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dont get mad at chinese farmers its there job
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They know what they're doing is against the rules and they choose to do it anyways. Don't feed me that "it's their job and they're feeding their children" crap because people ALWAYS have a choice. They could find another job if they really cared.
I am.
They know what they're doing is against the rules and they choose to do it anyways. Don't feed me that "it's their job and they're feeding their children" crap because people ALWAYS have a choice. They could find another job if they really cared.
well imagine this, single mother-father, with a newborn, cant afford to work in a regular job, because he/she cant afford a babysitter for their newborn, decides to work from home selling in-game items and thus is able to take care of family at same time.
This is obviously not a common reason, but for some people it is a great alternative. I don't know but I rather see someone sell gold than go hungry and destroy a kid's life.
China does not recognize many civil liberties that are enjoyed by the west and they certianly do not recognize international copyright or trademark laws.
China is the knock-off, copyright infringement capitol of the world. For every factory order produced for a brand name mass merchandiser in China, an overage is produced and sent out the back door and on to the black market. You also have flat out and wide spread piracy there.
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There are always friends, relatives, neighbors. Holding a job is no excuse to break the rules of a game and potentially the law.
What you've failed to grasp is that people ALWAYS have an alternative. It's never as clean-cut and black and white, A or B, 1 2 3 as people make it out to be.
What if these con-artists in Europe who keep hacking people's bank accounts are just trying to feed their kids? Does that make it okay, because it's "easier" than holding a real job? Give me a break...
I am.
They know what they're doing is against the rules and they choose to do it anyways. Don't feed me that "it's their job and they're feeding their children" crap because people ALWAYS have a choice. They could find another job if they really cared.
well imagine this, single mother-father, with a newborn, cant afford to work in a regular job, because he/she cant afford a babysitter for their newborn, decides to work from home selling in-game items and thus is able to take care of family at same time.
This is obviously not a common reason, but for some people it is a great alternative. I don't know but I rather see someone sell gold than go hungry and destroy a kid's life.
It doesn't matter what an individuals circumatances are, there just are things that shouldn't be condoning and farming gold (and by doing so damaging other peoples play experience) for profit is one of those.
Regardless of what you think professional gold farming does damage games for responsible players, by either spawn camping areas in game that people would like to Xp in or by grabbing rare resources to resell on AH's at much inflated prices. By your example you could justify robbing people in the street because you are poor, and I'm sure you didn't mean that.
Professional gold farming/selling is wrong and game companies should be doing more with game design to prevent this, there is no valid reason that can be attributed to the need for people to work in this area.
Well here is another thing, why must everyone be so competitive in online gaming, rather that be able to enjoy the game?
I remember pre-cu being one of the only games that I could be a poor dancing hairstylist, and still have a blast doing what I was doing. Now it seems that most games try to make it so without a certain grind you can't achieve further progress. Whatever happened to FUN? Why should people have to resort (or think they have to) buying online gold just to reach what the game tells them is "fun".
I don't know, maybe my values are messed up, but I think that the companies making the game just try to hook you on and we suffer as we are made to have to play more and more just to stay on the imaginary curb of things.
This is why I quit playing WoW.
I am.
They know what they're doing is against the rules and they choose to do it anyways. Don't feed me that "it's their job and they're feeding their children" crap because people ALWAYS have a choice. They could find another job if they really cared.
well imagine this, single mother-father, with a newborn, cant afford to work in a regular job, because he/she cant afford a babysitter for their newborn, decides to work from home selling in-game items and thus is able to take care of family at same time.
This is obviously not a common reason, but for some people it is a great alternative. I don't know but I rather see someone sell gold than go hungry and destroy a kid's life.
It doesn't matter what an individuals circumatances are, there just are things that shouldn't be condoning and farming gold (and by doing so damaging other peoples play experience) for profit is one of those.
Regardless of what you think professional gold farming does damage games for responsible players, by either spawn camping areas in game that people would like to Xp in or by grabbing rare resources to resell on AH's at much inflated prices. By your example you could justify robbing people in the street because you are poor, and I'm sure you didn't mean that.
Professional gold farming/selling is wrong and game companies should be doing more with game design to prevent this, there is no valid reason that can be attributed to the need for people to work in this area.
