easy, this game is a copy of wow they are trying to attract the same market.
If LotRO is a clone of WoW, then WoW is a clone of EQ1 and EQ1 is a clone of Diku MUDDs and Diku MUDDs
were clones of paper and pencil RPGs. Like music or any other art form, it is all built up upon previous ideas. Every MMO is built on this foundation. I just don't buy that cliche remark when people judge other MMOs by calling it a WoW clone considering WoW was nothing but an accumulation of what was done before.
Bravo!! Extremely well put.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
easy, this game is a copy of wow they are trying to attract the same market.
If LotRO is a clone of WoW, then WoW is a clone of EQ1 and EQ1 is a clone of Diku MUDDs and Diku MUDDs
were clones of paper and pencil RPGs. Like music or any other art form, it is all built up upon previous ideas. Every MMO is built on this foundation. I just don't buy that cliche remark when people judge other MMOs by calling it a WoW clone considering WoW was nothing but an accumulation of what was done before.
You need to look deeper into it, then just on the basic idea that all mmo's build off of eachother - which is true.
LOTR online is a clone of wow due to the fact its actual strucutre is exactly the same as WOW. You progress from zone to zone in a very linear manner compleating hundreads of quests. Do most mmorpg's have that kind of strucutre - no. Even graphicaly, both are very kiddy and desighned to run on an avg pc with settings on high, really does nothing new.
I don't play lotr anymore or wow, currently not playing any mmo waiting on something new like pirates of the burning sea but your point you just made is exactly the point the other guy was trying to make, while yes the structure of lotr is almost identical to wow, but wows structure is also almost identical to the mmo's before it. WoW did not reinvent mmorpg nor did it come up with anything new. All it did was take the best features of past mmos and streamlined it. I disagree on the graphics part. Wow has way more of a kiddy graphic style then lotr does.
That is not the point i am making, and wow is NOT a clone of mmo's before it. I do not like WOW, but I do need to give the game credit for being easy to get into. It was one of the first mmo's to really push quests at you, hundreads of them with the goal of trying to hide the grinde, you progressed in a very linear manner, zone by zone. No other mmo before that really had that kind of setup. Other then guild wars(which i think is a good game) and lotr none really do still to that extent.
You are aware that you're basically saying the developers of WoW itself are wrong in your first sentence?
Blizzard themselves said they weren't looking to make anything ground-breaking, or unique, but to take what they felt were the best parts of other MMOs and bring them together in a streamlined fashion.
They did exactly that.
So, while in the idea that they introduced a more casual-friendly MMO to the mainstream, yeah.. I'll give them that. But that's the only thing they really deserve credit for in the "ground-breaking" dept.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Over a billion peaple eat at McDonalds every month. Why even bother to open a different fast food chain? We all know that Burger King, Wendy's, Sonic, ect. are all struggling to make a profit. Oh, not wait that's not true at all.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
I think one of the critical point is , people need change. Alot of people can get bored playing same game for long period of time. I stopped playing EQ1 after about 5 years, been playing wow up until month ago. Im getting bored with wow also and am looking for something new.
I guess when the only game you know is WOW, every other game gets compared to WOW.
There's alot of truth in that.
Another part is that too many people will look at the game, see a few things about it and immediately dismiss it as a knock-off.
The truth is, once you start playing the game - and really digging into it - it becomes harder and harder to draw similarities, because LoTRO really does so many things in a different way than WoW, or even many other MMOs that I've played. The two games feel entirely different to me.
And, when people say the graphics look the same... I mean, come on. They're designed and animated with two completely different styles. The environments in LoTRO are designed much differently - there's alot more vertical element to the areas than I ever remember there being in WoW. The look of the races/characters are very different. The rendering engine in LoTRO is more robust than that in WoW - reflective and refractive water surfaces, for example. On the whole, the world of LoTRO just feels so much larger when I'm exploring it than it ever did in WoW. Despite its actual size in terms of land, WoW always felt very "small" to me... I don't know if that makes sense, but I never felt like I was exploring a vast world. I get that feeling constantly in LoTRO.
I have to wonder if the some people who say they look the same have actually *seen* LoTRO that much.
If you've played the game and it just doesn't grab you, then fine. If you looked at the movies and screenshots and it don't thrill you, that's fine, too. But seriously, when people start spewing out some of the comments they do, it really makes me wonder if they've seen the game at all - much less actually played it.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
easy, this game is a copy of wow they are trying to attract the same market.
If LotRO is a clone of WoW, then WoW is a clone of EQ1 and EQ1 is a clone of Diku MUDDs and Diku MUDDs
were clones of paper and pencil RPGs. Like music or any other art form, it is all built up upon previous ideas. Every MMO is built on this foundation. I just don't buy that cliche remark when people judge other MMOs by calling it a WoW clone considering WoW was nothing but an accumulation of what was done before.
