Warhammer Vs. WoW

superguyver · May 2007

Through the dispute about Warhammer and WoW I would like to put my own two cents in. believe that Warhammer will not succeed WoW but give WoW and other MMO players a door to a new and better for of PvE. It might not match up to WoWs PvEbut i dont think it will intend to either. Also, I am sure this is the 100000000 time it has been said, Warhammer is not a WoW " clone", the idea for Warhammer has been around long before Warcraft, so I am not sure howyou can clone an idea when it was out before the supposid orginal. Well anyways, put your own two cents in on my opinion, or talk about other disputes between the two.

Parsifal57 · May 2007

If you think PvP in WoW is in any way good , you are in for a revelation with WAR, wow's PvP is basic at the best , and just plain poor mostly. Which is to be expected for a game that was designed to be PVEcentric from the outset, PvP was added as an afterthought in WoW and it shows (Poor Balance, FPS ripoff scenarios etc.)

Wheres Warhammer is based primarily around PvP (RvR) and is being produced by the people who developed DAOC, which up until the TOA expansion was the only game I played TOA was a disaster as many former DAOC members will atest, Mythic seem to appear to have learned the TOA lesson the hard way.

IMHO Warhammer PvP will blow WoWs out of the water.

PS The Warcraft universe when it originally started in Warcraft one was a direct draw from then Warhammer universe and was meant to be a Warhammer RTS until GW withdrew support, WoW may not be a clone of the warhammer universe but it still does draw very heavily from the early warcraft days.

superguyver · May 2007

Originally posted by Parsifal57

If you think PvP in WoW is in any way good , you are in for a revelation with WAR, wow's PvP is basic at the best , and just plain poor mostly. Which is to be expected for a game that was designed to be PVEcentric from the outset, PvP was added as an afterthought in WoW and it shows (Poor Balance, FPS ripoff scenarios etc.)

Wheres Warhammer is based primarily around PvP (RvR) and is being produced by the people who developed DAOC, which up until the TOA expansion was the only game I played TOA was a disaster as many former DAOC members will atest, Mythic seem to appear to have learned the TOA lesson the hard way.

IMHO Warhammer PvP will blow WoWs out of the water.

PS The Warcraft universe when it originally started in Warcraft one was a direct draw from then Warhammer universe and was meant to be a Warhammer RTS until GW withdrew support, WoW may not be a clone of the warhammer universe but it still does draw very heavily from the early warcraft days.

Heh i have never really viewed WoWs PvP as good but merely as outlet for my desire to kill in WoW

. However, I do agree with you that Warhammer will blow WoW out of the water, and also i think it might even surpass it with the attention it is getting right now, and other MMOs coming up, such as Age of Conan, those coupled together ight take down the Big gorilla....

Yeebo · May 2007

The PvP in Warhammer will be a shit ton better. Hard to say much about the rest of the game.

However, when it gets right down to it...there's only one difference that I give a crap about. WoW is out, Warhammer isn't. Holding your breath for something that won't be out for almost anyear is just silly, imo.

superguyver · May 2007

I cant say WoW is out yet... with the ever growing population and the exansion gaining more and more attention i think it will be top dog for some time, but as i said before I think the only way for WoW to end is if it gets dethroned by a new MMOs. I think MMos need to start bringing New ideas to the table, Such as Warhammer's RVR or Age of Conan's New combat system

Carl132p · May 2007

First of all he meant out as in released.

Second a good mmo doesnt need more subs than wow its sub base is somewhat of an anomaly (sp? /correct usage?) There will be many mmos out that are better than wow in many peoples opinions but they will not see near as many subscriptions.

oh yea and Daoc has already done Rvr mythic just gave it some kind of point system to decide whos winning.

superguyver · May 2007

I am in a slight disagreement with you subs come from how good the game is, and also, what some MMos lack, how well it is advertised... WoW has gotten many subs from word of mouth, commercials, and even south park

. And i know many people and some whole guilds that are going to leave WoW as soon as Warhammer comes out... and i am sure i am not the only one that has alot fo friends that or knows people that are going to do the same. I think this is what will cause WoW to die, unless of course WoW, via new expansion, or patch, ups its graphics engine and its PvP. Maybe make it more widespread, and not so much in instanced areas.

Flyte27 · May 2007

I actually just looked it up and Warcraft: Orcs and Humans released in 1994. Warhammer: Shadow of the Horned Rat released in 1995. That doesn't matter of course. If Warhammer Online is fun I will play it. It's pretty simple.

superguyver · May 2007

Warhammer as itselfs was created in 1983 mate. The first publication of Warcraft was 1994 and it bore similarities to Warhammer.. so i think most people need to rethink where warcraft really came from and who is a "clone" of who.

