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The American Empire in 100 years?
nexus42
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I'm curious as to the opinions that might be had on this subject; in a century , how will the American empire stand? Personally, I think we are about to enter a decline. We're too factious a group and have lost our cultural homogeny.
I think that in a century our current centralized Federal system will have been overthrown. We'll have more of an Articles of Confederation type structure; a loose collection of states who share trade and self-defense treaties.
I think it's quite possible that blocks of states will primarily consist of one racial demographic almost exlusively (i.e., TX, AZ, NM and CA will be hispanic, the NE mainly caucasian, etc.).
Of course a cetralized government won't go down without a fight, so we'll see some very brief civil war, but not too long as most of the troops will have come from the poor sector and will refuse to engage those of similar backgrounds.
With the USA no longer united, our position on the world stage becomes far less influential; perhaps on par with that of Britain or France today.
But hey, I know what I think. What do you think the future holds?
I think that in a century our current centralized Federal system will have been overthrown. We'll have more of an Articles of Confederation type structure; a loose collection of states who share trade and self-defense treaties.
I think it's quite possible that blocks of states will primarily consist of one racial demographic almost exlusively (i.e., TX, AZ, NM and CA will be hispanic, the NE mainly caucasian, etc.).
Of course a cetralized government won't go down without a fight, so we'll see some very brief civil war, but not too long as most of the troops will have come from the poor sector and will refuse to engage those of similar backgrounds.
With the USA no longer united, our position on the world stage becomes far less influential; perhaps on par with that of Britain or France today.
But hey, I know what I think. What do you think the future holds?
...Pika
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What is more dangerous to this countries survival is the rise of the federal government in power. Then you have no chance of anything changing to suit our needs because we have no means of expression. What scares me right now is how willingly people are to give up those freedoms for "security". I try to stay away from overly conspiratorial theories, but when you look at the events that have happened I can see how some peoples imaginations would lead them in those directions. It seems almost too perfect of a plan. Scare the hell out of people, tell them you can protect them in their time of fear, and you can horde all the power to a few people.
I hope that I'm wrong, but when you look at history it has been repeated many times. Look at Rome and what destroyed it. There was a power grab at the top and eventually this led to the execution of any of the tribunes who fought the Senate. And all the while the people of Rome feared the aristocracy to the point of inaction. It's one of the reasons that the founding fathers told us it's our responsibility to maintain control of our country. Our country does not belong to a few people with a lot of money, it belongs to all of us. And even the most poorest of persons in our country is intended to have as much power as the richest. His vote counts as one, just as the rich mans does. And representatives are to consider, under their oath, the rights of the minority as much as the majority or they have failed in their duty.
But when we start neglecting that responsibility and feeling as though we are not important or we don't have any responsibility to our nation that's the beginning of the end. And when we give up our power to the federal government, you have made a pact with the devil. Government is staffed by some of the most corruptible of men.
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Personally I dream of the day China ascends to that position, not because I like China, but because I like the United States. It will be a profound wake up call, better than any of the warnings I've tried to pass along in my small part for the last few years. I don't like my country when it gets fat, I like it when it's lean and hungry. It will be a Renaissance of sorts.
At least that is my hope.
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usa is #1 at what right now exactly? bombing arabs? the government of the United States of America is the worlds largest debtor, if thats what you mean.
As to our debt, it is something that can be overcome with moderate effort and a more balanced economic approach. The world doesn't back up deficits on the gold standard anymore, we back it up through labor and industry.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
In 100 years, Federal or State power holds sway?
...Pika
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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As to the OP, the AoC never worked before and won't anytime soon, you ever try to get anything done when others have their own interests involved? Any why do you think that Hispanics have ANYTHING to do with the downfall of America? Have you been listening to too much talk radio or something and actually think that this is an actual issue at all? I've lived in Texas and California all my life and have never ONCE had a problem at all with the Hispanic, or any culture at all. I love it when people,especially Republicans, bring up the illegal immigrant issue. They all seem to suddenly forget that Regan gave them ALL amnesty in the 80s and nothing seemed to come of it in a negative sense. In my experience, only white politicians or idiots seem to think that this poses any kind of threat.
You want to know what I think is scary? Media. Not that it's biased either Left or Right, but that it is slowly becoming conglomerated. One vast entity under the control of a small group who don't control what we think, but what we think about. One example of this is the recent events of the Virginia Tech incident. For days we were bombarded with images of this horrible event and even more images of the shooter. That's it, nothing else was shown at all. Things like this were not reported. Then the entire affair with that fool Imus. I don't care what he says or did, it did not warrant so much attention that it detracted us from an entire world.
I think we lose this idea and image of Nationalism and just do it ala Isaac Asimov style and split this world into geographic regions and eventually worldwide globalism.
