I do agree that, game has little Diablo feeling and there is no other way to control that amount of enemies. BUT it doesn't mean AFK playing has to be supported. It can be easyly avoided if needed, example if You don't touch keyboard or click mouse in 10min, then the patrol mode would drop automaticly off. That way You can have benefit of AI control, but same time You can't abuse it as AFK leveling.
PvE is not main aspect? There isn't anyting else than PvE in it at the moment. You really think good PvP game is achieved by first forcing players grid 150 levels by PvE? If You make PvP game, then make it, forget hole PvE part. If You make PvE game, then make PvE, forget PvP part. We already have way too many compromised PvE+PvP games. PvE and PvP conflicts too much by they basic needs, to be good in same game.
its possible to have both what Warhammer Online is doing is a good idea. sometimes I like to PvE other times I want to PvP. they are trying to please both playstyles which is a good idea and allowing me to level through all pvp is a good option. got a good point in there that leveling through 150 lvls is nasty for a pvper true, but im thinking that can get tedious for pve'ers as well
Ok, second day behind and my characters are closing to level 20. Game has not change at all, except I'm starting to know little more.
Game is still very easy, but if enemies are too easy for You, You can go to next zone where is harder enemies. Every zone is linked to next, like zone with enemies level 1...3, next -> 4...7, next 8..11, next 12..15 and so one. Basicly new zone every 4 level.
If You are in some zone and see some other players characters dead, there is no point to go help, because it has about 80% change that player is AFK. I tryed to keep area clean where players where dead, but they did not response in anyway, but it's very easy to understand.
Character under level 50 gets automaticly resurected the place where they die. Of cause it they are in middle of enemy spawn area, they die again pretty fast.
Power leveling You own character is very easy in this game. You just take You highest character and go to zone where it can survey it self fine, wihout You controlling. Then just leave it to auto attacking there, You other characters in same team will level really fast, even from level 1.
If You feel like You gonna need sleep. Just go sleep and leave game open, it works fine. Check morning how many levels You got.
mm.. still trying to find reason why to play game where game is doing it all for You, even the playing the game.
To bad you can't check up on all the loot your missing out on. I like picking up all the drops from afk'ers. Easy money for me.
Originally posted by SpeedMann To bad you can't check up on all the loot your missing out on. I like picking up all the drops from afk'ers. Easy money for me.
Sorry, I did not express my self right.
I do play the game most the time and collect loots. So I don't miss the loot. I just don't play, when I'm sleeping, because that time game will play it self (I leaved the patrol mode). Like I allready sayed, I don't see any point in afk leveling. Just testing is it possible in this game. Also noticed that many players are afk. Like standing in one spot and using range attacks. What means that allmost no-one talks in this game or team up. After soloing almost 24 hour, my chat box have 6 lines:
Person A :wrong person
Person A :sry
Person B :ok
Person B :i need to go to town
Person B :good luck
Person C :hihi
Basicly I go to next zone when I'm same level than the zone. Like zone 24+, I go there when I reach lvl 24. Now it just seem to take long time to get next levels. It was pretty fast and easy under lvl 20. Wonders how slow it will be at lvl 100
It actually not that slow if you are leveling with thought. Doing things like specing your weapons helps alot. Usually any stun weapon can stun lock monsters. Also stat points are huge in this game. +1 to strength can increase damage more then 10%. So getting a weapon with +1 stat bonus will make you a powerhouse. I recommend not buying any equipment from NPC and buy from stall vendors, then go to a place much harder. Sometimes in Closed Beta I would go to an area 10 levels higher and would survive. Also you don't always have to use 3 characters, using 1 character nets alot more exp.
Most customization items are going to be bought from premium shop. Kinda sucks for those guys wanting everything free, but having little customization then allow people to buy customization is actually a sneaky way to earn money but very smart.
I hate to deflate your bubble, but Sword of the New World is run by K2. If you know anything about K2 you will never ever touch that game. If you really want to try this game, do the Sinapore version Granado Espada.
Really? So what exactly is K2 network doing wrong? Keep in mind that I'm not interested in your experience with their others games, I'm interested in what they are doing wrong with Sword of the New World.
