I've thought about all that stuff. The thought that Jesus was just an accomplished allusionist, the thought that he didn't actually perform any of the miracles described in the Bible...and it leaves me with the question...why? Why would someone live a life of poverty, pretending to heal people, pretending to do all of the things that he did, simply to be put to death? One would think that if he wanted to trick people, he would have tried to make a buck out of it...
Well, Jesus did get his point across. I mean when they crucified people realize that he was actually serious about his beliefs. I'm pretty sure Al Gore believes wit hall his heart that Global Warming is a fact and right now I think. Yea he probably is using lies and half-truths to get his point across, but he's getting his point across. Not to you and and few others abviously, but to the mass population who either agree or don't know enough to disagree. I think Jesus also believed with all his heart that he was God and he was just trying to get the point across that he was here to save our souls. Now you'll probably disagree with this, but I think both of them are just trying to get their point across and they don't care about earning money. Also in Al Gore's he had an opportunity to get his point to a mass audience and make a nice buck off of it. Who wouldn't do that? I mean if you had an opportunity to make a movie called King Drae you'd probably do it wouldn't you.
I've thought about all that stuff. The thought that Jesus was just an accomplished allusionist, the thought that he didn't actually perform any of the miracles described in the Bible...and it leaves me with the question...why? Why would someone live a life of poverty, pretending to heal people, pretending to do all of the things that he did, simply to be put to death? One would think that if he wanted to trick people, he would have tried to make a buck out of it...
Well, Jesus did get his point across. I mean when they crucified people realize that he was actually serious about his beliefs. I'm pretty sure Al Gore believes wit hall his heart that Global Warming is a fact and right now I think. Yea he probably is using lies and half-truths to get his point across, but he's getting his point across. Not to you and and few others abviously, but to the mass population who either agree or don't know enough to disagree. I think Jesus also believed with all his heart that he was God and he was just trying to get the point across that he was here to save our souls. Now you'll probably disagree with this, but I think both of them are just trying to get their point across and they don't care about earning money. Also in Al Gore's he had an opportunity to get his point to a mass audience and make a nice buck off of it. Who wouldn't do that? I mean if you had an opportunity to make a movie called King Drae you'd probably do it wouldn't you.
If they were going to crucify me a few days before it was released I wouldn't.....Jesus said all along that he was going to be giving up his life. Humans are simply too selfish to live the way Jesus did...To go through your life, living in poverty, doing nothing but helping people and teaching the word of God, all the while KNOWING that you will be put to death...and to gain NOTHING for it but his own death...that's not something a man would do. What compelled him? Compassion? Sorry, but nobody is that compassionate. I highly doubt that Al Gore would be willing to put his life on the line for his Global Warming cause, hell, the guy can't even manage to bring his utility bills down to half of what normal Americans pay, at least Jesus practiced what he preached, whether or not you believe he was the son of God.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I've thought about all that stuff. The thought that Jesus was just an accomplished allusionist, the thought that he didn't actually perform any of the miracles described in the Bible...and it leaves me with the question...why? Why would someone live a life of poverty, pretending to heal people, pretending to do all of the things that he did, simply to be put to death? One would think that if he wanted to trick people, he would have tried to make a buck out of it...
Well, Jesus did get his point across. I mean when they crucified people realize that he was actually serious about his beliefs. I'm pretty sure Al Gore believes wit hall his heart that Global Warming is a fact and right now I think. Yea he probably is using lies and half-truths to get his point across, but he's getting his point across. Not to you and and few others abviously, but to the mass population who either agree or don't know enough to disagree. I think Jesus also believed with all his heart that he was God and he was just trying to get the point across that he was here to save our souls. Now you'll probably disagree with this, but I think both of them are just trying to get their point across and they don't care about earning money. Also in Al Gore's he had an opportunity to get his point to a mass audience and make a nice buck off of it. Who wouldn't do that? I mean if you had an opportunity to make a movie called King Drae you'd probably do it wouldn't you.
If they were going to crucify me a few days before it was released I wouldn't.....Jesus said all along that he was going to be giving up his life. Humans are simply too selfish to live the way Jesus did...To go through your life, living in poverty, doing nothing but helping people and teaching the word of God, all the while KNOWING that you will be put to death...and to gain NOTHING for it but his own death...that's not something a man would do. What compelled him? Compassion? Sorry, but nobody is that compassionate. I highly doubt that Al Gore would be willing to put his life on the line for his Global Warming cause, hell, the guy can't even manage to bring his utility bills down to half of what normal Americans pay, at least Jesus practiced what he preached, whether or not you believe he was the son of God.
I see the analogy that he is trying to get across here. And it is valid
You pray to a god without any prood, by definition of faith, to make your afterlife better (not the only reason, not even the most important, but definately one of them
Having the faith to slightly change the way you live (without this ridiculous argument of going back to the caves) for a better afterlife is precisely what Al Gore is trying to say I personally hate the man and his beliefes, but even if you didnt believe in Jesus Christ, do you think that would stop you from being a good bloke, is your belief in Jesus Christ the only moral grounding you have ?
Of Course not
This is where we use the analogy. Even if it does require faith to try and make the world a better place, why not try it ?
Why not make a few changes ?
What are you scared of ?
You can do all of Al Gores things without giving him one cent (dime) of your money, without giving him one minute of your time, and without loosing all of your comforts.
As i hear a lot of Christians say "W.W.J.D."
What would he do in this situation ?
Do you honestly think he would sit there and say "Screw Al Gore" ?
Or do you think he might say "Forget Al Gore, focus on the benefit of humanity"
Faithful or not, attempting to help the world is beneficial to its inhabitants, as i said earlier, Why do people clean there room/homes/car/boat/trailer/yard/street but not their country ?
But above all, i think you should be asking yourself.....
What WOULD Jesus Do ?
Im sorry, but when i ask my self that question, i dont see Jesus giving the reaction that you have.
