Originally posted by Erillion Do you want to see how "mature" the CCP employees are and how they communicate with customers in game ? Check out this screenshot (the blue name "Sharkbait" is a developer) : http://www.kugutsumen.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=208&d=1180613876 Giving a one finger salute to your paying customers is not the best idea. Have fun Erillion
I get only an error message here "You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
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Probably you should upload the screenshot somewhere else.
I operate a pretty good firewall and scanner myself and have never seen a hacking attack from this website. It IS - however - a good site for all kinds of rumours and stuff that gets quickly deleted by moderators on the official EVE-O forums. Take everything with a grain of salt that gets posted there. But that is true for all online forums.
It seems to me that K. obtains his knowledge about inner workings of EVE corporations more through a network of player spies and not through hacking. Unfortunately, out-of-game hacking (especially Teamspeak servers), denial-of-service-attacks etc. have become all too common in EVE lately .... originating from many different sides.
Kug admitted in a post that he was a hacker in the past and nowadays - like so many hackers before him - gets paid by corps to do security / penetration checks to find IT security loopholes.
Um... I shareed the GoonFleet open letter with people... Is CCP going to hunt me down and sue me out of existance too?
Why is it that I get the feeling that it was the lawyers who wrote that?
How does what they shown in the third allegation prove 'a history' of anything???
They first shut down the forums to keep them from being brought down, then they open a single one for people to post on the topic of the allegations, then they coincidentally use the number of times they posted discussing their allegations as proof of a 'co ordinated campaign'?
In my opinion, they should not have employees involved at all on the game server other than running NPCs for events.
What? In every other forum people are bitching that some company or other doesn't even play their own game, how can they know whats best for the game if they don't even play it?
People IT'S A FREIKEN GAME! get over it! If you don't like whats happening MOVE ON!
Would the guy who lost his stuff to the corp with dev in it have been upset if his corp had one with a dev in it? Or if they had lost and they had a dev in corp? Would he have still been thinking that the devs screwed him? Cause what it sounded like to me was someone got beat and they looked for any excuse to blame something else for the results. Which really shouldn't surprise me. In north america we always try to blame others and never our selves. Its our culture!
I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self. --Aristotle
I beleive in all the great things CCP has done and I love the game.
I would never speack out against them!
I mean who would, with how they can collect stats on you, investigate other forums, hunt down the rebel factions, and make things safe for the empire, er... company. CCP is mother, CCP is Father, CCP is your family!
I don't know who this yahoo who is posting as me is, but I love EVE and it is the best MMO I have ever played. If something bad were to happen to it, I would be very upset. I have never seen any improproety in the game and hope I never will.
And lets face it CCP is a corperation who has to agressively defend itself because it is a target. Any corperation that depends on the whims and opions of current and possible consumers has to fight to keep its reputaion sterling.
They just have to be careful not to fight to hard, or they will kill the puppy they are trying to rescue by squeezing to tightly so they don't drop it when trying to save it from the fire.
I have written fiction for roleplaying supplements and it has been published.
To point out the same problems in the game as the Goons do does not make one a passenger on the Goonie band wagon. It just means that its not a Goon invented fantasy but a real problem that needs solving. In the past I fought the Goons and RAs every day i played EVE.
*** hands over some ear plugs ***
Here .. take these. Continue playing in your happy little corner of EVE. Enjoy it. You dont have to read about the problems.
Meanwhile let us help in making these problems disappear. As a SWG veteran I know that sometimes MMORPG corps need a little encouragment (repeated clubbing of cognitive centers) to understand when they are about to fuck up their own game.
Have fun
Erillion
Originally posted by Ciredric
Erillion, you should write fiction because that is exactly what all your posts are. Jumping on the goons bandwagon, which you are escentually doing with your silly arguments just pawn you off as another goons board troll. Either play the game or leave, save your whining about nothing for someone else.
Do you want to see how "mature" the CCP employees are and how they communicate with customers in game ? Check out this screenshot (the blue name "Sharkbait" is a developer) : http://www.kugutsumen.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=208&d=1180613876 Giving a one finger salute to your paying customers is not the best idea. Have fun Erillion
Prove to me you're not a complete idiot . How exactly is he suppsoed to prove to you it isn't photoshopped ?