It actually not that slow if you are leveling with thought. Doing things like specing your weapons helps alot. Usually any stun weapon can stun lock monsters. Also stat points are huge in this game. +1 to strength can increase damage more then 10%. So getting a weapon with +1 stat bonus will make you a powerhouse. I recommend not buying any equipment from NPC and buy from stall vendors, then go to a place much harder. Sometimes in Closed Beta I would go to an area 10 levels higher and would survive. Also you don't always have to use 3 characters, using 1 character nets alot more exp.
Most customization items are going to be bought from premium shop. Kinda sucks for those guys wanting everything free, but having little customization then allow people to buy customization is actually a sneaky way to earn money but very smart.
I agree that learning how to use the items and even those weapons special skills, does help a lot.
I disagree that selling game stuff in shops with real money is smart. Reason, most the players doesn't want to buy stuff that way, they would rather pay monthly fee. There has been poll about it and result was pretty clear. So, smart would be allow player to have choise, pay montly fee and get all stuff with it or buy stuff from shops with real money without montly game cost. This would give all what they want.
Originally posted by CleffyII
Granado Espada is the greatest mmo ever made to date.
It's very nice free game, but it's not even close to be the greatest.
Game has major problem with griding and AFK leveling. Because having fun, player needs to play the game. Hard leveling and this AFK patrol system, takes a lot of fun out of this game and forcing players to become passive players, just for leveling. This doesn't hurt just the one player but the game community too, because if 50% players are afk, there is this big silence all the time in the game. Also helping other players lose it's point, because no point to help someone, who isn't even there.
Also the character customation and development, is still in baby step stage.
Example in City of Heroes, You customise You body type and look, face, hairs, body size, boob size, ear type, tails, wings, skin type, eye make up and all of the colors for all of these. You have also a lot of different looking cloths; hats, boots, skirts, jackets, pants, armours, skirts, belts, glasses, tresscout, cloaks and many small details, You can also choose colors for them all. Then You have about 6 different professions with multible power sets to chooses, like 36-64 set in every profession. Every power set then also have multible different induvidual powers to choose and You can even adjust some elements of even induvidual power. So there is like millions of choises and You harly ever find in game two same kind of character.
Of cause City of Heroes has one of the best character development and customized system.
Originally posted by jimmyman99
WoW seems like ultra intelligent game if compared to Granado Espada. I think 95% of development time went into developing graphics engine.
I don't think that's fair. There is nice game in Granado Espada too, but maybe it's not that well design, but still pretty good try. They just need to change and fix a few small stuff and game could be great.
Originally posted by vaizard
This game has the worst camera control ever. I cry ever time I use it
It's hard first, but You get use to it. I have seen worst than this. It was little shock that zooming works wrong way in the mouse.
I am pretty sure the community on this site isn't a true representation of the MMO community mmosite probably is better. Most people here are western game p2p crowd who hates gold selling and wants everyone to experience the same thing they experience. As a result people from this sight are more critical of any game utilizing an item mall.
I know you guys consider having no customization choices during character creation is OMFG no customization; but it actually isn't. 1st this game utilizes costumes over customization. Instead of choosing some hair during character creation and face parameters, then get stuck with it. You have to option to change your hair or other appearances on the fly. Only other games that off this are Vanguard and 9dragons. One strong point about costumes is that you also don't have to stick to the appearance of your armor. Like the annoying mismatching gaudy purple gauntlets ontop of relatively realistically colors. Also you can use the costume items on more then just 1 character; so character creation actually becomes another part of the games collection system.
When your looking any cash shop game, the obvious choice is to fill the cash shop with customization items. This doesn't imbalance the game with overpowered items, and you know it will have alot more options for customizations in another year since its the main profit revenue. I think the reason K2 decided to make it p2p with cash shop is really to legitimize the title. Many western titles that are f2p don't really feel legitimate. Also only a major hickup of revenue at the beginning from the cash shop, having it part p2p offers long-term revenue. The only other long-term solution to f2p cash shop is to make the majority of your content available through the cash shop.