You act as though Jesus never got angry with anyone, or lashed out at those who did wrong. There's nothing wrong with pointing at a hypocrite and calling them a hypocrite, or telling others to ignore what they say...besides, what you're getting into is entirely different from comparing Jesus to Al Gore, you're going more into the "ooh you shouldn't have said that because jesus wouldn't have done it" bit...which is fine, but it's not what Chocize was trying to get across with his comparison.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I've thought about all that stuff. The thought that Jesus was just an accomplished allusionist, the thought that he didn't actually perform any of the miracles described in the Bible...and it leaves me with the question...why? Why would someone live a life of poverty, pretending to heal people, pretending to do all of the things that he did, simply to be put to death? One would think that if he wanted to trick people, he would have tried to make a buck out of it...
Well, Jesus did get his point across. I mean when they crucified people realize that he was actually serious about his beliefs. I'm pretty sure Al Gore believes wit hall his heart that Global Warming is a fact and right now I think. Yea he probably is using lies and half-truths to get his point across, but he's getting his point across. Not to you and and few others abviously, but to the mass population who either agree or don't know enough to disagree. I think Jesus also believed with all his heart that he was God and he was just trying to get the point across that he was here to save our souls. Now you'll probably disagree with this, but I think both of them are just trying to get their point across and they don't care about earning money. Also in Al Gore's he had an opportunity to get his point to a mass audience and make a nice buck off of it. Who wouldn't do that? I mean if you had an opportunity to make a movie called King Drae you'd probably do it wouldn't you.
If they were going to crucify me a few days before it was released I wouldn't.....Jesus said all along that he was going to be giving up his life. Humans are simply too selfish to live the way Jesus did...To go through your life, living in poverty, doing nothing but helping people and teaching the word of God, all the while KNOWING that you will be put to death...and to gain NOTHING for it but his own death...that's not something a man would do. What compelled him? Compassion? Sorry, but nobody is that compassionate. I highly doubt that Al Gore would be willing to put his life on the line for his Global Warming cause, hell, the guy can't even manage to bring his utility bills down to half of what normal Americans pay, at least Jesus practiced what he preached, whether or not you believe he was the son of God.
I see the analogy that he is trying to get across here. And it is valid
You pray to a god without any prood, by definition of faith, to make your afterlife better (not the only reason, not even the most important, but definately one of them
Having the faith to slightly change the way you live (without this ridiculous argument of going back to the caves) for a better afterlife is precisely what Al Gore is trying to say I personally hate the man and his beliefes, but even if you didnt believe in Jesus Christ, do you think that would stop you from being a good bloke, is your belief in Jesus Christ the only moral grounding you have ?
Of Course not
This is where we use the analogy. Even if it does require faith to try and make the world a better place, why not try it ?
Why not make a few changes ?
What are you scared of ?
You can do all of Al Gores things without giving him one cent (dime) of your money, without giving him one minute of your time, and without loosing all of your comforts.
As i hear a lot of Christians say "W.W.J.D."
What would he do in this situation ?
Do you honestly think he would sit there and say "Screw Al Gore" ?
Or do you think he might say "Forget Al Gore, focus on the benefit of humanity"
Faithful or not, attempting to help the world is beneficial to its inhabitants, as i said earlier, Why do people clean there room/homes/car/boat/trailer/yard/street but not their country ?
But above all, i think you should be asking yourself.....
What WOULD Jesus Do ?
Im sorry, but when i ask my self that question, i dont see Jesus giving the reaction that you have.
You act as though Jesus never got angry with anyone, or lashed out at those who did wrong. There's nothing wrong with pointing at a hypocrite and calling them a hypocrite, or telling others to ignore what they say...besides, what you're getting into is entirely different from comparing Jesus to Al Gore, you're going more into the "ooh you shouldn't have said that because jesus wouldn't have done it" bit...which is fine, but it's not what Chocize was trying to get across with his comparison.
As an example, the impression i got was that he wasnt upset with the money changers themselves, he was upset at the fact that money was being changed in the house of God.
The way i understand Christianity, if those money changers took there money out of the House of God, and went back in and prayed to God for their Sins to be forgiven, then they would have
I believe Christians get this point across by say "Hate the sin, not the sinner"
So the only valid way, IMHO, to 'point the finger' is to not point the finger at what he hasnt done, but to point the finger at whay you have done. The worst thing i ever remember him saying to someone personally was "Why do you betray your Lord with a kiss"
The problem with pointing out anyones flaws, is that you better make sure your flawless yourself.
"Let those who are without sin cast the first stone"
One does not need to be flawless in order to recognize a flaw in another...if that were the case then nobody would be able to provide any sort of constructive criticism to anyone else, because we would all be striving for unattainable perfection. "Let those who are without sin case the first stone" refers to judging the woman in a way that only God may judge. The reason that Jesus said that was because the people had judged the woman in a way that only God can judge people. When one points to Al Gore and calls him a hypocrite, it is hardly the same as stoning a woman. The whole purpose of that passage is to get people to recognize that pulling others up and telling them why they are wrong is better than to simply tell them that they are wrong. In the case of Al Gore, I doubt that he reads this forum. Once again Nasica, it's all about the context of what you pull out of the Bible.
If I were to sit on this forum and tell you that I was free of sin, I would be a liar. BUT...Al Gore gets up on a podium and tells people to do things that he is not willing to do himself. He tells people to stop global warming, and calls himself the champion of global warming, while contributing more carbon dioxide emissions than the very people he is preaching to. Is that what Jesus would do? No.
It is not a man's place to judge whether or not a person is worthy of the Kingdom of God, I would never tell Al Gore that he is going to hell, I do not know what is in his heart...All I have to look at is what is on the outside, but when people profess their faith and then continue to live a life of hypocrisy, they should remember this: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
Matthew 7:19-21
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by Nasica As i said before.... W.W.J.D
Apparently by a Hummer, eat a dozen big macs in styrofoam containers and toss them all out the window as he kills off the bee population with his cell phone.
