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So despite all the bad stuff being said about vanguard, I'm still feeling compelled to try it. One set back is my PC, its not top of the line, and I dont wanna lag to much, or have to run the game low. My question is, how well should my pc be able to handle vanguard?



P4 3.06 GHz

1.5 G Ram

Nvidia GeForce 7900 Gs 256Mb



Also, I would like to be able to have a pretty far draw distance, think its possible on this machine?

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  • DocSpectrumDocSpectrum Member CommonPosts: 26

    To be honest...it really doesn't matter what system you have...High-end or low-end..the game runs like crap on most systems...Now you'll have a few posts saying...noo.nooo..it runs great on my machine, but you gotta tweek this or tweek that or run defrag everytime you run the game..blah..blah...blahh...Bottom line the game itself is in bad shape, it was released to early and is suffering now becuase of that.

     

    I'm a huge Vanguard fan...I'm not playing right now because where the game is, but hopefully in 8-9 months I plan on returning and checking it out...

     

    So to answer your question...yes you can run it...can you run it well?  Well that depends on what "well" means to you....and if Vanguard ever runs "well" is up for debate.

     

    :)

  • fariic1fariic1 Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by DocSpectrum


    To be honest...it really doesn't matter what system you have...High-end or low-end..the game runs like crap on most systems...Now you'll have a few posts saying...noo.nooo..it runs great on my machine, but you gotta tweek this or tweek that or run defrag everytime you run the game..blah..blah...blahh...Bottom line the game itself is in bad shape, it was released to early and is suffering now becuase of that. Lies.  Unless you've played the game on every system you can't even make a statement like this. 
    AMD Athlon 64x2 4xxx (cant remember exactly)

    Nvidia 7950 Pci-E at 256 mb

    2gb Ram (and the cheap stuff at that)

    300 gb hard drave at half capacity.

    I do not have to defrag, or tweak.  They have improved performance, and added options to the video settings to better adjust the graphical settings.  The tweaks were there from beta and release, and are not neccesary unless you have an older system.
     
    I'm a huge Vanguard fan...I'm not playing right now because where the game is, but hopefully in 8-9 months I plan on returning and checking it out...  A fan wouldn't lie to convince others not to play.  A rabid fan would lie to get others to play.  An honest fan will tell you the truth and inform you that like any game it is entirely up to you if you'll like the game or not.
     
    So to answer your question...yes you can run it...can you run it well?  Well that depends on what "well" means to you....and if Vanguard ever runs "well" is up for debate.  No it's not up for debate.  VG doesn't run well for me, it runs great.  I do not lag and my frame rate is very nice.  I can go anywhere from 40-50 fps in the wild depending on the enviroment and number of character models running around.  It will dip to the mid 30's in town, but can be brought right back up to the 40's and 50's by simply adjusting a couple video settings.
     
    :)

    Lies.

    Yes, your system should run the game well.  You're not going to be able to turn all the setting up, but you should do ok with the card you got.  And the processor isn't bad for not being dual core.

    You'll be able to set the draw distance way up there, and even at 50% it's pretty good.

    If you decide to give it a go then play with the settings some and find the fit for you.  Volumetric clouds and tree detail lvls can bring frame rate down.  Volumetric clouds is just fluff and not needed.  The tree details can look like real crap if you turn it down low.  I keep it around 80% and most of the time I can't even see a low detail tree at that setting.  You can turn off bump mapping and it wont have that much effect on the look, is nicer with it on but not that big of a deal.  You can also adjust the envirmental textures, and in my opinion I haven't figured out wich looks better.  The low or the high detail.  In all there are a lot of options in the video setting now.

    I would say give it a go.  It's gonna be the game itself that will either appeal to you or not, and theres no way to know without playing.

  • haddock1haddock1 Member Posts: 37

    When I played at release I was playing with the "balanced" setting and it was ok unless you got into a croud or a big city. The FPS culd take a dive pretty hard sometimes, dunno how it is now. Didnt see any major bugs though. I played until my free month expired and decided to wait a couple of month to have a secound go. Thinking of rejoining soon as it was "my cup of tea" game afterall.

    AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+

    Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2

    1536MB RAM

    NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS

     

     

  • healz4uhealz4u Member Posts: 1,065
    Originally posted by shattyfattma

    So despite all the bad stuff being said about vanguard, I'm still feeling compelled to try it. One set back is my PC, its not top of the line, and I dont wanna lag to much, or have to run the game low. My question is, how well should my pc be able to handle vanguard?



