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How frequent crashing to desktop is killing the game

Vanguard summed up: Great game, terrible performance - especially since the May 11 patch. I've been playing since launch, running the game on Vista 64, 8800 GTX, 2GB RAM, dual core E6700, etc... Never had too many issues. I had the odd crash, but that's acceptable.



May 11 2007, the day it all changed. They introduced a patch that apparently did something major somewhere. Since then, 5-20 crashes per gaming session for me, and not only when chunking or the usual stuff, just random, out of the blue crashes to desktop. I'm walking around in the middle of nowhere, bang, CTD. Mid-combat, bang, CTD. I've lost a lot of XP by dying after CTDing and logging back in only to find my toon at the altar.



I know people who are quitting because of this. How much longer will I be able to take it before quitting? Have you quit because of performance issues??



/bow

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  • adriaansadriaans Member Posts: 125
    most games not made to utilise vista crashes alot

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  • iluvVGiluvVG Member Posts: 77
    No, I havent, and I wont. 



    Yes CTD pisses me off as much as anyone, and yes im sicking of lagging out everytime I enter town.



    No offense but flooding the boards with this issue is a waste of time...lets just make a rant sticky for it and move on already.



    It wont be like this forever.  The game will die or it will get fixed.
  • kharlankharlan Member UncommonPosts: 19

    Well for me the may patch worked wonders

    i may crash once or twice in an 8 hour session now

    still laggy getting into towns and i avoid NT like it's got the plague

    but overall the games been getting slower better

    C2D 6400 2.13ghz

    1 gig ram

    nvid 7600 256gt

    win xp pro

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  • KenzeKenze Member UncommonPosts: 1,217

    I crash at least 2-4 times a night depending on how much traveling I do. Porting and chunking alot seems to be where it gets me.
    I know my issues isnt Vista related because Im running XP. The only time it reallt makes me mad is when Im grouped and get CTD..but hey that (grouping)happens so rarely its not much of a hassle.

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  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495
    Originally posted by kelstar

    Vanguard summed up: Great game, terrible performance - especially since the May 11 patch. I've been playing since launch, running the game on Vista 64, 8800 GTX, 2GB RAM, dual core E6700, etc... Never had too many issues. I had the odd crash, but that's acceptable.



    May 11 2007, the day it all changed. They introduced a patch that apparently did something major somewhere. Since then, 5-20 crashes per gaming session for me, and not only when chunking or the usual stuff, just random, out of the blue crashes to desktop. I'm walking around in the middle of nowhere, bang, CTD. Mid-combat, bang, CTD. I've lost a lot of XP by dying after CTDing and logging back in only to find my toon at the altar.



    I know people who are quitting because of this. How much longer will I be able to take it before quitting? Have you quit because of performance issues??



    /bow



    Hi Kelstar, first great system, second time to balance it bro :).

    Vista 64 + 8800GTX with "ONLY" 2gb, don't get me wrong this is perfectly alright for less demanding games and regular internet/email use, but with a card like that AND Vista 64 you really need atleast a minimum of 4gb, want to feel the full power of your rig go up to 6gb of ram. Also not sure about your power supply i do hope its 600w or more?

    Also be aware of the many problems surrounding Vista and Nvidia 8 series, yeah yeah Vanguard also has its issue, but just saying there is more then just Vanguard as some people seem to think that everything bad performance wise is related to Vanguard, but Nvidia forum truly shows more then that.

    Anyway if you would be able to balance that system and if Vista/Nvidia driver are working correctly and Vanguard continues to get optimized you will have a great rig to game for while.

  • UrdigUrdig Member Posts: 1,260

    http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_158.18.html  May 2nd driver release for 8800 series cards on vista 64.  Dunno if you have them or not, or if they work with VG, but there ya go. 

    Vista is recommend to run on 3gb of ram if I'm remembering correctly.  It uses a LOT more ram then xp does. 

    Wish Darkfall would release.

  • Riotact007Riotact007 Member UncommonPosts: 247

    yeah some game site, cant remember which 1 did a heaps of xp vs vista game benchmarking, vg like most games, if you are running vista then pretend you only have 1 gb of ram not 2.

    Also 8800 is still not best friends with VG either, i have an 8800 but with XP. I crashed more since 2 patches ago but the latest patch has worked wonders i havent crashed yet :-)

  • soygreensoygreen Member Posts: 11

    I don't actually play any more - BUT - I had almost zero CTD's on my vista machine - happened frequenly on my XP machine... and interestingly enough - when i took my vista machine from Xp to vista - I got better performance... I have 2gb's of ram aswell... :P Anyway - Vista was better for me in VG.

