You know, if this is true, I find it bothers me a bit more than the whole blueprint deal. I didn't care much for that one, but when a BoB member can go and whine to a dev to get whoever he wants banned, well... that's a different story.
People tend to take way to serious that freaking game.... Anyhow good luck to those still playing, seems like my concept of that game is being reinforced more everytime. Heh, ironic.
Well that's some serious stuff. I'm honestly a bit baffled. Not much I care to say on that topic right now. The Open Letter speaks for itself well enough.
After the late incident I was very well willing to move on and give the understanding that, from the business point of view, the handling of the incident, then it was finally handled, was all I could ask for as well as how it was done. Although the one thing now is, that I'll take my money somewhere else.
PS: Damage control on their official forums, huh? I'd say funny but it isn't really.
I joined the "Help" channel in EVE to see if there was any chatter regarding this and ...oh my. I suppose since the forums are now disabled the Goons began posting in the public channels. Blue, then Red mods began moderating the channel. Just now Yellow ("gluon" Vice admiral with ISD/STAR one of the leads of the player support organization) is now modding as well. They have been handing out some sort of ban to anyone whom posts the link to the Goon site or mentioning what the statement said.
I dont normally get involved in drama bombs but this is too entertaining, and yet still sad. I love EVE but if Goons post turns out to be accurate then I can no longer support CCP by renewing my sub. Tis a sad day.
Down with the corruption!...just leave the all powerfull isd/ccp players/employees play their game *cough* ALONE. Why does ppl have to pay 15 bucks a month to get scammed/cheated. FFS!
The sad thing is that letter is completely False. There is not one truth in it.
If you believe anything a goon tells you, I have a bridge to sell you in brooklyn.
The entire game would be far better off if CCP just banned everyone in goonfleet.
I really feel sorry for some of you posters on here, you really need to get a clue what the goons are trying to do and I guarentee you it will not be favorable to you in any way.
Originally posted by Ciredric The sad thing is that letter is completely False. There is not one truth in it. If you believe anything a goon tells you, I have a bridge to sell you in brooklyn. The entire game would be far better off if CCP just banned everyone in goonfleet.
and what about of screenshots ? and if is so fake why make news about that ? and last time was "there are no dev in bob bla bla bla" and was true atm kugu & co have 2 points CCP 0 points
Originally posted by Ciredric I really feel sorry for some of you posters on here, you really need to get a clue what the goons are trying to do and I guarentee you it will not be favorable to you in any way.
Don't feel sorry for the posters here. If anything, this will help people to free up a lot of money and time playing EVE.
You said we need to get a clue. Give us the clue.
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"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
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The sad thing is that letter is completely False. There is not one truth in it.
If you believe anything a goon tells you, I have a bridge to sell you in brooklyn.
The entire game would be far better off if CCP just banned everyone in goonfleet.
and what about of screenshots ?
and if is so fake why make news about that ?
and last time was "there are no dev in bob bla bla bla" and was true
atm kugu & co have 2 points
CCP 0 points Screenshots can easily be doctored by a talented artist...these really prove nothing....
Look... it isn't hard.. you don't like what CCP and their Dev's are doing...just quit...and play LoTRO or something less stressful.....
Can the pages and pages of chat logs, screenshots, testamony, and documentation be doctored? I guess so, but its far more proof than the CCP/BoB/EVE apologists have given us. Usually, their response to the proof is a few well-placed "trust me"s, a couple, "don't trust the accusers," and a whole load of "the game's integrity means a lot." In other words, no solid defense, other than the same line I see here of, "these things can be falsified, ergo they are false." But then if they are so obviously false, then why haven't we seen any proof that these things are doctored by the CCP/BoB/EVE apologists?
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
In a virtual environment, fame is all what you got and you'll ever get. That's the biggest problem likes as SOE got nowadays. That could be very well the biggest problem CCP will have soon or already has.
Re-occurring claims about whatever negative stuff happened or is going on right now, will hurt the company and game as a whole.
Now that is neither denial nor acknowledgement from my side in regards to the news. Yet, after this infamous other late incident, I tend to say the nay-sayers or those who say that's all made up, do not convince me easily or at all. Especially if there is no backup provided whatsoever for their claims. Being vocal doesn't serve your cause very well. Facts and actual proof does.
I was pretty tired myself of threads like the BE WARNED: EVE DEVELOPER CAUGHT CHEATING one and not only said so, but also agreed with Kyleran in this thread, on this specific topic. This doesn't mean I will just dismiss new information which are brought to light. This stuff is something totally new and it's bad either if true or not.
Originally posted by Kyleran Screenshots can easily be doctored by a talented artist...these really prove nothing....
One word: no. Why? Because the RGB count would be off. That's the nasty thing about digital images, just look at the RGB count and see if it's not original to it, layers being flattened makes it go whacky as opposed to a clean screenshot being simply cut'n'pasted.
Screenshots can easily be doctored by a talented artist...these really prove nothing....
One word: no. Why? Because the RGB count would be off. That's the nasty thing about digital images, just look at the RGB count and see if it's not original to it, layers being flattened makes it go whacky as opposed to a clean screenshot being simply cut'n'pasted.