Oh hell we will all probably kill ourselves off long before the dreaded Global warming has any effect. Plus we are only a few thousand years out from the next Ice age anyway. We get them Ice ages every 20k years if I remember right, and a polarity swap of the Poles every 10k. Or is it the other way around?
"Like 60 years of industrialism can change a 4.5 billion year old environment. What kind of idiot would worry over something so ridiculous?" 1 Minute of Nuclear Warfare can destroy the entire world outright, do not be so ignorant to ignore the obvious. Regardless of whether nuclear war is right or wrong, or whatever, this is an undeniable fact about how just 1 of our 'industrialised" technologies can wreck havock on this planet. I personally dont think that our effect with CO2 emmisions is very significant, but to not do anything at all is like, not pouring water on a burning house.... because it has a chimney. Just like we clean our rooms/house/car/yard/street even when its not detremental to our lives, we should keep the Earth clean..... Unless your pro-litter, which seems like an awefully odd thing to be supportive of.
WRONG! Nuclear war will not destroy the earth. It will mearly destroy the morons that pushed the big red button. The earth will happily go on living without us.
All of this "global warming mumbo jumbo" is meant to captivate and empassion the ignorant.
Edit: Why don't you morons worry about real doomsday issues that have been proven will happen in a matter of time. Comets and asteroids have hit the earth and will again. The moon is moving away from the earth and the earth will loose its rotational axis causing chaotic weather and the earths surface eventually will not be habitable by humans. Did you know the earths poles have switched many times?
lol Nasica, I recommend watching the first video. If you want to control a mass population on a world scale without having to go to a war, how would you do it?
Nuclear war is a massive detrimental effect to the inhabitants (us). Nuclear war will exterminate us. The earth will still go on existing and being a host for lifeforms.
As far as global warming is concerned, I know we are in a warming trend. That is irrefutable. This warming trend is just the current state. It is is not caused by man or mans effects on the world. The earths environment is always in a state of change. Everything is in a state of change. Nothing ever stays the same.
lol Nasica, I recommend watching the first video. If you want to control a mass population on a world scale without having to go to a war, how would you do it?
Microwave emitters that subconsiously cause changes in our brain patterns, made by top secret military satilites ?
I dont entertain ridiculous conspiracy thoeries, sorry.
lol, who said anything about a conspiracy. I just asked if you were to control a world population without using war or violence, how would you do it?
I don't get involved much in these things and with good reason, I am not gonna give that reason though.
I feel like I should say something though, something really powerful and smart.
Perhaps this is the thing I should say! If you vote for someone just because they are in the democratic or republican party you are a fool. In simple, you should have you right to vote taken away. I have and will always vote for the people best for the job. If I were to be lead into war I would chose someone who is a great leader, not my cousin Bob because he likes the same genre of music I do.
I say once you clear up that whole thing of labeling yourself a conservative or a liberal then you can vote, if not, don't vote.
I would also say if you bring the bible into a discussion you had best read that book from front to back. If you have not completely read the bible do not call yourself a follower of Jesus or God. I would chose to call you a phony, a simpleton that is so lazy he can not read a book he worships. Further to prove how lazy and foolish you are I would bring up the fact that you only say it because your a coward chicken shit who wants a cushion for himself/herself in the afterlife.
That is simple, I have a friend who is one of the most religious people you have ever met. I am sure a lot of people say they have these friends. This man would run into a burning building to save people without a second thought. He has read the bible and still does. He does not force his religion on anyone and is a gentleman and a true religious person.
You evil, hateful, and downright rude people who say you belong to a religion, pathetic. If you truly believe you know that you help your fellow man. At this moment people are dieing because of global warming and science has proven carbon has helped it speed up. My friend believes in global warming and tries to help this earth. You all sit on your backside and mock a religion by saying your part of it. I say that if you believe in it so much, then when you get to the gates ask yourself why your not let in.
All of you who say your religious, preach the word of your god by helping others. Your the tool of a greater being so do the work he says to by helping your fellow man/woman. Global warming to me is not about science or religion, it is going to kill people, I want those people to live. If you can look a child in the face and not care that it could be dead due to global warming, you need to switch your worship from god to a more suitable being, like Satan. I hear from my religious friends that the devil takes in vicious nasty people.
I hope everyone here tries to help someone tomorrow, even if it is just telling them they have nice fingernails to make a day easier to get through.
This post is not directed to anyone in this thread, I would say everyone needs to read it. I would also say don't insult any religion unless you know it well, so all the people religion bashing need to read this post to.
Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!
I don't get involved much in these things and with good reason, I am not gonna give that reason though.
I feel like I should say something though, something really powerful and smart.
Perhaps this is the thing I should say! If you vote for someone just because they are in the democratic or republican party you are a fool. In simple, you should have you right to vote taken away. I have and will always vote for the people best for the job. If I were to be lead into war I would chose someone who is a great leader, not my cousin Bob because he likes the same genre of music I do.
I say once you clear up that whole thing of labeling yourself a conservative or a liberal then you can vote, if not, don't vote.
I would also say if you bring the bible into a discussion you had best read that book from front to back. If you have not completely read the bible do not call yourself a follower of Jesus or God. I would chose to call you a phony, a simpleton that is so lazy he can not read a book he worships. Further to prove how lazy and foolish you are I would bring up the fact that you only say it because your a coward chicken shit who wants a cushion for himself/herself in the afterlife.
That is simple, I have a friend who is one of the most religious people you have ever met. I am sure a lot of people say they have these friends. This man would run into a burning building to save people without a second thought. He has read the bible and still does. He does not force his religion on anyone and is a gentleman and a true religious person.
You evil, hateful, and downright rude people who say you belong to a religion, pathetic. If you truly believe you know that you help your fellow man. At this moment people are dieing because of global warming and science has proven carbon has helped it speed up. My friend believes in global warming and tries to help this earth. You all sit on your backside and mock a religion by saying your part of it. I say that if you believe in it so much, then when you get to the gates ask yourself why your not let in.
