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Lineage 2 instead of wow?
Hello everyone out there.
I have recently quit wow after over two years. The first month of so was really cool when bc came out, but imo blizzard is slowly lossing their players because they dont come up with new things.
Well anyway I was surfing around the internet, and found Lineage 2.
So far I have only seen a few screenshots and so but it looks really cool. So my question is: How is Lineage 2 community? is it 50 % children and 45 % gold farmers/bots?
What about the level up. I have heard it takes a long time, but that is really not a problem for me. I know this sounds stupid but do you need to go alone all the way to max level, or is the leveling more group based?
What is there to do at the highest level?
And finally. Can anyone recommend or the opposit, this game for a ex wow gamer?
I hope some of you will take your time to answer my questions.
Nethum
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So what I was trying to say there is that you'd better have a LOT of gold (Adena) if you want to have a chance of getting decent/good gear.
But with those aside it's rather fun. You don't need to solo all the time and raids are fun as well...though without a good party (And I mean good) it'll be hard.
Aside from grinding all day, there are different kinds of wars (hero wars) and such that if you join a partiular alliance and win you gain several advantages (however I am not 100% sure on them because I never got high enough to join)
Lastly, from my experiences I do not think I would play it again haha but you never know.
They are completely different types of games. L2 is an open pvp game. The lvling has been made a bit easier at the lower lvls since time has gone on but at the higher lvls it slows down quite a bit.
Some classes have no problems soloing and others eventually require a group.
L2 is more clan/alliance based so most of your socializing comes from that. Also, in this game, clan/alliance means something. It's not just an open chartroom. With a good clan or alliance you will find your support system.
You should go to the main forums as that is a good place to start to learn about the game.
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i wouldnt recommend this game if u are wow minded.. ( not to offend u ) but this game is in no way to compare to anything but WoW
i rather recommend EQ2 if u havent tried it already
L2 is a good game, but its being overrun by bots, lvling is slow and the community isnt anymore what it used to be.
and yea i know what im talking about , i played it since release and stopped like 3 months ago.
If you claim that you have been playing L2 since release and only just recently quit then how can you possibly still have issues with bots ?
I agree that a lot of ppl have moved on but then it is up to those who remain to entice new players to try it out. Your post is neither helpfull nor acurate in describing the gameplay of Interlude.
Most legitimate longtime players have clans and respectable support structures for whom bots are a non-factor. What level are you anyway ? Even my Eva's Templar can destroy a bot group solo as long as they're in B grade gear or less, and if not then I'll change out to my DD subclass. Most bot groups will not be wearing better than B grade and often only have O/E'd C grade equipment. Any lv 76+ player worth their salt will destroy such groups with impunity even moreso if they are a DD.
Its even less of an issue for a 76+ group which cuts through bot groups like a hot knife through butter... Infact, I have not seen any bot group yet which will stand up to any reasonably equipped group of real players as long as you are not too far below in levels/equipment relative to the bot group.
Given that in L2 in order to maintain drop rate at optimal level it is relatively easy to work out the level of the bots. You compare yourself to the mobs which the bots are fighting simply by conning them... Even if they are de-levelled they will still only have the CP and HP of their current level, so as long as you have a real and not a multiboxed healer you can easily defeat a higher level bot group which will not be fast enough to react to multiple attacks on multiple characters by your player based party. They will simply log in order to conserve time and money. Sure you may get trained by their minder later on but then thats part of the game and you need to be concious of whats happening around you anyway, because if its not the botter then it may be your clan enemy who will prowl upon you... but I digress.
In the context of what I've just described then I would say no, you do not know what you are talking about at all. Any player has the ability to deal with bots in game if that is what the issue is. All it takes is a different mental approach and a team based perspective.
Regards,
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
7X Eva's Templar
Kain
AYE ELLY! THAT IS WHAT i AM LOOKING FOR IN A GAME PLAYERS WITH PASSION FOR THE GAME. FOR A GAME WITH PLAYERS OF THE LACK LUSTER TRIBE CAN ONLY MEAN THE GAME IS LACKING ITSELF IN THE ABILITY TO HOLD ONES INTEREST
IF LINEAGE2 CAN HOLD YOUR INTREST AND FIRE YOUR PASSION FOR THE GAME TELL ME WHY IF YOU CAN, I REALY WANT TO KNOW.
it's obvieous they don't care when they only ban 1 or 2 people off a bot train, mostly buffers but leaves the rest even tho they all been on walker 24/7 forever.
about combat most classes are pretty boring in pve, and then they's the screwed up pvp
If you claim that you have been playing L2 since release and only just recently quit then how can you possibly still have issues with bots ?
the game still has bot's and nothing is really being done aginst emI agree that a lot of ppl have moved on but then it is up to those who remain to entice new players to try it out. Your post is neither helpfull nor acurate in describing the gameplay of Interlude.
