Originally posted by xplororor Originally posted by MadAce
I agree. I find the graphics of EVE possible the best graphics I've seen in a game to date. I've learned that while excessively playing EVE.
SWG and EQ2 are a two way tie as the best graphics in a mmorpg at present time. EvE is a distant 2nd place. The graphics in EvE are still very good though.
Why I don't play EVE, and comparing to SGE:
-You can only stand out and stop being player n°14953 if you have played for 3 years and know everyone. But you can't catch up with the veterans since there's only one server and training goes equally fast for everyone. In SGE you can challenge the vets at day 1, make a name of yourself at day two and have respect at day 5, although that will be VERY hard to accomplish. Tho it has been done.
Sorry, but you are incorrect. In EvE no one, no one, NO ONE, can learn every single skill. This means a new player has a legit chance vs a vet player, no matter how long a vet has been playing. It will take a new player roughly 2-3 months of playing roughly 4 hours each session to be in position to challenge a vet player in PvP. As far as PvE? A new player should have no problems at all no matter how short, or long they play.
EvE DOES have the steepest learning curve out of every mmorpg out. And far steeper than Starport! LOL!
Next, in Starport, a new player is in a far worse situation vs vet players. In Starport (SP) one has to play 3 or more resets before getting an idea of the game. Next, one must have litterally NO LIFE because no one can log out the game. So other players can attack your bases, your ship, anytime, 24hours a day. Only players with no life have time to fortify their bases, be online to defend them, re-fortify bases as soon as possible, etc....
Players with a life have to find some place in the Starport galaxy to hide, while they logout the game, but their character/ship remains in the game. And hope other players who are online don't find them. SP would be better IF it allowed one to program their ship to fight, and what moves to do, in a que, while the player is offline, but their ship is still in the game.
-You have to pay for EVE, although it's fairly cheap since the (many) expansions are free. SGE can be won with no Tokens.
Sorry, but bringing up having to pay to play is moot. Having a home computer itself is an ultra-luxery. If you cannot afford a computer game, then you should not be buying a $400.oo to $3,000.oo computer in the first place. Next, this point defeats itself! A MMORPG gives far more entertainment for the money than almost any other form of entertainement. It is litterally roughly 50 CENTS per day!!!! If you cannot afford to pay 50 cents per day, you need to get rid of the computer, and concentrate on doing your homework, finnishing school, so you can get a good career job, and then not be in danger of breaking your budget with 50 cents!
-You can't influence what will be in the game. SGE is 80% made up by players and there is EXTREMELY close contact with the devs./hr>
You are only half correct. Players do influence what is in EvE. Their game DEVs are very responsive. EvE does not make instant changes though. And since the game is not re-set ever month, they cannot experiment on a whim. SGE because it is sooo tiny a game, is able to do this easier. From a player standpoint, yes, it seems better... in the shortrun. But in the looong run, EvE wins. EvE has far, far, more content than SGE ever will.
-PvP, but not quite. There is little safe space in EVE. But on the other hand... Why fight? The Empires in SGE are far more real. You have to build them yourself, remember?
EvE is now on the same level with this game feature. Actually, better. In SGE you build your empire, only to have it get wiped out after the game gets re-set! In EvE, you build an empire, and it lasts as long as you keep it up! As far as "safe space" both SGE and EvE match each other.
-Time consuming. Everything in EVE takes an extreme amount of time. Mining: 25 minutes for a few batches, warping to battlefield: hours...
Sorry, but you are incorrect. SGE is far more time consuming than EvE. To play SGE, one must have no life at all. Because one can never logout their character. Other players can attack your ship, your planets, your defenses, anytime 24hours a day. If you are not at the computer, your ship will just sit there, getting whittled down, not firing a single retal shot. Your forts will never get re-fortified.
EvE allows training while you are offline, away from your computer. Mining at first takes time because you start out in a wimpy newbie ship. Later on you have access to giant ships that are far more advanced. And there are other things to do in EvE also.
You are completly incorrect when you claim it takes hours to warp to a battlefield. It takes anywhere from 5 mins to 15 mins to warp to space that allows you to rip apart another player ship without having to worry about the high level NPC police ships.