I think you are really looking at ways to not enjoy the game. No one is forcing you away from the computer and putting your character in patrol mode. You don't have to AFK level if you don't want to. Really its game features should offer a dynamic gameplay for fans of Diablo or RTS. If you play this game you should really try to enjoy its combat system instead of letting the computer do it for you. Also you will be alot better end-game when its primarily faction fighting and territory gain where you need to control your characters individually to thier maximum capacity. You won't learn to do that by AFK leveling.
All I know is I had better not see anyone MMO ever have it where you can kill Sea Otters. I would rally my army of Sea Otters and not one Dev from that game would have a bathtub free of otters floating in it.
However I think I will try this game and see if it is good. It does not have any viruses or stuff like Rappelz does it?
Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!
I think you are really looking at ways to not enjoy the game. No one is forcing you away from the computer and putting your character in patrol mode. You don't have to AFK level if you don't want to. Really its game features should offer a dynamic gameplay for fans of Diablo or RTS. If you play this game you should really try to enjoy its combat system instead of letting the computer do it for you. Also you will be alot better end-game when its primarily faction fighting and territory gain where you need to control your characters individually to thier maximum capacity. You won't learn to do that by AFK leveling.
I do agree, that people should enjoy the combat system.
Actually I don't AFK play, I just tryed it to see, if it's possible.
Example Yesterday I played a lot, so that I swich between patrol more, looting mode and gather to around leader, but I pretty much used all the time my characters special combat actions manually. Did I enjoy the combat, yes, it was fun. After long game session I did logout and did not leave my characters in afk mode. So what's the problem?
There is two problem in this game.
1. Allowing afk playing, what does cause many problems inside the game (community).
2. Not enough options to do something else than feel tedious griding in combat.
After doing combat for 8 hour strait in same zone, because can't go other zones before I'm stronger enough (levels), it feel tedious griding and like I'm not going to anywhere. So I did some quest to break that monotonous fighting. What's my other options?
Part of many MMOG's fun is not just about the combat action, but been with other players, talk to them or do something with them and so on. Customate and development You characters and getting better equiments and so on. This game has too much afk playing, but it's not me that is afk, many others play it too, but I think 50% of player base is afk inside the game.
It's not that I'm looking not to enjoy, but be honest, do You like to do same thing over and over in every day to just get one level more? Maybe it's just me after over 10 Year of MMOG's playing, I want more from game that just doing one thing over and over. Just because I say something negative about this game, I do also say postive stuff too, doesn't mean I hate the game or it's bad game. I say them because that's how I feel the game. I'm not gonna walk in any game with my eyes blinded and pretend that those negative point doesn't exist. Sometimes negative stuff are just minor and annoy You, You can ignore them, but sometimes they affect hole game community inside the game and then it's bad. Saying You should not afk play, is wrong. You should say, it's not allowed or supported, because there is not even one reason to support game play, where player doens't even have to be there and play, is it?
Originally posted by jimmyman99 WoW seems like ultra intelligent game if compared to Granado Espada. I think 95% of development time went into developing graphics engine.
I don't think that's fair. There is nice game in Granado Espada too, but maybe it's not that well design, but still pretty good try. They just need to change and fix a few small stuff and game could be great.
Exactly what I meant (judging from your follow up posts, you agree as well) there is a nice feel to GE (nice graphics, fluid combat), but once u spend several hours/days in it, there isnt really much else to do there. MMOs biggest advantages over other genres (IMO) are community and immersion. Community is how one player interacts with other players: form groups, raids, guilds. Immersion is a much wider issue: it includes quests, trade skills, PvP, housing, character customization and many other things. This is where GE is lacking.
GE seems to follow (in general) the asian MMO model - fast action but limited alternatives. In human terms - lots of painful grinding with single goal - leveling your toon. I don't doubt that this may work for some, hence I never said it was a bad game per say, just that it does not provide enough alternatives for various styles of play. I could never understand how someone could spend countless hours doing the same thing, following the same routine hour after hour. I cant do that even if im getting paid to do it. But that could be just me, I suppose.