Most legitimate longtime players have clans and respectable support structures for whom bots are a non-factor. What level are you anyway ? Even my Eva's Templar can destroy a bot group solo as long as they're in B grade gear or less, and if not then I'll change out to my DD subclass. Most bot groups will not be wearing better than B grade and often only have O/E'd C grade equipment. Any lv 76+ player worth their salt will destroy such groups with impunity even moreso if they are a DD.
lol what?? im guessing the B graders are either much lower lvl then you or not fighting back. if where talking about catacombs or necropolishes, (witch are often filled with bots) asking for a room might give it to and other times you have to take it, thats when the bot proctetors comes, but even in B grades its not that easy to kill lvl 78+ Stormscreamers
Its even less of an issue for a 76+ group which cuts through bot groups like a hot knife through butter... Infact, I have not seen any bot group yet which will stand up to any reasonably equipped group of real players as long as you are not too far below in levels/equipment relative to the bot group.
yere if your all that lvl its esay to win, but what about everyone who isent lvl 76+?Given that in L2 in order to maintain drop rate at optimal level it is relatively easy to work out the level of the bots. You compare yourself to the mobs which the bots are fighting simply by conning them... Even if they are de-levelled they will still only have the CP and HP of their current level, so as long as you have a real and not a multiboxed healer you can easily defeat a higher level bot group which will not be fast enough to react to multiple attacks on multiple characters by your player based party. They will simply log in order to conserve time and money. Sure you may get trained by their minder later on but then thats part of the game and you need to be concious of whats happening around you anyway, because if its not the botter then it may be your clan enemy who will prowl upon you... but I digress.
usellay the bot group wont fight back unleass you pk 1 off em and go red, else they call in bot procetetors.In the context of what I've just described then I would say no, you do not know what you are talking about at all. Any player has the ability to deal with bots in game if that is what the issue is. All it takes is a different mental approach and a team based perspective.
my guess is you botted your way to 76+ before you even tagged up cause you have no clue what your talking aboutRegards,
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
7X Eva's Templar
Kain
Yes. All MMOs (with a respectable player base) have bots. That's never been a debate. I have never seen anyone say "Lineage 2 is the only MMORPG with botters/rmt". Yet the rabid L2 defenders always pull that answer out as though it's some trump card.
Further, saying "well, it's only because there's no instancing" is another disingenuous argument that seems to have been popularized by the release of WoW. The comparison might hold water if botting weren't a problem in L2 since before WoW was released. I don't care how many botters there are hidden in instances in WoW - because they're not in my face. I don't have to clear them out of an instance before I can fight there, as you have to in Necros/Cats in L2. I don't have to compete with a dozen of them swarming an area for quest mobs as I frequently had to in L2.
And how is the situation in WoW at all relevant to the one in L2 (here's a clue.. it isn't)? These people are playing L2.. not WoW. Not any other MMO. What problems WoW does or doesn't have has absolutely no bearing on the situation in L2.
That people come back with this whole "Well, you just have to pk them and clear the rooms of them so you can xp there" so completely misses the point that it bewilders me. Dealing with bots is *not* part of the intended gameplay!
Let's see how simple I can make this....
You should *not* have to clear Cats/Necros out of them.
You should *not* have to worry about some "guardian" coming in and dropping you.
You should *not* have to compete with a dozen or so of them for quest mobs in a given area.
You should *not* be paying a monthly subscription fee (for more than one account in many cases - one to play, one for private shop) to deal with L2's rmt/botting issues. And that is exactly what you're doing every time you clear out a cat or necro.. you are doing that because NCSoft won't take the issue seriously enough and deal with it.
You want to see the kinds of results a *real* effort to stop RMT in a game has? Here's a neat little activity to illustrate things...
Go to IGE... check their prices and quantities for gil on any given server in Final Fantasy XI. Then look at the price/quantity for Lineage II.
As of my writing this the figures are as follows:
On the Pandemonium server for FFXI, the lowest quantity of gil you can get is 350,000 gil for $18.93.