No problem Airspell, let's have an intelligent conversation. You have made my point here by your reply, CCP Sharkbait's finger is in so many Bio's in this game it would be easy for someone to photoshop in the finger and accuse CCP Sharbait of actually making that post in local. In my opinion this is not in fact an actual screenshot of CCP Sharkbait typing in local chat, just another slanderous post of someone either wishing to believe ill or trying to spread more accusations without verifiable evidence.
I am over 3 years in the game and have not seen Sharkbaits "finger" in a single player bio so far.
As asked I am trying to find out more about this screenshot and incident. I have found an eyewitness (not via the Kug website but by asking on EVE-O forum):
Name: R3dSh1ft
Corporation Dark Knights of Deneb
Alliance : Against ALL Authorities
who says that the screenshot is genuine and not photoshopped.
I am trying to find out more about the incident and what made the GM post this one finger salute.
CCP is trying to do an impossible task. They can't control all of their staff in their freetime.
See, staff members while they work get info which would give a critical edge to any player...and some are playing the game. In a PvE-instanced surrounding, it only mean you outrace someone else, it doesn't equate to another player failure.
I never played EvE, nor any PvP game since my first MUD (nor any non-instanced since EQ). I have a problem that I can't see solved in the above. Among with a few other design issues when PvP/competition is badly done.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
That dev artist that gave away the T2 blueprint way back when was using an employee account. CCP isn't even monitoring the employee accounts for illegal activity.
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that with the graphic tools available today, posting a screenshot as proof is beyond ludicrous.
Anything can be edited and tools available make it extremely easy to do so. The same goes for movies.
Since everyone in the world knows the goon's abilities when it comes to providing false information, nothing they disseminate can be construed as anything other than propaganda. If any facts were provided in such a document, you can bet they were twisted far beyond understanding.
At least with CCP they have been extremely open and aboveboard with the investigation. They have new rules for their developers that they did not have last summer when this incident occurred.
If you feel you cannot trust CCP, leave the game, but stop the stupid whining.
Personally I don't think there are any issues here, beyond that single incident last summer and nothing I have seen since has even made me blink about that decision.
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that with the graphic tools available today, posting a screenshot as proof is beyond ludicrous.
Second eye witness (from EVE-O forum) that confirms the screenshot to be genuine :
Pilot Fantome
Corporation Section XIII
Alliance Tau Ceti Federation
Still working on trying to find out what was the reason for this in game GM communication ... no clear answers yet. That the screenshot only shows part of the communication does not help much.
One poster claims that Sharkbait is only commenting on a bug and the remark is not directed at a person. Another poster claims that the GM adressed an annoying pilot with this one finger salute and the pilots enemies are cheering the GM on.
Posting a screenshot with the additional option to talk to eye witnesses may not be as ludicrous as some people believe.
Lol you have to be a real tool if you belive what ccp said.
Better to be a tool than a decadent mouthpiece for the goons.
You are pretty clueless making such an assine statement. Have you ever been in Iceland, do you know anything about the Icelandic people? Quite obvious you do not. They do and say what they mean. You are suggesting they are two faced and that is just not them at all. If they say they found nothing in the investigation, I believe them, that is just the way those people are.
The goons on the other hand will lie, cheat, steal, etc to achieve their aims. That has been very successfully demonstrated by this and countless other incidents.
Who are we to believe, a confirmed lyer? NO, I think we know who the tool is.
Curious, I believe ASCN used to be the richest corp in the game, at least until BoB brought them down a notch, how exactly did all that money translate into power? Oh yeah it didn't.
Personally I wish CCP would put restrictions on all the large corps, they are just bad for the game.
But all these allegations weren't even founded on smoke, let alone fire.
I do not rely on screenshots alone. If you want, talk to the people I mentioned. They have nothing to do with the ones who originally posted the screenshot. Some of them are even enemies of those who posted the screenshot. The screenshot comes from the Kugutsumen website, the names of those who said they were there and that the screenshot is genuine are from EVE-O (and they do not know where I found the screenshot in the first place).
I am no Goon. In the past I fought them and their allies of the Red Alliance every day I logged into EVE.
This is no attempt to "defame" the game. There ARE some problems in EVE at the moment and they have to be pointed out. PR propaganda posts by CCP are not the way to solve those problems.
Looking at the way the company and the game is run - in the light of the recent rapid expansion - will solve those problems. More professionalism, less bias, better internal control, better employee screening... you dont have to be a member of a certain player group to recognize this.