    P4 3.06 GHz

    1.5 G Ram

    Nvidia GeForce 7900 Gs 256Mb



    Also, I would like to be able to have a pretty far draw distance, think its possible on this machine?


    My friend, do not pay any heed to any trolls/flamers; they seek to bring you down to their level (sometimes they will succeed).





    At release, my system ran Vanguard poorly.



    Today, I use HIGHEST QUALITY and ULTRA HIGH settings for graphics and details.  However, I use a GeForce 8800 Gtx.  The performance has improved for me drastically, and that is what I hear when I ask people that currently play the game.  In fact, from their recent patch notes, they are continuing to make ongoing efforts to enhance performance.  I am excited about this, because I think a lot of good people out there want to try to play this game but feel they do not have the system for it.







    Good luck!
  • SteakpuncherSteakpuncher Member Posts: 255
    Id love to try the game as well, but the performance and the reveiws are still a bit off putting. I know there are always going to be haters etc, but vanguard seems to be one of those games thats very volatile when it comes to what systems it will run on. While I would love to try it, I dont want to pay for something that may not run on my computer.



    So, is there any talk of a free trial coming out anytime soon? I thought with the current performance of the game being less than they wanted they would at least try to tempt some people in. Hell, even a 10 hour limit on the trial would be enough for me to make my decision, but as I've said in some other threads, the best thing I can do is trust the majority of reveiws and information from the internet.
  • fariic1fariic1 Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by Atomicide

    Id love to try the game as well, but the performance and the reveiws are still a bit off putting. I know there are always going to be haters etc, but vanguard seems to be one of those games thats very volatile when it comes to what systems it will run on. While I would love to try it, I dont want to pay for something that may not run on my computer.



    So, is there any talk of a free trial coming out anytime soon? I thought with the current performance of the game being less than they wanted they would at least try to tempt some people in. Hell, even a 10 hour limit on the trial would be enough for me to make my decision, but as I've said in some other threads, the best thing I can do is trust the majority of reveiws and information from the internet.
    There is a thread were you could try your luck getting a buddy key, or maybe post a thread asking for one.  You could get flamed to high hell for it but if you can ignore the hate you may be able to get one.  If I had them to give out I would, but I downloaded the game for the preorder and didn't get any with it.
  • SteakpuncherSteakpuncher Member Posts: 255
    Originally posted by fariic1

    Originally posted by Atomicide

    Id love to try the game as well, but the performance and the reveiws are still a bit off putting. I know there are always going to be haters etc, but vanguard seems to be one of those games thats very volatile when it comes to what systems it will run on. While I would love to try it, I dont want to pay for something that may not run on my computer.



    So, is there any talk of a free trial coming out anytime soon? I thought with the current performance of the game being less than they wanted they would at least try to tempt some people in. Hell, even a 10 hour limit on the trial would be enough for me to make my decision, but as I've said in some other threads, the best thing I can do is trust the majority of reveiws and information from the internet.
    There is a thread were you could try your luck getting a buddy key, or maybe post a thread asking for one.  You could get flamed to high hell for it but if you can ignore the hate you may be able to get one.  If I had them to give out I would, but I downloaded the game for the preorder and didn't get any with it.



    Im not going to post a thread as im not entirely desperate for a key, same reason I wont post in the request thread. There's been about 2 pages of solid requests now so obviously there isn't anyone with a spare buddy key. I expect Sigil or SOE will release some kind of trial soon ig they want things to pick up.
  • shattyfattmashattyfattma Member Posts: 16
    I've posted in many threads for buddy keys. but there doesnt seem to be enough. Although, there does seem to be alot of people interested in the game.
  • fariic1fariic1 Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by shattyfattma

    I've posted in many threads for buddy keys. but there doesnt seem to be enough. Although, there does seem to be alot of people interested in the game.
    You could try Silky Venom or one of the other affiliated sites for a buddy key.  Who knows, you might get lucky.
  • fariic1fariic1 Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by mcharj11

    As long as you are using windows XP you should be ok in balanced settings. If you like me have Vista don't bother playing the game until they have actually made it Vista compatible, i got crashed to desktop on a regular basis if i played above balanced and my rig specs are Intel quad core cpu, Geforce 8800Gtx, 4Gb Dominator and a WD Raptor X hard drive and i think you all will agree that the game should run at high or ultra with those specs. So for me i place the blame on Vista compatability but i fyou are running on XP i don't see why you should have any problems.

    Sure, just make my computer sound like crap man. 

    I envy you.