See that's another problem, companies don't nearly do enough. If I could rob a bank and the only repurcussion was them deleting my bank account, I would take that oppurtunity. Companies don't do enough to stop the gold sellers, and how is that supposed to deter them form doing it? And like another poster said before, in china for example, the piracy there is incredible. Gold selling is one of the lightest illegal business there is, and since nothing ever happens to them, why would they care?
Companies simply need to get together and shut down the big gold selling sites and in huge class action lawsuit or something. But if they don't care about how us as gamers fel about tis issue, then I won't either just won't report them.
I am.
They know what they're doing is against the rules and they choose to do it anyways. Don't feed me that "it's their job and they're feeding their children" crap because people ALWAYS have a choice. They could find another job if they really cared.
Its sooooooo EASY to say that.... i dont support gold farming but i do know gold farmers are looking for a oportunity to earn some money as everyone else, some of us are lucky to have better options.
Anyway WHY IS anybody speaking about the one who buy gold ? this is like the drug problem... lot of countries in the world have lots, and i mean lots of very serius problems just because americans like to get high like whores.
Right, because America's problems are single-handedly the cause of every other problem in the world. What was it you said?
"It's soooooooo EASY to say that..."
Stop giving them the easy way out. Feeding children is not an excuse, and peoples' greed is even less of an excuse.
I think the drug czars of South America are analogous to the gold selling companies of China and the rest of the world. Sure, their employees are just "doing their jobs," but that doesn't make their job legal or ethical. It might give some sort of context, but it doesn't change the illicit nature of their business.
Just because a farmer in Afghanistan grows poppies because it's the most valuable crop in the nation doesn't make him any less complicit since he knows that the eventual product is a far hue and cry from some sort of flower shop centerpiece. His crop is going to support the production of opium. It feeds his family, but ruins lives elsewhere. He can justify it all he likes, but he's still complicit.
The problem is not the farmers of poppies or the farmers of gold. The problem is the users and abusers of the end products. If there wasn't a demand, there'd be no supply. As long as there's a demand, people will continue to sell to the need of folks all over the world. Unfortunately, the community is not going to change the unethical and greedy nature of humanity. It is therefore incumbent upon game developers to obviate the need for gold farming in their games. You can't change humanity, but you can change the game.
The analogy of comparing the issue with Gold Farmers and the US War on Drugs is very applicable here. It has the same root cause, and the same solutions.
Gold/Item Farmers can make money because they are offering something that players want, but can not get easily. People are willing to pay for these items. There is nothing wrong with this... and it cant really be changed. It is the law of supply and demand, and is one of the most basic precepts of all commerce.
The issue is not that people sell things that others want. The issue is that the value is inflated by forced scarcity. If the items were cheap and easily available, then people would not be willing to pay a premium for them, and it would not be possible to make a business farming and selling them.
The solution is to not make games that create these barriers, and in effect create these markets. There are many different variations that can be used, but the common theme is to not create an artificial value for goods, by making them scarce.
The reality is that the games themselves encourage and support farming. The developers are the people that are creating and subsidizing these markets. They are doing the tasks that ensure that these markets are both prevelent, and profitable. They are the people to blame (be angry at).
This is very similar to the US War on Drugs. The US ensures that drug dealers can make high profits. Without the intervention of law enforcement, drugs would be cheap, and would not have the support of the counterculture. It would remove the money that criminals make, and result in less drug traffic (because there is no big money to be made).
Back on topic - I can actually understand the farmers position. "So some westerners don't get to have fun, but I can make myself enough money to buy a TV and get drunk every friday. Sounds good to me." It's a selfish attitude, but to be honest, 50% of the population of the western world seems to show the same sort of selfishness e.g. all the people who drive SUVs to get to the shops. Personally I blame the people who buy the gold. They are just sad.
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The reality is that the games themselves encourage and support farming. The developers are the people that are creating and subsidizing these markets. They are doing the tasks that ensure that these markets are both prevelent, and profitable. They are the people to blame (be angry at).
exactly, but then you have SOE hiring an ex IGE manager to station exchange a fancy name to legaliza gold and powerleveling for real money.