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no stealth, What about Crowd-Control?
nyquil
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anyone hear anything about CC being in this game at all?
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From that I would guess that CC of other players will be limited. Sorry I'm going off information from a long time ago, so i can't come up with a citation for you.
damn i do hope they give AOE limited CC abilities to atleast one class of each side because if thier is no form of CC im guessing gameplay will be similuar to WoW's old school tauren mill or AleracValley pvp. (aka no skill pvp, all caster spam) can even compare it to DaoC TOA/NEW FRONTIERS era where casters ruled and melee had to wait around controlling catapults.
CC is so good for small groups, its the only tool available when outnumbered by a zerg of unstructred unorganized unskilled players. =p
hate to compare this game to WoW already, sorry in advanced, but think of it as a group of 5 awsome players over vent versus 2-3 groups of enemy players.... with wows setup its nearly impossible to kill when outnumbered because skill factor isnt thier, its more of gear/damage... i dont want to see WH:O be anything near WoW pvp. And lastly not to mention zerg/zerg style combat makes melee classes suck. ( remember trying to play a warrior in AV? even if u had a priest chain healing u it still sucked) but this is all speculation on comparing WoW to WAR.
BOTTOM LINE IS WOW PVP = NO AOE CC = WOW PVP BEING COMPLETE AND UTTER CRAP!
pro cc 4tw. i love you.
There are alot of slows/snares but not alot of "HA YOU CANT DO NUTTIN" type spells.
slow spells make for better tactics between caster/melee anyway
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I believe some of the combat is instanced into smaller groups, and balanced to be equal. But in open world Pvp, maybe, just maybe smaller groups should organize their efforts with other groups, to combat zerging. If a smaller group runs into a large one it should flee, and look for other targets.... not charge in w/o high level CC and destroy the zerg.
So far from what I seen, Mythic considered long term CC a mistake in DAOC, along with stealth, and have limited the impact of both in the game.
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Follow this links to see some class skills. The hammerer especially seems to have some nasty cc moves!
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looks like im going to roll a caster because by the sounds of WAR end game RVR ... honestly have the impression of a large zerg traveling through the choke points as they try to gain momentum to the capitol. ( aka tauren mill style pvp)
man tanks suck in that scenario so bad, this is unless the WAR devs make tanks have crazy ridiculous ammounts of HPS.
anyways thanks for the replies guys, very informative and friendly, good sign of community.
notice games actually built from scratch for pvp (like Guild Wars) dont include stuff like Stealth and CC. We have all seen these elements in MMOs for years. You claim you hated WoW but you asking for one of the things that made WoW and other games not fun. Do you think its fun for a meleer to get snared, slowed to a crawl, and burned to bits by a caster without even getting in one hit?
Short term CC is okay like knockdowns etc but I say no to long term. Go play city of heroes and come back and tell me how much you enjoy getting 'phased out of reality' for 30 seconds, helpless to do anything while your friends get steamrolled.
Now I see why so many MMOs are carbon copies of each other because people keep asking for worn out mechanics over and over making the Devs think they need uninspired stuff like that to sustain a customer base.
hell yeah 8man elite gank groups were the shit! but its not our fault our 8man group is able to roll 2-3 groups, its the unorginization of the larger groups. I guarentee regardless of RA's if the 2-3 groups were on a system like VENT it would be nearly impossible to be rolled, but skill also comes into play.
I loved 8 man vs 8 man and i was hoping WAR would follow this gameplay but i dont see it happening so ill prob hop on the caster bandwagon
Here's some CC information from an interview on WAR-RvR.net (The site is down right now, so here's a link to the repost on Warhammer Alliance)
www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php
Q. How will the less armored careers such as casters and ranged characters stay out of melee range with the reduced cc emphasis in WAR? We have seen some examples of this so far with the Squig Herders paralyzing arrow and the bright wizards pyro daze what other abilities do you think will help players maintain their distance?
A. It's not that there's no CC (crowd control) in WAR, it's reduced in such that, we don't want one player affecting huge groups of players. We don't want situations like in DaoC where one class could come in AoE, Stun and Reign Hell on entire group. That being said, every Ranged class will have a way of getting out of combat. Every melee class will have ways of keeping people in combat. For example the Engineer to get out of combat, has a situational flash bang grenade or spanner where he can drop it on the ground, stun the enemy for a brief period of time, and as long as he doesn't attack, he can get a couple steps away. However he can't use that in every fight so you'll use that tactic a lot more strategically. The game is really there for co-op play. You want a Tank there taking damage. You want a Black Orc throwing someone out of your way so you can keep attacking.
This seems to answer some questions at least.
You have to remember that WAR is mostly a PvP game. So skills like CC may not be able to keep balance