On Hindemith server (my old L2 server), the lowest you can buy is 13,000,000 adena for $20.78.
Shall I do the math? You can check it if you want. Numbers don't lie.
You can get about 37 *times* more adena for only $1.85 more. Quite a large difference there, isn't it. That's because IGE has far more adena in stock than gil, and so they're able to offer greater quantities at a lower cost. Basic supply and demand.
Now, once upon a time, some months back, the figures for FFXI were very similar to what they are now in Lineage II. You could buy gil in the millions for really cheap.
So what happened?
Easy. Square-Enix started taking it seriously and created a task force specifically for dealing with the issue, in addition to other major changes to help thwart the problem. SE posts monthly banning reports with the # of accounts banned, the break-down of the type of activity they were banned for and the amount of gil removed from the economy across all servers for that round - often measuring in the billions. The results speak for themselves. The economy has dropped to where it hasn't been in almost 3 years. Some items are cheaper now than I ever remember them being.
And why is this the case? Pay close attention to the italicized part... It's important.
This is the case because Square-Enix acknowledges that rmt/botters are a problem, that they disrupt the game in many ways and that their paying subscribers should not have to deal with them.
See the connection? One company deals with the issue. One doesn't.
Perhaps some of you should stop being apologists for NCSoft. Stop telling the players to "just deal" with the botters/rmt, and tell NCSoft to start taking it more seriously.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
IMO wait till AoC or WAR, sadly i still log in L2 cause the pvp is indeed fun but that is only if you are a decent lvl and decent lvl is 66+ and even 66 is kinda low lol and gear plays a big role..class plays the biggest role. And people get to butthurt in L2 example that dvp kid..
EDIT: Forgot to state that L2 is basically a soloers game and raids are only worth it at high lvl but really the best way to xp is solo w/ outter of party buffers which is run on a 2nd account and some people have up to 5 accounts to run buffers..So if you also want to get half way decent a buffer is almost required which is a extra 15 bucks..
I bought a copy of L2 because it was cheap and included 45days game time, a few of my friends did too from my old guild who were tired of WOW. So far, its been ok. I see the bots, but there used to be bots in wow too unti they went hardcore on the issue.
Now in wow you get scammed in the post and constantly pm'd while online by gold farmers and power leveling services. I found that irritated me more as they were invading your personal time and space and there was nothing you could do about it.
We rolled on Lionna after doing some reading about server populations and activity etc. From the servers that we can access in Australia it seemed from the forums the most balanced.
I'm finding the only issue currently is the absoloute unabashed grind fest this game is. Aside from that, its ok
It seems casters get the rough end of the stick when it comes to solo play, as they seem to have a hard time doing it more so that in any other MMORPG that i've played, but that seems to be in line with what they developers were trying to achieve with the overall gameplay. Armor and soulshots are costly and travel is too, but i'm guess that all goes along with the direction the game is heading.
I find the class development a unique feature and it really is a "hardcore" experience, more so that MMORPGS of WOW's calibure.
I say give it a go, see if you like it only then can you truly say you like it or you dont
-S
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Hummh ok... some of you seems to be littlebit closeminded or something like that... bots are moderate problem yes but still you can just ask them to move again from the spot for few hours and belive me 60%+ will move away from the spot and some of them even sell you resources halfprice...
To even state that L2 is a "soloers game" tells me that someone was antisocial while they were playing. L2 is all about Clans and group play. You do solo a lot in the lower levels but once you get to 25-30+ its all about partying. There are whole areas of the game you can't even think about walking into without a party. (Cats/Necros, TOI, Giants Cave, Dragon Valley Cave...just to name a few) Not to say that the solo content isn't there but if you decide to be a loner that isn't really the game's fault now is it.
The Bots are there but are not any more than a mild inconvenience to the player any more. You haven't had to worry about dropping your gear since C5 so that is a non-issue now. Raids are available at all levels 20+ and the EXP and drops make them MORE than a worthwhile endevor. You are right however about PvP in a War/Siege situation but 1 on 1 or Party vs Party PvP can be enjoyed at any level. Saying that class plays the biggest role in PvP is just wrong however. Any class but healer/buffers can take any other class if the player is skilled enough with his character and uses superior tactics. The problem with this is what works well for one class will get another class owned and a lot of the "Butthurt" people just don't seem to get this. You have to know your character inside and out to be good at PvP and what works in PvE will get you owned in PvP 100% of the time.