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you guys obviously dont understand the national debt. yeah we owe alot of countries alot of money, and contrary to your opinions..they will come knocking. but more importantly, the lions share of it is borrowed, unwittingly, from americans. people like you and me, bonds, s.s, and that sort. the economy is in the worst shape its ever been. money is just produced with nothing backing it up. and we have no manufacturing anymore so not sure why anyone would think that would save us.
The US could be self sufficient if we wanted to. We can produce enough of everything we need with no real need for other countries (yes even including oil). They drafted up many years ago the plan to deplete everyone else's Oil before tapping the oil in the US so we would be the only country left with Oil. We can produce enough food to feed most of the world, so we are fine there as well. Given the right political leader and government we could completely sever ties with everyone outside of the NA continent and not be affected in the long run. Pretty much no other country can say that.
I personally believe that yes China will become the dominant super power. And let them. they need it since they have to import all of their Oil and tons of other supplies to survive. Why should we police the rest of the world when we have no real need to do it.
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POWER STRUCTURE
* totally changed as a result of immigration
One party system will evolve, most-likely Democratic as illegal immigrants have children and 3 to 1 choose Democratic party.
The white male (Christian/Catholic) power construct will dissolve to a certain extent. Remember: Mexico is nominally (in name only) a Catholic country. It will become more popular and acceptable to bash white males who are also a Christian.
LANGUAGE
Bilingual: Spanish and English
SOCIETY
Race
30% Hispanic
35% European-white
20% Black (or "african" or some other hyphen american)
15% Other
Class
20% Wealth
60% Poor (including the "working-poor")
20% Middle-class (this group in constant struggle to remain middle-class due to the taxes on them to support the poor)
Whether the above is a heaven or hell depends on your perspective.
you don't really believe that crap do you?
where exactly are these hidden billions of barrels worth of reserves? i think you have listened to too many of grampaps stories. u.s has less oil reserves than nigeria, and about 1/13th of what the saudis do.
unless they are counting on the oil 'shale' out west, which every attempt to recover usable oil from it has completely failed economically and costs as much energy to recover than it produces. and that couldn't have been part of the grand scheme you speak of because they cant process it today let alone many years ago when this plan was supposedly drawn up.
As to our debt, it is something that can be overcome with moderate effort and a more balanced economic approach. The world doesn't back up deficits on the gold standard anymore, we back it up through labor and industry. America must stop bragging that it's the greatest country on earth and start acting like it. Now, I know this is uncomfortable for the faith-over-facts crowd, but the greatness of a country can, to a large degree, be measured. Here are some numbers: Infant mortality rate, America ranks 48th in the world; overall health, 72nd; freedom of the press, 44; literacy, 55th. Do you realize there are 12-year-old kids in this country who can't spell the name of the teacher they're having sex with?
Now, America, I will admit, has done many great things: making the New World democratic comes to mind, the Marshall Plan, curing polio, beating Hitler, the deep-fried Twinkie. But what have we done for us lately? We're not the freest country. That would be Holland, where you can smoke hash in church, and Janet Jackson's nipple is on their flag.
And, sadly, we're no longer a country that can get things done, either. Not big things, like building a tunnel under Boston or running a war with competence. We had six years to fix the voting machines. Couldn't get that done. The FBI is just now getting email!
Prop 87 out here in California was about lessening our dependence on oil by using alternative fuels, and Bill Clinton comes on at the end of the ad and says, "If Brazil can do it, America can, too." Excuse me, since when did America have to buck itself up by saying we could catch up to Brazil?! We invented the airplane and the lightbulb. They invented the bikini wax, and now they're ahead?!
In most of the industrialized world, nearly everyone has health care. And hardly anyone doubts evolution. And, yes, having to live amid so many superstitious dimwits is also something that affects quality of life. It's why America isn't going to be the country that gets the inevitable patents in stem cell cures, because Jesus thinks it's too close to cloning!
Oh, and did I mention we owe China a trillion dollars? We owe everybody money. America is a debtor nation to Mexico! We're not on a bridge to the 21st century. We're on a bus to Atlantic City with a roll of quarters.
And this is why it bugs me that so many people talk like it's 1955 and we're still number one in everything. We're not. And I take no glee in saying this, because I love my country, and I wish we were. But when you're number 55 in this category and number 92 in that one, you look a little silly waving the big foam "Number One" finger.
As long as we believe being the greatest country in the world is a birthright, we'll keep coasting on the achievements of earlier generations and we'll keep losing the moral high ground. Because we may not be the biggest or the healthiest or the best educated. But we always did have one thing no other place did. We knew soccer was bullshit.
And...and we also had a little thing called the Bill of Rights. A great nation doesn't torture people or make them disappear without a trial. Bush keeps saying the terrorists hate us for our freedom. And he's working damn hard to see that pretty soon that won't be a problem.
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the us can't be self sufficient because of plain trading logic ever heard of the law of David Ricardo. through trade a country can increase his wealth.
Nationalism is dieing and in the future people will pledge thier alegance to thier employer, not thier government.
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