Originally posted by Ciredric
Oh and the Eve-O snapshot was not altered? Give me a break, you have no proof period. It is a witch hunt by a bunch of losers to defame the game. Go take your whines to the goons board where you might find someone dumb enough to listen to you.
Erillion all you can do is spout goon propaganda. Everyone knows how much that is worth,zip. Anyone with any sense knows there is nothing here and CCP has come out extremely well in this incident. The goons have made themselves look like the whining fools they are. Trying to support your arguments with nonsense, just makes you the laughing stock of the boards.
Ciredric,
accusing someone with more or less the same words in three posts does not make it anymore valid. Just because you try to connect me to the Goonies time and time again does not make it anymore true either.
I presented a screenshot as a point of discussion. I gave you the means to verify that the screenshot is legit. Based on the screenshot I listed some points about CCP and EVE that I think needs to be looked into if EVE shall thrive.
How about talking about the points I mentioned ? Or do you have a problem with countering aruments you dont like ?
Lets see
a) CCP is growing too fast, leading to problems with keeping their new employees under control (which often have a strong background in certain communities of EVE).
b) some of these new CCP employees are joining for their own benefit and that of their in game friends. That is especially true in the case of event rigging and abusal of ISD powers. Messing with the database is also a bad idea in any MMORPG.
c) CCP has a problem with PR recently .... posting explanations that cover only certain basic points and carefully avoid the real issues. Only after repeated prodding do they even adress the more serious problems.
d) CCP has a problem with the direction of 0.0 alliance level warfare in EVE. As a kind of end game / high level game it is totally broken at the moment. POS wars are exceedingly boring. Ship blobs slay game nodes all too often. Only the most cheating, farming and metagaming groups ( a la BoB, Goons, Red Alliance etc.) are dominating this type of game and its bad for EVE. Not too mention CCPs reputation.
I can live with bringing merriment to readers of this board. I smile myself about people like you that assume they speak for the mayority of posters here.
Yes, EVE is a good game. What you call whining is experience. You can have as many people as you want in an alliance ... when you essentially play against the developers (friends) you cannot "win". a) Cash .... BoD basically got a money printing machine from their dev buddies and dont have to worry as much about where the ISK for replacement parts comes as everyone else has to do. Only lately has invention and the nerf of bugged complexes cut into the seemingly endless cash supply of BoD b) Exploits .... when BoD does it , its a feature ... when someone else does it its an exploit ... "POS bowling" exploit anyone ?! c) Working hard / having experience .... if you think other pilots in 0.0 space work any less hard or have less experience and discipline than BoB, you are mistaken. If anything the others have to work much harder (see (a) and (b) above). But when insider knowledge leads BoD to all your safespots, hidden caches etc. (via ISD special commands .. instajump to any pilot anywhere in space), then there is little one can do. Except to start to cheat, exploit and lie as much as BoD. Which is what the Goons did. And which is STILL the wrong way to do it. So you have NPC controlled empire and maybe low sec. 0.0 space will soon be in control of one group. which is sad for EVE at large. It already killed their Chinese EVE server. Have fun Erillion
I fought BoB for 2 years, but you sir you simply are a clueless guy. There is nothing that it did not happened on the other side, except the T20 incident which CCP admitted. They are the ONLY ONE company admitting such a PR disaster. BTW to be honest i would had never addmited and banned everyone, cause there were no proofs, only hacked stuff.
a) about the t2 BPO, value of those in profit made in 6 months is about 10 billion. I made more from PVP in 6 months, cause except only 1 bpo were CRAP.
b) exploits - there was not a SINGLE PROVEN EXPLOIT from BoB. Yeah i will hear passive targetes and stuff: No BoB kill was found with passive targeter fitted. Or POS shield shooting. Everybody heard of desync. everybody heard of same accusation from TCF alliance against D2 alliance - it was a general bug. POS bowling was NOT exploit as stated by the creators of the game until 1 week ago. It is now and u will not see a single BoB doing that. If u see one petition it and he will be banned.
c) u are such a naive boy. I was in FA, in ASCN. 90% of eve players are doin only 5% of what they should do in a battle. They all think this is simple point and click and done. Is not. Discipline - 90% of eve players i met they were not doin anythin right in this matter. damage stackin is the key in battle engagements. Instead they were flying like headless chickens waiting to be killed by a superior force. Safespots - do u really know how much time u need to get a ss with good skills? 20sec. imagine that if u start the probing with 10 sec before u started warp. in 3-4 sec after you arrived in your precious ss i would be in a covert in warp to you. And that sir is experience and hard work, cause i know when to drop the probe. Leadership - 99% of eve alliances are guided with guys that does not know how is to be runned an elite guild. so they get in low end guilds. Anyone remember mordor guild from the game "mankind". take some notes from them.