All of you who say your religious, preach the word of your god by helping others. Your the tool of a greater being so do the work he says to by helping your fellow man/woman. Global warming to me is not about science or religion, it is going to kill people, I want those people to live. If you can look a child in the face and not care that it could be dead due to global warming, you need to switch your worship from god to a more suitable being, like Satan. I hear from my religious friends that the devil takes in vicious nasty people.
I hope everyone here tries to help someone tomorrow, even if it is just telling them they have nice fingernails to make a day easier to get through.
This post is not directed to anyone in this thread, I would say everyone needs to read it. I would also say don't insult any religion unless you know it well, so all the people religion bashing need to read this post to.
Quoted because it deserves rereading.
I would like to point out the enviroment thing myself. I myself don't take measures to help the enviroment, I also admit that I'm a hypocrit on occasion.
If you think that global warming isn't happening, or if you think that it's not a bad thing, it's cool. You won't be here when our beautiful blue, oxygen rich atmosphere begins to change to carbon dioxide and methaine gas. You wont' be here when our nice stable climate is ripped apart by massive storms due to the increased tempatures on the surface of the planet, caused by the trapping of greenhouse gasses. Your great, great, grandchildren most likely will be though.
We only have one earth, and were not quite ready to start terraforming planets yet; nor do we as a species deserve to migraite into space.
Quoted because it deserves rereading. I would like to point out the enviroment thing myself. I myself don't take measures to help the enviroment, I also admit that I'm a hypocrit on occasion. If you think that global warming isn't happening, or if you think that it's not a bad thing, it's cool. You won't be here when our beautiful blue, oxygen rich atmosphere begins to change to carbon dioxide and methaine gas. You wont' be here when our nice stable climate is ripped apart by massive storms due to the increased tempatures on the surface of the planet, caused by the trapping of greenhouse gasses. Your great, great, grandchildren most likely will be though. We only have one earth, and were not quite ready to start terraforming planets yet; nor do we as a species deserve to migraite into space.
Very few people contest whether or not Global Warming is happening, for most of us it is a matter of whether or not humans are the cause of it.
You seem like the kind of person that likes to be very informed about things, so I encourage you to watch the Great Global Warming Swindle. It can be found as a series of videos on youtube, and I believe Razorback still has the first video in his signature.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Hmmm, the last time the earth experience global warming what happened? What was the time cycle.? Regardless if we speed it up or slow it down the earth through natural events will still come to a less than desirable outcome we want. Any idea what that is?
But now Enviromentalism is a obsession. Global Warming is not going to stop and anything we do to try to slow it down isnt going to do much. Conscious of our planet is good, but this planet will still do what it has done for millions of years. We just happen to be in it when its coming around this time. How much of a factor do you think humans have on global warming.
Myth #1: Scientists Agree the Earth Is Warming. While ground-level temperature measurements suggest the earth has warmed between 0.3 and 0.6 degrees Celsius since 1850, global satellite data, the most reliable of climate measure-
ments, show no evidence of warming during the past 18 years. [See Figure I.] Even if the earth's temperature has increased slightly, the increase is well within the natural range of known temperature variation over the last 15,000 years. Indeed, the earth experienced greater warming between the 10th and 15th centuries - a time when vineyards thrived in England and Vikings colonized Greenland and built settlements in Canada.
Myth #2: Humans Are Causing Global Warming. Scientists do not agree that humans discernibly influence global climate because the evidence supporting that theory is weak. The scientific experts most directly concerned with climate conditions reject the theory by a wide margin.
A Gallup poll found that only 17 percent of the members of the Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society think that the warming of the 20th century has been a result of greenhouse gas emissions - principally CO2 from burning fossil fuels. [See Figure II.]
Only 13 percent of the scientists responding to a survey conducted by the environmental organization Greenpeace believe catastrophic climate change will result from continuing current patterns of energy use.
More than 100 noted scientists, including the former president of the National Academy of Sciences, signed a letter declaring that costly actions to reduce greenhouse gases are not justified by the best available evidence.
While atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased by 28 percent over the past 150 years, human-generated carbon dioxide could have played only a small part in any warming, since most of the warming occurred prior to 1940 - before most human-caused carbon dioxide emissions.
Myth #2: Humans Are Causing Global Warming. Scientists do not agree that humans discernibly influence global climate because the evidence supporting that theory is weak. The scientific experts most directly concerned with climate conditions reject the theory by a wide margin.
A Gallup poll found that only 17 percent of the members of the Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society think that the warming of the 20th century has been a result of greenhouse gas emissions - principally CO2 from burning fossil fuels. [See Figure II.]
Only 13 percent of the scientists responding to a survey conducted by the environmental organization Greenpeace believe catastrophic climate change will result from continuing current patterns of energy use.
More than 100 noted scientists, including the former president of the National Academy of Sciences, signed a letter declaring that costly actions to reduce greenhouse gases are not justified by the best available evidence.
While atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased by 28 percent over the past 150 years, human-generated carbon dioxide could have played only a small part in any warming, since most of the warming occurred prior to 1940 - before most human-caused carbon dioxide emissions.
Myth #3: The Government Must Act Now to Halt Global Warming. The belief underlying this myth is that the consequences of near-term inaction could be catastrophic and, thus, prudence supports immediate government action.
However, a 1995 analysis by proponents of global warming theory concluded that the world's governments can wait up to 25 years to take action with no appreciable negative effect on the environment. T.M.L. Wigley, R. Richels and J.A. Edmonds followed the common scientific assumption that a realistic goal of global warming policy would be to stabilize the concentration of atmospheric CO2 at approximately twice preindustrial levels, or 550 parts per million by volume. Given that economic growth will continue with a concomitant rise in greenhouse gas emissions, the scientists agreed that stabilization at this level is environmentally sound as well as politically and economically feasible. They also concluded that:
Governments can cut emissions now to approximately 9 billion tons per year or wait until 2020 and cut emissions by 12 billion tons per year.
Either scenario would result in the desired CO2 concentration of 550 parts per million.