Clans are tight knit families that are a bit uneasy of outsiders with good reason. This is a PvP oriented game after all and Aden can be a cruel and unforgiving realm at times. This is easily overcome however with a little socializing. Usually most clans will take new members on with a probationary term and others you just need to party with a few times to let them get to know you and your in.
It seems to me that a little more socialization could fix at least 90% of your problems with this game. This game is very socially oriented and if you don't socialize in any MMO your destined to fail.
Also to Sorrowho.........It's ok buddy, you'll get another kitten.
Bren
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Well.. my own ignorance.. and apparently the ignorance of several people who are actually still playing the game and, when I tell them of the claims that the botting isn't an issue anymore, are pretty amused. They see the bots on a regular basis, no less than any other time. Maybe the issue is "non-existant" to you - but it's very present to others.
To even state that L2 is a "soloers game" tells me that someone was antisocial while they were playing. L2 is all about Clans and group play. You do solo a lot in the lower levels but once you get to 25-30+ its all about partying. There are whole areas of the game you can't even think about walking into without a party. (Cats/Necros, TOI, Giants Cave, Dragon Valley Cave...just to name a few) Not to say that the solo content isn't there but if you decide to be a loner that isn't really the game's fault now is it.
It's funny that you mention that. Back when I was trying to get into the game at first, I posted questions about grouping up, about joining clans, etc... I was told, to summarize that A: There's no point in partying until at least level 30 or 40 (or something like that - it's been a while), and that no clan will accept you until level 40 because that's when you start becoming useful. I almost gave up on the game completely at that point because it was the first time I'd ever heard of a MMO that promoted anti-social behavior. Now, once you get into a clan, yes... it's a very different situation. But, again, for a lowbie/new player the game can be very isolating.
The Bots are there but are not any more than a mild inconvenience to the player any more.
But they are still around. Come on, look at the figures I posted on how cheap and plentiful the adena is on IGE. Or were you trying to ignore that? Where do you think they're getting all that adena from? Think they're printing their own in-game money? It's coming from *RMT*. So, once again, botting/rmt is still a problem in L2 - whether you recognize it as one or not.
Further, if you have to deal with a farmer/botter group *at all* in any way in order to play the game as you want, then it's a problem. Period.
The intellectual dishonesty displayed by some people here is just staggering. You can buy 13 million adena for under $14.. You can buy as much as 500 *million* in one shot from IGE. But no.. there's no botter/farmer activity in L2. The Adena is just magically appearing out of nowhere.
Come on. You're labeling other people ignorant. Maybe you should look in the mirror. Because you choose to ignore a problem doesn't mean it don't exist.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
haha you make me laugh mikeSomething... really every single mmorpg have bots/macros and ofc farmers. Just ype your favorite gamename in the ebay search function and there you go... from powerleveling to gold farming, have fun. and about partying in L2, levels 1-35 you can solo and get used to the game but after 30's you can start partying and yes there are ppl who like to party. And bigger clans like to take under 40's players bcos they get clan points when you do your second class change... yet again you just need to ask other players and not to be some retard nonsocial player who likes to solo... i'm sorry but this game aint for soloing even if you think so... do you get castle by soloing it for yourself... i doubt. Oh yeah I see bots everyday tho i've seen them since i started playing MMOs.. oh shit you must be WoWyouth yes that explains alot sorry for even writing this for you... oh yeah almost forgot... i started palying mmos like 10y+ ago. So go "smurf" yourself and shut the "smurf" up (i'm sure you get the point)
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"Smurf" I was right... you are actually WoW player
Ok, i still play L2 as i stated before..Basically you must play on a private server or some kind of carebear and lvl in the rift..Now i am not saying NcSoft is not doing anything but if you really think there are no bots then your a idiot lol..Non-existent, you must not have logged in the same lineage 2..
To even state that L2 is a "soloers game" tells me that someone was antisocial while they were playing. L2 is all about Clans and group play. You do solo a lot in the lower levels but once you get to 25-30+ its all about partying. There are whole areas of the game you can't even think about walking into without a party. (Cats/Necros, TOI, Giants Cave, Dragon Valley Cave...just to name a few) Not to say that the solo content isn't there but if you decide to be a loner that isn't really the game's fault now is it.