-Not casual. SGE can be played on casual basis. EVE requires constant attention.
I just listed why its the OTHER WAY AROUND. SGE is far more time consuming, while EvE is less time consuming.
-Steep learning curve. SHE has an extremely steep learning curve; EVE has a vertical learning curve.
LOL! You have no idea how much it is the opposite. What is to learn in SGE? It takes 1 second to learn how to move your ship. 1 hour to learn how to do everything else in the game. Then the game becomes who has the most free time to build the most bases on the most planets. Who has the most free time to warp around collecting resources.
EvE litterally takes months to learn every single thing in the game. There are sooo many strategies in shipbuilding, ship add ons, different ways to PvP, even to PvE. No one ship can have everything, so thought must go into how to build your ship, and how you decide you will fight with the strengths and weaknesses of your weapons of choice.
-Unfriendly community. PvP so badass people. SGE is more PvP but has awesome people.
SGE is ALL PvP ALL the time 24 hours. It is 75% FFA PvP. You can kill anyone, and anyone can kill you - as long as your not in the same guild. AND as long as you are online. It is near impossible to solo in SGE. If you solo forget about trying to build an empire, unless you can be online 24hours a day.
EvE has a far better community than SGE. SGE has a transient community since the game gets re-set every month or so. Plus it has a less mature crowd since the entire game is free. EvE has one of the most mature communities out of all mmorpgs because of the steep learning curve (helps weed out the immature minded). Join a corp/guild and your set with finding a great in game community!!!
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You can't enter planets, or land on them. Like you can in SGE, although has a schematic and cartoony way to do that.The only things besides ships are stations and warp-gates. There are many designs of space stations, but quite standard set-ups of offered features. For example a stations with a research facility won't be holding an industrial complex to build things. Large corps/alliances can build their own stations, which is expensive and time-consuming.
You have just answered your own question. EvE has updated its game/is in the process of updating its game, to give players even more to do. I do agree SGE has a few features EvE does not have, such as landing on a planet, and going inside your planetary fortress/base.
If you want to get anywhere then it's even more time demanding than SGE. Small-time players can't quit for a week knowing their money will just grow, as it is the case in SGE. They have to actively play to make money.
Travel times in EvE and SGE are exactly the SAME! The warp maps even look the same LOL! SGE is the poorman's EvE.
In SGE, small time players loose everything! If they quit for a week and come back, they will find all their bases destroyed, all their planets taken over, and no chance to rebuild. Because the victors are even stronger than before, and the game will end/get re-set even sooner. Also if anyone quits SGE for a week it is 99% likely their ship will be vaporized, and if it was a good one, they will have to spend tons of time getting funds to get it again. Heck, if one logs off SGE for just 1 HOUR chances are their ship will be vaporized when they come back LOL! Let alone being away for 1 week LOL!
There aren't any colonies, since you can't land/enter planets. But making your ship battle-worthy or run-worthy is just as important. And possibly time-consuming.
I do agree in EvE it takes longer to upgrade to a PvP worthy ship. Which is the FUN of the game. Getting the ship is only half the work. One has to decide what mods, upgrades, weaponry, defenses, etc... to go with since NO SHIP in the game can have every single thing. It takes roughly 1 - 3 months to have a PvP worthy ship in EvE. In SGE it takes 1-3 days.
But in SGE the best ship means nothing, a newbie in their pea-shooter ship can wait for you to log out your account, then plunk away at your uber ship while its sitting there, and destroy it.
As for PvE? In both games one can enter PvE during the 1st day of playing and have FUN!
I believe the game isn't intended to be played solo, but you can do it of course. Mind that it is impossible to NOT be in a corp. But there are NPC corps with few rules, the noob corps so to speak. Some players thrive there, minding their own business.
It is very possible to solo in EvE. Far more possible than in SGE. In EvE, as long as one plays SMART one can solo the entire game. The fact that one can train their character while offline is hugely in line with the solo oriented player. (As well as the non-solo player who HAS A LIFE.) No one can kill you in 1 shot in EvE if you build your ship right. You have time to run away if you see 10 Battleships waiting for your 1 battleship. Plus you know ahead of time if you are going into a dangerous area and can PREPARE ahead of time!
