if people who are seriously into PvP then Darkfall (if its not a vaporware) will be the one that will drop subscriptions down on the big games, its pretty much like UO in 3d, has a lot of potential.
When will anyone realize, that no game will bring down WoW? MMOs don't get killed off, they don't die. Dark Age of Camelot has been losing subscriptions for close to a year now, and its STILL going. It's a 6 year old game. EQ is also STILL going, with low subscriptions. Even if you took a million players from WoW to Conan (which won't happen, cause the M rating should keep most of the WoWkiddies away) there's still another million in America left, and another 6 million more in Asia.
Understand that the nature of the MMO market today is way different than when WoW started.
First, when WoW started, we started to see system memory and video cards become cheaper than ever before (memory is getting cheaper now too according to an article in the Kansas City Star, Sun Jun 2).
Second, desktop systems equally were getting cheaper by sheer volume of demand for them.
Those two points alone meant when WoW came onto the market not only did it have a following already from the Blizzard RTS titles (and the Diablo games), but it had a larger population of new computer users to pull in. Today, we are still seeing this trend in fact it's accelerating as a rate not seen even when WoW started, so expect a larger audience for WoW and AoC, and all the other MMO titles that already exist or will be released soon. The only time the MMO market will shrink is when either a major bust occurs in the general market (some indications this is coming soon, according to individuals who have reconstructed an M3 trend-line modeler online) or a world war (which busts markets by default). So, again as I've stated in a similar thread about WoW killers, enjoy the glut of new users my fellow code monkeys in the MMO companies.
First of all ... even LOTRO fans say that the game is only to fill in the empty spot of burned out MMORPGers while some other game comes out. It really needs no destroying ...
Second of all ... People take a look at the melee D-Pad fighting system. You truyly believe that it is revolutionary? Judging from the jungle vids and any other melee vids coming out it looks like you have like .... FOUR moves that you just repeat repeat repeat repeat ... It will make you wish for auto-attack all over again. Unless they will make it some sort of Marvel vs Campcom or Dead or Alive fighting system I see no "skill" in this pointless "press up to make this move and right to make this move, now press up, up and right for a combo" system.
To me, AoC will be the biggest surprise ever because I am very un-hyper about this game because of all the gametrailers.
I also would like to see how the game playes with Archers and DD Mages and Healers. Ya, gg with thumb buttons.
It's been said but it bears repeating , AoC will not kill WoW, nor do I wish it too. I want AoC to get the niche crowd that love the lore as much as I do. Those who read the books, love the books, and want to make a great community. I want it to stay small and not even come close to competing with WoW. That way the community will stay solid and true.
Let WoW keep the mass amount of people it has, it will keep most of the morons away from the games i really want to play.
I agree with Perry, Warhammer will be the one to take the younger crowd away from WoW. The older crowd will go to AoC.
It's more like the other way around. The Warhammer crowd will be the one taking the hardcore PvP'ers and alot of people from DAoC and the younger crowd will flock to AoC, where they can LOP off heads and have a bountiful amount of whores and have the new shiney graphics with all the awesome instancing and the single player for 20 levels!
i would rather the wow crowd not come i was not impressed with them at all when i played they say wow is so good so why leave it? stay with the "greatest game ever made" and we will play our game
Tell me you're joking, Complaining that Arnold is not in Conan is like complaining that your food isn't rotten enough. I happen to like the guy in some roles. Conan is not one of them.
i gotta admit that even if AOC is really good, the level of accessibility and ease of use that WOW has will have it maintain its crown. im not crazy about WoW but you cant deny that what WoW does, its does damn well. you may hate it, but u cant deny the facts. i love what AOC will offer, and believe will do damn well, but there is alot of things namely the mature rating and the level of graphis (what type of computer you need) will effect how many people iwll be able to play it.
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And.. ya.. halfarsed graphics and ugly monsters isn't much to brag about ...
Half assed monsters? I might bite on that comment had I not read REH's work. Robert E. Howard INVENTED sword and sorcery, and the monsters he used are not the unimaginative drivel that you read about in Tolkiens cheap knockoff crap. They are monsters to be feared. Cthulhu Mythos > any crap lore Blizzard could ever write + anything Tolkein ever wrote.
I know you are not comparing WOW's 2004 engine to a game that will use DX10, and somehow putting WOW on top. Or are you like the millions of mindless fools who compare grainy AOC videos to the complete version of WOW and then say AOC has bad graphics? News flash skippy: the crap video you see on graintube looks nothing like a PC game!
