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Censoring The Internet

8hammer88hammer8 Member Posts: 1,812

I found this article interesting and a little unnerving. CLICKY

I am very much in favor of keeping the internet completely open to whomever dares to surf it.  Leaving the individual to decide what he or she wishes to view.  I am all for individual filtering and helping protect your child, although I don't know if I would allow my "young" child to play on the internet without supervision while I am with them (not having a child of my own yet, but hopefully soon).  Fully understanding I will never be able to completely shelter my child from that which is society.

This idea of the government deciding what people can and can't view is pretty much crap.  But already the US government is pushing it in small does although it is throuh the military which it controls directly.

What do you think?

"It is easier to be cruel than wise. The road to wisdom is long and difficult... so most people just turn out to be assholes" Feng (Christopher Walken)

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  • BigdavoBigdavo Member UncommonPosts: 1,863
    And so it begins.

    O_o o_O

  • MidnitteMidnitte Member Posts: 510

    even if all the countries in the world censor websites there will be a way around it =)

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  • Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo willingly comply with China's censorship, in an effort to get into the market and make money. They might say they're providing a tool for freedom that will help new ideas spring forth, but let's be honest. They're businesses, whatever they do is for money. Not everyone is so sure that 'freedom through infusion of new ideas' concept is working.



    Now, Yahoo has gone a step beyond. When China comes knocking, they willingly turn over the account data of whoever China's looking for. Yahoo is at least partially responsible for the arrest of several dissidents. And why not, they're in it for the money and don't want to irritate the nation that lets them opperate in that market.



    Censorship is always a slippery slope. It is not the government's place to say what we can and cannot see. If the fear is that children shall see it, then the parents shall be responsible. I have no problem with parents using censorship software to shield their children, it's parenting and it's right. But when governments censor things in the name of protecting the citizens, it is wrong. I do not require a parent in government. I require someone to opperate the courts, pave the roads, collect taxes, and keep a standing army to defend itself from outsiders. I am no child, I will look at what I please.
  • malak118malak118 Member Posts: 221
    Frankly I am surprised the govt has not stepped in yet. With all the pirating of music and movies those are strong industries I would have thought they could get the govt to control everything. Also they could use the patriot act to censor the hell out of the net because they need to stop the ter-ist from poisioning american minds. While I think there would be much outcry you have to believe a good percentage of dumbf ucks would say "if its for the good of america."
  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409

    As a parent, I actually try to expose my child to things most people would flip shit over.

    Now, I'm not talking hardcore porn, autopsy videos, or the like, mind you.

    Maybe it's because I was born and raised before the whole PC movement got it's fingers into everyones pie. Maybe I'm just nutty, or maybe I'm a bad parent. But I firmly believe that by exposing my child to such things. By talking to him about sex, sexuality, and nudity. By raising him with the idea that not everyone thinks he's a special little rainbow. By not trying to cocoon him from the world, he will be much stronger emotionally, and mentally than his contemporaries that are sheltered by their parents, and teachers.

    Will it create a sense of cynicism in him? Possibly, but I'd rather he be cynical than be an emotional cripple, unable to cope with being picked on in school, or in denial of his sexual urges, and totally uneducated when it comes to using birth control/protection.

  • gpettgpett Member Posts: 1,105
    Makes sense Coldmeat.  Why waste time teaching your kids lies about the easterbunny, santa clause, and fairtales?  Why not teach them how life really works?  Makes sense to me.
  • Originally posted by Coldmeat


    As a parent, I actually try to expose my child to things most people would flip shit over.
    Now, I'm not talking hardcore porn, autopsy videos, or the like, mind you.
    Maybe it's because I was born and raised before the whole PC movement got it's fingers into everyones pie. Maybe I'm just nutty, or maybe I'm a bad parent. But I firmly believe that by exposing my child to such things. By talking to him about sex, sexuality, and nudity. By raising him with the idea that not everyone thinks he's a special little rainbow. By not trying to cocoon him from the world, he will be much stronger emotionally, and mentally than his contemporaries that are sheltered by their parents, and teachers.
    Will it create a sense of cynicism in him? Possibly, but I'd rather he be cynical than be an emotional cripple, unable to cope with being picked on in school, or in denial of his sexual urges, and totally uneducated when it comes to using birth control/protection.
     
    I suppose your first job as a parent is to raise your child to survive and thrive in the world with as little damage as possible. Your approach seems sane and responsible to me. My parents raised me in a similar way, only they left out the sexuality part. Hence, there was a massive shock to my Victorian outlook once I hit college. I don't begrudge them at all, but I do think that if they'd talked to me about those things I would have handled it much better.



    Knowledge is power, so as long as they're strong enough to use it, and you're there to guide them through, I think it's a good idea.
  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409


    Originally posted by Sawtooth
    Originally posted by Coldmeat As a parent, I actually try to expose my child to things most people would flip shit over.
    Now, I'm not talking hardcore porn, autopsy videos, or the like, mind you.
    Maybe it's because I was born and raised before the whole PC movement got it's fingers into everyones pie. Maybe I'm just nutty, or maybe I'm a bad parent. But I firmly believe that by exposing my child to such things. By talking to him about sex, sexuality, and nudity. By raising him with the idea that not everyone thinks he's a special little rainbow. By not trying to cocoon him from the world, he will be much stronger emotionally, and mentally than his contemporaries that are sheltered by their parents, and teachers.
    Will it create a sense of cynicism in him? Possibly, but I'd rather he be cynical than be an emotional cripple, unable to cope with being picked on in school, or in denial of his sexual urges, and totally uneducated when it comes to using birth control/protection.