  • DocSpectrumDocSpectrum Member CommonPosts: 26

    ok..Shattyfattma..Give it a shot..if it runs great..good for you..you are one of the lucky ones..I will agree that performance has increased alot since Beta and release..but there is more than just performance hurting VG right now..

    oh yeah..a couple of other things to keep in mind...besides performance..

    Server populations stink

    Hacks/Exploits have made the economy a joke

    But..by all means...give it a shot...really...you need to make up your own mind...Forums are for opinions, I gave mine..and as you can see...there are many others in regards to Vanguard....I'm not going to go down to the fan boy levels and start firing off name calling and such...it's childish.  You'll form your own opinions, but if you have played any recent MMO's I think you'll realize that while VG has alot of potential it's not there yet..and it is definately going through some growing pains right now....They wouldn't be selling out to SOE if everything was hunky dory now would they?

  • fariic1fariic1 Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by mcharj11

    Originally posted by fariic1

    Originally posted by mcharj11

    As long as you are using windows XP you should be ok in balanced settings. If you like me have Vista don't bother playing the game until they have actually made it Vista compatible, i got crashed to desktop on a regular basis if i played above balanced and my rig specs are Intel quad core cpu, Geforce 8800Gtx, 4Gb Dominator and a WD Raptor X hard drive and i think you all will agree that the game should run at high or ultra with those specs. So for me i place the blame on Vista compatability but i fyou are running on XP i don't see why you should have any problems.

    Sure, just make my computer sound like crap man. 

    I envy you.


    Well it's ironic you saying that really beacuse atleast you have your computer at the moment, im using my brothers. I had been unfortunate with my computer to have installed an Asus Striker extreme motherboard which after about a month of having it all it's memory banks failed and major BSOD followed. The board has been sent away to Asus but i hear you have to usually wait around 8 weeks to get it or a replacement. So i could say i envy you as your computer works.

    That really sucks; sorry to hear that.

    I'm not sure what I would do if my PC went down.  I'm bored enough with it working.

  • fariic1fariic1 Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by DocSpectrum


    ok..Shattyfattma..Give it a shot..if it runs great..good for you..you are one of the lucky ones..I will agree that performance has increased alot since Beta and release..but there is more than just performance hurting VG right now..  When any game runs great on any PC then we can all consider ourselves lucky, but then great is a much higher expectation of PC gaming then I'm willing to give myself.
    oh yeah..a couple of other things to keep in mind...besides performance..
    Server populations stink  Servers could use more people, but that's not the point of the thread is it?
    Hacks/Exploits have made the economy a joke  Yeah man, VG is the only game that has ever had a coin dupping bug in it.
    But..by all means...give it a shot...really...you need to make up your own mind...Forums are for opinions, I gave mine..and as you can see...there are many others in regards to Vanguard....I'm not going to go down to the fan boy levels and start firing off name calling and such...it's childish.  You'll form your own opinions, but if you have played any recent MMO's I think you'll realize that while VG has alot of potential it's not there yet..and it is definately going through some growing pains right now....They wouldn't be selling out to SOE if everything was hunky dory now would they?  Your last sentence is a blatant lie.  There is something going on with Sigil and SoE, but we haven't been told what.



    No one called you a name.  You don't have to stoop to the "fan boy level" because I'm quite capable of doing it for the both of us.

    I'm sorry you were incapable of giving the OP an honest answer.

  • TeganxTeganx Member Posts: 401
    I dont plat VG aymore because the game was just garbage. This is the first MMO I have ever said that about. I very much enjoyed FFXI, L2, CoV, GW, WoW, EQ2, and now LOTRO. Anyways when I was playing vanguard it was on a macbook pro with 2 gigs of ram, 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, and a Radeon x1600 and I ran the game with no problems at all on medium settings, and that isnt bad. Keep in mind this was at release, long before all of the recent performance boosts. I could probably run it on high now. Just goes to show that all of these crazy home built super computers are really overrated.





    Anyways I would highly suggest that you kick it up to 2 gigs of ram. Ram will make or break you.

    playing: darkfall
    waiting: earthrise

  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495
    Originally posted by shattyfattma

    So despite all the bad stuff being said about vanguard, I'm still feeling compelled to try it. One set back is my PC, its not top of the line, and I dont wanna lag to much, or have to run the game low. My question is, how well should my pc be able to handle vanguard?



    P4 3.06 GHz

    1.5 G Ram

    Nvidia GeForce 7900 Gs 256Mb



    Also, I would like to be able to have a pretty far draw distance, think its possible on this machine?