LOOOOL i can only laugh when you say "you do solo a lot in the lower levels but once you get to 25-30+ it all about partying"..BTW 25-30 is lower lvl buddy, and partying blows, u stating this make no sense at all which is evident you know nothing of L2..Cat/Necro from 1-70+ i am able to solo a whole room a deep room with just my AW w/ SE outta party..LOL i dont know what to think but anything this guy says is just retarded imo..
The Bots are there but are not any more than a mild inconvenience to the player any more. You haven't had to worry about dropping your gear since C5 so that is a non-issue now. Raids are available at all levels 20+ and the EXP and drops make them MORE than a worthwhile endevor. You are right however about PvP in a War/Siege situation but 1 on 1 or Party vs Party PvP can be enjoyed at any level. Saying that class plays the biggest role in PvP is just wrong however. Any class but healer/buffers can take any other class if the player is skilled enough with his character and uses superior tactics. The problem with this is what works well for one class will get another class owned and a lot of the "Butthurt" people just don't seem to get this. You have to know your character inside and out to be good at PvP and what works in PvE will get you owned in PvP 100% of the time.
Another example why i just dont believe you are a high lvl L2 player or u got anywhere decent to know anything in L2.."Situation but 1 on 1 or party vs party can be enjoyed at any level"..Basically 1v1 is a duel it can be enjoyed but it the most carebear crap every they have put in and as for the item thing, that just ghey NcSoft should have keep it in: now we got little carebears like u around..And class takes skills!! WTF are you playing..!!! WTf..Spam CP POTS nuke nuke..ARCHER=SPAM CP POTS CRIT CRIT CRIT..Even though my dagger could 1 hit most of em but still there is no skill in L2 unless you play a tyrant and playing a melee class you just dont have to be a retard..
IMO you sound like some lowbie or some lvl 52+ who hasnt got anywhere..I mean you said pvp take skills and superior tactics and you called 1v1 pvp enjoyment..Then you said any healer/buffer can beat any other class, my dagger can 1 hit a equal lvl buff/healer. But anyway all buffers are turned to buffbots and healers arent even played. I mean a PP=prophet ( the buffer of L2) will own the olympaid arena and that about all. You also said you need to party for Necro/Cat/GiantsCave and all that pfffffffft my BD lvl 49 can easy AoE necro/cats his lvl eaasily with low c polearm..LOL just disreguard this guy, everything he says.. And you dont need to know your char 100% for pve buddy as a melee i only use 2 button during fighting which consist of melee attack and pick up..Same with pvp Nukers and Archers can pvp wit like 4 buttons max, melee are easy just cp spam,daggers are decent just gotta spam trick/bluff..Anyway if you do play buy Nostromo lol it ownz for pvp..
But yea..Mike is 100% right, i can tell he atleast can face the reality of things lol and can think logical unlike other *cough* Memdrop *cough* And calling somone a WoW player buddy that ummm kinda old..WoW has the biggest player base so it succeeded in what it was made to do, yes it is a dumbed down version of EQ but i cannot lie and say it sucked..The fight from 1-60 that took me 2 weeks was indeed fun lol..But anyway come up wit a better line then calling somone a WoW player.
Bren
Edit: One more thing.....Since C5 anyone can get into even some of the top clans. If you haven't noticed there are a lot less untagged newbies running around. This is because of the academy system which promotes that clans of level 5 and higher take in lower level players. Saying NCSoft does nothing is pretty ignorant IMHO. Sure they could do more but what game company is perfect? Bots are no more an issue in L2 than any other game as by your own "proof" I can buy currency online for every one of them just as cheap as I can for L2. Not that I ever do as I have plenty of higher level toons to fund my lower level ones.
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And you even said "You do solo a lot in the lower levels but once you get to 25-30+ its all about partying. There are whole areas of the game you can't even think about walking into without a party. (Cats/Necros, TOI, Giants Cave, Dragon Valley Cave...just to name a few)"..I mean a statement like this can only prove you do not have several 75+ and subclasses..As i stated everyplace you stated is easy soloable except TOI top lvl, but i cant go there anyway being i am kos to the clan that xp up there heh.. Then you said "Saying that class plays the biggest role in PvP is just wrong however. Any class but healer/buffers can take any other class if the player is skilled enough with his character and uses superior tactics"....LOL more propaganda..Cause if you had all them 75+ and subclasses you would know since c5 class system works as a rock,paper,scissor idea...But even with this system it is still nuker,archer>everyone else..LOL L2 isnt classed based, your a joke and no way do you even have a lvl 52 lol..
