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Scamming is allowed in Eve and So IS EXPLOITING

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  • ownedyou1ownedyou1 Member Posts: 364
    It's not an exploit because its done using lag instead of 3rd party programs





    Let me explain, it would be an exploit if it auto-accepted the trade screen, but the other player has the option to wait for it to update, there, it's not an exploit.



    +1 to gm's
  • NicoliNicoli Member Posts: 1,312
    I've always considered using the trade window with anyone besides a friend was like buying something off of a street corner. You get all the risks with none of the security. If they really want to trade something use a quick contract it takes about 10 seconds to do a private contract and it is very hard to screw someone over with it.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,078
    It might not be an "exploit" by definition....



    but it is certainly an immoral act....



    yet another reason for me not to play Eve...... nasty players, laggy servers, uncaring development staff....

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  • Computer-EdComputer-Ed Member Posts: 12
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    It might not be an "exploit" by definition....



    but it is certainly an immoral act....



    yet another reason for me not to play Eve...... nasty players, laggy servers, uncaring development staff....



    I would argue that the same attitudes can be described in ALL the major MMORPGs. The uncaring development team however is just plain wrong. They spend a lot of time in the forums and work with many players to make the game better. Unlike most MMO companies they have never charged extra for expansions.

    Overall EVE is a the top tier of MMO games when it comes to support and community. Sure they have issues as do ALL the games, but not nearly as bad as most.

     

     

  • MoobkradMoobkrad Member Posts: 308
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    It might not be an "exploit" by definition....



    but it is certainly an immoral act....



    yet another reason for me not to play Eve...... nasty players, laggy servers, uncaring development staff....
    Nasty players... hehe WoW has been King for that.



    Laggy servers.... nothing compares to SWG.



    Uncaring development staff... SOE is King!
  • ComanComan Member UncommonPosts: 2,178


    Originally posted by Moobkrad

    Originally posted by Kyleran
    It might not be an "exploit" by definition....

    but it is certainly an immoral act....

    yet another reason for me not to play Eve...... nasty players, laggy servers, uncaring development staff....


    Nasty players... hehe WoW has been King for that.

    Laggy servers.... nothing compares to SWG.

    Uncaring development staff... SOE is King!


    Not sure if you get you point....you saying that there is atleast one game with has the same wrong as EVE. You need to copy the good things from companies not the bad things...

  • blackcat35blackcat35 Member Posts: 479

    honestly, CCP is worse than SOE.  SOE doesn't screw people over(well, as much), have completely buggy trade systems, allow users to scam others constantly, or actually scam their players themselves, or show favoritism running in the game with guilds, etc.....

    I'm not saying SOE is all that rock solid, they have pissed off alot of people, especially in SWG with their nerfs.  There is a valid reason a ton of people think SOE sucks...

    CCP sucks worse though, because they are actively screwing over their player base.....

    There is a reason everyone and his dog wants Band of Dev's destroyed...and their is a reason why the Dev's are defending them...

     

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  • MoobkradMoobkrad Member Posts: 308
    Originally posted by Coman


     

    Originally posted by Moobkrad


    Originally posted by Kyleran

    It might not be an "exploit" by definition....
    but it is certainly an immoral act....
    yet another reason for me not to play Eve...... nasty players, laggy servers, uncaring development staff....

    Nasty players... hehe WoW has been King for that.

    Laggy servers.... nothing compares to SWG.

    Uncaring development staff... SOE is King!


    Not sure if you get you point....you saying that there is atleast one game with has the same wrong as EVE. You need to copy the good things from companies not the bad things...

    Just pointing out the irregularities with other games/companies. As in saying that EVE is not the only one.

    I have play a lot of them at one point or another. Know their pros and cons, and now we are discussing negative points.



    Many people complain about the players you have to deal with in World of Warcraft. Many rude players, those who prefer to smite you even when you are weak and in the floor. WoW was ok in the beginning, but when it started gaining up in subs, you suddenly got all this people who didn't gave any importance to anyone. Thus giving it the prize of the Nastiest people.



    Then for Laggy servers... Star Wars Galaxies had battles between 800 vs 800 players and is was a slideshow. The lag was unbearable, by the time you clicked the heal button you were already dead but the system didn't register it right away. Now, because of the recent changes to the core system, you got a battle of 30 vs 30 and you get slideshow lag, same as the old days. However, a lot less people than before. Thus giving it the prize of laggiest game.



    Finally, uncaring development... SOE made 3 BIG overhauls to the SWG game, then a couple of overhauls to the core systems of several other of their games. Which made their player base a lot smaller than it used to be in the old days. Also CSR services are the worst... You'll get banned for reporting an issue the second time. And the issue was a glitch that occurred after a development patch. Not your fault... but after all, they don't care. They think that if they lose you, they can attract five more players to take your place. Thus giving them the prize of Uncaring Developers.