Believing that any BoB member is a isd/dev/ gm/whatever is just pointing that u are losing precious moments of your time with a game lost for you or u are just bitter. If the game is lost for you -> unsuscrib. If not adapt and move over cause is just a game and u should try to get better.
And ask RA alliance why they can stand against BoB and bring it anytime?
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Probably you should upload the screenshot somewhere else.
http://www.kugutsumen.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=208&d=1180613876
be carefull with this webiste its run by a known hacker, he used to hack other peoples forums and even admitted it.
I operate a pretty good firewall and scanner myself and have never seen a hacking attack from this website. It IS - however - a good site for all kinds of rumours and stuff that gets quickly deleted by moderators on the official EVE-O forums. Take everything with a grain of salt that gets posted there. But that is true for all online forums.
It seems to me that K. obtains his knowledge about inner workings of EVE corporations more through a network of player spies and not through hacking. Unfortunately, out-of-game hacking (especially Teamspeak servers), denial-of-service-attacks etc. have become all too common in EVE lately .... originating from many different sides.
Kug admitted in a post that he was a hacker in the past and nowadays - like so many hackers before him - gets paid by corps to do security / penetration checks to find IT security loopholes.
Have fun
Erillion
Why is it that I get the feeling that it was the lawyers who wrote that?
How does what they shown in the third allegation prove 'a history' of anything???
They first shut down the forums to keep them from being brought down, then they open a single one for people to post on the topic of the allegations, then they coincidentally use the number of times they posted discussing their allegations as proof of a 'co ordinated campaign'?
somewhere in a bunker Dick Cheney is proud.
What? In every other forum people are bitching that some company or other doesn't even play their own game, how can they know whats best for the game if they don't even play it?
People IT'S A FREIKEN GAME! get over it! If you don't like whats happening MOVE ON!
Would the guy who lost his stuff to the corp with dev in it have been upset if his corp had one with a dev in it? Or if they had lost and they had a dev in corp? Would he have still been thinking that the devs screwed him? Cause what it sounded like to me was someone got beat and they looked for any excuse to blame something else for the results. Which really shouldn't surprise me. In north america we always try to blame others and never our selves. Its our culture!
I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self.
--Aristotle
That last post marked as mine wasn't me!!!
I beleive in all the great things CCP has done and I love the game.
I would never speack out against them!
I mean who would, with how they can collect stats on you, investigate other forums, hunt down the rebel factions, and make things safe for the empire, er... company. CCP is mother, CCP is Father, CCP is your family!
You love your family, Don't you?
I don't know who this yahoo who is posting as me is, but I love EVE and it is the best MMO I have ever played. If something bad were to happen to it, I would be very upset. I have never seen any improproety in the game and hope I never will.
And lets face it CCP is a corperation who has to agressively defend itself because it is a target. Any corperation that depends on the whims and opions of current and possible consumers has to fight to keep its reputaion sterling.
They just have to be careful not to fight to hard, or they will kill the puppy they are trying to rescue by squeezing to tightly so they don't drop it when trying to save it from the fire.
Erillion, you should write fiction because that is exactly what all your posts are.
Jumping on the goons bandwagon, which you are escentually doing with your silly arguments just pawn you off as another goons board troll.
Either play the game or leave, save your whining about nothing for someone else.
I have written fiction for roleplaying supplements and it has been published.
To point out the same problems in the game as the Goons do does not make one a passenger on the Goonie band wagon. It just means that its not a Goon invented fantasy but a real problem that needs solving. In the past I fought the Goons and RAs every day i played EVE.
*** hands over some ear plugs ***
Here .. take these. Continue playing in your happy little corner of EVE. Enjoy it. You dont have to read about the problems.
Meanwhile let us help in making these problems disappear. As a SWG veteran I know that sometimes MMORPG corps need a little encouragment (repeated clubbing of cognitive centers) to understand when they are about to fuck up their own game.
Have fun
Erillion
/me sighs
I am over 3 years in the game and have not seen Sharkbaits "finger" in a single player bio so far.