    To answer your question....you have every right to worry  Now seriusly the game will run with your CPU and GPU but the memory might not be enough let me be clear i do not have current experiance with P4's as i'm since a few years into AMD so unsure how memory and p4's handles compared to AMD (4400+X2+EN7900GT) and memory. For my system 2gig mem. is minimum (sure could just trow in only 512 and the system will run, but my  hobby among other things is for the large part  gaming and therefor atleast with AMD and XP atleast need 2gig of ram. Doing it with near 4gig and still have some lag when its busy in city area's but for the most part its quite alright to handle. There are still chunks : http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chunklinedemove3.flv and without sufficient memory those can make you crash, but with enough memory for now they are accepteble, not sure if i would accept them from 6 months from a year from now. But for now i can deal with it. You also might experiance fall thru world but recently when it happens with me i get spawned automaticly to a safe area, atleast this has happend 2 times without me using "/stuck yes" http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ibelieveicanflyhu0.flv

    Screenshots below might give you a indecation on fps and field of view at medium/balanced/draw at 55%/shaders down to 30% unfortunaly no AA in yet but even if its in do not think i be able to run the game with it enabled on my system to let hte game still run pretty decent.

    scroll abit to the right to see fps in the upper right corner, left if you stand inside the screenshot looking now at yourself behind the monitor

    img264/8991/screenshot00045ft5.jpg

    This area will flux between 18/20 when its about 4/5x times as busy you see above and 24/28 fps when in area's populated like you see in screeny.

    img299/2931/screenshot00020cw1.jpg

    img413/5807/screenshot00031ou9.jpg

    Wide open area's without combat ...so just running about will flux between 35/55 fps, for me it depence on weither there are structures around (35/40fps) or just wildernes (40/55fps)

    img299/1423/screenshot00029qa3.jpg

    There are some area's that still seem to have quite some bugs, atleast i did experiance more bugs/crashes/deaths in New Targonor then so far in other places, oh yeah Tanvu can be messy in some places but more performance wise for me but nothing gamebreaking.

    In the end there are mroe things to worry about hten only performance wise as thats atleast for me accepteble and runs good enough to not get frustrated by it but like everyone else if game bugs outway the fun then i will not play it, so far the difference between the frustration i sometimes get in Vanguard still does not come close to the fun i have in the game, but in time i do expect some drastic improvements but more polish wise and in some cases where i'm not aware of afcourse bugwise cause either i have not seen them personly or not that frequently like some might have them.

    Overall it will always be diffecult to say if the game will run and be enjoyeble or not. Cause even when people would have the excact same system changes are that they still might run differently compared ot eachother, and same goes for people even for those that enjoy the game they still might enjoy different aspect of a game then for example i enjoy.

    More buddykey's/trials is what would be a good move and definitly they need to adress the system spec. they announce as that really needs to be made a clear message that (atleast in my personal opinion) should required specs as they now stand on the box should be minimum spec. No need ot then explain the minimum spec would make a game run on low and then a game might not be as nice to look at or enjoyeble to play but for my honostly every game i have and when i play it on low settings i do not like what i see and rather not play such game untill atleast it can be played at a medium setting with atleast 70% of what it beholds and in time i know just like every other game i played as i keep upgrading (but that needs excact timing as now would not be the right moment yet to upgrade for me personaly and that got to do with all sorts of fixes needed in software, ranging from Vista, drivers Nvidia 8series as well game fixes and improvements. So far with most games i can play them maxed out in settings, Vanguard not yet but enjoying what it does deliver to me.

    But atleast if you want to give it a fair shot and if its possible get more ram first before trying and then get yourself a buddykey or wait for a trial, do hope in a way that mistery's 2 weeks announcement from SOE might include some "trial" news...well only time will tell and think this is the week to hear that "tell"...right

  • shattyfattmashattyfattma Member Posts: 16
    Wow, thanks for the help everyone. I think Ill just have to wait to see if they do release a trial within the next few weekss, if not I might as well just buy the game. What do I got to loose besides some money anyways?
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630

    There is a lot of inconsistency in what folks say is needed to run this game properly. I see people with low end machines claiming they have no problems. I see people with high end machines saying they can't get it to run well at all. Maybe that's because people factor in how much they like or want to promote/detract from the game. Maybe the game is more compatible with some hardware than others, even if they are of comperable quality otherwise. But i suspect it's more that Vanguard requires you to tweak a lot of stuff to get it to run ok. Just because someone has a high end machine doesn't mean they know how (or are willing) to to do those tweaks. And maybe there are people with less powerful computers who do. /shrug

    Personally I think the game needs an associated piece of software that looks your computer over carefully and then makes a series of recomendations on what to change, and you just click yes or no and it does it for you. I know the game already looks at your computer a little and sets the graphics at some recommeneded setting. But it needs more than just that. If it had such software, a lot more people could play it without having to become computer sophisticated in order to pull it off.

