Well, after 3+ weeks, I have not been in a group yet, and I see very few groups except temporary ones to kill one specific mob, and those usually last 5 to 15 min max.
You havent been in a group yet? However they usually last 5-15 max? You sure about that..or is that what you...heard? And there are only temporary ones?
No that is NOT what I 'heard".
I am 21 now and have yet to be in a group that lasted more than 10 to 15 minutes. Form group to kill boss mob for quest, kill mob, group over.
Now there might be a reason for "real" groups at higher levels, but with the almost total lack of any reason to group prior to that, I wonder what kind of group skills most people will have.
GB/Agamaur/Fornost/Dol Dinen last their fair amount of time. Haven't managed to try others in beta.
As for fellowship quests, I usually do all of them that are in same area with the same group. Hence the "Goblin leader/our greatest find//weavers/Naerost" (for example) LFF's. And that takes time but also makes fun rides with a fellowship more lasting and more coherent.
Once you hit level 30, you run out of solo content. They will add more, hopefully, because I can't be bothered to be grouped all the time no matter how much I might enjoy it.
good to hear theyre going to be adding more classes and areas at some point for monster play.
Ettin moors is huge ,think alterac valley x10. I dont know what the maximum number of players per side it has,but I think you can have raid groups in there so im guessing around 40?
Yes, the Ettenmoors are quite large. I wish they would've touched more on the keep/castle sieges in the developer diary, but that's another thing I forgot to mention in my previous post.
The funny thing about monster play is you can quickly find yourself getting sucked into it. It's a nice twist on PvP and it's pretty entertaining. If they wouldn't have made the monster characters permanent, it would've been a disaster. Giving players the ability to keep and "train up" their characters make them want to invest more time (and have more fun) with monster play.
There were not many surprises with LOTRO, it is a highly polished fantasy MMOG aimed at the mass-market, it was apparently designed to compete with the likes of World of Warcraft, capturing the attention of the lowest common denominator in the PC games market. The reason I wanted to try the game is because of the franchise and it's legendary history.
LOTRO is mostly about completing NPC quests and experiencing loads of NPC content, a fine online RPG first and foremost. However, as a result, what I found to be seriously lacking is player interaction and competition, some of the aspects I find most important and advantageous for an MMOG. Player vs Player content is very limited. When players do interact it is usually only because they need something; something to complete an NPC quest or help in completing NPC quests. It's a leveling game where the most powerful characters are not necessarily the best skilled or strategic players, but the ones that have completed the most quests and leveled up the highest. Combat involves standing near something and merely clicking on buttons and items until it's dead.
LOTRO is a great game for kids or first-time online RPG players, my five year old plays this game. It's very linear, quest driven, and solo-player oriented. The game is definitely not a competitive massively multiplayer experience, even when compared to MMOGs of the past like, Ultima Online, Asheron's Call, Dark Age of Camelot and Star Wars Galaxies. However, it should do a good job at attracting and retaining the masses interested in dabbling in an online game. Just like WoW, it will need constant updates and expansions to hold a player's interest for the long-term.
One of the best things about the game is the founder's key. For $199 you can buy a lifetime account, with no subscription fee, that's a good deal for a highly polished MMOG, as I have no doubt the game will be around for many years
You don't understand a thing. Lotro is not a game only for solo. When you get to lvl 18, most quests are to be done in parties, and the solo quests decrease in number as your level increases. It's not for kinds. There are a lot of mature people. Kid may find it too boring sincerly. It's played most by grown up people.
A living creature that has stopped evolving is not worth existing.
Thank you to the OP. I've been looking for a real review, not something from a fanboi. I'm also a vet mmo player, playing UO when it first came out. LOTR got too many "GREAT" reviews and I suspect it's just another perfected version of everything else out there (just like vanguard). I'm looking for something original, and I want to take a break from swords and magic for a while. Too bad Star Trek Online tanked.
I guess I'll just stop playing MMOs for a while aind wait for something original to come out!
- Phos
AAH! A troll fire! Quick, pour some Kool-Aid on it!!!
