I feel like everytime I go to the gas station these day it is lterally costing me my arms and legs. Who knows what else will be taken away! I thought the war in Iraq & Afghanistan was suppose to solve this problem. It costed me 3.85 a gallon in the city I am from!!!
Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch; it's just that few of us are rich enough to get to see it.
Prices will continue to rise as long as demand does as well. Anyone would raise their prices in a situation such as that.
We say we want to fight a war in Iraq that is obviously over oil. Yet, we don't want to do anything about our consumption at home. And if you do talk about it like you are concerned you are immediately ridiculed by some and called a "hippy" for caring. I don't think anything is going to change in this world until we start getting over those kinds of labels and work things out together.
Oh, and I do know what the difference between and eco-nut and a concerned person is. Even though some people try to mesh them together. Being concerned about the future of this country and our dependence on oil is not being an eco-nut. It's just seeing the reality of it all.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
Yeah I agree on that too...there's not much we can do in regards to the demand. Having a BMW at times a like this is a pain the ass! I sure miss those days of driving a Honda Accord. It was so sweet on the MPG. My GF has a Toyota Prius, I think its hiting 60-80 MPG which is ridiculous!
Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch; it's just that few of us are rich enough to get to see it.
If our government didn't keep subsidizing the oil companies and let the free market take over, we would naturally and quickly have lots of demand to get into alternative energy.
Ron Paul talked about this but it was in the context of global warming and pollution and how our foreign policy is screwing us over in that regard...but it absolutely applies to gas prices too.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
I still remember when fuel was 60c/L ($AUD) These days I'm paying around $1.35ish a L for 100octane fuel.
It was rather funny several weeks ago when fuel prices were staying high despite crude oil prices dropping slightly. The ACCC(Australian Competition and Consumer Commision) said that they were going to investigate all service stations that didn't drop prices accordingly. The next day fuel prices were down 20-30cents. When they know we are going to pay for it they'll make all the money they can.
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace. ----------------------------------------- ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
I'll admit on one thing though I love luxury european cars so thats my weakness. BMW just recently sent some PR out about their green environment friendly vehicle to calm the tree huggers.
I was hoping for more of a 3 series type of vehicle as it fits my style.
The BMW Hydrogen 7 Model
An excerpt from BMW World:
The BMW Clean Energy system involves liquid hydrogen produced from water using solar power. Hydrogen as a motor fuel is the answer to many environmental problems since there are no harmful emissions, no depleting of resources, and no danger to the atmosphere.
The 745h continues in the tradition of BMW hydrogen powered vehicles.
The 745h is powered by a 4.4-liter V8, featuring bi-VANOS variable valve timing, Valvetronic variable intake runners, and a fully variable intake manifold. The 745h can use either hydrogen or premium unleaded gasoline.
Running on hydrogen, the 745h produces 184 horsepower and can achieve a top speed of 133 mph. The cruising range is 190 miles. Added to the 400-mile range of the normal fuel tank, the 745h can go 600 miles between fill-ups.
An Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) runs the 745h's power-consuming features. The APU operates on a Polymer Electrolyte Membrane (PEM) fuel cell that is independent of the engine, thanks to a direct hydrogen feed from the trunk-mounted tank. This means power accessories like air conditioning can be operated when the engine is shut off, saving a gallon of gas for every 235 miles of city driving.
The Germans sure know their engineering!
Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch; it's just that few of us are rich enough to get to see it.
In america gasoline is actually a great deal if you factor inflation from the last 35 years into the equation. The oil companies should be able to make all the money they want because the simple fact is you have no right to gasoline. It is a commodity and if you have tailored your entire existence around it then you have been very foolish.
You cant get mad at the oil companies for wanting to make money. Gas is no similar to say an ipod. No body gets pissed about these little scam boxes with all the accesories and dead batteries and warranty plans. Point being you can, (and im not saying you have to), be self independent of gas. Now I realize that goods and services are transported with gas as fuel so total independence is not possible but you can take steps in your own life to lower your gas expense. Otherwise suck it up and pay for your lifestyle which is yours as long as you can afford it and not a right.
If our government didn't keep subsidizing the oil companies and let the free market take over, we would naturally and quickly have lots of demand to get into alternative energy.
Ron Paul talked about this but it was in the context of global warming and pollution and how our foreign policy is screwing us over in that regard...but it absolutely applies to gas prices too.
The difference between USA and other western countries is taxes. Most European countries has over 100+% taxes on oil. That's why oil prices are expensive in Europe. Countries that are oil rich will subsidize it, otherwise known as the oil curse.