Flyte27 · May 2007

I see what your saying after looking up some info on warhammer. There were some pen and paper games around as early as 1983, but when was the first computer game released? According to gamespot it was in 1995 which is a year after Warcraft. None of this matters though as I said. If the game is fun people will play it regardless if it plays similar to World of Warcraft.

Carl132p · May 2007

First of all Warhammer is a table top game with "action figures" and this table top game came out way before anything warcraft related i dont know why i responded but whatever whether i can edumacate you or not everyone knows where warcraft came from and who cloned who

Flyte27 · May 2007

I think people are reffering to the Online versions of the game and not the ideas overall. Obviously Warhammer was a P&P game as you have pointed out and was around way before warcraft, but I wonder is it's form as a computer game that similiar to the P&P game? Also World of Warcraft is a lot differnt then Warcraft Strategy games. As an online game it's hard to say how much it will take from Warcraft as it's the most popular MMO, but it will probobly take a decent amount from the design of the game.

Carl132p · May 2007

When people talk about what warcraft took from warhammer they usually mean the general look and feel of the written/digital world, races (though orcs and elvers are older than i can try to place with my lack of knowledge maybe Lotr?)

Flyte27 · May 2007

Orcs, Elves, Humans, Trolls, Dwarves, etc. go back a long way before either game.

InfectionCE · May 2007

Who cares?

Wraithmire · May 2007

warhammer reminds me too much of LOTR...LOTR was the first to bring orcs and elves and stuff (unless something that is older brought those ideas, then correct me)...so warhammer is a clone.

Everything is a clone of something.

And I'm gonna laugh when warhammer bombs. Age of Conan won't do so well simply because of the M rating, it will bring in a mature crowd maybe. but it won't sell very well. Warhammer might do good, but seeing as EA and Mythic are behind this...I doubt it.

Tamalan · May 2007

Originally posted by Wraithmire

Age of Conan won't do so well simply because of the M rating, it will bring in a mature crowd maybe. but it won't sell very well. Warhammer might do good, but seeing as EA and Mythic are behind this...I doubt it.

I think it will have the exact opposite effect, it will draw in the teenage 'boobs and blood' crowd in droves.

Wraithmire · May 2007

Originally posted by Tamalan

Originally posted by Wraithmire

Age of Conan won't do so well simply because of the M rating, it will bring in a mature crowd maybe. but it won't sell very well. Warhammer might do good, but seeing as EA and Mythic are behind this...I doubt it.

I think it will have the exact opposite effect, it will draw in the teenage 'boobs and blood' crowd in droves. That is possible too.

And I'm not saying AoC will do bad, I have a feeling it will be a well made game (we'll see so) but I know a lot of parents will probably not let them play for those reasons, so like I said, it will attract a more older/mature crowd, that isn't a bad thing or anything so.

superguyver · May 2007

1. Orcs, elves, dwarves, trolls etc are mythological creatures... JR tolkein did not make them up.

2. A clone is a complete copy... nuff said

Clada · May 2007

When Mythic created DAOC I remember reading on the forums "EQ CLONE - EXACT SAME" . These kinds of comments were flooding the web, the game came out and was amazing and stood up there with EQ while being unique itself. So lets wait and give Warhammer a try and see how it stands up.

Aseenus · May 2007

i will agree with everything ur saying buddy... except where u said that war isnt a wow clone because it is

WAR will open idea for other games because war will be so pvp based it will make blizzard worry that wow isnt pvp based enough and they will probebly be putting a lot of effort into improving wows pvp

superguyver · May 2007

So how is WAR a clone... you just stated how WoW will rip it off... haha

HadesPvP · May 2007

Like was said before, I think the fact that EA owns Mythic may be something that will hurt the game. EA has a terrible record with MMO's with plenty of cancellations and game closings. They rush release dates and produce run of the mill games. Lets hope they have learned their lesson and leave Mythic the hell alone.

godpuppet · May 2007

It amazes me how people can make astute financial success projections on games they have never even played.

superguyver · May 2007

I think they are taking that approach becuase the release date on WAR has been pushed back, and yes i completly agree that it seems everything EA touches(MMOs wise) turns to doo-doo

dgmoore · May 2007

I think that warhammer give wow a good run for its money. Wow has been out a while now and once most players reach their cap levels they get borred with the game unless they are hardcore raiders/pvpers. With that said I think that warhammer will take a good portion of WoW's players.

Just my 2 cents

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