Thank you to the OP. I've been looking for a real review, not something from a fanboi. I'm also a vet mmo player, playing UO when it first came out. LOTR got too many "GREAT" reviews and I suspect it's just another perfected version of everything else out there (just like vanguard). I'm looking for something original, and I want to take a break from swords and magic for a while. Too bad Star Trek Online tanked. I guess I'll just stop playing MMOs for a while aind wait for something original to come out!
- Phos
The OP in no way at all gave a review of this game, let alone a "real" review. There was nothing in it that you could even tell they had actually played the game it was so generic. You should try out roma victor then right away..the OP gives it a thumbs up.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
So what do we gain from your post? Pretty much nothing. A claim that a review never took place when one did. An assumption that I recommend RV, when don't necessarily do. And, an additional post from me to make you aware.
The very least you could be is specific. If you disagree with something, specifically point out what it is and then explain why you don't agree.
Your opinion is that I in no way reviewed the game. That sounds like pure denial to me. I purposely kept my review short as an overall summary of the game compared to other MMOs - very few like to read a lengthy review. I'm not necessarily giving a "thumbs up" for Roma Victor either. That is an assumption from you: http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/129177 So what do we gain from your post? Pretty much nothing. A claim that a review never took place when one did. An assumption that I recommend RV, when don't necessarily do. And, an additional post from me to make you aware. The very least you could be is specific. If you disagree with something, specifically point out what it is and then explain why you don't agree.
I apologize. There was nothing wrong with your original post. It was your opinion of a game. My comment were towards the poster i replied to. I see how you could have thought i was flaming you now that i re-read my post. However, It was not a "review" of the game. It was your opinion. Some of which were wrong. Solo-oriented game for instance. The last hlaf of the levels is almost entirely group oriented. Reviews shouldnt mislead people or only tell half the story. Again i apologize, iwas commenting to the other poster who was dismissing every other review that has been made as from a fanboi. Gotta go to work now but ill continue this later if you like.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Well, after 3+ weeks, I have not been in a group yet, and I see very few groups except temporary ones to kill one specific mob, and those usually last 5 to 15 min max.
You havent been in a group yet? However they usually last 5-15 max? You sure about that..or is that what you...heard? And there are only temporary ones?
No that is NOT what I 'heard".
I am 21 now and have yet to be in a group that lasted more than 10 to 15 minutes. Form group to kill boss mob for quest, kill mob, group over.
Now there might be a reason for "real" groups at higher levels, but with the almost total lack of any reason to group prior to that, I wonder what kind of group skills most people will have.
Hang on. In your previous post you said "I have not been in a group yet" and now we learn that you "have yet to be in a group that laster more than 10 or 15 minutes". You either lied in your original post or have very bad problems trying to express yourself. Either way you opinions are obviously not to be trusted.
To the people who said their five year olds play this game: good for you for spawning prodigies of the human race, i didn't know that five year olds could read without interuppting their nap time at pre-school
So, are you done with this game? Movin on and not coming back? I understand your points on interaction and competition. Some are valid, some are of your own doing. Either way I'd hate to see ya give up so early after launch. But you understand that the health of the game comes before player vs player. If it isnt done right the first time its screwed forever. There is Monster play as a base to start from and it will be extremely popular once the people start getting into it. I have seen it. And whether i agree with you or not I know you'd be one of the leaders of this cause for a large portion of the playerbase. So what ever game gets ya is a lucky community.