Alternative energy while sound great does have it downfall. Windmill energy for example kills lots of birds each year. Our local environmental group and bird watcher stop a large off coast windmill project due to the fact that it will kill hundred of thousands of migrating birds each year. Some of which are endanger.
Solar power is pretty good. Any thoughts of it being uneconomical can easily be discarded with companies coming out now that are making lease deals, rental deals...ect. Just like buying a car outright is very uneconomical for most of the world yet practically everyone has them and that's because of the paying options. http://www.citizenre.com/web/index.php is making it affordable for everyone. They also are building their factory with solar panels so they don't have to rely on normal energy ( I think the factory has been built already...I haven't been paying much attention to them lately).
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
pps. the environmentalists not allowing wind power due to some friggen birds need to go invent something that can supply us with power if they don't like it...they're friggen birds...the smart ones will fly a few feet higher and survive, it's called natural selection amirite?!?
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
The biggest problem is fossil fuel packs so much damn power, alternatives have a huge gap to cover. As pointed out with Ethanol, you would presently need a ridiculous amount of crops to produce enough ethanol to satisfy the US's fuel demands. Even nuclear power plants are reliant on services that can only be powered by gas. I suppose part of a solution is to begin curbing fuel consumption, but that's not all of it.
Anyone know anything about this biodiesel stuff I'm hearing about?
Originally posted by peaceandlove Well, I do have the cute tiny shorts for it. Good idea, but I'm affraid your alternative wouldn't work for everybody. It would be a 4 hour run to work. That's just one way. Can I take a shower when I get there? What about the handicapped? How about the fat ass people that have to use scooters to do something simple as shopping? How are they going to get anywhere? But other than that, hell yeah I would walk, jog, or bike to work if I was close enough.
I can see driving when you're 30 miles from work, though at one point, I had the pleasure of making a 2 hour hike to and from work. When it comes down to hoofing it, or being that POS homeless guy sparing for change? I'll walk.
I could see driving to the grocery store if you're going to buy a months worth of groceries, which you clearly couldn't carry yourself.
But driving 2 blocks to go to Wendy's to get a burger, fries and a frosty? That's the major reason most of those fat bastards are now in scooters to begin with.
I see people from my apartment complex driving to the gas station directly across the street. For a 2 litre of soda.
How friggin lazy have we become as a country, and as a species?
I walk all over the place. Some times it's just nice to get out, stretch my legs and walk nowhere in particular and get lost in my own head. It's odd, though. Some of the looks I get from soccer moms careening about in full size SUVs, chatting on their cell phones about how bees are dieing out, and the games almost over for us, are friggin' priceless. You'd think they'd never seen someone walk before.
Also, there is an amazing amount of free money left on many a roadside. Though, there is always the hassle of dealing with asshole cops that think someone in street clothes walking down a major thoroughfare is obviously an escaped criminal. That, or they're just pricks getting their yaya's off of making some tattooed skinhead looking guy roast out in the sun for 30+ minutes.
Another funny thing is people who try to get the best parking spot at a gym...yes i've seen people try. You would think gym members wouldn't mind walking a distance.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
The great part about parking way out is not only do you get some exercise, but no one parks next to your car and opens doors into it.
I think laziness is not totally the decisive factor here. Many Americans live life in overdrive. Everything has to be done, and it has to be done now. You could walk to the corner store for some milk, but it would be faster to drive there and back. I've also watched people prowl for parking spaces. Not wait, but prowl. They never sit still, they're always moving with frantic energy as if they're in a terrible rush and will do anything for that spot. It's like they have tunnel vision, since they're obviously wasting time, but that one objective is locked in their minds and they'll do anything for it.
i will say on the west coast a car is a neccesity. everything is so spread out. unless you live downtown and work downtown the public transportation sucks. the cheeper places to live are further away from good paying jobs.
im not leaving my home 4 hours early to get to work on time taking public transportation. reason being i work graves buses stop running around 7ish pm i dont work till 11pm.
Originally posted by Hohbein I forbid Americans from complaining about fuel prices. Try £1.02 a litre for Shell Optimax (97 ron) here... and about 97P for regular 95 ron crap.
You guys get better gas mileage, or something? Or do people just do less driving in the UK as compared to Americans?
I forbid Americans from complaining about fuel prices. Try £1.02 a litre for Shell Optimax (97 ron) here... and about 97P for regular 95 ron crap.
You guys get better gas mileage, or something? Or do people just do less driving in the UK as compared to Americans?
Plenty of people get cars with smaller engines, to get more miles per gallon, and yes, probably people do less driving over here in general. The fuel price has a lot to do with it. Our government claims they're helping the environment by slapping enormous taxes on fuel, and maybe it is, but knowing this lot, it's more about getting more money off us poor sods in every possible way they can.