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    Originally posted by Amathe


    There is a lot of inconsistency in what folks say is needed to run this game properly. I see people with low end machines claiming they have no problems. I see people with high end machines saying they can't get it to run well at all. Maybe that's because people factor in how much they like or want to promote/detract from the game. Maybe the game is more compatible with some hardware than others, even if they are of comperable quality otherwise. But i suspect it's more that Vanguard requires you to tweak a lot of stuff to get it to run ok. Just because someone has a high end machine doesn't mean they know how (or are willing) to to do those tweaks. And maybe there are people with less powerful computers who do. /shrug
    Personally I think the game needs an associated piece of software that looks your computer over carefully and then makes a series of recomendations on what to change, and you just click yes or no and it does it for you. I know the game already looks at your computer a little and sets the graphics at some recommeneded setting. But it needs more than just that. If it had such software, a lot more people could play it without having to become computer sophisticated in order to pull it off.
    The truth is there are people with low and high end systems that run it great or poorly.  I read straight from a dev who was in my old EQ guild that nvidia cards can have problems in vanguard and Nvidia isn't being very cooperative in resolving issues, most notably the 8800 series I think.  Also running the game on an XP machine will get you about 10 frames per second more than on a vista machine.  Combine nvidia and vista and you have more potential problems.  There are all kinds of software/hardware combinations that can cause low performance in a game not to mention malware.





    For me, I could run everything on max settings (except shadows, didn't care for those to much) and my laptop is a 1.6 t5200 dual core intel, 2 gigs of ram with a geforce go 7600 256mb ram.  The game ran really smooth for me with some lag here and there.  Nothing I don't see in any other game though.  Things could get pretty chopping when there were a lot of people around, but that was never a problem (pun intended).





    You really want a PCI express video card, 2 gigs of ram (maybe 1.5 is the magic number?), and a fast bus speed on your CPU/Motherboard/Ram.  That is the key.  Also Vista is a resource whore for no appreciable gain in performance right now.  maybe when DX10 comes out and games start to utilize it, but for now it just used more resources than XP.





    That is what I have learned if that helps you any.
  • DocSpectrumDocSpectrum Member CommonPosts: 26
    Originally posted by fariic1

    Originally posted by DocSpectrum


    ok..Shattyfattma..Give it a shot..if it runs great..good for you..you are one of the lucky ones..I will agree that performance has increased alot since Beta and release..but there is more than just performance hurting VG right now..  When any game runs great on any PC then we can all consider ourselves lucky, but then great is a much higher expectation of PC gaming then I'm willing to give myself.
    oh yeah..a couple of other things to keep in mind...besides performance..
    Server populations stink  Servers could use more people, but that's not the point of the thread is it?
    Hacks/Exploits have made the economy a joke  Yeah man, VG is the only game that has ever had a coin dupping bug in it.
    But..by all means...give it a shot...really...you need to make up your own mind...Forums are for opinions, I gave mine..and as you can see...there are many others in regards to Vanguard....I'm not going to go down to the fan boy levels and start firing off name calling and such...it's childish.  You'll form your own opinions, but if you have played any recent MMO's I think you'll realize that while VG has alot of potential it's not there yet..and it is definately going through some growing pains right now....They wouldn't be selling out to SOE if everything was hunky dory now would they?  Your last sentence is a blatant lie.  There is something going on with Sigil and SoE, but we haven't been told what.



    No one called you a name.  You don't have to stoop to the "fan boy level" because I'm quite capable of doing it for the both of us.

    I'm sorry you were incapable of giving the OP an honest answer.

    Hey Farric...What were you saying about my last statement being a blatant lie? 

     Hate to say it....but Told ya so  Have a nice day

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  • KraeneeKraenee Member Posts: 166
    The game run sporadic when it comes to hardware.  Some people with the almost the same machines will experience different results. Nobody can seem to fully explain this.  My friend runs a 3. ? gig cpu and a 7950 and he runs the game fine on balanced.  The game has problems with duo cores and the 8800gtx. 



    Wait for the trial to see if it will run on your machine.

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