It is there now though in other ways. You start seeing it when you start doing group quests. Not all of them are gank the boss. Some of them are damn hard even with a few people 4-5 levels above the mission. You HAVE to use stradegy to complete them. A burgler has to land that stun or everyone dies type situation. If a hunter does a rain of arrows area damage and breaks that stun (common mistake) everyone dies. A minstrel does a last second fear when they know they cant get a heal off to save the guardian or everyone dies. You get swarmed and you know everyone is going down and outta no where you get a group conjunction thats just barley enough to finish the job. And every group has a different make-up..2 hunters this time or a group with 4 champs or whatever. EVERY class has some skill that will either make or brake the whole quest and you either all work together and perform or you all die. Thats why its starts out solo and builds up. You gotta learn your skills by the 30's. And the way the quests are set up i gotta say it does a good job. Even if you solo til then and dont have the group skills knowledge..you learn damn fast. Just tiny little things like a hunter using their strength buff instead of precision can kill your whole group. And every once in a while you get a group that performs their task perfectly and you finish the quest better than imagined...you and your group actually feel proud (cause that dont happen way too often even if you've done the quest several time before). I know its a good feeling to defeat another player, but its also a good feeling to save your partners butt, and the groups in turn. Its some fun stuff. Its what hooked me and my friends..and if you knew the types of games we are looking for you'd ask what in the hell are we doing here? But, we are all having fun..and we dont have to play 8 hours a day to do it. This is what games are all about. I doubt I'll ever work a game like a job again...unless its pre-cu
I rarely think before i post obviously and make myself look like a dick sometimes..Sorry if I did anywhere. Best of luck.
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Just wait till you actually do an instance. Anybody who says this game isn't team based, or hard, never did a group instance.
lol, Angamar, Fornost of even the Great Barrows are really difficult 6 man content. My guild hasn't had so much fun, or such a hard time in a long time. Later levels, (post 30) the game starts to become much more group oriented, its very hard to get level around there solo. I wouldn't argue you wrote a review. But I would give it very little value as it appears to be solely surface observations. As for your child playing it. It was very nice of you to take that poke at people who enjoy this game, but it was an unnecessary insult. At that point I stopped taking you seriously as a person with an opinion and thought of you as a silly Troll. I'm sure many came to the same conclusion.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
I think there are loads of people who prefer more competitive games over ones like lotro, like me. Problem is, there aren't any out right now and won't be for awhile. I feel like ive been waiting around for the PERFECT MMO or the next great game for the past year or so and nothing has surfaced as of yet. For people who are just entering their summer break and going to have a lot of free time, and are looking for something to hold a bit of attention for awhile, I think this game would be a great choice. It might not incorporate everything I have wanted in an MMO, and might be lacking in some areas, but is definitely worth the purchase IMO.
So, are you done with this game? Movin on and not coming back? I understand your points on interaction and competition.
Of course not! I will probably play some more later on and I have to help my son quite a bit when he plays. Like I said, it just wore out for me; there's nothing better than competing directly with other real people on all levels. Even when you group in quests you are still fighting the computer, it was fun for a few months. The monster play was not up to par with other games that have more of a focus on player versus player environments, which are the ultimate challenge within a game. I hope that the competitiveness in LOTRO will be improved over time, even at the lower levels.
And, I guess that is what I am really looking for after years of MMO gaming, a long-term game. One where I can learn the rules and equipment, build up my characters and then just enjoy playing and competing without having to re-learn the rules every time an expansion comes out. Without constantly releasing new content, which is very difficult to do while maintaining the integrity and balance of existing gameplay and mechanics, the only way a game can remain interesting in the long term is through direct player competition on all levels from crafting to kingships. Even when a game is extended through a constant cycle of NPC content, it eventually comes to the point where content grows old.
In the long run, there's just nothing better than competing directly with other people.
Well I would agree with some part so of it but I wouldnt agree that its a childrens only game, if that was the case then some serious players that I have known for many years wouldnt be here and addicted as they are.
My view is 'yes' its down to completing quests to level, but arent all games, and you need to group to complete harder ones, there are future addons coming with new lands to explore, professions galore which require team work to progress the game is beautiful to look at, infact the best yet out on the market, and it really is imo whatever you make from it, you 'll get what you want.
I havent seen any PvP stuff at the moment only normal duelling so cant comment on that side, but it isnt like WoW, SWG and DAoC, but that may be because I havent found it or explored that side of the game, but again if its PvP a player wants then lotr may not be their style, if however its RP'ing, questing, socialising and generally enjoying a very polished game then lotr is in my view a good game that achieves all that: and for something so early on this is a great achievement with hopefully more to come with addons
I have been playing MMO since UO and is an avid PvE player (PvP is totally not my cup of tea). I find LOTRO to be very satisfying. I played WoW for a long time, and LOTRO is just what I need, a new, fresh batch of PvE contents for me and my friends to go through together. We level together, we do fellowship and epic story quests together. It's a blast
Just want to say that don't assume all "veteran" MMO players have the same taste as you
QFT !!!