For the record, games do not kill each other in terms of numbers or sales. It simply does not happen that way. What does happen is that a game comes along to offers more, and some people play it, but some don't. Since Conan got over 100,000 BETA signups in a week, I personally anticipate over 1 Million subscribers in the first few months.
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And.. ya.. halfarsed graphics and ugly monsters isn't much to brag about ...
Half assed monsters? I might bite on that comment had I not read REH's work. Robert E. Howard INVENTED sword and sorcery, and the monsters he used are not the unimaginative drivel that you read about in Tolkiens cheap knockoff crap. They are monsters to be feared. Cthulhu Mythos > any crap lore Blizzard could ever write + anything Tolkein ever wrote.
I know you are not comparing WOW's 2004 engine to a game that will use DX10, and somehow putting WOW on top. Or are you like the millions of mindless fools who compare grainy AOC videos to the complete version of WOW and then say AOC has bad graphics? News flash skippy: the crap video you see on graintube looks nothing like a PC game!
For the record, games do not kill each other in terms of numbers or sales. It simply does not happen that way. What does happen is that a game comes along to offers more, and some people play it, but some don't. Since Conan got over 100,000 BETA signups in a week, I personally anticipate over 1 Million subscribers in the first few months.
good point. as far as AOC i already Pre-ordered lol.
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First of all ... even LOTRO fans say that the game is only to fill in the empty spot of burned out MMORPGers while some other game comes out. It really needs no destroying ... Second of all ... People take a look at the melee D-Pad fighting system. You truyly believe that it is revolutionary? Judging from the jungle vids and any other melee vids coming out it looks like you have like .... FOUR moves that you just repeat repeat repeat repeat ... It will make you wish for auto-attack all over again. Unless they will make it some sort of Marvel vs Campcom or Dead or Alive fighting system I see no "skill" in this pointless "press up to make this move and right to make this move, now press up, up and right for a combo" system. To me, AoC will be the biggest surprise ever because I am very un-hyper about this game because of all the gametrailers. I also would like to see how the game playes with Archers and DD Mages and Healers. Ya, gg with thumb buttons.
I would highly suggest you put your glasses on this time and look again.
A.) Its not controlled by the Dpad on the console version
B.) The base is 6 different directions. While on a mount, it does sometimes get down to four possible moves, but that is not the norm.
C.) Its a matter of various combinations of said moves. Each combination has various advantages and disadvantages. Someone that knows his character and his manuevers well will attack faster, more powerfully, and more efficiently than any random idiot mashing buttons. If you absolutely must, think of it in terms of Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat, although it is niether as crude or unrealistic, in both cases the "newbie" will end up badly pwned every time by someone with skill.
D.) The skill lies mainly in terms of combat preparation (what you bring to a fight in terms of equipment and skills in order to complement your strengths and weaknesses), situational advantages (IE, when and where to attack the enemy, and when and where to wait for them to come to you), and knowing which combos to use when. Repeating the same combo over and over is not a good idea in any case.
E.) Any and all ranged attacks, including the small amount of hostile magic that is ranged (most is touchbased), are manually aimed in an FPSlike system.
This is all just single hand individual combat, the part I'm looking forward to comes later in the game, when commanding huge armies in something closer to an RTSlike war.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
I think the wow killer (By killer I mean taking about 1/10th of its players) will be Hellgate: London. If they don't screw it up (and it looks like they might with this new pricing plan).
For those of you about the cry that it's not a MMO, your right it's not and I think that's the main reason it will be a WoW killer.
First of all, you obviously have no idea about what Conan is if you think 'Arnie' should be in it.
Secondly, everyone knows that the only game that will kill WoW is Darkfall! a ffa pvp game will destroy wow, lol dream on mate....darkfall might get a few subscriptions if it ever comes out..so far no one can say what it will be like...your just dreaming up a mmorpg that does not exist..for all you know you might hate darkfall..so your comment is equally as stupid as ..wheres arnie.
LOTRO = PvE game no pvp, aka different sub genre than warhammer and age of conan
Warhammer online = DAOC with WoWlike graphics and realm v realm pvp, also another sub genre of pvp games, aka those that like daoc and warhammer, who also want pvp thats as simple and skilless as wow.
Age of conan = a pvp game, with siege combat, free for all pvp servers, city building, combat like in the elder scrolls 3 by the looks of things etc its for those that like pvp, with rts elements, conan, and siege combat.
So no it wont kill either they are not really competing with each other since its a different fan base.