In SGE it is impossible to solo, since you can never log out your ship. As soon as you leave your computer, someone will find your ship, your planet, your fortress, your empire, and vaporize it. If you are not in a group/guild, there will be no one online to PROTECT you, your ship, your forthress, or your empire.
Also in EvE it is possible for a solo player to kill 3 other players, of the "same level" aka same ship type..... at the same time. Because since no 1 ship can have everything, the smart player will know, practice, how to operate their ship in their sleep. And know how to use every weapon, and defence, in their sleep. So a battleship can be taken down by a smaller ship. 1 solo player can "own" 3 or more players.
In two months you could REALLY get somewhere. But be noticed? At all? No way.
Although I managed to be in some conspiracy in the 1.5 month I was there, and I even participated in a campaign, without even knowing it.
But do they remember me now? No way.
What I like about SGE is that it's... Small. One player can post something on the forums that can mount a war in days and make turmoil succumb trough the galaxies. It only needs one player, maybe even a big noob.
In EVE that's impossible. Can you get on the real life news with your opinion? When you're lucky, but you won't influence much.
NOW GO BEYOND THE GRAPHICS PEOPLE!
It is not about the graphics that is "holding SGE back". EvE simply has far more features! Far, far, more features!
And they cost money! This is why Pay to Play games will always be better than 100% free games. That is how capitalism works.
One player can indeed influence events in EvE. Even better than in SGE since EvE is on ONE server. If you slay sooo many players, your name will litterally be feared by E-V-E-R-Y single player in the ENTIRE game. If you form a guild, your guild can make a name known by EVERY single player in the ENTIRE game. EvE is EPIC vs SGE.
It really comes down to this -> YOU like SGE! Nooo problem! Keep on having fun playing SGE. There are very roughly 1k players playing SGE. At its peak, maybe 5k players. EvE has roughly 50k and MORE players playing. SGE is what is called a NITCH mmorpg. EvE is also a nitch mmorpg, but not as nitchy as SGE. SGE in its current state will NEVER be as big as EvE. Never. Keep on having fun with SGE. Let us other players keep on having fun with EvE. Live and let live! You will never on your own get thousands of EvE players to convert to SGE. Sorry, but it will never happen. Just have fun with what you like, after all, BOTH players in SGE and in EvE are on the same side - we're ALL GAMERS!!! SGE and EvE can both exist, and do. If you have more fun in SGE, more power to you. But you will never see SGE get as big as EvE. Just continue having fun in SGE if that's "your cup 'o tea".
I'd loved to respond to each and every point in here but I noticed that all your "arguments" are based on misconseptions. Also the fact that you think that P2P always beats free is sad.
I think you played for a week, then got killed a few times too many because you logged out in open space and were unwilling to ask anyone what you were doing wrong or even visit the forums. It's easy to avoid being killed and your mistakes were about as noobish as NOT getting insurance or a clone in EVE. You also spend NO time in the community at all.
You also seem to think that ALL servers reset. There are over 10 PERMANENT SERVERS! And some of them are PAX, meaning that they are PvP-less.
Come back with ARGUMENTS when you played the game... With an open mind, otherwise don't waste our time.
there are a few game similar to SGE (SubSpace, Continuum, Hostile Space, Infinity Empire.......) and I tried them all (seriously) and all of them have drawbacks compared to SGE.
It's sad that you don't play SGE (not that I want to convert anyone, lol) due to reasons for which a 2 day playing noob will call you a retard (if the noob is young of age, and wants to risk being looked upon as not-noob-friendly).
Now... Is there anyone that played SGE? In the last two months? And longer than 5 hours in total?
Originally posted by Harafnir Qustion: Why play bad games when you can play good games? I am sure you will have tns of input on that as well, but I am not interested in your little manufactured tales, I want you to ask it to yourself. Persistence.. Its not about that. Most people can put an X somewhere on the line between: Free----------------------------------------------------------------------Quality
Some people can put little Xs on that line, but Staport exists somewhere on a perpendicular axis to that...
