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So Is Vanguard Pretty Much Vaporware Now?

rickastleyrickastley Member Posts: 12
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I preordered Vanguard when it came out, played for awhile then quit...should I even bother going back now or has it become vaporware?



I heard the orig devs all got fired and its run by Sony 100% :( even though the team promised that would never happen in their lifetimes...




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  • korvasskorvass Member Posts: 616
    People who say 'never' generally get bitten in the ass eventually. Yes, Sigil is now defunct, all staff were fired the day before SOE took over, hiring Brad as a consultant, plus a few manager types and about half the dev staff.



    As for vapourware? Hard to say. It's early days, and SOE have yet to make it clear what they're doing with the game. They have mentioned optimisation and bug fixes as being high up on their priority.
  • tvalentinetvalentine Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,216
    vaporware is usually refered to games that arent even out yet.....so how can it be vaporware?

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  • ctzn99ctzn99 Member UncommonPosts: 75

    OP: I think you got your definition for vaporware a bit off

    –noun


    Computer Slang. a product, esp. software, that is promoted or marketed while it is still in development and that may never be produced.

    Technically it did get produced and even launched.  Just not very well.

     

    Korvas:

    You are correct, all the sigil employees got laid off BUT a large portion of them were re-hired by SOE to work out of SOE's new office (sigils old office).

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  • tunabuntunabun Member UncommonPosts: 666




    Vaporware refers to a game that has not and probably will not come into being.  It is vapor, as in gaseous and non-physical, It won`t and doesn`t materialize.



    So no, Vanguard isn`t and won`t be Vaporware.

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  • abbabaabbaba Member Posts: 1,143
    Yeah, not vaporware.



    I think VSOH will become much like The Matrix Online: it will survive but it will be marginalized in the MMORPG world with few subscribers and few updates.
  • VolkmarVolkmar Member UncommonPosts: 2,501
    Originally posted by abbaba

    Yeah, not vaporware.



    I think VSOH will become much like The Matrix Online: it will survive but it will be marginalized in the MMORPG world with few subscribers and few updates.

    yep, I agree. it seems they are using same tactic. minimal development, mostly bug fixes with 0 new content.

    Keep the costs as low as possible so to make a profit of current subs and they have the game ready and shining for a future when A) average computers can actually run it and B) they decide to re-invest in it.

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  • PyrostasisPyrostasis Member UncommonPosts: 2,293
    Originally posted by rickastley

    I preordered Vanguard when it came out, played for awhile then quit...should I even bother going back now or has it become vaporware?



    I heard the orig devs all got fired and its run by Sony 100% :( even though the team promised that would never happen in their lifetimes...





    Vapor ware usually implys the game wasnt made/wont be published. Vanguard was... just abysmally.
  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

    In the sense of it not being a completed or worthwhile product, was it ever anything else?

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  • keygankeygan Member Posts: 237

    This game is over.  Every vanboy needs to come here and read the truth about the precious brad mctool project (which rock are they all hiding under anyway...lol).   This game was over before it started.  I, among everyone else, didn't want to admit it.  It sucks when you have high hopes for something and you see the massive potential and then watch it fail horribly.  Oh well, don't worry too much I am sure mctool is laughing all the way to the bank and I am sure we will never see from him again.  Hopefully the gaming companies got the messagae about putting an unfinished product out on the market with a ton of false promises in it.  Maybe, just maybe, this will help the future of the mmorpg world and all new games coming out and we will see more polished products with all promises included.

    So now my opinion is over...lol.  Is the game vaporware?....yes and no.  If you go by the slang definition no, but I guess it could be viewed that way.  I think the word you are looking for is "steaming pile of dung" (i checked the dictionary...it IS actually one word).

    mctool....I never liked that guy.

     

  • bonobotheorybonobotheory Member UncommonPosts: 1,007
    Originally posted by keygan
    So now my opinion is over...lol.  Is the game vaporware?....yes and no.  If you go by the slang definition no, but I guess it could be viewed that way.  I think the word you are looking for is "steaming pile of dung" (i checked the dictionary...it IS actually one word).
    Steamingpileofdungware?
  • neschrianeschria Member UncommonPosts: 1,406
    Dungware is a word with potential... I think I've seen enough dungware in the last couple of years to last me a lifetime. I am almost glad I didn't make the specs for Vanguard so I don't have to be any more disappointed than simply not making the specs.

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  • malzarmalzar Member Posts: 15
    I always thought I would never get caught in that kind of game. But I did, I think we learn from our mistakes. Damn, I hate to waste my money
  • keygankeygan Member Posts: 237

    Dictionary

    Noun

    Steamingpileofdungware - Any mmorpg or anything hard/software related that has Brad Mctool's (or Mcquaid's, depending upon spelling and geographic location) name on it.

    See it's all there in black and white.  I wouldn't just make this up.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,087
    Originally posted by Volkmar

    Originally posted by abbaba

    Yeah, not vaporware.