As asked I am trying to find out more about this screenshot and incident. I have found an eyewitness (not via the Kug website but by asking on EVE-O forum):
Name: R3dSh1ft
Corporation Dark Knights of Deneb
Alliance : Against ALL Authorities
who says that the screenshot is genuine and not photoshopped.
I am trying to find out more about the incident and what made the GM post this one finger salute.
Have fun
Erillion
CCP is trying to do an impossible task. They can't control all of their staff in their freetime.
See, staff members while they work get info which would give a critical edge to any player...and some are playing the game. In a PvE-instanced surrounding, it only mean you outrace someone else, it doesn't equate to another player failure.
I never played EvE, nor any PvP game since my first MUD (nor any non-instanced since EQ). I have a problem that I can't see solved in the above. Among with a few other design issues when PvP/competition is badly done.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
That dev artist that gave away the T2 blueprint way back when was using an employee account. CCP isn't even monitoring the employee accounts for illegal activity.
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that with the graphic tools available today, posting a screenshot as proof is beyond ludicrous.
Anything can be edited and tools available make it extremely easy to do so. The same goes for movies.
Since everyone in the world knows the goon's abilities when it comes to providing false information, nothing they disseminate can be construed as anything other than propaganda. If any facts were provided in such a document, you can bet they were twisted far beyond understanding.
At least with CCP they have been extremely open and aboveboard with the investigation. They have new rules for their developers that they did not have last summer when this incident occurred.
If you feel you cannot trust CCP, leave the game, but stop the stupid whining.
Personally I don't think there are any issues here, beyond that single incident last summer and nothing I have seen since has even made me blink about that decision.
to eve community that CCP will bless MSN private communication and requests
of help between BoB and Devs during game time ...... He didn't investigate during
that week if that channel was misused to get unfair advantage ..... nope ... he expend
that week to get the courage to say that CCP IA will not punish that behavior.
OF COURSE ...
"CCP and EVE, our employees are urged to exercise judgment"
LOL, BoB recognized that they by-passed the petition system and get immediate
support from CCP via MSN ..... and that is not a problem for CCP. My question is ...
... can all corporations get immediate support from CCP via that channel ? ...or is limited to BoB members?
the rest of us ..must wait days ... weeks .. some time more ... to get support in our POSs or whatever
is broken in the game.
OK, CPP IA ..as usual ... you sux ! ..don't blame other than yourself
Second eye witness (from EVE-O forum) that confirms the screenshot to be genuine :
Pilot Fantome
Corporation Section XIII
Alliance Tau Ceti Federation
Still working on trying to find out what was the reason for this in game GM communication ... no clear answers yet. That the screenshot only shows part of the communication does not help much.
One poster claims that Sharkbait is only commenting on a bug and the remark is not directed at a person. Another poster claims that the GM adressed an annoying pilot with this one finger salute and the pilots enemies are cheering the GM on.
Posting a screenshot with the additional option to talk to eye witnesses may not be as ludicrous as some people believe.
Have fun
Erillion
Oh and the Eve-O snapshot was not altered?
Give me a break, you have no proof period. It is a witch hunt by a bunch of losers to defame the game.
Go take your whines to the goons board where you might find someone dumb enough to listen to you.
Better to be a tool than a decadent mouthpiece for the goons.
You are pretty clueless making such an assine statement. Have you ever been in Iceland, do you know anything about the Icelandic people? Quite obvious you do not. They do and say what they mean. You are suggesting they are two faced and that is just not them at all. If they say they found nothing in the investigation, I believe them, that is just the way those people are.
The goons on the other hand will lie, cheat, steal, etc to achieve their aims. That has been very successfully demonstrated by this and countless other incidents.
Who are we to believe, a confirmed lyer? NO, I think we know who the tool is.
Curious, I believe ASCN used to be the richest corp in the game, at least until BoB brought them down a notch, how exactly did all that money translate into power? Oh yeah it didn't.
Personally I wish CCP would put restrictions on all the large corps, they are just bad for the game.
But all these allegations weren't even founded on smoke, let alone fire.
"All French people are arrogant""All German people are precise"
"All Americans are illiterate country Bumpkins"
"All Icelandic people are honest"
Have I made my point?
Have faith in God, believe in antimatter.
