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BE WARNED: EVE DEVELOPER CAUGHT CHEATING
gretemike
Member Posts: 15
Before you invest a lot of time in Eve, I'd suggest you read these links. The gist is that a real life developer for the company that makes Eve (CCP) provided cheats for a corporation (a group of players). The person who initially uncovered the cheating alleged that a LOT more cheating was going on, but CCP so far has only admitted to a few instances of cheating (but they HAVE admitted that cheating occurred). Interestingly, the corporation that received the cheats (Band of Brothers) is the corporation that is now absolutely SWEEPING the Eve universe. Is that a coincidence? You decide:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=473335&page=1
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=479988&page=30#881
Caveat emptor.
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this is a dead horse.
do we really have to beat it more?
I'm new to EVE and even I know that this is old news. Just play the game and have fun like I'm doing and don't worry about something that happened so clearly in the past.
Bren
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1) Ignore it, probably won't affect you anyways unless you are part of the major corporation wars
2) Quit/don't play the game. No one is making you.... lots of other games out there.
3) Join the Band of Brothers if winning is that important to you....
See, that wasn't hard....
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So, leave the poor horse you attentionwhore
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Play EVE and accept what it is, or reject it and play somthing else.
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Just because a few dev's cheat doesn't mean the whole game is ruined. Especially being EvE it's a Sandbox style game, there is so much more do then corp wars. Still it is sad to see developers cheat in their own game.
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..... /yawn
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Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
HOLY!!!!!, no way!!!!!....I didnt know!!! there are only 347856234978562 threads about this on the site already.
Anyway to be a bit more serious, It was bad incident and many people were pissed. That being said i cant fathom any game out there hasnt had a dev cheat to please some of their buddies. Issue here is that the dev got caught and people denied the issue. If you read at the official resoponses the crew suprvising the game during this mishap wasnt the normal dev team thus the actions taken were sadder than life. It was admitted and measuer have been taken so it doesnt happen again.
Now that we got that out of our systems ill simply say to move on.
There are tons of choices out there and its not like CCP is holding a gun at people to play their game. most of the eve population wasnt affected and tbh most people didnt care. This forum and for that matter the official EVE forums are visited by the majority of the player base so the drama didnt matter to them. Not to say it was a stupid incident but its already outdated news. People have moved on, you should do the same. Either play the game or play something else, w/e u choose just have fun m8.
I've been playing a year and a half and I only found out this week. How odd, the cheating was uncovered three months ago and it is . . . old news? Interesting also that none of CCPs defenders are willing to address this single important question: is it reasonable to think it is coincidence that the corp that benefited from the cheating happens to be the same corp that reigns supreme in the game?
In any case, my concern is that people considering the game be aware of these issues. As I said, caveat emptor.
And this was a Dev. There were two other issues with GMs cheating in the past.
The biggest problem with the whole T20 incident was not that a Dev cheated, but CCP's reaction. It was horrible. They only came clean and removed the Dev spawned items when the players found out about it. That was six months after they found out about it. Before they came clean they did everything that they could to kill the discussions (short of deleting the threads).
Now CCP wants the players to trust their word that this won't happen again. They can't understand why many players won't trust them now. They can't seem to understand that they just violated their players' trust. They don't seem to understand that they have to work to regain that trust.
To top it off, the last word on this topic was a childish rant by the community manager who stated that any player who doesn't like it can find another game.
- An alliance up an moves in the middle of a war they aren't losing and moves into an area that shortly later becomes the most profitable area in the universe.
- An event is annouced giving a huge prize and one corp claims the prize after docking only a few freighters worth of goods when it would take many times that to move the requied goods to the location.
Only two examples, but there are more of the same. CCP needs to stauch the flow of vital information. Otherwise there is no competition and the game becomes a joke.
In addition, CCP needs to put limits on what their Devs can do in the game. The Dev that cheated was in charge of the entire capital ship fleet a major alliance. He has far too much inside information, direct and indirect, to accept that type of position. The Devs can play and experience the game in the trenches without having to be in charge.
If CCP wants to play the games that they create, they need to take the required steps to insure that their participation will not skew the game.
Yes, this t20 guy cheated at his own game, he's pathetic and sad to do so... but a million and 1 threads about it is just as annoying, imo.
-iCeh