Delaying action until 2020 would yield an insignificant temperature rise of 0.2 degrees Celsius by 2100.
In short, our policymakers need not act in haste and ignorance. The government has time to gather more data, and industry has time to devise new ways of reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
These are just examples of Global Warming exploitations enviromentalists would like you to believe. To read this please visitwww.ncpa.org/ba/ba230.html
Quoted because it deserves rereading. I would like to point out the enviroment thing myself. I myself don't take measures to help the enviroment, I also admit that I'm a hypocrit on occasion. If you think that global warming isn't happening, or if you think that it's not a bad thing, it's cool. You won't be here when our beautiful blue, oxygen rich atmosphere begins to change to carbon dioxide and methaine gas. You wont' be here when our nice stable climate is ripped apart by massive storms due to the increased tempatures on the surface of the planet, caused by the trapping of greenhouse gasses. Your great, great, grandchildren most likely will be though. We only have one earth, and were not quite ready to start terraforming planets yet; nor do we as a species deserve to migraite into space.
Very few people contest whether or not Global Warming is happening, for most of us it is a matter of whether or not humans are the cause of it.
You seem like the kind of person that likes to be very informed about things, so I encourage you to watch the Great Global Warming Swindle. It can be found as a series of videos on youtube, and I believe Razorback still has the first video in his signature.
Doesn't a valcano cause more damage to the atmosphere when it erupts then humans have done in the past 60 years.
We are just a drop of water in an ocean, unfortunatly I believe that we are also like a fast forward button on a casette player. We're not helping any. It's the hypocrit in me. Tomorrow I'm going to hop into my car with the big ass V8 and drive to work.
But then, it's a very slim chance that I'll ever have a child.
Also, doesn't the earth go through a severe climate change like once every 100k years, and haven't scientists been saying that they think we may be aproaching that cycle again for some time now?
Planet fixes itself, but...
If we put enough greenhouse gas into the air, then the fix the planet has may not be beneficial to Humans.
Yup...and recently we have been experiencing an upsurge of volcanic activity, especially underwater.
Show that data please...or is yet another talking point you got off the AM radio?
And here's some proof of how man is effecting the climate;
But you conservatives go ahead and keep talking out of your asses, it's obviously the only thing you're good at.
Small problem, uhh, flaw the present and future is not defined. You are basing a projection without any hard evidence of it happening.
I find these charts of no value. One location in a volcanic area is not the world overall temperature. And please try the political thing where its due. Your argument is weak. Sorry
If you would like a very good link on Abrupt Climate Change and Global Warming from a real perspective I recommend going here:www.whoi.edu/page.do
Small problem, uhh, flaw the present and future is not defined. You are basing a projection without any hard evidence of it happening.
I find these charts of no value. One location in a volcanic area is not the world overall temperature. And please try the political thing where its due. Your argument is weak. Sorry
If you would like a very good link on Abrupt Climate Change and Global Warming from a real perspective I recommend going here:www.whoi.edu/page.do
Actualy, if you knew anything (you obviously dont), then you'd know that the air samples taken at hawaii were taken well away from volcanic activity, and that the earths atmosphere evenly distributes any gasses that are in it....also, it's not like hawaii had a massive industrial growth spurt in the last 100 years....it's still mostly forest surrounded by ocean.
And those samples were taken daily for the last 40 years, volcano emissions wouldnt effect that.
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"The longest such record exists at Mauna Loa, but these measurements have been independently confirmed at many other sites around the world [1]."
And here's something showing how that whole idiotic "volcanos are causing global warming" BS is exactly that, BS
So like I said, you conservatives keep talking out of your asses, it's the only thing you're good at.
there is no proof of global warming caused by humans since we measured global tempratures not so longcompared to how old the earth is, and archiological is not very solid proof. And besides we'll all be dead before anything bad happens to the world, unless north korea and iran start a nuclear war.
Visitors to the Gaia Napa Valley Hotel and Spa won't find the Gideon Bible in the nightstand drawer. Instead, on the bureau will be a copy of ``An Inconvenient Truth,'' former Vice President Al Gore's book about global warming." "Thou shalt have no other gods before the Goracle!" -- Algore 3:16 Everyone knows that Bush, Cheney, and Halliburton have caused Global Warming, and and I am an evil, meat eating, theocrat, right winger that will have to go to a re-education camp until I get it right! HailGore! *heaves chunks*
You can laugh... but we will see what happens in 25 years or so... you will be more serious then with this mater.
Yeah right, a nuke war, or people with drug resistant TB flyin on airplanes, or a quart of botchalism (dont remember how to spell it) released in the atmosphere in a certain manner, or an asteroid, or some man made type of population reduction, or some of the bigger dormant Volcano's poppin a cork, etc. etc. The thing that really gets me is we have an old technology that would get us off fossil fuels to a large degree, but we dont use it. Solar. Now with battery storage a whole bunch beter than 30 years ago, solar panels loaded with solar cells, can power a home easily, the batteries now days can easily store power for rainy and cloudy days. But clouds and rain dont stop solar from workng they just slow it down. But all these politicians wont get behind solar, they want to save whales. Well dang guys if we use little or no fosil fuels then we ship little or no fosil fuels. In that case the only threat to whales is fisherman, or whalers. Production costs for nearly everything would go down. No more fights for control of oil rich land. But they wont do it. None of them. Its much easier to control people with fear, than serve them with common damn sense. There are a few people who use total Solar, and guess what? They get to sell their excess power to the electric companies. Yet from what I undertand there are many road blocks to this. So we can save the whale and save the tuna but we beter pull our heads out and start by saving ourselves. Not from global warming, but from Global bullshit. Oh one more thing, the last time a major Solar Bill was killed, was by Democratic President Jimmy Carter. To his defense he didnt have much choice as republicans put a huge amount of riders on the bill that forced him to veto it. I remember this cause my Dad lost many thousands in Solar investments. I was like 15 so dont remember the specifics. I do remember a picture of my Dad and then CIA director, George Bush, standing on the ladder of an A-10 Warthogg at Buckley AFB, on the cover of Hughes news. Well thats enough I guess. I could go on of the things I learned from Dad but dont want people in dark sedans following me around. They did that most of my childhood and it is uncomfortable. But I'll give you one pearl he gave me. If there is money invloved in any game, any, then that game is rigged. Howard Hughes personally hired my Dad after Korea and Dad knew lots of things he never told. Dont beleive a damn thing anyone tells you, who is running for office, or asking for money. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts, absolutely.(Nichi) if I spelled his name right.