    It's really individual for each people - but I cannot tell you how frustrating CTD's are - so I sympathize wiht ya!

  • FischerBlackFischerBlack Member Posts: 573
    Originally posted by kelstar

    Vanguard summed up: Great game, terrible performance - especially since the May 11 patch. I've been playing since launch, running the game on Vista 64, 8800 GTX, 2GB RAM, dual core E6700, etc... Never had too many issues. I had the odd crash, but that's acceptable.



    May 11 2007, the day it all changed. They introduced a patch that apparently did something major somewhere. Since then, 5-20 crashes per gaming session for me, and not only when chunking or the usual stuff, just random, out of the blue crashes to desktop. I'm walking around in the middle of nowhere, bang, CTD. Mid-combat, bang, CTD. I've lost a lot of XP by dying after CTDing and logging back in only to find my toon at the altar.



    I know people who are quitting because of this. How much longer will I be able to take it before quitting? Have you quit because of performance issues??



    /bow
    I agree
  • BalisidarBalisidar Member Posts: 164

    And even after game breaking bugs I see that a lot of the fans are STILL cheering and hyping this game?

    /boggle

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  • boojiboyboojiboy Member UncommonPosts: 1,553
    Originally posted by kelstar

    Vanguard summed up: Great game, terrible performance - especially since the May 11 patch. I've been playing since launch, running the game on Vista 64, 8800 GTX, 2GB RAM, dual core E6700, etc... Never had too many issues. I had the odd crash, but that's acceptable.



    May 11 2007, the day it all changed. They introduced a patch that apparently did something major somewhere. Since then, 5-20 crashes per gaming session for me, and not only when chunking or the usual stuff, just random, out of the blue crashes to desktop. I'm walking around in the middle of nowhere, bang, CTD. Mid-combat, bang, CTD. I've lost a lot of XP by dying after CTDing and logging back in only to find my toon at the altar.



    I know people who are quitting because of this. How much longer will I be able to take it before quitting? Have you quit because of performance issues??



    /bow



    I posted something very similar here or at Silky not to long ago.  The crashing problem seems to be much worse for Vista users lately and it is driving away people that love this game and want to play.  But who is going to tolerate multiple crashes during a 1-2 hour time frame?

    Luckily, I don't have crashings problems anymore.  The Nvidia drivers release in early May fixed my issue.  And my G15 keyboard monitors Ram usage so I can /flush whenever the memory leak causes me to creep into the 95% RAM usage range.

    We've had three great guildies that love this game take a hiatus because of the crashing.  Ironically, one bought a new computer to get better performance and now she crashes a lot and has hitching problems with Vista.  :(

  • A_TrainA_Train Member Posts: 73
    Originally posted by Reklaw

    Originally posted by kelstar

    Vanguard summed up: Great game, terrible performance - especially since the May 11 patch. I've been playing since launch, running the game on Vista 64, 8800 GTX, 2GB RAM, dual core E6700, etc... Never had too many issues. I had the odd crash, but that's acceptable.



    May 11 2007, the day it all changed. They introduced a patch that apparently did something major somewhere. Since then, 5-20 crashes per gaming session for me, and not only when chunking or the usual stuff, just random, out of the blue crashes to desktop. I'm walking around in the middle of nowhere, bang, CTD. Mid-combat, bang, CTD. I've lost a lot of XP by dying after CTDing and logging back in only to find my toon at the altar.



    I know people who are quitting because of this. How much longer will I be able to take it before quitting? Have you quit because of performance issues??



    /bow



    Hi Kelstar, first great system, second time to balance it bro :).

    Vista 64 + 8800GTX with "ONLY" 2gb, don't get me wrong this is perfectly alright for less demanding games and regular internet/email use, but with a card like that AND Vista 64 you really need atleast a minimum of 4gb, want to feel the full power of your rig go up to 6gb of ram. Also not sure about your power supply i do hope its 600w or more?

    Also be aware of the many problems surrounding Vista and Nvidia 8 series, yeah yeah Vanguard also has its issue, but just saying there is more then just Vanguard as some people seem to think that everything bad performance wise is related to Vanguard, but Nvidia forum truly shows more then that.