I agree with Perry, Warhammer will be the one to take the younger crowd away from WoW. The older crowd will go to AoC.
i reckon the younger crowd will go to aoc..come on boobs and blood..i know if i was 15 thats the game i would play..a mature titled game is going to be a magnet for young gamers.....looking at both communities..the aoc community is more immature and annoying.
And.. ya.. halfarsed graphics and ugly monsters isn't much to brag about ...
Half assed monsters? I might bite on that comment had I not read REH's work. Robert E. Howard INVENTED sword and sorcery, and the monsters he used are not the unimaginative drivel that you read about in Tolkiens cheap knockoff crap. They are monsters to be feared. Cthulhu Mythos > any crap lore Blizzard could ever write + anything Tolkein ever wrote.
I know you are not comparing WOW's 2004 engine to a game that will use DX10, and somehow putting WOW on top. Or are you like the millions of mindless fools who compare grainy AOC videos to the complete version of WOW and then say AOC has bad graphics? News flash skippy: the crap video you see on graintube looks nothing like a PC game!
For the record, games do not kill each other in terms of numbers or sales. It simply does not happen that way. What does happen is that a game comes along to offers more, and some people play it, but some don't. Since Conan got over 100,000 BETA signups in a week, I personally anticipate over 1 Million subscribers in the first few months.
good point. as far as AOC i already Pre-ordered lol. Same Here, over 2 Months Ago Now.............Heh.
whats the point? im personally waiting for WAR because i like pvp centric games , not saying AoC is a bad game, its just not my type of game from the movies i have seen
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Understand that the nature of the MMO market today is way different than when WoW started.
First, when WoW started, we started to see system memory and video cards become cheaper than ever before (memory is getting cheaper now too according to an article in the Kansas City Star, Sun Jun 2).
Second, desktop systems equally were getting cheaper by sheer volume of demand for them.
Those two points alone meant when WoW came onto the market not only did it have a following already from the Blizzard RTS titles (and the Diablo games), but it had a larger population of new computer users to pull in. Today, we are still seeing this trend in fact it's accelerating as a rate not seen even when WoW started, so expect a larger audience for WoW and AoC, and all the other MMO titles that already exist or will be released soon. The only time the MMO market will shrink is when either a major bust occurs in the general market (some indications this is coming soon, according to individuals who have reconstructed an M3 trend-line modeler online) or a world war (which busts markets by default). So, again as I've stated in a similar thread about WoW killers, enjoy the glut of new users my fellow code monkeys in the MMO companies.
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First of all ... even LOTRO fans say that the game is only to fill in the empty spot of burned out MMORPGers while some other game comes out. It really needs no destroying ...
Second of all ... People take a look at the melee D-Pad fighting system. You truyly believe that it is revolutionary? Judging from the jungle vids and any other melee vids coming out it looks like you have like .... FOUR moves that you just repeat repeat repeat repeat ... It will make you wish for auto-attack all over again. Unless they will make it some sort of Marvel vs Campcom or Dead or Alive fighting system I see no "skill" in this pointless "press up to make this move and right to make this move, now press up, up and right for a combo" system.
To me, AoC will be the biggest surprise ever because I am very un-hyper about this game because of all the gametrailers.
I also would like to see how the game playes with Archers and DD Mages and Healers. Ya, gg with thumb buttons.
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Let WoW keep the mass amount of people it has, it will keep most of the morons away from the games i really want to play.
Tell me you're joking, Complaining that Arnold is not in Conan is like complaining that your food isn't rotten enough. I happen to like the guy in some roles. Conan is not one of them.
Buy and read this....
http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Conan-Cimmerian-Robert-Howard/dp/0345483855/ref=pd_bbs_1/105-3898403-8566839?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180932310&sr=8-1
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Half assed monsters? I might bite on that comment had I not read REH's work. Robert E. Howard INVENTED sword and sorcery, and the monsters he used are not the unimaginative drivel that you read about in Tolkiens cheap knockoff crap. They are monsters to be feared. Cthulhu Mythos > any crap lore Blizzard could ever write + anything Tolkein ever wrote.
I know you are not comparing WOW's 2004 engine to a game that will use DX10, and somehow putting WOW on top. Or are you like the millions of mindless fools who compare grainy AOC videos to the complete version of WOW and then say AOC has bad graphics? News flash skippy: the crap video you see on graintube looks nothing like a PC game!
For the record, games do not kill each other in terms of numbers or sales. It simply does not happen that way. What does happen is that a game comes along to offers more, and some people play it, but some don't. Since Conan got over 100,000 BETA signups in a week, I personally anticipate over 1 Million subscribers in the first few months.