A great PvE game it is, and sure is harder then WoW to play solo ( wich is good )
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Well I would agree with some part so of it but I wouldnt agree that its a childrens only game, if that was the case then some serious players that I have known for many years wouldnt be here and addicted as they are. My view is 'yes' its down to completing quests to level, but arent all games, and you need to group to complete harder ones, there are future addons coming with new lands to explore, professions galore which require team work to progress the game is beautiful to look at, infact the best yet out on the market, and it really is imo whatever you make from it, you 'll get what you want.
I havent seen any PvP stuff at the moment only normal duelling so cant comment on that side, but it isnt like WoW, SWG and DAoC, but that may be because I havent found it or explored that side of the game, but again if its PvP a player wants then lotr may not be their style, if however its RP'ing, questing, socialising and generally enjoying a very polished game then lotr is in my view a good game that achieves all that: and for something so early on this is a great achievement with hopefully more to come with addons
Again QFT, they game is what it promises to be, a great PvE game, that works hard to stay true to the LOTR lore and has good graphics and alot of polish.
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I don't agree that it was designed to compete with WoW for the fact that it could never capture with the same zeal, a population like WoW. WoW had a long time fan base, due to the three RTSes from the Warcraft series, which even EA only has one title that comes to compete with it (CnC, Tiberium War series). So, it's not surprising to recognize this fact, but for you not to is a bit surprising to me to say the least. What would have been proper is to say it was an attempt by Turbine to ride the 'WoW-ifaction' of the MMO market, which it did with a number of features (Instances for all chapter quests save for the mob-kill/harvest quests, fairly uniform classes [save for Captain and Lore-master, which are oddly the hardest classes I've ever played and the least understood by most players], and a small world size). All in all, to say the game is easy, I don't agree. This game oddly also tries to mimic another game, Vanguard, in the respect of making quests post level 10 to be harder and group orientated. Even some so-called solo quests in post level 10 territory requires a bit more thinking than smashing the buttons in my personal experience (having a level 25, lore-master and a level 11 burglar here). None the less, I do agree that this is your typical brand X MMO. I have no clue as to why you think it would have been otherwise. If you want art, you have to pay for it. If you want to see what company X has to offer, you go to the Wal*mart, but don't expect the best from the Wal*mart as it were.
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You havent been in a group yet? However they usually last 5-15 max? You sure about that..or is that what you...heard? And there are only temporary ones?
No that is NOT what I 'heard".
I am 21 now and have yet to be in a group that lasted more than 10 to 15 minutes. Form group to kill boss mob for quest, kill mob, group over.
Now there might be a reason for "real" groups at higher levels, but with the almost total lack of any reason to group prior to that, I wonder what kind of group skills most people will have.
GB/Agamaur/Fornost/Dol Dinen last their fair amount of time. Haven't managed to try others in beta.
As for fellowship quests, I usually do all of them that are in same area with the same group. Hence the "Goblin leader/our greatest find//weavers/Naerost" (for example) LFF's. And that takes time but also makes fun rides with a fellowship more lasting and more coherent.
Once you hit level 30, you run out of solo content. They will add more, hopefully, because I can't be bothered to be grouped all the time no matter how much I might enjoy it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWgGc2JV2A
http://www.straightdope.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWgGc2JV2A
I wish more people would post fact like you insead of "I heard" or "I think its this...therefore its fact".
Call it whatever you want, its PvP. Maybe it doesn't suit what some people want but oh well, lifes unfair that way.
This explains LotROs version of PvP pretty well.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWgGc2JV2A
good to hear theyre going to be adding more classes and areas at some point for monster play.
Ettin moors is huge ,think alterac valley x10. I dont know what the maximum number of players per side it has,but I think you can have raid groups in there so im guessing around 40?
yeah that monster play seems very interesting...i wouldnt mind giving that a try...