Here's hoping for more global warming. The sooner the climate spikes enough to melt the polar icecaps, the better.
There's no scientific proof of anything, so why the fuck should I be subjected to anything that gets in the way of my fat-assed, styrofoam container using, consumer frenzy? Why shouldn't I shit where I eat, so to speak?
I eagerly await the opportunity to dance on the bloated corpse of the human race.
In the meantime, I can be found spinning cookies in an SUV and sprayinng aerosol cans into the air.
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If they were going to crucify me a few days before it was released I wouldn't.....Jesus said all along that he was going to be giving up his life. Humans are simply too selfish to live the way Jesus did...To go through your life, living in poverty, doing nothing but helping people and teaching the word of God, all the while KNOWING that you will be put to death...and to gain NOTHING for it but his own death...that's not something a man would do. What compelled him? Compassion? Sorry, but nobody is that compassionate. I highly doubt that Al Gore would be willing to put his life on the line for his Global Warming cause, hell, the guy can't even manage to bring his utility bills down to half of what normal Americans pay, at least Jesus practiced what he preached, whether or not you believe he was the son of God.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
If they were going to crucify me a few days before it was released I wouldn't.....Jesus said all along that he was going to be giving up his life. Humans are simply too selfish to live the way Jesus did...To go through your life, living in poverty, doing nothing but helping people and teaching the word of God, all the while KNOWING that you will be put to death...and to gain NOTHING for it but his own death...that's not something a man would do. What compelled him? Compassion? Sorry, but nobody is that compassionate. I highly doubt that Al Gore would be willing to put his life on the line for his Global Warming cause, hell, the guy can't even manage to bring his utility bills down to half of what normal Americans pay, at least Jesus practiced what he preached, whether or not you believe he was the son of God.
I see the analogy that he is trying to get across here. And it is valid
You pray to a god without any prood, by definition of faith, to make your afterlife better (not the only reason, not even the most important, but definately one of them
Having the faith to slightly change the way you live (without this ridiculous argument of going back to the caves) for a better afterlife is precisely what Al Gore is trying to say I personally hate the man and his beliefes, but even if you didnt believe in Jesus Christ, do you think that would stop you from being a good bloke, is your belief in Jesus Christ the only moral grounding you have ?
Of Course not
This is where we use the analogy. Even if it does require faith to try and make the world a better place, why not try it ?
Why not make a few changes ?
What are you scared of ?
You can do all of Al Gores things without giving him one cent (dime) of your money, without giving him one minute of your time, and without loosing all of your comforts.
As i hear a lot of Christians say "W.W.J.D."
What would he do in this situation ?
Do you honestly think he would sit there and say "Screw Al Gore" ?
Or do you think he might say "Forget Al Gore, focus on the benefit of humanity"
Faithful or not, attempting to help the world is beneficial to its inhabitants, as i said earlier, Why do people clean there room/homes/car/boat/trailer/yard/street but not their country ?
But above all, i think you should be asking yourself.....
What WOULD Jesus Do ?
Im sorry, but when i ask my self that question, i dont see Jesus giving the reaction that you have.
You act as though Jesus never got angry with anyone, or lashed out at those who did wrong. There's nothing wrong with pointing at a hypocrite and calling them a hypocrite, or telling others to ignore what they say...besides, what you're getting into is entirely different from comparing Jesus to Al Gore, you're going more into the "ooh you shouldn't have said that because jesus wouldn't have done it" bit...which is fine, but it's not what Chocize was trying to get across with his comparison.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
If they were going to crucify me a few days before it was released I wouldn't.....Jesus said all along that he was going to be giving up his life. Humans are simply too selfish to live the way Jesus did...To go through your life, living in poverty, doing nothing but helping people and teaching the word of God, all the while KNOWING that you will be put to death...and to gain NOTHING for it but his own death...that's not something a man would do. What compelled him? Compassion? Sorry, but nobody is that compassionate. I highly doubt that Al Gore would be willing to put his life on the line for his Global Warming cause, hell, the guy can't even manage to bring his utility bills down to half of what normal Americans pay, at least Jesus practiced what he preached, whether or not you believe he was the son of God.
I see the analogy that he is trying to get across here. And it is valid
You pray to a god without any prood, by definition of faith, to make your afterlife better (not the only reason, not even the most important, but definately one of them
Having the faith to slightly change the way you live (without this ridiculous argument of going back to the caves) for a better afterlife is precisely what Al Gore is trying to say I personally hate the man and his beliefes, but even if you didnt believe in Jesus Christ, do you think that would stop you from being a good bloke, is your belief in Jesus Christ the only moral grounding you have ?
Of Course not
This is where we use the analogy. Even if it does require faith to try and make the world a better place, why not try it ?
Why not make a few changes ?
What are you scared of ?
You can do all of Al Gores things without giving him one cent (dime) of your money, without giving him one minute of your time, and without loosing all of your comforts.
As i hear a lot of Christians say "W.W.J.D."
What would he do in this situation ?
Do you honestly think he would sit there and say "Screw Al Gore" ?
Or do you think he might say "Forget Al Gore, focus on the benefit of humanity"
Faithful or not, attempting to help the world is beneficial to its inhabitants, as i said earlier, Why do people clean there room/homes/car/boat/trailer/yard/street but not their country ?
But above all, i think you should be asking yourself.....
What WOULD Jesus Do ?