Yeah, this thread is gonna get a lot of flames from EVE fanboys, you can tell already. I don't think that's furthering anything tho, EVE and S:GE are different games. Even though they're in the same sort of genre, some folks will say EVE's better, while others insist S:GE takes the cake. I'm a Starport person myself, and I can vouch for its awesomeness . Never played EVE. Don't have the money, and I spend all my spare time playing S:GE anyway.
Spankybear: Is it saying this at the login screen (purple window and so-on)? If so, it's probably your firewall. If you disable you firewall it should work fine, but you don't have to do that. There are ways around it; check the support FAQ that madace linked to to see what ports need to be opened, or you can tell Norton (or whatever) to permit StarportGE.
pft. Definatly everyone who's flamed this game on this topic has ether
A) hasn't played the game for more than 10 minutes a day, for 2 weeks
got killed, than quite
C) Hasn't even explored the game, or given it a chance
D) Are eve fanboys, that won't try a game without amazing graphics
Lets put it this way
- SGE dosen't have good graphics
- SGE dosen't have as many rpg elements as EVE
- SGE has less features
- SGE takes persistants to learn the game
- SGE has much higher quality pvp than almost every mmorpg.
If you ever played Perma servers, you'll find this point true in almost any situation. Colonies are prized over ships, EVE is the other way around.
Therefor, it's more important to protect colonies, which in the end, proves to a lot of battles, recon work, spyes, invasion, defence, alliances, flanking etc etc.
- You don't need to play SGE for long to survive
1 hour a day, in a corporation, or 1.5 hours a day solo, is all you need to be a top player in SGE, you can protect your ship when your offline, by landing on a defended colony, staying in un space *for a fee* or staying in ports scattered around the galaxy.
It's easy to take a 2-4 week break without being destroyed, all you really need is somewhere to sleep. as long as you don't sleep in open space, or close to spawns, you'll be fine.
Those are the six main points that should be cleared up...
i am often reading the beginning of the thread and what must say is...
edit: someome else beat me to it. i have to agree with starport fans for once.
i mean seriously people, stop judging the game by the graphics, overlooking and actually check out the gameplay for once.
there are a couple of space games like starports, jumpgate, other misc space games that are underrated and does not have superior graphix compared to eve.
starports may be a nice game for other peeps however, the non-presistant part is what drives me away from the game... unless if thats changed.
I always ignore graphics and sound when it comes to games, it's suppose to be fun and SGE is fun simply because of the fact that you can actually WIN a game, that there is very direct p2p possible, that you can chat with all people online on the same server, that's it's a close and friendly community and because you can do a lot of different things really, you just need to play very long to learn them.
Most people look at this game and say meh, too sucky graphics, too hard and not enough people but in my opinion the first one doesn't matter because the speed of the game is a lot higher, the second is actually a GOOD thing for someone like me (I play through most games fairly rapidly) and "not enough people" is strangly debatable. Rebangs are low on players but most permas have 100-200 players in them, activaly playing and about 1000 logged in to it.
Ohh yeah, SGE is persistent now, permanent servers have been added, the first one is about a year old now, come check it out :P.
I'd say, try it for a couple of weeks, try to have some fun and see 4 yourself.
And yes, I'm a SGE addict like good old MadAce *winks Madace*
Even with all the updates the interface sucks; It's not intuitive and it doesn't have any convenience features.
You get one character. Period. Your wife can't play with you, you can't delete your character. If you run into anyone that kills new players then your entire experience is screwed. You lose your ability to play and then they force you to wait 30 days to start over. There isn't any moderation from any officials, it's a breeding ground for insolent children who constantly use profane language which easily gets around their vulgar language filter.
In my opinion do NOT start playing this game. It's not ready to be called FINAL, let alone a Beta.
Even with all the updates the interface sucks; It's not intuitive and it doesn't have any convenience features.
You get one character. Period. Your wife can't play with you, you can't delete your character. If you run into anyone that kills new players then your entire experience is screwed. You lose your ability to play and then they force you to wait 30 days to start over. There isn't any moderation from any officials, it's a breeding ground for insolent children who constantly use profane language which easily gets around their vulgar language filter.
In my opinion do NOT start playing this game. It's not ready to be called FINAL, let alone a Beta.
Spent a lot of time with Straport but was ultimately unimpressed. The first reason is a largely circular argument. There aren't that many people playing. It's kind of a vicious cycle really, no one plays it because no one is playing it, etc.