    I suppose your first job as a parent is to raise your child to survive and thrive in the world with as little damage as possible. Your approach seems sane and responsible to me. My parents raised me in a similar way, only they left out the sexuality part. Hence, there was a massive shock to my Victorian outlook once I hit college. I don't begrudge them at all, but I do think that if they'd talked to me about those things I would have handled it much better.

    Knowledge is power, so as long as they're strong enough to use it, and you're there to guide them through, I think it's a good idea.


    Yeah, I never got the sex talk either. I found the old mans Playboys, and thankfully the junior high I attended offered a sex ed class.

    Probably a good thing no one ever told me that erections were evil, or that having sexual urges was evil, etc, or I'd have likely died of shame. ::::09:: I foresee a lot of fun times in a year or so when he starts elementary school. Parent-Teacher conferences should be interesting, at least.

  • roll1uproll1up Member Posts: 31
    What's most disturbing about the whole situation isn't that these countries are blocking porn sites (even though I find ALL forms of censorship pretty deplorable), but that they're blocking sites relating to human rights, religion, and politics.



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  • GodliestGodliest Member Posts: 3,486

    While we must have laws to uphold our nations I think we sometimes go to far. I don't think we will ever be in need of laws on the Internet. Those who enters the internet should be prepared for what they are about to see. You don't have to start surfing the internet if you don't want.

    When your surfing the internet it's pretty easy to avoid what you don't want to see. When government wants to regulate what we see and doesn't see on the internet it's gone to far.

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  • RainStarRainStar Member Posts: 638
    Originally posted by 8hammer8


    I found this article interesting and a little unnerving. CLICKY
    I am very much in favor of keeping the internet completely open to whomever dares to surf it.  Leaving the individual to decide what he or she wishes to view.  I am all for individual filtering and helping protect your child, although I don't know if I would allow my "young" child to play on the internet without supervision while I am with them (not having a child of my own yet, but hopefully soon).  Fully understanding I will never be able to completely shelter my child from that which is society.
    This idea of the government deciding what people can and can't view is pretty much crap.  But already the US government is pushing it in small does although it is throuh the military which it controls directly.
    What do you think?
    The military is only restricting access to certain sites when they are on government owned computers. When military  are on their own personal computers they can go to any sites they choose.
  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646
    Bad, bad, bad...
  • xpowderxxpowderx Member UncommonPosts: 2,078
    Let governments censor the internet. The FCC is already passing laws to censor media. Does not matter. In a couple of years the internet will not be the internet. So the laws they make now will have little if any significance.
  • PunkMonkPunkMonk Member Posts: 483

    We need a Frank Zappa of computers to fight for freespeech on computers. If you don't know, Frank Zappa is a semi-famous avant-guarde, rock, classical musician who fought for freespeech in music after Prince wrote that song about incest. He went on major TV stations, (most notibly CNN's crossfire and told his whole story through a debate.)

    Frank Zappa got rid of the bill that would censor music. Without his fighting, all the rap and punk bands wouldn't be around.

     

    We need someone like Bill Gates to fight for freespeech for us all.

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  • SkollSkoll Member Posts: 442
    Originally posted by 8hammer8


    I found this article interesting and a little unnerving. CLICKY
    I am very much in favor of keeping the internet completely open to whomever dares to surf it.  Leaving the individual to decide what he or she wishes to view.  I am all for individual filtering and helping protect your child, although I don't know if I would allow my "young" child to play on the internet without supervision while I am with them (not having a child of my own yet, but hopefully soon).  Fully understanding I will never be able to completely shelter my child from that which is society.
    This idea of the government deciding what people can and can't view is pretty much crap.  But already the US government is pushing it in small does although it is throuh the military which it controls directly.
    What do you think?
    Naughty, naughty, naughty! You filthy old soomka!
  • 8hammer88hammer8 Member Posts: 1,812
    Originally posted by Skoll

    Originally posted by 8hammer8


    I found this article interesting and a little unnerving. CLICKY
    I am very much in favor of keeping the internet completely open to whomever dares to surf it.  Leaving the individual to decide what he or she wishes to view.  I am all for individual filtering and helping protect your child, although I don't know if I would allow my "young" child to play on the internet without supervision while I am with them (not having a child of my own yet, but hopefully soon).  Fully understanding I will never be able to completely shelter my child from that which is society.
    This idea of the government deciding what people can and can't view is pretty much crap.  But already the US government is pushing it in small does although it is throuh the military which it controls directly.
    What do you think?
    Naughty, naughty, naughty! You filthy old soomka!

    It scares me a little more when I pull someone out of their "Lurker" cave ...(88 posts in almost 3 years)...and they say this to me.  Maybe there should be some censorship....

    BTW Coldmeat, I too feel how you do about the sheltering of a child.  I just wanted to leave the conversation a little more open.  I want my child expsed to reality in doses they can handle  so they are not nieve when they leave the house.

    "It is easier to be cruel than wise. The road to wisdom is long and difficult... so most people just turn out to be assholes" Feng (Christopher Walken)

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