Im sorry, but when i ask my self that question, i dont see Jesus giving the reaction that you have.
You act as though Jesus never got angry with anyone, or lashed out at those who did wrong. There's nothing wrong with pointing at a hypocrite and calling them a hypocrite, or telling others to ignore what they say...besides, what you're getting into is entirely different from comparing Jesus to Al Gore, you're going more into the "ooh you shouldn't have said that because jesus wouldn't have done it" bit...which is fine, but it's not what Chocize was trying to get across with his comparison.
As an example, the impression i got was that he wasnt upset with the money changers themselves, he was upset at the fact that money was being changed in the house of God.
The way i understand Christianity, if those money changers took there money out of the House of God, and went back in and prayed to God for their Sins to be forgiven, then they would have
I believe Christians get this point across by say "Hate the sin, not the sinner"
So the only valid way, IMHO, to 'point the finger' is to not point the finger at what he hasnt done, but to point the finger at whay you have done. The worst thing i ever remember him saying to someone personally was "Why do you betray your Lord with a kiss"
The problem with pointing out anyones flaws, is that you better make sure your flawless yourself.
"Let those who are without sin cast the first stone"
One does not need to be flawless in order to recognize a flaw in another...if that were the case then nobody would be able to provide any sort of constructive criticism to anyone else, because we would all be striving for unattainable perfection. "Let those who are without sin case the first stone" refers to judging the woman in a way that only God may judge. The reason that Jesus said that was because the people had judged the woman in a way that only God can judge people. When one points to Al Gore and calls him a hypocrite, it is hardly the same as stoning a woman. The whole purpose of that passage is to get people to recognize that pulling others up and telling them why they are wrong is better than to simply tell them that they are wrong. In the case of Al Gore, I doubt that he reads this forum. Once again Nasica, it's all about the context of what you pull out of the Bible.
If I were to sit on this forum and tell you that I was free of sin, I would be a liar. BUT...Al Gore gets up on a podium and tells people to do things that he is not willing to do himself. He tells people to stop global warming, and calls himself the champion of global warming, while contributing more carbon dioxide emissions than the very people he is preaching to. Is that what Jesus would do? No.
It is not a man's place to judge whether or not a person is worthy of the Kingdom of God, I would never tell Al Gore that he is going to hell, I do not know what is in his heart...All I have to look at is what is on the outside, but when people profess their faith and then continue to live a life of hypocrisy, they should remember this: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
Matthew 7:19-21
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Apparently by a Hummer, eat a dozen big macs in styrofoam containers and toss them all out the window as he kills off the bee population with his cell phone.
All of this "global warming mumbo jumbo" is meant to captivate and empassion the ignorant.
Edit: Why don't you morons worry about real doomsday issues that have been proven will happen in a matter of time. Comets and asteroids have hit the earth and will again. The moon is moving away from the earth and the earth will loose its rotational axis causing chaotic weather and the earths surface eventually will not be habitable by humans. Did you know the earths poles have switched many times?
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As far as global warming is concerned, I know we are in a warming trend. That is irrefutable. This warming trend is just the current state. It is is not caused by man or mans effects on the world. The earths environment is always in a state of change. Everything is in a state of change. Nothing ever stays the same.
That is what I believe.
Microwave emitters that subconsiously cause changes in our brain patterns, made by top secret military satilites ?
I dont entertain ridiculous conspiracy thoeries, sorry.
lol, who said anything about a conspiracy. I just asked if you were to control a world population without using war or violence, how would you do it?I feel like I should say something though, something really powerful and smart.
Perhaps this is the thing I should say! If you vote for someone just because they are in the democratic or republican party you are a fool. In simple, you should have you right to vote taken away. I have and will always vote for the people best for the job. If I were to be lead into war I would chose someone who is a great leader, not my cousin Bob because he likes the same genre of music I do.
I say once you clear up that whole thing of labeling yourself a conservative or a liberal then you can vote, if not, don't vote.
I would also say if you bring the bible into a discussion you had best read that book from front to back. If you have not completely read the bible do not call yourself a follower of Jesus or God. I would chose to call you a phony, a simpleton that is so lazy he can not read a book he worships. Further to prove how lazy and foolish you are I would bring up the fact that you only say it because your a coward chicken shit who wants a cushion for himself/herself in the afterlife.
That is simple, I have a friend who is one of the most religious people you have ever met. I am sure a lot of people say they have these friends. This man would run into a burning building to save people without a second thought. He has read the bible and still does. He does not force his religion on anyone and is a gentleman and a true religious person.
You evil, hateful, and downright rude people who say you belong to a religion, pathetic. If you truly believe you know that you help your fellow man. At this moment people are dieing because of global warming and science has proven carbon has helped it speed up. My friend believes in global warming and tries to help this earth. You all sit on your backside and mock a religion by saying your part of it. I say that if you believe in it so much, then when you get to the gates ask yourself why your not let in.
All of you who say your religious, preach the word of your god by helping others. Your the tool of a greater being so do the work he says to by helping your fellow man/woman. Global warming to me is not about science or religion, it is going to kill people, I want those people to live. If you can look a child in the face and not care that it could be dead due to global warming, you need to switch your worship from god to a more suitable being, like Satan. I hear from my religious friends that the devil takes in vicious nasty people.
I hope everyone here tries to help someone tomorrow, even if it is just telling them they have nice fingernails to make a day easier to get through.
This post is not directed to anyone in this thread, I would say everyone needs to read it. I would also say don't insult any religion unless you know it well, so all the people religion bashing need to read this post to.
Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!
Quoted because it deserves rereading.
I would like to point out the enviroment thing myself. I myself don't take measures to help the enviroment, I also admit that I'm a hypocrit on occasion.
If you think that global warming isn't happening, or if you think that it's not a bad thing, it's cool. You won't be here when our beautiful blue, oxygen rich atmosphere begins to change to carbon dioxide and methaine gas. You wont' be here when our nice stable climate is ripped apart by massive storms due to the increased tempatures on the surface of the planet, caused by the trapping of greenhouse gasses. Your great, great, grandchildren most likely will be though.