    I think VSOH will become much like The Matrix Online: it will survive but it will be marginalized in the MMORPG world with few subscribers and few updates.

    yep, I agree. it seems they are using same tactic. minimal development, mostly bug fixes with 0 new content.

    Keep the costs as low as possible so to make a profit of current subs and they have the game ready and shining for a future when A) average computers can actually run it and B) they decide to re-invest in it.

    If reports are to be believed, SOE actually retained about 50 Sigil employees (about the same as EQ 2 team I've read) which is far more than they need to do bug fixes. I think it implies we'll see some new development and perhaps they will follow EQ2's steady road to recovery.



    ATM there really no other games like VG out there (no, AOC and WAR are a lot different) and there is a player base that wants a large world game like VG, and would play it if only the darn game would perform properly and flesh out its content a bit more.

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  • magnutsmagnuts Member UncommonPosts: 79
    I have not even played Vanguard yet! Still waiting for free trial, so that I can see what all the hubbub is all about!!
  • keygankeygan Member Posts: 237
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Originally posted by Volkmar

    Originally posted by abbaba

    Yeah, not vaporware.



    I think VSOH will become much like The Matrix Online: it will survive but it will be marginalized in the MMORPG world with few subscribers and few updates.

    yep, I agree. it seems they are using same tactic. minimal development, mostly bug fixes with 0 new content.

    Keep the costs as low as possible so to make a profit of current subs and they have the game ready and shining for a future when A) average computers can actually run it and B) they decide to re-invest in it.

    If reports are to be believed, SOE actually retained about 50 Sigil employees (about the same as EQ 2 team I've read) which is far more than they need to do bug fixes. I think it implies we'll see some new development and perhaps they will follow EQ2's steady road to recovery.



    ATM there really no other games like VG out there (no, AOC and WAR are a lot different) and there is a player base that wants a large world game like VG, and would play it if only the darn game would perform properly and flesh out its content a bit more.



    Although I didn't read your whole post...i only got through about 2 lines...lol.  I did see the line "...if only the darn game would perform properly and flesh out its content a bit more".....Isn't that like saying "man this car is sooooo fast.  Now all it needs is an engine." ?? 

    lol...don't get to riled up about this...just a question.

  • Invinci_GalInvinci_Gal Member Posts: 43
    I had a feeling SOE would take over at some point once they got involved. From hearing the interviews on their plans I think Vanguard is going to make slow, but good progress towards becoming a decent game. I understand their philosophy is to be "Fix the things that are broken, not the things that aren't" which hopefully means they won't reinvent the game a few times as they did with SWG. Population wise I see it always sitting between SWG and EQ2 with a little movement up and down depending on patches at the time.



    Anyway, crapware... maybe. It had a rough launch and poor leadership but I think it's turning around.



    Vaporware? Nope. It made it to retail. It doesn't matter the condition. If you can buy it, it's not vaporware.
  • brostynbrostyn Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,092
    He meant to say is it crapware.
  • ClatilClatil Member Posts: 41
    SOE although it may have ruined some games, made enormous efforts with EQ2. With all the potential that Vanguard seems to have, they would be foolish to seldom update and watch the player base slip from slim to none. If they are truly the greedy corporation everyone labels them as, it would be in their best interest to make a lot of improvements on the game to get it to the state it should be (as they did with EQ2) and re-market it.

    To answer the vaperware question..although it is a misuse of the term...this game is not entirely too fun to play right now, my advice would be to give it a few months of time (or a year even) to let SOE make some fixes, good or bad.
  • pirrgpirrg Member Posts: 1,443
    I love it when im right. Fanboys need to realize that they only hurt themselves in the long run. Live and learn my friends.

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  • gillvane1gillvane1 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,503
    Vaporware: see definitions posted above or look up Darkfall.



    I agree that Vanguard may become like Matrix Online. Released, but not likely to ever have a big following.



    Why kick the fans of Vanguard while they are down? That's just not nice. Vanguard had good intentions, and had some good possibilities. It just failed to follow through in the implementation, but making an MMORPG isn't easy.
  • daddysboy30daddysboy30 Member Posts: 11
    Vanguard imo is the best mmo out there.  They are working on the bugs and have improved the game since launch. I would recommend this game to any1 who likes DAOC, EQ, EQ2, EQOA, FF 11, L2, WOW, LOTRO. This game is a great game!!!!!You guys are so Wrong!!!!!!!!!
  • CiredricCiredric Member Posts: 723

    Hey glad you enjoy it, but recommending that POS to others is just disrespectful.

    It is another Matrix. They will make some changes, you can bet SOE will dumb downt the game significantly.  It will attract a small niche crowd.

    Perhaps SOE can resurrect it some, but to most of us it is a dead game and will always be so.

    I like that name McTool for Brad, certainly fits him like a glove.

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