The funny thing about monster play is you can quickly find yourself getting sucked into it. It's a nice twist on PvP and it's pretty entertaining. If they wouldn't have made the monster characters permanent, it would've been a disaster. Giving players the ability to keep and "train up" their characters make them want to invest more time (and have more fun) with monster play.
A living creature that has stopped evolving is not worth existing.
Thank you to the OP. I've been looking for a real review, not something from a fanboi. I'm also a vet mmo player, playing UO when it first came out. LOTR got too many "GREAT" reviews and I suspect it's just another perfected version of everything else out there (just like vanguard). I'm looking for something original, and I want to take a break from swords and magic for a while. Too bad Star Trek Online tanked.
I guess I'll just stop playing MMOs for a while aind wait for something original to come out!
- Phos
The OP in no way at all gave a review of this game, let alone a "real" review. There was nothing in it that you could even tell they had actually played the game it was so generic. You should try out roma victor then right away..the OP gives it a thumbs up.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Your opinion is that I in no way reviewed the game. That sounds like pure denial to me.
I purposely kept my review short as an overall summary of the game compared to other MMOs - very few like to read a lengthy review.
I'm not necessarily giving a "thumbs up" for Roma Victor either. That is an assumption from you:
http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/129177
So what do we gain from your post? Pretty much nothing. A claim that a review never took place when one did. An assumption that I recommend RV, when don't necessarily do. And, an additional post from me to make you aware.
The very least you could be is specific. If you disagree with something, specifically point out what it is and then explain why you don't agree.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
You havent been in a group yet? However they usually last 5-15 max? You sure about that..or is that what you...heard? And there are only temporary ones?
No that is NOT what I 'heard".
I am 21 now and have yet to be in a group that lasted more than 10 to 15 minutes. Form group to kill boss mob for quest, kill mob, group over.
Now there might be a reason for "real" groups at higher levels, but with the almost total lack of any reason to group prior to that, I wonder what kind of group skills most people will have.
Hang on. In your previous post you said "I have not been in a group yet" and now we learn that you "have yet to be in a group that laster more than 10 or 15 minutes". You either lied in your original post or have very bad problems trying to express yourself. Either way you opinions are obviously not to be trusted.
That is a flat out lie, Hairysun. And you have completely fabricated the above story to go with your lie.
My original post was edited for a few spelling mistakes before ANY replies were EVER made, check for yourself.
Factual proof:
Original post: This message was edited on 5/08/07 at 9:24:30 PM
First Reply: StanlyManly 5/08/07 9:33:49 PM
Hey Semp,
So, are you done with this game? Movin on and not coming back? I understand your points on interaction and competition. Some are valid, some are of your own doing. Either way I'd hate to see ya give up so early after launch. But you understand that the health of the game comes before player vs player. If it isnt done right the first time its screwed forever. There is Monster play as a base to start from and it will be extremely popular once the people start getting into it. I have seen it. And whether i agree with you or not I know you'd be one of the leaders of this cause for a large portion of the playerbase. So what ever game gets ya is a lucky community.