EDIT: In reply to your edit, buddy there is no way you play L2 on a retail server..L2 is uninstanced, bot are more of a problem cause we see them everyday in our rooms xping and botting. We understand other games have them stop using that as your defense,we get the point but other games are instanced...As for the academy system, indeed a good system but yea no real top clan, isnt going to invite random newbies, and most those random newbies are not newbies they are alts..
And anyway clans are ghey anyway lool..Which you gotta do is form a clan with low members and war everyone, best pvp out there..My clan up to 2 members oh yeaa and war basically all the top clan and crappy carebear clans..best pvp out there..
I've also seen a tank....yes a tank totally own Archers and Nukers in PvP. How you ask? Because he knew his character better than they knew their's. Granted it is very hard for anyone to take out a skilled Archer or Nuker but it is possible if you know what your doing, I've seen it many times. No class in L2 is uber as there is always another class that is designed to counter you. L2 is a game designed for mass PvP.....Sieges, Wars and stuff like that. 1 on 1 can be fun but you have to know your character extremely well or your gonna get owned. I have a level 7x PR and I'm fairly good at PvP and I can tell you there are times when someone will surprise me and give me a spanking just because they used my class's weaknesses against me. Also I've seen many supposedly Non-uber classes like Support Tanks totally own people with supposedly uber classes just because they were more skilled with their toons.
Yes and I will also admit that some, SOME classes are more adept at soloing then others after level 52 or so but most become party dependent. Some classes become party dependent in the 35-50 range(Healers and support toons mostly). So yes if you have a class that is more adept at soloing like the DD classes you can solo into the higher levels but you talk about it like every class can. I still solo effectively and with ease with my PR in the 70's but not so with my Bladedancer that is about the same level. Oh and 2-boxing a healer or using a buff bot is not soloing.
My point is that you are right to a point but you are not telling the whole story. Notice something else? I managed to reply to your very rude and extremely insulting post in a calm and rational manner. Maybe you should calm down, grow up and try it some time.
Bren
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Lineage 2 in North America is simply a cash cow for the Korean branch. The players in North America get no feedback or anything from the devs.
This game is a big scam, the people running it here don' t care about any of the issues they simply keep the servers running.
In lineage 2, the offensive capabilities of the offensive classes are insanely greater than the defensive power of the defensive classes.
Basically, do not pick any defensive class and expect to do anything in pvp, it is a waste of time. Either play an archer or nuker, or don't play at all. I recommend not playing at all.
Additionally, the epic jewelry in game benefits ranged attackers more than anyone else, so you can have mages & archers basically immune to most of the tanks' skills, i.e. root & stun.
gg
Bren
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stay away unleass you wanna bot
Many pages of non-constructive spam. I've played L2 since close beta and have been in Lionna since Day 1 Open Beta and I've also played until "end-game" WoW too - grinding rep n epix.
Some thoughts for WoW kiddies:
- L2 is a proper MMOG. WoW made MMOG's accessible for a wide audience by making it simple (plus they had branding with WC but we won't go there). Grinding epics is nothing compared to the grind in L2.
- PVP in L2: some will say harder/easier. It's really just PVP with XP loss (minimal now really if clans are at war). Big thing with L2 is sieges, they are great fun when the enemy shows up
- Bots: L2 is big enough that you can avoid them. L2 was never "overrun" with bots. People are just stupid and wouldn't move to one of hundreds of other areas to level. They are also ingrained into the economy on L2 so removing them would kill the game. People need to be a bit realistic with this and get off their high-horse.
In closing, I love L2 for the challenge. WoW is just spammy and easy.. I can run around and die and there's no real loss. Money is easy enough to make for repairing epics if you play smart and don't ebay. Dying in L2 means you loose your time in real life regaining the XP you lost. Before the latest patch, at lvl 77 dying to mobs resulted in at least a 2% loss of xp which is about 2-3 hours of solid real life time depending on how you grind. Dying in PVP with all the res benefits meant about 20-40 minutes grinding the XP back.
Chaotic Throne brings cross server wars not just limited to annoying battlegrounds, but the entire server. Something to really look forward to! If you are going to start playing L2, get in now. But like was mentioned on the first page, making money is VERY hard, just like grinding. If you don't have someone who can help you level with gear of cash, then don't get your hopes up too high.