-- Brede
It would be an easy task for someone who really wants to create such drama to doctor some images. They can easily create a DX overlay program to display any text they want on the game window...Hell, NVidia has an option for this if you look hard enough
Also, if you take a print screen of the game and paste it directly into photoshop as opposed to editing the screenshot, you can edit the palette however you want. Set a new profile, open another "real" screenshot from EVE, and merge color palettes. Only lossy samples edit the RGB count.
Also check out the dimensions of the "screenshots" and the format change.
#1: 1023x768 (jpg)
#2: 1026x765 (png)
Why the change in resolution beyond the normal 1024x768. Only time EVE saves images at diff resolutions is when the mode is changed from full screen to windowed, or the window itself is moved in Windows.
But...about this entire thing, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show. No point making arrangements to leave the game over something that may or may not be true...wait for the hard facts people
Admiral_Chamrajnagar: ok anyone know an ISD named rekan? Macayle: why? [IC]Raekhan: I'm right here. Admiral_Chamrajnagar: you need to leave that system Admiral_Chamrajnagar: you are making an ass of yourself Admiral_Chamrajnagar: and of ccp [IC]Raekhan: ? Admiral_Chamrajnagar: enticing the player base is not actions that you want to do [IC]Raekhan: What..are...you.... [IC]Raekhan: ? Cortes feels a facepalm coming on [EA]Aristaqis: enticing? Was he putting on a strip show or something? [IC]Tsuki facepalms Admiral_Chamrajnagar: the local player base asked him to politly stop pushing dreads Admiral_Chamrajnagar: that were undergoing a siege operation [IC]Raekhan: I was not pushing a dread. [IC]Raekhan: I'm 70KM away. Admiral_Chamrajnagar: it does not matter.. posting in local "no" Admiral_Chamrajnagar: and that "your not going away" Admiral_Chamrajnagar: and that all you hear is "static" Admiral_Chamrajnagar: and to complain to eris discordia Admiral_Chamrajnagar: is not helpfull at all Cortes: which wouldn't do much good given I'm the IC VA
You can take off the encoding on any ADOBE file with ease. Download adExtract for Linux (I know there is one for windows as well but dont remember the name)
Not to mention, there are a million other graphics programs available for use
Why change jpg to png 30 minutes later?
Not saying this guy is lying, but there are numerous ways to make fake screenshots.
That's why they're generally not accepted as evidence by *anyone*
Ya know, one way or the other.. it doesn't matter if a dev is cheating or not while playing for the BoB alliance.
The simple fact is that someone (much more than 1 person) with insider knowledge of the game, such as where rare things are, or what changes will be happening, etc.. is involved with a player alliance.
They should not be playing at all, or should only be allowed into a special corp that is clearly marked as a dev corp, for devs only.
You are taking the word of the two faced whiny goons?
I dislike BoB a lot, I am not in 0.0 right now because of them. But I have a lot of experience with the goons too and they are much worse.
The goons are losing to BoB in the game, so there only recourse is to lie, cheat, steal to get their way.
This is just another goon antic which has NO basis in fact whatsoever.
I just wish CCP would bite the bullet and ban the entire goon alliance, the game would be far better off!
Note: all devs should play their game, if they don't they have no way of knowing the problems in the game. Suggesting the devs should not play Eve is just ridiculous. All that would do is give us a worse game.
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People tend to take way to serious that freaking game.... Anyhow good luck to those still playing, seems like my concept of that game is being reinforced more everytime. Heh, ironic.
seams ppl spamed whit that on forums and now forums are off lol
http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?forum=3510
http://digg.com/pc_games/More_corruption_in_EVE_Online
BestSigEver :P
Goons unlesash the threadnaught ------>
After the late incident I was very well willing to move on and give the understanding that, from the business point of view, the handling of the incident, then it was finally handled, was all I could ask for as well as how it was done. Although the one thing now is, that I'll take my money somewhere else.
PS: Damage control on their official forums, huh? I'd say funny but it isn't really.
I joined the "Help" channel in EVE to see if there was any chatter regarding this and ...oh my. I suppose since the forums are now disabled the Goons began posting in the public channels. Blue, then Red mods began moderating the channel. Just now Yellow ("gluon" Vice admiral with ISD/STAR one of the leads of the player support organization) is now modding as well. They have been handing out some sort of ban to anyone whom posts the link to the Goon site or mentioning what the statement said.
I dont normally get involved in drama bombs but this is too entertaining, and yet still sad. I love EVE but if Goons post turns out to be accurate then I can no longer support CCP by renewing my sub. Tis a sad day.
OMG ROFLMAO!!!!! @ the "threadnaught"
Down with the corruption!...just leave the all powerfull isd/ccp players/employees play their game *cough* ALONE. Why does ppl have to pay 15 bucks a month to get scammed/cheated. FFS!
the forum are clear now and UP
http://myeve.eve-online.com/mb/news.asp?nid=1465
and ppl can cry here :S
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=526462
BestSigEver :P
The sad thing is that letter is completely False. There is not one truth in it.
If you believe anything a goon tells you, I have a bridge to sell you in brooklyn.