We only have one earth, and were not quite ready to start terraforming planets yet; nor do we as a species deserve to migraite into space.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Very few people contest whether or not Global Warming is happening, for most of us it is a matter of whether or not humans are the cause of it.
You seem like the kind of person that likes to be very informed about things, so I encourage you to watch the Great Global Warming Swindle. It can be found as a series of videos on youtube, and I believe Razorback still has the first video in his signature.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
But now Enviromentalism is a obsession. Global Warming is not going to stop and anything we do to try to slow it down isnt going to do much. Conscious of our planet is good, but this planet will still do what it has done for millions of years. We just happen to be in it when its coming around this time. How much of a factor do you think humans have on global warming.
Myth #1: Scientists Agree the Earth Is Warming. While ground-level temperature measurements suggest the earth has warmed between 0.3 and 0.6 degrees Celsius since 1850, global satellite data, the most reliable of climate measure-
ments, show no evidence of warming during the past 18 years. [See Figure I.] Even if the earth's temperature has increased slightly, the increase is well within the natural range of known temperature variation over the last 15,000 years. Indeed, the earth experienced greater warming between the 10th and 15th centuries - a time when vineyards thrived in England and Vikings colonized Greenland and built settlements in Canada.
Myth #2: Humans Are Causing Global Warming. Scientists do not agree that humans discernibly influence global climate because the evidence supporting that theory is weak. The scientific experts most directly concerned with climate conditions reject the theory by a wide margin.
While atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased by 28 percent over the past 150 years, human-generated carbon dioxide could have played only a small part in any warming, since most of the warming occurred prior to 1940 - before most human-caused carbon dioxide emissions.
Myth #2: Humans Are Causing Global Warming. Scientists do not agree that humans discernibly influence global climate because the evidence supporting that theory is weak. The scientific experts most directly concerned with climate conditions reject the theory by a wide margin.
While atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased by 28 percent over the past 150 years, human-generated carbon dioxide could have played only a small part in any warming, since most of the warming occurred prior to 1940 - before most human-caused carbon dioxide emissions.
Myth #3: The Government Must Act Now to Halt Global Warming. The belief underlying this myth is that the consequences of near-term inaction could be catastrophic and, thus, prudence supports immediate government action.
However, a 1995 analysis by proponents of global warming theory concluded that the world's governments can wait up to 25 years to take action with no appreciable negative effect on the environment. T.M.L. Wigley, R. Richels and J.A. Edmonds followed the common scientific assumption that a realistic goal of global warming policy would be to stabilize the concentration of atmospheric CO2 at approximately twice preindustrial levels, or 550 parts per million by volume. Given that economic growth will continue with a concomitant rise in greenhouse gas emissions, the scientists agreed that stabilization at this level is environmentally sound as well as politically and economically feasible. They also concluded that:
In short, our policymakers need not act in haste and ignorance. The government has time to gather more data, and industry has time to devise new ways of reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
These are just examples of Global Warming exploitations enviromentalists would like you to believe. To read this please visitwww.ncpa.org/ba/ba230.html
Have a nice day!
Very few people contest whether or not Global Warming is happening, for most of us it is a matter of whether or not humans are the cause of it.
You seem like the kind of person that likes to be very informed about things, so I encourage you to watch the Great Global Warming Swindle. It can be found as a series of videos on youtube, and I believe Razorback still has the first video in his signature.
Doesn't a valcano cause more damage to the atmosphere when it erupts then humans have done in the past 60 years.
We are just a drop of water in an ocean, unfortunatly I believe that we are also like a fast forward button on a casette player. We're not helping any. It's the hypocrit in me. Tomorrow I'm going to hop into my car with the big ass V8 and drive to work.
But then, it's a very slim chance that I'll ever have a child.
Also, doesn't the earth go through a severe climate change like once every 100k years, and haven't scientists been saying that they think we may be aproaching that cycle again for some time now?
Planet fixes itself, but...
If we put enough greenhouse gas into the air, then the fix the planet has may not be beneficial to Humans.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Show that data please...or is yet another talking point you got off the AM radio?
And here's some proof of how man is effecting the climate;
But you conservatives go ahead and keep talking out of your asses, it's obviously the only thing you're good at.
Show that data please...or is yet another talking point you got off the AM radio?
And here's some proof of how man is effecting the climate;
But you conservatives go ahead and keep talking out of your asses, it's obviously the only thing you're good at.
Small problem, uhh, flaw the present and future is not defined. You are basing a projection without any hard evidence of it happening.I find these charts of no value. One location in a volcanic area is not the world overall temperature. And please try the political thing where its due. Your argument is weak. Sorry
If you would like a very good link on Abrupt Climate Change and Global Warming from a real perspective I recommend going here:www.whoi.edu/page.do
Actualy, if you knew anything (you obviously dont), then you'd know that the air samples taken at hawaii were taken well away from volcanic activity, and that the earths atmosphere evenly distributes any gasses that are in it....also, it's not like hawaii had a massive industrial growth spurt in the last 100 years....it's still mostly forest surrounded by ocean.
And those samples were taken daily for the last 40 years, volcano emissions wouldnt effect that.
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"The longest such record exists at Mauna Loa, but these measurements have been independently confirmed at many other sites around the world [1]."
And here's something showing how that whole idiotic "volcanos are causing global warming" BS is exactly that, BS
So like I said, you conservatives keep talking out of your asses, it's the only thing you're good at.
Here's hoping for more global warming. The sooner the climate spikes enough to melt the polar icecaps, the better.
There's no scientific proof of anything, so why the fuck should I be subjected to anything that gets in the way of my fat-assed, styrofoam container using, consumer frenzy? Why shouldn't I shit where I eat, so to speak?
I eagerly await the opportunity to dance on the bloated corpse of the human race.
In the meantime, I can be found spinning cookies in an SUV and sprayinng aerosol cans into the air.