Next up is the fact that you can be killed while you're logged off. Not only that, but someone can come by and take over your bases while you're logged off. For awhile, this is how I made money. If I came to a planet while looking for those cheesy mineral icons and found an undefended base, I would take it over and take any money that was left in it. Sometimes the base would have a few turrets around it and I'd have to either hit and run them to death or just rush past them to take the base as fast as I could, and hoped that I'd survive. BTW, I usually survived.
I spent most of my time in-game being a space taxi. Yeah, there's money to be made from gathering resources and taking over bases but before you have a base, you have to run people from one place to the next. A lot. You think that most of your worries are over once you set up that first base, but if you don't have any turrets you won't hold that base overnight. Sometimes you won't hold the base even if you have turrets
Everything is expensive as fuck!!! It takes a long time before you have enough money for new ships and loadouts. Bases seem to be cheap until you realize that you have to have ungodly levels of defense to guard them from assholes like me that will rush the holes in your defenses with the "beginner boat" and steal all your shit. Ultimately, the rate at which you lose money far outstrips the rate at which you make money. I haven't found any way around this, sadly enough. Even stealing does not give you enough money to cover your loses.
Finally, I discovered a couple of single player indie games that gave me roughly the same experience. Flatspace 2 and Escape Velocity. Both these games cost $20 and give me just as much replay as Starport. Both games have roughly the same level of depth as Starport.
Now just so the Eve fanbois don't feel left out, there are single player alternative so their game as well. X3: Reunion, which you can pick up for about $20. And Frontier: Elite 2 which is cheap as in free. Although you're going to need a copy of DOSBox to run Frontier.
IMO, I play MMOs to get away from RL and enter a different world for an hour or two.... When the game looks like crap on a stick, I have a hard time believing its a different universe - Not some flash game you find on the internet.
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Sorry, but you are incorrect.
In EvE no one, no one, NO ONE, can learn every single skill. This means a new player has a legit chance vs a vet player, no matter how long a vet has been playing. It will take a new player roughly 2-3 months of playing roughly 4 hours each session to be in position to challenge a vet player in PvP. As far as PvE? A new player should have no problems at all no matter how short, or long they play.
EvE DOES have the steepest learning curve out of every mmorpg out. And far steeper than Starport! LOL!
Next, in Starport, a new player is in a far worse situation vs vet players. In Starport (SP) one has to play 3 or more resets before getting an idea of the game. Next, one must have litterally NO LIFE because no one can log out the game. So other players can attack your bases, your ship, anytime, 24hours a day. Only players with no life have time to fortify their bases, be online to defend them, re-fortify bases as soon as possible, etc....
Players with a life have to find some place in the Starport galaxy to hide, while they logout the game, but their character/ship remains in the game. And hope other players who are online don't find them. SP would be better IF it allowed one to program their ship to fight, and what moves to do, in a que, while the player is offline, but their ship is still in the game.
Sorry, but bringing up having to pay to play is moot. Having a home computer itself is an ultra-luxery. If you cannot afford a computer game, then you should not be buying a $400.oo to $3,000.oo computer in the first place. Next, this point defeats itself! A MMORPG gives far more entertainment for the money than almost any other form of entertainement. It is litterally roughly 50 CENTS per day!!!! If you cannot afford to pay 50 cents per day, you need to get rid of the computer, and concentrate on doing your homework, finnishing school, so you can get a good career job, and then not be in danger of breaking your budget with 50 cents!
You are only half correct. Players do influence what is in EvE. Their game DEVs are very responsive. EvE does not make instant changes though. And since the game is not re-set ever month, they cannot experiment on a whim. SGE because it is sooo tiny a game, is able to do this easier. From a player standpoint, yes, it seems better... in the shortrun. But in the looong run, EvE wins. EvE has far, far, more content than SGE ever will.
EvE is now on the same level with this game feature. Actually, better. In SGE you build your empire, only to have it get wiped out after the game gets re-set! In EvE, you build an empire, and it lasts as long as you keep it up! As far as "safe space" both SGE and EvE match each other.