I do not rely on screenshots alone. If you want, talk to the people I mentioned. They have nothing to do with the ones who originally posted the screenshot. Some of them are even enemies of those who posted the screenshot. The screenshot comes from the Kugutsumen website, the names of those who said they were there and that the screenshot is genuine are from EVE-O (and they do not know where I found the screenshot in the first place).
I am no Goon. In the past I fought them and their allies of the Red Alliance every day I logged into EVE.
This is no attempt to "defame" the game. There ARE some problems in EVE at the moment and they have to be pointed out. PR propaganda posts by CCP are not the way to solve those problems.
Looking at the way the company and the game is run - in the light of the recent rapid expansion - will solve those problems. More professionalism, less bias, better internal control, better employee screening... you dont have to be a member of a certain player group to recognize this.
Erillion all you can do is spout goon propaganda. Everyone knows how much that is worth,zip.
Anyone with any sense knows there is nothing here and CCP has come out extremely well in this incident.
The goons have made themselves look like the whining fools they are.
Trying to support your arguments with nonsense, just makes you the laughing stock of the boards.
Ciredric,
accusing someone with more or less the same words in three posts does not make it anymore valid. Just because you try to connect me to the Goonies time and time again does not make it anymore true either.
I presented a screenshot as a point of discussion. I gave you the means to verify that the screenshot is legit. Based on the screenshot I listed some points about CCP and EVE that I think needs to be looked into if EVE shall thrive.
How about talking about the points I mentioned ? Or do you have a problem with countering aruments you dont like ?
Lets see
a) CCP is growing too fast, leading to problems with keeping their new employees under control (which often have a strong background in certain communities of EVE).
b) some of these new CCP employees are joining for their own benefit and that of their in game friends. That is especially true in the case of event rigging and abusal of ISD powers. Messing with the database is also a bad idea in any MMORPG.
c) CCP has a problem with PR recently .... posting explanations that cover only certain basic points and carefully avoid the real issues. Only after repeated prodding do they even adress the more serious problems.
d) CCP has a problem with the direction of 0.0 alliance level warfare in EVE. As a kind of end game / high level game it is totally broken at the moment. POS wars are exceedingly boring. Ship blobs slay game nodes all too often. Only the most cheating, farming and metagaming groups ( a la BoB, Goons, Red Alliance etc.) are dominating this type of game and its bad for EVE. Not too mention CCPs reputation.
I can live with bringing merriment to readers of this board. I smile myself about people like you that assume they speak for the mayority of posters here.
Have fun
I fought BoB for 2 years, but you sir you simply are a clueless guy. There is nothing that it did not happened on the other side, except the T20 incident which CCP admitted. They are the ONLY ONE company admitting such a PR disaster. BTW to be honest i would had never addmited and banned everyone, cause there were no proofs, only hacked stuff.
a) about the t2 BPO, value of those in profit made in 6 months is about 10 billion. I made more from PVP in 6 months, cause except only 1 bpo were CRAP.
b) exploits - there was not a SINGLE PROVEN EXPLOIT from BoB. Yeah i will hear passive targetes and stuff: No BoB kill was found with passive targeter fitted. Or POS shield shooting. Everybody heard of desync. everybody heard of same accusation from TCF alliance against D2 alliance - it was a general bug. POS bowling was NOT exploit as stated by the creators of the game until 1 week ago. It is now and u will not see a single BoB doing that. If u see one petition it and he will be banned.
c) u are such a naive boy. I was in FA, in ASCN. 90% of eve players are doin only 5% of what they should do in a battle. They all think this is simple point and click and done. Is not. Discipline - 90% of eve players i met they were not doin anythin right in this matter. damage stackin is the key in battle engagements. Instead they were flying like headless chickens waiting to be killed by a superior force. Safespots - do u really know how much time u need to get a ss with good skills? 20sec. imagine that if u start the probing with 10 sec before u started warp. in 3-4 sec after you arrived in your precious ss i would be in a covert in warp to you. And that sir is experience and hard work, cause i know when to drop the probe. Leadership - 99% of eve alliances are guided with guys that does not know how is to be runned an elite guild. so they get in low end guilds. Anyone remember mordor guild from the game "mankind". take some notes from them.
Believing that any BoB member is a isd/dev/ gm/whatever is just pointing that u are losing precious moments of your time with a game lost for you or u are just bitter. If the game is lost for you -> unsuscrib. If not adapt and move over cause is just a game and u should try to get better.
And ask RA alliance why they can stand against BoB and bring it anytime?