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Half assed monsters? I might bite on that comment had I not read REH's work. Robert E. Howard INVENTED sword and sorcery, and the monsters he used are not the unimaginative drivel that you read about in Tolkiens cheap knockoff crap. They are monsters to be feared. Cthulhu Mythos > any crap lore Blizzard could ever write + anything Tolkein ever wrote.
I know you are not comparing WOW's 2004 engine to a game that will use DX10, and somehow putting WOW on top. Or are you like the millions of mindless fools who compare grainy AOC videos to the complete version of WOW and then say AOC has bad graphics? News flash skippy: the crap video you see on graintube looks nothing like a PC game!
For the record, games do not kill each other in terms of numbers or sales. It simply does not happen that way. What does happen is that a game comes along to offers more, and some people play it, but some don't. Since Conan got over 100,000 BETA signups in a week, I personally anticipate over 1 Million subscribers in the first few months.
good point. as far as AOC i already Pre-ordered lol.
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The faster than company dies off the better.
I would highly suggest you put your glasses on this time and look again.
A.) Its not controlled by the Dpad on the console version
B.) The base is 6 different directions. While on a mount, it does sometimes get down to four possible moves, but that is not the norm.
C.) Its a matter of various combinations of said moves. Each combination has various advantages and disadvantages. Someone that knows his character and his manuevers well will attack faster, more powerfully, and more efficiently than any random idiot mashing buttons. If you absolutely must, think of it in terms of Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat, although it is niether as crude or unrealistic, in both cases the "newbie" will end up badly pwned every time by someone with skill.
D.) The skill lies mainly in terms of combat preparation (what you bring to a fight in terms of equipment and skills in order to complement your strengths and weaknesses), situational advantages (IE, when and where to attack the enemy, and when and where to wait for them to come to you), and knowing which combos to use when. Repeating the same combo over and over is not a good idea in any case.
E.) Any and all ranged attacks, including the small amount of hostile magic that is ranged (most is touchbased), are manually aimed in an FPSlike system.
This is all just single hand individual combat, the part I'm looking forward to comes later in the game, when commanding huge armies in something closer to an RTSlike war.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Until recently I wasn't bothered about Warhammer, but I think it's starting to look good, but again, i'll reserve Judgement.
As for destroying WoW? Not a chance! WoW is just far too established with a huge userbase.
When LOTRO came along, I left WoW, just like I left RO and Final Fantasy when WoW came along.
I just hope that AOC delivers. I haven't seen enough about it to think that it will be as popular as WoW.
You have to realize WoW is so popular because it will run on old PCs. AOC won't run on most of the 8 million PCs that run WoW today.
For those of you about the cry that it's not a MMO, your right it's not and I think that's the main reason it will be a WoW killer.
I think Age of Conan will be a great game, but you are entirely wrong about it affecting Lotro or Wow much.
First of all, you obviously have no idea about what Conan is if you think 'Arnie' should be in it.
Secondly, everyone knows that the only game that will kill WoW is Darkfall!
Warhammer online = DAOC with WoWlike graphics and realm v realm pvp, also another sub genre of pvp games, aka those that like daoc and warhammer, who also want pvp thats as simple and skilless as wow.
Age of conan = a pvp game, with siege combat, free for all pvp servers, city building, combat like in the elder scrolls 3 by the looks of things etc its for those that like pvp, with rts elements, conan, and siege combat.
So no it wont kill either they are not really competing with each other since its a different fan base.
Half assed monsters? I might bite on that comment had I not read REH's work. Robert E. Howard INVENTED sword and sorcery, and the monsters he used are not the unimaginative drivel that you read about in Tolkiens cheap knockoff crap. They are monsters to be feared. Cthulhu Mythos > any crap lore Blizzard could ever write + anything Tolkein ever wrote.
I know you are not comparing WOW's 2004 engine to a game that will use DX10, and somehow putting WOW on top. Or are you like the millions of mindless fools who compare grainy AOC videos to the complete version of WOW and then say AOC has bad graphics? News flash skippy: the crap video you see on graintube looks nothing like a PC game!
For the record, games do not kill each other in terms of numbers or sales. It simply does not happen that way. What does happen is that a game comes along to offers more, and some people play it, but some don't. Since Conan got over 100,000 BETA signups in a week, I personally anticipate over 1 Million subscribers in the first few months.
good point. as far as AOC i already Pre-ordered lol. Same Here, over 2 Months Ago Now.............Heh.