Is it worth it?

Opeska · May 2007

Ok, well, i've been playing mmorpgs for nearly five years now. An old veteran from SWG, WOW, and COH. Not to mention the brain dead days of playing Runescape. I love to go for graphics, if a game looks junky to me it is junky, which is why I was lured towards Vangaurd. I went out and got the game a week ago only to find my computer couldn't get more than 5fps. So I just wanted to know. Is it really going to be worth spending hundreds of dollars for a top end video card? Or should I just blow past this game. I've roamed the site and the internet looking at reviews for this game and so on. They have all been either "NO IT SUCKS!" or "Wow amazing". So i was just wondering if it would be a good investment to go ahead and spend 400+ dollars or just continue and play some less demanding games?

MrTumN3s · May 2007

I say get a video card not for Vanguard, but for the future of MMO and gaming itself. Where getting / have gotton into a new generation for games and i think that if you PC cant run crap, you should upgrade soon. Graphics are becoming better and better, and if you want to continue playing games then i recommend getting a new rig/ vid card. GG.

Urdig · May 2007

Don't need 400.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150227 219 before the rebate; 179 after.

I use a 7950gt and it runs very nicely. Still hitches it's butt off when you hit a new zone or enter a city for the first time, but it steadies out over time.

How was your proccessor and RAM?

Travel is better then it was. They just implemented the rentable flying mounts.

It would be hard to say without knowing what you're looking for. Adventuring isn't much dif then EQ2 or WoW. Progress is better when you group, but you can solo if you prefer, or more often can't find a group.

The pop on Tharridon isn't as bad as some would make it seem. Kojan is a little slow and tough to find a group, but not impossible. Especially if you don't mind duoing and trioing. Finding people to play with on Qalia isn't hard, and I keep running into people willing to group. Past two nights i've ended up grouping when I wasn't looking to.

If it's just performance. As long as your CPU and RAM are good, the upgrade will do wonders. Just make sure the drivers are ok and you should be to. Like I said, towns and new zones will hitch when you first come across them. Just don't go crazy with the setting just because you have the best card on the market.

If you enjoyed the gameplay then who knows. Could be worth the $15 to find out once you do upgrade.

Vrazule · May 2007

Even with a top end card, you're going to have issues with Vanguard. The engine is not even remotely efficient, let alone dealing with all of the current bugs that plague this sad game. I would not consider upgrading for this game, especially when DX10 games will begin arriving soon, which will allow for much more detailed environments while still allowing for superior performance in comparison to DX9 hardware and games.

Enigma · May 2007

Originally posted by Opeska

Ok, well, i've been playing mmorpgs for nearly five years now. An old veteran from SWG, WOW, and COH. Not to mention the brain dead days of playing Runescape. I love to go for graphics, if a game looks junky to me it is junky, which is why I was lured towards Vangaurd. I went out and got the game a week ago only to find my computer couldn't get more than 5fps. So I just wanted to know. Is it really going to be worth spending hundreds of dollars for a top end video card? Or should I just blow past this game. I've roamed the site and the internet looking at reviews for this game and so on. They have all been either "NO IT SUCKS!" or "Wow amazing". So i was just wondering if it would be a good investment to go ahead and spend 400+ dollars or just continue and play some less demanding games?

Please dont buy a Video card just for Vangaurd. You'll regret it. The FPS wont get too much higher because its a core code issue and not really a PC performance issue.

I have a tweaked out quad core 4 gig RAM PC with 1 TB Harddrive and a suped up 8800GTX Video card and I when I played I was lucky to squeeze out 15 fps.

Its not that the game is so high quality that requires a super computer....its the code is so jumbled that you need a supercomputer to process all the useless information.

Trust me on this...buying a top end video card wont work. Hell...I spent a helluva lot of money on PC parts to make one of the fastest and most powerful PCs in today's market and the game still crept along like a rusty oldsmobile.

kmilner · May 2007

Originally posted by Vrazule

especially when DX10 games will begin arriving soon, which will allow for much more detailed environments while still allowing for superior performance in comparison to DX9 hardware and games.

Assuming you also shell out for all the extra hardware required to run Vista. DX10 is Vista only don't forget. I'll buy a damn wii before I put that sack of crap OS on my computer.

Vrazule · May 2007

To each his own. I'm very much enjoying my Vista 64 bit OS.

Urdig · May 2007

Lots of coders in this forum. It's amusing.

FischerBlack · May 2007

To the OP;

I personally spent quite a bit of money on a new rig fairly recently (e6600/8800gtx/2gbPC6400/680i) and for me VG runs quite smoothly and looks awesome with almost everything turned up (50 fps in wild, 25-30 fps in town). I still suffer some issues like lag in crowded cities, occasional CTD and the occasional memory leak though. Personally Im very happy overall with the performance Im getting for the money I spent (I didn't upgrade just for VG, but it did play a part in my decision).

I dont think however, that buying a new vid card will be the magic pill that will improve VG's performance in your machine (im not sure of your other specs but my assumption is somewhere in the mid range?). VG is very demanding on your entire rig, not just the GPU. Im sure the card will improve performance, but you may still be left wanting more.

Faelan · May 2007

I'm a MMO veteran myself. Started EQ in 1999. Those were good times, but I eventually moved on to DAOC because it had less downtime, was more soloable and had a superior combat system.

Many MMOs later and a fast forward to 2007. Despite being a bit worried about VG being group focused, I decided to give it a shot. It turned out to be great fun for a couple of weeks and I didn't have much trouble soloing stuff. I did try grouping and it was the best group experience I've had in years (WoW gets the price for worst grouping experience lol). Things were looking good.

But ultimately, it turned out to... well... suck. You see, once the newbie experience wore off, it was like being rocket boosted into a reinforced concrete wall. Suddenly, I saw VG for what it is. A sluggish and buggy piece of been-there-done-that MMO. I just couldn't stomach the seemingly pointless grind. Kill 20 of these, 30 of those and make 5 thingies. Why should I do it all over again when I can just fire up EQ2 or WoW and get excellent performance, few bugs and plenty of content? Except for diplomacy, there really isn't anything there that hasn't been done already and they're all pretty much just novelty factors anyway.

Worth a new gfx card? No. Not for VG alone. If other games on your system will benefit from it, sure - go ahead, but if they run fine on what you have now, don't bother.

Suttonian · May 2007

Everytime someone unsubscribes from Vanguard, somebody else also unsubscribes from Vanguard.

Everytime someone unsubscribes from Vanguard, somebody posts about it on mmorpg.com.

btw it doesn't take a coder to realise a game has bad code.

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