying they are looking at it doesn't mean they will do anything.
No you are right but recently thay have been listening to the community a lot more and doing alot more that has been suggested so my guess is they will sort this out before too long even if it does go live, they will change it before too long