The entire game would be far better off if CCP just banned everyone in goonfleet.
I really feel sorry for some of you posters on here, you really need to get a clue what the goons are trying to do and I guarentee you it will not be favorable to you in any way.
and if is so fake why make news about that ?
and last time was "there are no dev in bob bla bla bla" and was true
atm kugu & co have 2 points
CCP 0 points
BestSigEver :P
Don't feel sorry for the posters here. If anything, this will help people to free up a lot of money and time playing EVE.
You said we need to get a clue. Give us the clue.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
But looks like lately one of the alliances start become too close to devs and this risk to ruin the game.
and if is so fake why make news about that ?
and last time was "there are no dev in bob bla bla bla" and was true
atm kugu & co have 2 points
CCP 0 points Screenshots can easily be doctored by a talented artist...these really prove nothing....
Look... it isn't hard.. you don't like what CCP and their Dev's are doing...just quit...and play LoTRO or something less stressful.....
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Maybe it will be a good ideea to findout if we can petition this things to shareholders (if there exist any).
I am sure they won;t enjoy that their $$ become air.
and if is so fake why make news about that ?
and last time was "there are no dev in bob bla bla bla" and was true
atm kugu & co have 2 points
CCP 0 points Screenshots can easily be doctored by a talented artist...these really prove nothing....
Look... it isn't hard.. you don't like what CCP and their Dev's are doing...just quit...and play LoTRO or something less stressful.....
Can the pages and pages of chat logs, screenshots, testamony, and documentation be doctored? I guess so, but its far more proof than the CCP/BoB/EVE apologists have given us. Usually, their response to the proof is a few well-placed "trust me"s, a couple, "don't trust the accusers," and a whole load of "the game's integrity means a lot." In other words, no solid defense, other than the same line I see here of, "these things can be falsified, ergo they are false." But then if they are so obviously false, then why haven't we seen any proof that these things are doctored by the CCP/BoB/EVE apologists?
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Re-occurring claims about whatever negative stuff happened or is going on right now, will hurt the company and game as a whole.
Now that is neither denial nor acknowledgement from my side in regards to the news. Yet, after this infamous other late incident, I tend to say the nay-sayers or those who say that's all made up, do not convince me easily or at all. Especially if there is no backup provided whatsoever for their claims. Being vocal doesn't serve your cause very well. Facts and actual proof does.
I was pretty tired myself of threads like the BE WARNED: EVE DEVELOPER CAUGHT CHEATING one and not only said so, but also agreed with Kyleran in this thread, on this specific topic. This doesn't mean I will just dismiss new information which are brought to light. This stuff is something totally new and it's bad either if true or not.
Edit: Typo
-- Brede
-- Brede
It would be an easy task for someone who really wants to create such drama to doctor some images. They can easily create a DX overlay program to display any text they want on the game window...Hell, NVidia has an option for this if you look hard enough
Also, if you take a print screen of the game and paste it directly into photoshop as opposed to editing the screenshot, you can edit the palette however you want. Set a new profile, open another "real" screenshot from EVE, and merge color palettes. Only lossy samples edit the RGB count.
Also check out the dimensions of the "screenshots" and the format change.
#1: 1023x768 (jpg)
#2: 1026x765 (png)
Why the change in resolution beyond the normal 1024x768. Only time EVE saves images at diff resolutions is when the mode is changed from full screen to windowed, or the window itself is moved in Windows.
But...about this entire thing, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show. No point making arrangements to leave the game over something that may or may not be true...wait for the hard facts people
the problem if u use photoshop the adobe let a code on the file aand start whit "ADOBE ...." if u edit that the file never open
4 example AZAlex86 signature
"Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows , 2007:05:12 07:22:58" the file code don't lie
edit: about the jpg/png if u go on eve option game and click the option for better resolution sshot, the option make all sshot on .png file
edit2: http://f13.net/?itemid=563
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BestSigEver :P
You can take off the encoding on any ADOBE file with ease. Download adExtract for Linux (I know there is one for windows as well but dont remember the name)
Not to mention, there are a million other graphics programs available for use
Why change jpg to png 30 minutes later?
Not saying this guy is lying, but there are numerous ways to make fake screenshots.
That's why they're generally not accepted as evidence by *anyone*
The simple fact is that someone (much more than 1 person) with insider knowledge of the game, such as where rare things are, or what changes will be happening, etc.. is involved with a player alliance.
They should not be playing at all, or should only be allowed into a special corp that is clearly marked as a dev corp, for devs only.
old stuff
BestSigEver :P
You are taking the word of the two faced whiny goons?
I dislike BoB a lot, I am not in 0.0 right now because of them. But I have a lot of experience with the goons too and they are much worse.
The goons are losing to BoB in the game, so there only recourse is to lie, cheat, steal to get their way.
This is just another goon antic which has NO basis in fact whatsoever.
I just wish CCP would bite the bullet and ban the entire goon alliance, the game would be far better off!
Note: all devs should play their game, if they don't they have no way of knowing the problems in the game. Suggesting the devs should not play Eve is just ridiculous. All that would do is give us a worse game.