From what I've seen of America, the whole layout of most towns is based on the car culture there. Everything is spread out and has large parking lots. Many US towns would be really inconvenient to walk round. The UK is moving in that direction to some extent, with a lot more out-of-town shopping centres, but partly due to the history of the place, most of our towns are designed for pedestrians, and of course everything is much closer together than in the States, just because we don't have room to do it any other way.
I forbid Americans from complaining about fuel prices. Try £1.02 a litre for Shell Optimax (97 ron) here... and about 97P for regular 95 ron crap.
You guys get better gas mileage, or something? Or do people just do less driving in the UK as compared to Americans?
We do mostly drive much smaller cars (kinda because we have to because of fuel pricing and tax)... People drive alot here.. not sure how much in comparison to the US, but the government are trying to encourage people to use public transport more often by taxing cars heavily and introducing congestion charging in places like London (have to pay like £8 every day just to go through London).
Either way, I just payed £208 to tax my car and pay roughly £40 per week on fuel (I do probably around 120 miles per week on average).
Wow you guys in here like to talk about gas. This morning I paid 3.70 a gallon and in total costed me about 55 bucks! I can see why Americans are spending less money in the malls these days. America is not growing anymore.
Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch; it's just that few of us are rich enough to get to see it.
Originally posted by vrogamer Wow you guys in here like to talk about gas. This morning I paid 3.70 a gallon and in total costed me about 55 bucks! I can see why Americans are spending less money in the malls these days. America is not growing anymore.
I use midgrade and pay about 3.50 a gallon. Mind you I live in a isolated community so the commodities cost quite abit. The low rental costs average it out though. Personally I could walk to work, I only live 5 miles away. I drive though. In two years Ive only driven 20,000 miles LOL
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We say we want to fight a war in Iraq that is obviously over oil. Yet, we don't want to do anything about our consumption at home. And if you do talk about it like you are concerned you are immediately ridiculed by some and called a "hippy" for caring. I don't think anything is going to change in this world until we start getting over those kinds of labels and work things out together.
Oh, and I do know what the difference between and eco-nut and a concerned person is. Even though some people try to mesh them together. Being concerned about the future of this country and our dependence on oil is not being an eco-nut. It's just seeing the reality of it all.
=============================
It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch; it's just that few of us are rich enough to get to see it.
Ron Paul talked about this but it was in the context of global warming and pollution and how our foreign policy is screwing us over in that regard...but it absolutely applies to gas prices too.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I still remember when fuel was 60c/L ($AUD) These days I'm paying around $1.35ish a L for 100octane fuel.
It was rather funny several weeks ago when fuel prices were staying high despite crude oil prices dropping slightly. The ACCC(Australian Competition and Consumer Commision) said that they were going to investigate all service stations that didn't drop prices accordingly. The next day fuel prices were down 20-30cents. When they know we are going to pay for it they'll make all the money they can.
*Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author... got sick of holding backspace.
-----------------------------------------
ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
I was hoping for more of a 3 series type of vehicle as it fits my style.
The BMW Hydrogen 7 Model
An excerpt from BMW World:
The BMW Clean Energy system involves liquid hydrogen produced from water using solar power. Hydrogen as a motor fuel is the answer to many environmental problems since there are no harmful emissions, no depleting of resources, and no danger to the atmosphere.
The 745h continues in the tradition of BMW hydrogen powered vehicles.
The 745h is powered by a 4.4-liter V8, featuring bi-VANOS variable valve timing, Valvetronic variable intake runners, and a fully variable intake manifold. The 745h can use either hydrogen or premium unleaded gasoline.
Running on hydrogen, the 745h produces 184 horsepower and can achieve a top speed of 133 mph. The cruising range is 190 miles. Added to the 400-mile range of the normal fuel tank, the 745h can go 600 miles between fill-ups.
An Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) runs the 745h's power-consuming features. The APU operates on a Polymer Electrolyte Membrane (PEM) fuel cell that is independent of the engine, thanks to a direct hydrogen feed from the trunk-mounted tank. This means power accessories like air conditioning can be operated when the engine is shut off, saving a gallon of gas for every 235 miles of city driving.
The Germans sure know their engineering!
Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch; it's just that few of us are rich enough to get to see it.
Screw gas prices.