Sorry, but you are incorrect. SGE is far more time consuming than EvE. To play SGE, one must have no life at all. Because one can never logout their character. Other players can attack your ship, your planets, your defenses, anytime 24hours a day. If you are not at the computer, your ship will just sit there, getting whittled down, not firing a single retal shot. Your forts will never get re-fortified.EvE allows training while you are offline, away from your computer. Mining at first takes time because you start out in a wimpy newbie ship. Later on you have access to giant ships that are far more advanced. And there are other things to do in EvE also.
You are completly incorrect when you claim it takes hours to warp to a battlefield. It takes anywhere from 5 mins to 15 mins to warp to space that allows you to rip apart another player ship without having to worry about the high level NPC police ships.
I just listed why its the OTHER WAY AROUND. SGE is far more time consuming, while EvE is less time consuming.
LOL! You have no idea how much it is the opposite. What is to learn in SGE? It takes 1 second to learn how to move your ship. 1 hour to learn how to do everything else in the game. Then the game becomes who has the most free time to build the most bases on the most planets. Who has the most free time to warp around collecting resources.
EvE litterally takes months to learn every single thing in the game. There are sooo many strategies in shipbuilding, ship add ons, different ways to PvP, even to PvE. No one ship can have everything, so thought must go into how to build your ship, and how you decide you will fight with the strengths and weaknesses of your weapons of choice.
SGE is ALL PvP ALL the time 24 hours. It is 75% FFA PvP. You can kill anyone, and anyone can kill you - as long as your not in the same guild. AND as long as you are online. It is near impossible to solo in SGE. If you solo forget about trying to build an empire, unless you can be online 24hours a day.
EvE has a far better community than SGE. SGE has a transient community since the game gets re-set every month or so. Plus it has a less mature crowd since the entire game is free. EvE has one of the most mature communities out of all mmorpgs because of the steep learning curve (helps weed out the immature minded). Join a corp/guild and your set with finding a great in game community!!!
You have just answered your own question. EvE has updated its game/is in the process of updating its game, to give players even more to do. I do agree SGE has a few features EvE does not have, such as landing on a planet, and going inside your planetary fortress/base.
Travel times in EvE and SGE are exactly the SAME! The warp maps even look the same LOL! SGE is the poorman's EvE.In SGE, small time players loose everything! If they quit for a week and come back, they will find all their bases destroyed, all their planets taken over, and no chance to rebuild. Because the victors are even stronger than before, and the game will end/get re-set even sooner. Also if anyone quits SGE for a week it is 99% likely their ship will be vaporized, and if it was a good one, they will have to spend tons of time getting funds to get it again. Heck, if one logs off SGE for just 1 HOUR chances are their ship will be vaporized when they come back LOL! Let alone being away for 1 week LOL!
I do agree in EvE it takes longer to upgrade to a PvP worthy ship. Which is the FUN of the game. Getting the ship is only half the work. One has to decide what mods, upgrades, weaponry, defenses, etc... to go with since NO SHIP in the game can have every single thing. It takes roughly 1 - 3 months to have a PvP worthy ship in EvE. In SGE it takes 1-3 days.But in SGE the best ship means nothing, a newbie in their pea-shooter ship can wait for you to log out your account, then plunk away at your uber ship while its sitting there, and destroy it.
As for PvE? In both games one can enter PvE during the 1st day of playing and have FUN!
It is very possible to solo in EvE. Far more possible than in SGE. In EvE, as long as one plays SMART one can solo the entire game. The fact that one can train their character while offline is hugely in line with the solo oriented player. (As well as the non-solo player who HAS A LIFE.) No one can kill you in 1 shot in EvE if you build your ship right. You have time to run away if you see 10 Battleships waiting for your 1 battleship. Plus you know ahead of time if you are going into a dangerous area and can PREPARE ahead of time!In SGE it is impossible to solo, since you can never log out your ship. As soon as you leave your computer, someone will find your ship, your planet, your fortress, your empire, and vaporize it. If you are not in a group/guild, there will be no one online to PROTECT you, your ship, your forthress, or your empire.