    I'm sure many games/companies have issues with one thing or another. If people are going to be picky about this. Stop playing MMOs, they are certainly not for you. Or simply learn to live with the issues. If you actually got bored of the game, then leave and return when you want to give it another go.
  • MoobkradMoobkrad Member Posts: 308
    Originally posted by blackcat35


    honestly, CCP is worse than SOE.  SOE doesn't screw people over(well, as much), have completely buggy trade systems, allow users to scam others constantly, or actually scam their players themselves, or show favoritism running in the game with guilds, etc.....
    I'm not saying SOE is all that rock solid, they have pissed off alot of people, especially in SWG with their nerfs.  There is a valid reason a ton of people think SOE sucks...
    CCP sucks worse though, because they are actively screwing over their player base.....
    There is a reason everyone and his dog wants Band of Dev's destroyed...and their is a reason why the Dev's are defending them...
     
    Everyone and it's dog! I love that quote.



    Thanks to all this hate towards BoB, things have become interesting. Makes up for all the fun I have reading EVE news while I'm at the office.
  • damicatzdamicatz Member Posts: 102
    Originally posted by Moobkrad

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    It might not be an "exploit" by definition....



    but it is certainly an immoral act....



    yet another reason for me not to play Eve...... nasty players, laggy servers, uncaring development staff....
    Nasty players... hehe WoW has been King for that.



    Laggy servers.... nothing compares to SWG.



    Uncaring development staff... SOE is King!

    World of Warcraft has a lot of immature players but the nastiness of EvE's playerbase is unrivaled.  
  • GlacianNexGlacianNex Member UncommonPosts: 654
    Originally posted by damicatz

    Originally posted by Moobkrad

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    It might not be an "exploit" by definition....



    but it is certainly an immoral act....



    yet another reason for me not to play Eve...... nasty players, laggy servers, uncaring development staff....
    Nasty players... hehe WoW has been King for that.



    Laggy servers.... nothing compares to SWG.



    Uncaring development staff... SOE is King!

    World of Warcraft has a lot of immature players but the nastiness of EvE's playerbase is unrivaled.  

    I dont follow what you mean by nasty, game allows for extensive PvP, everyone knows that. So when people kill you it can hardly count as nasty.



    EVE has one of the most mature and helpful communities out there, where you don't have to listen to Chuck Noris jokes and "I PWN U NOOB A55 LOZ!!!"
  • Parsifal57Parsifal57 Member Posts: 267
    Originally posted by ownedyou1

    It's not an exploit because its done using lag instead of 3rd party programs





    Let me explain, it would be an exploit if it auto-accepted the trade screen, but the other player has the option to wait for it to update, there, it's not an exploit.



    +1 to gm's
      An Exploit is not defined by using a program. An exploit is knowingly using a situation or program to acheive results that normal gameplay will not allow you to acheive in this case using lag to acheive these results IS AN EXPLOIT.
  • Gr4dientGr4dient Member Posts: 59

    Look, once a few members of the Band of Developers Cheaters Whatever get scammed they will have words with CheaterMolle who will have words with his bum boys in Icelandistan and the problem will be fixed.

    Or as they say in that much betterer space based MMORPG, have patience my young Padewan.

  • jmpreissjmpreiss Member Posts: 49
    Ok, the lag thing I can understand as to making you angry, but then again, why are you trading with them in the first place. Only do the in-station trades with people you know/trust, otherwise, use the contract system.



    Now, you being mad because players can scam other players in EVE....all I can say to that is play smarter. Don't jump into things. If you are getting scammed, you are probably pretty gullible to begin with. Oh yeah, guess what, the same things happen in real life. Are you going to be mad about real life too? :p
  • piltopilto Member Posts: 40

    eveonline = cheaters/griefers/scammers heaven.  the devs don't care because they take part in the cheating, griefing and scamming.

    find a new game people.

  • KhorianKhorian Member Posts: 64
    I sense alot of hatred in here. Yes, EvE is a sandbox. Did you ever play an MMORPG and think it's retarded because it wont allow you to drop an item on the ground? I did.



    Thats why EvE is so cool. But I must say this Trade thing thats currently going on is still an exploit to me. It uses lag to work, but that was definately not intended. It's using the game mechanics to your own advantage. No arguing and justifying will change that fact.



    CCP will probably fix it sooner than later.



    Of course you will always have those haters that try to badmouth EvE and CCP any chance they get, even if they probably are never even directly affected by what they are whining about.



    The unsatisfied customers naturally cry the loudest, the satisfied ones are busy playing the game.



    And if you love freedom EvE is the only MMORPG that can give that to you. In most other MMORPG you're not even allowed to drop an item on the ground, to save the users from their own stupidity (and they will still come running to the forum crying).



    MMORPGs, you gotta love them and their silly communitys.