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its possible to have both what Warhammer Online is doing is a good idea. sometimes I like to PvE other times I want to PvP. they are trying to please both playstyles which is a good idea and allowing me to level through all pvp is a good option. got a good point in there that leveling through 150 lvls is nasty for a pvper true, but im thinking that can get tedious for pve'ers as well
To bad you can't check up on all the loot your missing out on. I like picking up all the drops from afk'ers. Easy money for me.
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I do play the game most the time and collect loots. So I don't miss the loot. I just don't play, when I'm sleeping, because that time game will play it self (I leaved the patrol mode). Like I allready sayed, I don't see any point in afk leveling. Just testing is it possible in this game. Also noticed that many players are afk. Like standing in one spot and using range attacks. What means that allmost no-one talks in this game or team up. After soloing almost 24 hour, my chat box have 6 lines:
Person A :wrong person
Person A :sry
Person B :ok
Person B :i need to go to town
Person B :good luck
Person C :hihi
Basicly I go to next zone when I'm same level than the zone. Like zone 24+, I go there when I reach lvl 24. Now it just seem to take long time to get next levels. It was pretty fast and easy under lvl 20. Wonders how slow it will be at lvl 100
MMORPG.COM has worst forum editor ever exists
I hate to deflate your bubble, but Sword of the New World is run by K2. If you know anything about K2 you will never ever touch that game.
If you really want to try this game, do the Sinapore version Granado Espada.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
It actually not that slow if you are leveling with thought. Doing things like specing your weapons helps alot. Usually any stun weapon can stun lock monsters. Also stat points are huge in this game. +1 to strength can increase damage more then 10%. So getting a weapon with +1 stat bonus will make you a powerhouse. I recommend not buying any equipment from NPC and buy from stall vendors, then go to a place much harder. Sometimes in Closed Beta I would go to an area 10 levels higher and would survive. Also you don't always have to use 3 characters, using 1 character nets alot more exp.
Most customization items are going to be bought from premium shop. Kinda sucks for those guys wanting everything free, but having little customization then allow people to buy customization is actually a sneaky way to earn money but very smart.
I agree that learning how to use the items and even those weapons special skills, does help a lot.
I disagree that selling game stuff in shops with real money is smart. Reason, most the players doesn't want to buy stuff that way, they would rather pay monthly fee. There has been poll about it and result was pretty clear. So, smart would be allow player to have choise, pay montly fee and get all stuff with it or buy stuff from shops with real money without montly game cost. This would give all what they want.
It's very nice free game, but it's not even close to be the greatest.
Game has major problem with griding and AFK leveling. Because having fun, player needs to play the game. Hard leveling and this AFK patrol system, takes a lot of fun out of this game and forcing players to become passive players, just for leveling. This doesn't hurt just the one player but the game community too, because if 50% players are afk, there is this big silence all the time in the game. Also helping other players lose it's point, because no point to help someone, who isn't even there.
Also the character customation and development, is still in baby step stage.
Example in City of Heroes, You customise You body type and look, face, hairs, body size, boob size, ear type, tails, wings, skin type, eye make up and all of the colors for all of these. You have also a lot of different looking cloths; hats, boots, skirts, jackets, pants, armours, skirts, belts, glasses, tresscout, cloaks and many small details, You can also choose colors for them all. Then You have about 6 different professions with multible power sets to chooses, like 36-64 set in every profession. Every power set then also have multible different induvidual powers to choose and You can even adjust some elements of even induvidual power. So there is like millions of choises and You harly ever find in game two same kind of character.
Of cause City of Heroes has one of the best character development and customized system.
I don't think that's fair. There is nice game in Granado Espada too, but maybe it's not that well design, but still pretty good try. They just need to change and fix a few small stuff and game could be great. It's hard first, but You get use to it. I have seen worst than this. It was little shock that zooming works wrong way in the mouse.MMORPG.COM has worst forum editor ever exists
I am pretty sure the community on this site isn't a true representation of the MMO community mmosite probably is better. Most people here are western game p2p crowd who hates gold selling and wants everyone to experience the same thing they experience. As a result people from this sight are more critical of any game utilizing an item mall.