Also in EvE it is possible for a solo player to kill 3 other players, of the "same level" aka same ship type..... at the same time. Because since no 1 ship can have everything, the smart player will know, practice, how to operate their ship in their sleep. And know how to use every weapon, and defence, in their sleep. So a battleship can be taken down by a smaller ship. 1 solo player can "own" 3 or more players.
It is not about the graphics that is "holding SGE back". EvE simply has far more features! Far, far, more features!And they cost money! This is why Pay to Play games will always be better than 100% free games. That is how capitalism works.
One player can indeed influence events in EvE. Even better than in SGE since EvE is on ONE server. If you slay sooo many players, your name will litterally be feared by E-V-E-R-Y single player in the ENTIRE game. If you form a guild, your guild can make a name known by EVERY single player in the ENTIRE game. EvE is EPIC vs SGE.
It really comes down to this -> YOU like SGE! Nooo problem! Keep on having fun playing SGE. There are very roughly 1k players playing SGE. At its peak, maybe 5k players. EvE has roughly 50k and MORE players playing. SGE is what is called a NITCH mmorpg. EvE is also a nitch mmorpg, but not as nitchy as SGE. SGE in its current state will NEVER be as big as EvE. Never. Keep on having fun with SGE. Let us other players keep on having fun with EvE. Live and let live! You will never on your own get thousands of EvE players to convert to SGE. Sorry, but it will never happen. Just have fun with what you like, after all, BOTH players in SGE and in EvE are on the same side - we're ALL GAMERS!!! SGE and EvE can both exist, and do. If you have more fun in SGE, more power to you. But you will never see SGE get as big as EvE. Just continue having fun in SGE if that's "your cup 'o tea".
I'd loved to respond to each and every point in here but I noticed that
all your "arguments" are based on misconseptions. Also the fact that
you think that P2P always beats free is sad.
I think you played for a week, then got killed a few times too many
because you logged out in open space and were unwilling to ask anyone
what you were doing wrong or even visit the forums. It's easy to avoid
being killed and your mistakes were about as noobish as NOT getting
insurance or a clone in EVE. You also spend NO time in the community at
all.
You also seem to think that ALL servers reset. There are over 10 PERMANENT SERVERS! And some of them are PAX, meaning that they are PvP-less.
Come back with ARGUMENTS when you played the game... With an open mind, otherwise don't waste our time.
SpankyBear,
Starport Support
xplororor,
there are a few game similar to SGE (SubSpace, Continuum, Hostile
Space, Infinity Empire.......) and I tried them all (seriously) and all
of them have drawbacks compared to SGE.
It's sad that you don't play SGE (not that I want to convert anyone,
lol) due to reasons for which a 2 day playing noob will call you a
retard (if the noob is young of age, and wants to risk being looked
upon as not-noob-friendly).
Now... Is there anyone that played SGE? In the last two months? And longer than 5 hours in total?
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Yeah, this thread is gonna get a lot of flames from EVE fanboys, you can tell already. I don't think that's furthering anything tho, EVE and S:GE are different games. Even though they're in the same sort of genre, some folks will say EVE's better, while others insist S:GE takes the cake. I'm a Starport person myself, and I can vouch for its awesomeness
Spankybear:
Is it saying this at the login screen (purple window and so-on)? If so, it's probably your firewall. If you disable you firewall it should work fine, but you don't have to do that. There are ways around it; check the support FAQ that madace linked to to see what ports need to be opened, or you can tell Norton (or whatever) to permit StarportGE.
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pft. Definatly everyone who's flamed this game on this topic has ether
A) hasn't played the game for more than 10 minutes a day, for 2 weeks
C) Hasn't even explored the game, or given it a chance
D) Are eve fanboys, that won't try a game without amazing graphics
Lets put it this way
- SGE dosen't have good graphics
- SGE dosen't have as many rpg elements as EVE
- SGE has less features
- SGE takes persistants to learn the game
- SGE has much higher quality pvp than almost every mmorpg.
If you ever played Perma servers, you'll find this point true in almost any situation. Colonies are prized over ships, EVE is the other way around.
Therefor, it's more important to protect colonies, which in the end, proves to a lot of battles, recon work, spyes, invasion, defence, alliances, flanking etc etc.