Bravo!! Extremely well put.
hell yeah, bravo in deed!
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Over a billion peaple eat at McDonalds every month. Why even bother to open a different fast food chain? We all know that Burger King, Wendy's, Sonic, ect. are all struggling to make a profit. Oh, not wait that's not true at all.
Exactly... Well put.
Just because WOW is ultra popular... doesnt mean no other game should be made... In fact... it infers just the opposite.
isn't the reason why loads of people call it a wow clone is because the vast majority are 12-18 year olds that have never played any other MMO/Game besides wow?
Dunno, just my thought.
It's going to be the same forever, in years to come it will be "ooh game a is clone of b" *next years go by* "ooh game b is a clone of c" etc?
There's two similar characters (both dwarves). One is directly from Blizzard's database, the other is how I play the game on my computer. That's my Dwarf Minstrel, Doroguin, on a hill a bit away from the outpost of Gondamon.
Somebody please explain this?
Of course WoW and LOTRO have things in common, like a similar UI and quest-based format. Why wouldn't Turbine use a similar approach to the most popular online game in the Western World to make their own? They've been struggling for a while, they needed to hit it out of the park.
In my humble opinion, they did. I can't tell you how glad I am to not have most of you PvP people in this game. I realize that some of you are mature and reasonable, but the vast majority of the PvP segment are complete morons.
I hope Turbine never caves and puts any PvP beyond Monster Play into their game.
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Uh.. No Vanguard is nothing like WoW. It sucks compared to WoW.
Based on reviews I've read about LoTR it also is quite diffrent from WoW. I have yet to see two fantasy MMO's that I would say are the same IMHO. I haven't tried LoTR yet but I'll start this weekend, however of all the MMO's Ive played thus far WoW and EQ2 are the best. Again IMHO
As for Warhammer I know about the tabletop version, and don't see how the MMO version could be anything other than one big grief killing PvP fest.
man its all the same just a diffrent skin and a tweak of the UIHey Jester, Sci-Fi mmos are just a different skin and UI tweak on a fantasy mmo and vise versa! It just depends on what style you like! It's not a flame just an observation on my part!
Kinda its has some diffrent elements like the FPS style of space combat and if you look back at the Pre NGE it was alot diffrent but them days are gone and PoTbS has alot to offer that is diffrent from the Fantasy MMO so you are right but I also think you understand what Im saying
LOTRO is a good game and deserves respect, I ignore WoW fanbois personally, they just can't come up with good arguments anymore, a different thread was made about this before where some other fanboi was posting about how crap LOTR Online's graphics were, it's pathetic really, just keep rolling in the screenshots and make the idiots even more madder, it'll give me something to laugh about at least, WoW's graphics are better my arse.
Just carry on playing, I personally believe that if games in this industry were not in competition people would get bored and start leaving like they are doing with WoW, I played the game for two years, the first year was great, then the second year everything went downhill, face it, some people just don't like WoW and want to play something different, me included.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I always liked WoWs graphics tbh,theres some great scenery in that game and it stayed true to the old RTS games.they dont look realistic no,but then its a totally different style,and the whole world wherever you go is filled with detail.
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were clones of paper and pencil RPGs. Like music or any other art form, it is all built up upon previous ideas. Every MMO is built on this foundation. I just don't buy that cliche remark when people judge other MMOs by calling it a WoW clone considering WoW was nothing but an accumulation of what was done before.
Bravo!! Extremely well put.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
were clones of paper and pencil RPGs. Like music or any other art form, it is all built up upon previous ideas. Every MMO is built on this foundation. I just don't buy that cliche remark when people judge other MMOs by calling it a WoW clone considering WoW was nothing but an accumulation of what was done before.
You need to look deeper into it, then just on the basic idea that all mmo's build off of eachother - which is true.
LOTR online is a clone of wow due to the fact its actual strucutre is exactly the same as WOW. You progress from zone to zone in a very linear manner compleating hundreads of quests. Do most mmorpg's have that kind of strucutre - no. Even graphicaly, both are very kiddy and desighned to run on an avg pc with settings on high, really does nothing new.
I don't play lotr anymore or wow, currently not playing any mmo waiting on something new like pirates of the burning sea but your point you just made is exactly the point the other guy was trying to make, while yes the structure of lotr is almost identical to wow, but wows structure is also almost identical to the mmo's before it. WoW did not reinvent mmorpg nor did it come up with anything new. All it did was take the best features of past mmos and streamlined it. I disagree on the graphics part. Wow has way more of a kiddy graphic style then lotr does.