I know you guys consider having no customization choices during character creation is OMFG no customization; but it actually isn't. 1st this game utilizes costumes over customization. Instead of choosing some hair during character creation and face parameters, then get stuck with it. You have to option to change your hair or other appearances on the fly. Only other games that off this are Vanguard and 9dragons. One strong point about costumes is that you also don't have to stick to the appearance of your armor. Like the annoying mismatching gaudy purple gauntlets ontop of relatively realistically colors. Also you can use the costume items on more then just 1 character; so character creation actually becomes another part of the games collection system.
When your looking any cash shop game, the obvious choice is to fill the cash shop with customization items. This doesn't imbalance the game with overpowered items, and you know it will have alot more options for customizations in another year since its the main profit revenue. I think the reason K2 decided to make it p2p with cash shop is really to legitimize the title. Many western titles that are f2p don't really feel legitimate. Also only a major hickup of revenue at the beginning from the cash shop, having it part p2p offers long-term revenue. The only other long-term solution to f2p cash shop is to make the majority of your content available through the cash shop.
I think you are really looking at ways to not enjoy the game. No one is forcing you away from the computer and putting your character in patrol mode. You don't have to AFK level if you don't want to. Really its game features should offer a dynamic gameplay for fans of Diablo or RTS. If you play this game you should really try to enjoy its combat system instead of letting the computer do it for you. Also you will be alot better end-game when its primarily faction fighting and territory gain where you need to control your characters individually to thier maximum capacity. You won't learn to do that by AFK leveling.
However I think I will try this game and see if it is good. It does not have any viruses or stuff like Rappelz does it?
Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!
Actually I don't AFK play, I just tryed it to see, if it's possible.
Example Yesterday I played a lot, so that I swich between patrol more, looting mode and gather to around leader, but I pretty much used all the time my characters special combat actions manually. Did I enjoy the combat, yes, it was fun. After long game session I did logout and did not leave my characters in afk mode. So what's the problem?
There is two problem in this game.
1. Allowing afk playing, what does cause many problems inside the game (community).
2. Not enough options to do something else than feel tedious griding in combat.
After doing combat for 8 hour strait in same zone, because can't go other zones before I'm stronger enough (levels), it feel tedious griding and like I'm not going to anywhere. So I did some quest to break that monotonous fighting. What's my other options?
Part of many MMOG's fun is not just about the combat action, but been with other players, talk to them or do something with them and so on. Customate and development You characters and getting better equiments and so on. This game has too much afk playing, but it's not me that is afk, many others play it too, but I think 50% of player base is afk inside the game.
It's not that I'm looking not to enjoy, but be honest, do You like to do same thing over and over in every day to just get one level more? Maybe it's just me after over 10 Year of MMOG's playing, I want more from game that just doing one thing over and over. Just because I say something negative about this game, I do also say postive stuff too, doesn't mean I hate the game or it's bad game. I say them because that's how I feel the game. I'm not gonna walk in any game with my eyes blinded and pretend that those negative point doesn't exist. Sometimes negative stuff are just minor and annoy You, You can ignore them, but sometimes they affect hole game community inside the game and then it's bad. Saying You should not afk play, is wrong. You should say, it's not allowed or supported, because there is not even one reason to support game play, where player doens't even have to be there and play, is it?
MMORPG.COM has worst forum editor ever exists
yess i agree AFK mode is sux
but if u know
u using AFK mode in dungeon = DIE
Exactly what I meant (judging from your follow up posts, you agree as well) there is a nice feel to GE (nice graphics, fluid combat), but once u spend several hours/days in it, there isnt really much else to do there. MMOs biggest advantages over other genres (IMO) are community and immersion. Community is how one player interacts with other players: form groups, raids, guilds. Immersion is a much wider issue: it includes quests, trade skills, PvP, housing, character customization and many other things. This is where GE is lacking.GE seems to follow (in general) the asian MMO model - fast action but limited alternatives. In human terms - lots of painful grinding with single goal - leveling your toon. I don't doubt that this may work for some, hence I never said it was a bad game per say, just that it does not provide enough alternatives for various styles of play. I could never understand how someone could spend countless hours doing the same thing, following the same routine hour after hour. I cant do that even if im getting paid to do it. But that could be just me, I suppose.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.