    Anyway if you would be able to balance that system and if Vista/Nvidia driver are working correctly and Vanguard continues to get optimized you will have a great rig to game for while.

    His system is fine and should play any game that isn't a programming disaster.  Also 6gb of ram is crazy, you won't need that much for a good while.
  • A_TrainA_Train Member Posts: 73
    Originally posted by Urdig


    http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_158.18.html  May 2nd driver release for 8800 series cards on vista 64.  Dunno if you have them or not, or if they work with VG, but there ya go. 
    Vista is recommend to run on 3gb of ram if I'm remembering correctly.  It uses a LOT more ram then xp does. 
    Vista is recommended to run on 1gb of ram.
  • Devildog1Devildog1 Member Posts: 494
    Originally posted by A_Train

    Originally posted by Urdig


    http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_158.18.html  May 2nd driver release for 8800 series cards on vista 64.  Dunno if you have them or not, or if they work with VG, but there ya go. 
    Vista is recommend to run on 3gb of ram if I'm remembering correctly.  It uses a LOT more ram then xp does. 
    Vista is recommended to run on 1gb of ram.

    I can't see how Vista could have a recommended RAM spec of 1 gig when just the OS running uses upwards 500 megs at a time.
  • kelstarkelstar Member Posts: 23
    Originally posted by iluvVG



    It wont be like this forever.  The game will die or it will get fixed.
    I like the sound of this. The brutal truth and you're right.

    Originally posted by Reklaw


    Hi Kelstar, first great system, second time to balance it bro :).
    Vista 64 + 8800GTX with "ONLY" 2gb, don't get me wrong this is perfectly alright for less demanding games and regular internet/email use, but with a card like that AND Vista 64 you really need atleast a minimum of 4gb, want to feel the full power of your rig go up to 6gb of ram. Also not sure about your power supply i do hope its 600w or more?
    Also be aware of the many problems surrounding Vista and Nvidia 8 series, yeah yeah Vanguard also has its issue, but just saying there is more then just Vanguard as some people seem to think that everything bad performance wise is related to Vanguard, but Nvidia forum truly shows more then that.
    Anyway if you would be able to balance that system and if Vista/Nvidia driver are working correctly and Vanguard continues to get optimized you will have a great rig to game for while.
    Thanks for your post Reklaw. I"m on 650W. The RAM solution might be a good avenue to pursue actually. WIth kernel32.dll seemingly being the hitching point between vgclient and vista, it could well be a deficiency in RAM I suppose. What shocked me to be honest is that I've been running the rig since launch and haven't had any problems with it. It's only really since the May 11 patch that I'm getting the crash-fest. Surely, if there was an underlying issue, it would have been problematic since the very beginning?

    Originally posted by Urdig


    http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_158.18.html  May 2nd driver release for 8800 series cards on vista 64.  Dunno if you have them or not, or if they work with VG, but there ya go. 
    Vista is recommend to run on 3gb of ram if I'm remembering correctly.  It uses a LOT more ram then xp does. 
    Yeah I get the driver updates as soon as they come out. I even did a rollback pre May 2 drivers thinking they might be the culprits! I was wrong.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069
    How's your sound card/drivers...thought I read at one point there were issues with older sound card drivers crashing VG... maybe that's all been fixed now?

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  • kelstarkelstar Member Posts: 23
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    How's your sound card/drivers...thought I read at one point there were issues with older sound card drivers crashing VG... maybe that's all been fixed now?
    Yeah that's a good point. I heard about that too. Truth is I'm running the audio off my MB the P5WDH Deluxe. The funny thing is that in game, I don't have the option under AUDIO to choose between software and hardware, there 's only the software option. I know this has been an issue some people have had, but how do you fix that?
  • boojiboyboojiboy Member UncommonPosts: 1,553
    Originally posted by kelstar

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    How's your sound card/drivers...thought I read at one point there were issues with older sound card drivers crashing VG... maybe that's all been fixed now?
    Yeah that's a good point. I heard about that too. Truth is I'm running the audio off my MB the P5WDH Deluxe. The funny thing is that in game, I don't have the option under AUDIO to choose between software and hardware, there 's only the software option. I know this has been an issue some people have had, but how do you fix that?

    I have a SB Audigy.  My card did not show up in the audio section as an option, so it defaulted to software.  I decided to update drivers for the Audigy (first time in over 3 years) and now the sound card shows up as an option in the VG audio section.
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