That is not the point i am making, and wow is NOT a clone of mmo's before it. I do not like WOW, but I do need to give the game credit for being easy to get into. It was one of the first mmo's to really push quests at you, hundreads of them with the goal of trying to hide the grinde, you progressed in a very linear manner, zone by zone. No other mmo before that really had that kind of setup. Other then guild wars(which i think is a good game) and lotr none really do still to that extent.
You are aware that you're basically saying the developers of WoW itself are wrong in your first sentence?
Blizzard themselves said they weren't looking to make anything ground-breaking, or unique, but to take what they felt were the best parts of other MMOs and bring them together in a streamlined fashion.
They did exactly that.
So, while in the idea that they introduced a more casual-friendly MMO to the mainstream, yeah.. I'll give them that. But that's the only thing they really deserve credit for in the "ground-breaking" dept.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Change is good.
I guess when the only game you know is WOW, every other game gets compared to WOW.
There's alot of truth in that.
Another part is that too many people will look at the game, see a few things about it and immediately dismiss it as a knock-off.
The truth is, once you start playing the game - and really digging into it - it becomes harder and harder to draw similarities, because LoTRO really does so many things in a different way than WoW, or even many other MMOs that I've played. The two games feel entirely different to me.
And, when people say the graphics look the same... I mean, come on. They're designed and animated with two completely different styles. The environments in LoTRO are designed much differently - there's alot more vertical element to the areas than I ever remember there being in WoW. The look of the races/characters are very different. The rendering engine in LoTRO is more robust than that in WoW - reflective and refractive water surfaces, for example. On the whole, the world of LoTRO just feels so much larger when I'm exploring it than it ever did in WoW. Despite its actual size in terms of land, WoW always felt very "small" to me... I don't know if that makes sense, but I never felt like I was exploring a vast world. I get that feeling constantly in LoTRO.
I have to wonder if the some people who say they look the same have actually *seen* LoTRO that much.
If you've played the game and it just doesn't grab you, then fine. If you looked at the movies and screenshots and it don't thrill you, that's fine, too. But seriously, when people start spewing out some of the comments they do, it really makes me wonder if they've seen the game at all - much less actually played it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
gee i dunno maybe because the other 50 million people DONT wanna play WoW?
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-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
were clones of paper and pencil RPGs. Like music or any other art form, it is all built up upon previous ideas. Every MMO is built on this foundation. I just don't buy that cliche remark when people judge other MMOs by calling it a WoW clone considering WoW was nothing but an accumulation of what was done before.
Bravo!! Extremely well put.
hell yeah, bravo in deed!
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Exactly... Well put.
Just because WOW is ultra popular... doesnt mean no other game should be made... In fact... it infers just the opposite.
isn't the reason why loads of people call it a wow clone is because the vast majority are 12-18 year olds that have never played any other MMO/Game besides wow?
Dunno, just my thought.
It's going to be the same forever, in years to come it will be "ooh game a is clone of b" *next years go by* "ooh game b is a clone of c" etc?
maybe i'm dead wrong o_O Anyway back to work.
WOW Screenshot from Blizzard
LOTRO Screenshot from my own computer
There's two similar characters (both dwarves). One is directly from Blizzard's database, the other is how I play the game on my computer. That's my Dwarf Minstrel, Doroguin, on a hill a bit away from the outpost of Gondamon.
Somebody please explain this?
Of course WoW and LOTRO have things in common, like a similar UI and quest-based format. Why wouldn't Turbine use a similar approach to the most popular online game in the Western World to make their own? They've been struggling for a while, they needed to hit it out of the park.
In my humble opinion, they did. I can't tell you how glad I am to not have most of you PvP people in this game. I realize that some of you are mature and reasonable, but the vast majority of the PvP segment are complete morons.
I hope Turbine never caves and puts any PvP beyond Monster Play into their game.
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Kinda its has some diffrent elements like the FPS style of space combat and if you look back at the Pre NGE it was alot diffrent but them days are gone and PoTbS has alot to offer that is diffrent from the Fantasy MMO so you are right but I also think you understand what Im saying
Just carry on playing, I personally believe that if games in this industry were not in competition people would get bored and start leaving like they are doing with WoW, I played the game for two years, the first year was great, then the second year everything went downhill, face it, some people just don't like WoW and want to play something different, me included.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I personally get into Lotro's more though just because theres more vegetation. I notice all the pictures of
Lotro that are negative have the Frill Effect totally turned off. I play with about Medium Settings, Full Frill and
the best textures and its fricking amazing with little lag. Just remember turn on Post Effects or the game looks
like the pictures that arent so good.
I always liked WoWs graphics tbh,theres some great scenery in that game and it stayed true to the old RTS games.they dont look realistic no,but then its a totally different style,and the whole world wherever you go is filled with detail.
if u want the right infromation from all of this games there is like 5 1.wow 2.warhammer. 3.lotr.4.vangurad.maybe
everquest or runescape ?! i dunno
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