Alternative energy while sound great does have it downfall. Windmill energy for example kills lots of birds each year. Our local environmental group and bird watcher stop a large off coast windmill project due to the fact that it will kill hundred of thousands of migrating birds each year. Some of which are endanger.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-20581449.html
You put in more fuel to produce Ethanol then you get out of it (grown corn, harvest them, turn it into fuel).
http://slate.com/id/2122961/
Solar power is pretty good. Any thoughts of it being uneconomical can easily be discarded with companies coming out now that are making lease deals, rental deals...ect. Just like buying a car outright is very uneconomical for most of the world yet practically everyone has them and that's because of the paying options. http://www.citizenre.com/web/index.php is making it affordable for everyone. They also are building their factory with solar panels so they don't have to rely on normal energy ( I think the factory has been built already...I haven't been paying much attention to them lately).
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I can't believe nobody has said it yet
I blame Bush!
ps. nuclear fission gogogogogo
pps. the environmentalists not allowing wind power due to some friggen birds need to go invent something that can supply us with power if they don't like it...they're friggen birds...the smart ones will fly a few feet higher and survive, it's called natural selection amirite?!?
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch; it's just that few of us are rich enough to get to see it.
Anyone know anything about this biodiesel stuff I'm hearing about?
I can see driving when you're 30 miles from work, though at one point, I had the pleasure of making a 2 hour hike to and from work. When it comes down to hoofing it, or being that POS homeless guy sparing for change? I'll walk.
I could see driving to the grocery store if you're going to buy a months worth of groceries, which you clearly couldn't carry yourself.
But driving 2 blocks to go to Wendy's to get a burger, fries and a frosty? That's the major reason most of those fat bastards are now in scooters to begin with.
I see people from my apartment complex driving to the gas station directly across the street. For a 2 litre of soda.
How friggin lazy have we become as a country, and as a species?
I walk all over the place. Some times it's just nice to get out, stretch my legs and walk nowhere in particular and get lost in my own head. It's odd, though. Some of the looks I get from soccer moms careening about in full size SUVs, chatting on their cell phones about how bees are dieing out, and the games almost over for us, are friggin' priceless. You'd think they'd never seen someone walk before.
Also, there is an amazing amount of free money left on many a roadside. Though, there is always the hassle of dealing with asshole cops that think someone in street clothes walking down a major thoroughfare is obviously an escaped criminal. That, or they're just pricks getting their yaya's off of making some tattooed skinhead looking guy roast out in the sun for 30+ minutes.
Wonderful use of electricity.
Another funny thing is people who try to get the best parking spot at a gym...yes i've seen people try. You would think gym members wouldn't mind walking a distance.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I think laziness is not totally the decisive factor here. Many Americans live life in overdrive. Everything has to be done, and it has to be done now. You could walk to the corner store for some milk, but it would be faster to drive there and back. I've also watched people prowl for parking spaces. Not wait, but prowl. They never sit still, they're always moving with frantic energy as if they're in a terrible rush and will do anything for that spot. It's like they have tunnel vision, since they're obviously wasting time, but that one objective is locked in their minds and they'll do anything for it.
i will say on the west coast a car is a neccesity. everything is so spread out. unless you live downtown and work downtown the public transportation sucks. the cheeper places to live are further away from good paying jobs.
im not leaving my home 4 hours early to get to work on time taking public transportation. reason being i work graves buses stop running around 7ish pm i dont work till 11pm.
You guys get better gas mileage, or something? Or do people just do less driving in the UK as compared to Americans?
You guys get better gas mileage, or something? Or do people just do less driving in the UK as compared to Americans?
Plenty of people get cars with smaller engines, to get more miles per gallon, and yes, probably people do less driving over here in general. The fuel price has a lot to do with it. Our government claims they're helping the environment by slapping enormous taxes on fuel, and maybe it is, but knowing this lot, it's more about getting more money off us poor sods in every possible way they can.From what I've seen of America, the whole layout of most towns is based on the car culture there. Everything is spread out and has large parking lots. Many US towns would be really inconvenient to walk round. The UK is moving in that direction to some extent, with a lot more out-of-town shopping centres, but partly due to the history of the place, most of our towns are designed for pedestrians, and of course everything is much closer together than in the States, just because we don't have room to do it any other way.
You guys get better gas mileage, or something? Or do people just do less driving in the UK as compared to Americans?
We do mostly drive much smaller cars (kinda because we have to because of fuel pricing and tax)... People drive alot here.. not sure how much in comparison to the US, but the government are trying to encourage people to use public transport more often by taxing cars heavily and introducing congestion charging in places like London (have to pay like £8 every day just to go through London).
Either way, I just payed £208 to tax my car and pay roughly £40 per week on fuel (I do probably around 120 miles per week on average).
Actually, there is such a thing as a free lunch; it's just that few of us are rich enough to get to see it.
Ouch, still 2.80 or so where i live.