- You don't need to play SGE for long to survive
1 hour a day, in a corporation, or 1.5 hours a day solo, is all you need to be a top player in SGE, you can protect your ship when your offline, by landing on a defended colony, staying in un space *for a fee* or staying in ports scattered around the galaxy.
It's easy to take a 2-4 week break without being destroyed, all you really need is somewhere to sleep. as long as you don't sleep in open space, or close to spawns, you'll be fine.
Those are the six main points that should be cleared up...
i am often reading the beginning of the thread and what must say is...
edit: someome else beat me to it. i have to agree with starport fans for once.
i mean seriously people, stop judging the game by the graphics, overlooking and actually check out the gameplay for once.
there are a couple of space games like starports, jumpgate, other misc space games that are underrated and does not have superior graphix compared to eve.
starports may be a nice game for other peeps however, the non-presistant part is what drives me away from the game... unless if thats changed.
I always ignore graphics and sound when it comes to games, it's suppose to be fun and SGE is fun simply because of the fact that you can actually WIN a game, that there is very direct p2p possible, that you can chat with all people online on the same server, that's it's a close and friendly community and because you can do a lot of different things really, you just need to play very long to learn them.
Most people look at this game and say meh, too sucky graphics, too hard and not enough people but in my opinion the first one doesn't matter because the speed of the game is a lot higher, the second is actually a GOOD thing for someone like me (I play through most games fairly rapidly) and "not enough people" is strangly debatable. Rebangs are low on players but most permas have 100-200 players in them, activaly playing and about 1000 logged in to it.
Ohh yeah, SGE is persistent now, permanent servers have been added, the first one is about a year old now, come check it out :P.
I'd say, try it for a couple of weeks, try to have some fun and see 4 yourself.
And yes, I'm a SGE addict like good old MadAce *winks Madace*
Omegaslide
Nemo Ante Mortem Beatus
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
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Still in: A couple Betas
Even with all the updates the interface sucks; It's not intuitive and it doesn't have any convenience features.
You get one character. Period. Your wife can't play with you, you can't delete your character. If you run into anyone that kills new players then your entire experience is screwed. You lose your ability to play and then they force you to wait 30 days to start over. There isn't any moderation from any officials, it's a breeding ground for insolent children who constantly use profane language which easily gets around their vulgar language filter.
In my opinion do NOT start playing this game. It's not ready to be called FINAL, let alone a Beta.
I find endless amusement in people who must insist that everyone else adhere to their own tastes.
Next up is the fact that you can be killed while you're logged off. Not only that, but someone can come by and take over your bases while you're logged off. For awhile, this is how I made money. If I came to a planet while looking for those cheesy mineral icons and found an undefended base, I would take it over and take any money that was left in it. Sometimes the base would have a few turrets around it and I'd have to either hit and run them to death or just rush past them to take the base as fast as I could, and hoped that I'd survive. BTW, I usually survived.
I spent most of my time in-game being a space taxi. Yeah, there's money to be made from gathering resources and taking over bases but before you have a base, you have to run people from one place to the next. A lot. You think that most of your worries are over once you set up that first base, but if you don't have any turrets you won't hold that base overnight. Sometimes you won't hold the base even if you have turrets
Everything is expensive as fuck!!! It takes a long time before you have enough money for new ships and loadouts. Bases seem to be cheap until you realize that you have to have ungodly levels of defense to guard them from assholes like me that will rush the holes in your defenses with the "beginner boat" and steal all your shit. Ultimately, the rate at which you lose money far outstrips the rate at which you make money. I haven't found any way around this, sadly enough. Even stealing does not give you enough money to cover your loses.
Finally, I discovered a couple of single player indie games that gave me roughly the same experience. Flatspace 2 and Escape Velocity. Both these games cost $20 and give me just as much replay as Starport. Both games have roughly the same level of depth as Starport.
Now just so the Eve fanbois don't feel left out, there are single player alternative so their game as well. X3: Reunion, which you can pick up for about $20. And Frontier: Elite 2 which is cheap as in free. Although you're going to need a copy of DOSBox to run Frontier.
In just a few words...
The graphics suck.
IMO, I play MMOs to get away from RL and enter a different world for an hour or two.... When the game looks like crap on a stick, I have a hard time believing its a different universe - Not some flash game you find on the internet.