  • BOYVIRGO666BOYVIRGO666 Member Posts: 158
    ok this is my first post on this website and im forced to do it because of how ignorant some of you people are



    eve online is one of the best mmos iv ever played because you can scam people only and im goin to repeat this one more ONLY if they are stupid. i have played eve for 2 years and have never gotten scammed because i "READ" what im buying this game is honest to a great degree is has depth and its background story is made by the players. sure the devs kinda suck but no where near as bad as in leneage 2 or SWG. in eve when a glitch popped my ship i got said ship back in 15 minutes. if i get blown up in pvp i knew it was coming because teh game warns u when you enter a pvp zone(a concept that World of gaycraft realy needs to learn)

    i hate world of warcraft for its mega rude and immature playerbase. the first day i played eve i was amazed at how helpful the other players were and sure the tutorial was long but man it explains EVERYTHING.



    so im goin to say this just once "If you dont like eve online you dont have the patience for a serious and awesome mmo so shut up and go play yor stupid world of warcraft and listen to the same douchbag who goes into newb areas and kills people tell the same story of how he killed the guys named drizzzt23 for the millionth time!"



    there i said my peace

    genius inside insanity

  • NyphurNyphur Member Posts: 74
    Just to let you know, Oveur (pretty much THE head developer), just declared that this is a bug and as such, using it repeatedly is abuse of a bug, which is the definition of an exploit. You will be banned if you scam a few times using this, but apparantly doing it once isn't proof that you're abusing a bug since it could have been accidental.

    Insert signature that doesn't break the rules here

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    It might not be an "exploit" by definition....



    but it is certainly an immoral act....



    yet another reason for me not to play Eve...... nasty players, laggy servers, uncaring development staff....
    that's completely untrue.



    the staff care VERY much     about cheating for themselves and their friends.

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Khorian

    I sense alot of hatred in here. Yes, EvE is a sandbox. Did you ever play an MMORPG and think it's retarded because it wont allow you to drop an item on the ground? I did.



    Thats why EvE is so cool. But I must say this Trade thing thats currently going on is still an exploit to me. It uses lag to work, but that was definately not intended. It's using the game mechanics to your own advantage. No arguing and justifying will change that fact.



    CCP will probably fix it sooner than later.



    Of course you will always have those haters that try to badmouth EvE and CCP any chance they get, even if they probably are never even directly affected by what they are whining about.



    The unsatisfied customers naturally cry the loudest, the satisfied ones are busy playing the game.



    And if you love freedom EvE is the only MMORPG that can give that to you. In most other MMORPG you're not even allowed to drop an item on the ground, to save the users from their own stupidity (and they will still come running to the forum crying).



    MMORPGs, you gotta love them and their silly communitys.



    yeah, you have to love them, especially the ones that think there's only one sandbox type mmo out there.  and ones that harp on dropping things on the ground in a game that has no ground on which to drop anything...

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • KhorianKhorian Member Posts: 64
    Originally posted by damian7



    yeah, you have to love them, especially the ones that think there's only one sandbox type mmo out there.  and ones that harp on dropping things on the ground in a game that has no ground on which to drop anything...
    Not to forget the ones that can't understand an analogy or think outside the box.
  • CiredricCiredric Member Posts: 723

    Have to love the clueless that say it is not an exploit.  Specifically stated in the TOS that using game mechanics, which includes lag, to decieve someone is an exploit.   Next time read the TOS.

    The thing is that the OP should have used a contract as stated above, trade windows are just asking for trouble.

    The point about Eve is that you have to play smart, playing dumb and whining about it will get a lot of laughs tossed your way.

  • damian7damian7 Member Posts: 4,449
    Originally posted by Khorian

    Originally posted by damian7



    yeah, you have to love them, especially the ones that think there's only one sandbox type mmo out there.  and ones that harp on dropping things on the ground in a game that has no ground on which to drop anything...
    Not to forget the ones that can't understand an analogy or think outside the box.

    yes, that must be me.  maybe if i could only drop things on the ground in my mmos!

    could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?

  • blackcat35blackcat35 Member Posts: 479
    Originally posted by Nyphur

    Just to let you know, Oveur (pretty much THE head developer), just declared that this is a bug and as such, using it repeatedly is abuse of a bug, which is the definition of an exploit. You will be banned if you scam a few times using this, but apparantly doing it once isn't proof that you're abusing a bug since it could have been accidental.

    Makes you wonder if he and his friends were affected by this, and thus are trying to resolve it asap.....trying to trade in lag doesn't sound stupid.......I'd imagine even a DEV could lose alot because of this expoit....

    most cheaters/thieves don't appreciate being cheated/stolen themselves......and often think they cannot be......

    I have no sympathy for anyone playing Eve Online, if your stupid enough to play it, you should be robbed blind.....and don't get mad at me, I'm not  CCP who is stealing/cheating you.....CCP corruption is widely known.....

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    The game is dead not, this game is good we make it and Romania Tv give it 5 goat heads, this is good rating for game.

  • Timberwolf0Timberwolf0 Member Posts: 424
    Originally posted by damian7

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    It might not be an "exploit" by definition....



    but it is certainly an immoral act....



    yet another reason for me not to play Eve...... nasty players, laggy servers, uncaring development staff....
    that's completely untrue.



    the staff care VERY much     about cheating for themselves and their friends. Hahahah! Right on man.
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