It is there now though in other ways. You start seeing it when you start doing group quests. Not all of them are gank the boss. Some of them are damn hard even with a few people 4-5 levels above the mission. You HAVE to use stradegy to complete them. A burgler has to land that stun or everyone dies type situation. If a hunter does a rain of arrows area damage and breaks that stun (common mistake) everyone dies. A minstrel does a last second fear when they know they cant get a heal off to save the guardian or everyone dies. You get swarmed and you know everyone is going down and outta no where you get a group conjunction thats just barley enough to finish the job. And every group has a different make-up..2 hunters this time or a group with 4 champs or whatever. EVERY class has some skill that will either make or brake the whole quest and you either all work together and perform or you all die. Thats why its starts out solo and builds up. You gotta learn your skills by the 30's. And the way the quests are set up i gotta say it does a good job. Even if you solo til then and dont have the group skills knowledge..you learn damn fast. Just tiny little things like a hunter using their strength buff instead of precision can kill your whole group. And every once in a while you get a group that performs their task perfectly and you finish the quest better than imagined...you and your group actually feel proud (cause that dont happen way too often even if you've done the quest several time before). I know its a good feeling to defeat another player, but its also a good feeling to save your partners butt, and the groups in turn. Its some fun stuff. Its what hooked me and my friends..and if you knew the types of games we are looking for you'd ask what in the hell are we doing here? But, we are all having fun..and we dont have to play 8 hours a day to do it. This is what games are all about. I doubt I'll ever work a game like a job again...unless its pre-cu
I rarely think before i post obviously and make myself look like a dick sometimes..Sorry if I did anywhere. Best of luck.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
lol, Angamar, Fornost of even the Great Barrows are really difficult 6 man content. My guild hasn't had so much fun, or such a hard time in a long time. Later levels, (post 30) the game starts to become much more group oriented, its very hard to get level around there solo. I wouldn't argue you wrote a review. But I would give it very little value as it appears to be solely surface observations. As for your child playing it. It was very nice of you to take that poke at people who enjoy this game, but it was an unnecessary insult. At that point I stopped taking you seriously as a person with an opinion and thought of you as a silly Troll. I'm sure many came to the same conclusion.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Of course not! I will probably play some more later on and I have to help my son quite a bit when he plays. Like I said, it just wore out for me; there's nothing better than competing directly with other real people on all levels. Even when you group in quests you are still fighting the computer, it was fun for a few months. The monster play was not up to par with other games that have more of a focus on player versus player environments, which are the ultimate challenge within a game. I hope that the competitiveness in LOTRO will be improved over time, even at the lower levels.
And, I guess that is what I am really looking for after years of MMO gaming, a long-term game. One where I can learn the rules and equipment, build up my characters and then just enjoy playing and competing without having to re-learn the rules every time an expansion comes out. Without constantly releasing new content, which is very difficult to do while maintaining the integrity and balance of existing gameplay and mechanics, the only way a game can remain interesting in the long term is through direct player competition on all levels from crafting to kingships. Even when a game is extended through a constant cycle of NPC content, it eventually comes to the point where content grows old.
In the long run, there's just nothing better than competing directly with other people.
I havent seen any PvP stuff at the moment only normal duelling so cant comment on that side, but it isnt like WoW, SWG and DAoC, but that may be because I havent found it or explored that side of the game, but again if its PvP a player wants then lotr may not be their style, if however its RP'ing, questing, socialising and generally enjoying a very polished game then lotr is in my view a good game that achieves all that: and for something so early on this is a great achievement with hopefully more to come with addons
QFT !!!
A great PvE game it is, and sure is harder then WoW to play solo ( wich is good )
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site :
http://mmodata.blogspot.be/
Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site :
http://mmodata.blogspot.be/
Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
I don't agree that it was designed to compete with WoW for the fact that it could never capture with the same zeal, a population like WoW. WoW had a long time fan base, due to the three RTSes from the Warcraft series, which even EA only has one title that comes to compete with it (CnC, Tiberium War series). So, it's not surprising to recognize this fact, but for you not to is a bit surprising to me to say the least. What would have been proper is to say it was an attempt by Turbine to ride the 'WoW-ifaction' of the MMO market, which it did with a number of features (Instances for all chapter quests save for the mob-kill/harvest quests, fairly uniform classes [save for Captain and Lore-master, which are oddly the hardest classes I've ever played and the least understood by most players], and a small world size). All in all, to say the game is easy, I don't agree. This game oddly also tries to mimic another game, Vanguard, in the respect of making quests post level 10 to be harder and group orientated. Even some so-called solo quests in post level 10 territory requires a bit more thinking than smashing the buttons in my personal experience (having a level 25, lore-master and a level 11 burglar here). None the less, I do agree that this is your typical brand X MMO. I have no clue as to why you think it would have been otherwise. If you want art, you have to pay for it. If you want to see what company X has to offer, you go to the Wal*mart, but don't expect the best from the Wal*mart as it were.
-- Brede