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Star Wars Galaxies: House Pack-Up Postponed
Szark
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The House Pack-Up event scheduled for June 5th has been postponed until June 12th on account of some unresolved bugs which SOE says still need to be worked out before the event can proceed.
Folks,
We have decided to postpone for one week the House Pack-Up event until Tuesday, June 12th. We still have a few open bugs with vendor pack-up (vendor pack-up working completely is one of the requirements for this event). While these problems are edge cases, meaning that they would happen only in odd circumstances, they are still possible and we certainly do not want to have folks lose their stuff during this event. I know that many guilds and other groups have been planning there strategies for the event, so I wanted to give folks a heads-up now to give them time to adjust their plans.
We will be adding an new step to the overall process as well. We plan on Thursday next week to 'unabandon' all structures belonging to those players that have resubscribed during the special trial period. This should give people plenty of time to check their structures and be sure that there are no errors in the houses to be packed. We are also planning to release a hotfix next Tuesday, June 5th, which address some of the current issues on live.
Once again, we are sorry that we need to postpone the event for a bit, and I hope that people can adjust their plans accordingly. We will always strive to error on the side of caution when dealing with things as important as player items in the game.
Thank you and have a great weekend,
DM
Read the announcement here.
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Love that last part. Should be apended to say
"We will always strive to error on the side of caution when dealing with things as important as player items in the game, Unless you have been playing the game for three years, at that point, that blaster you had and quested for and had made, you can't use it, we also went ahead and removed your profession"
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"We will always strive to error on the side of caution when dealing with things as important as player items in the game, Unless you have been playing the game for three years, at that point, that blaster you had and quested for and had made, you can't use it, we also went ahead and removed your profession"
I'm no huge fan of the NGE, but dude I'm over it. People have to get over this. It's just pathetic to keep ragging on this game two years later.
Not to mention, I rather like the tone DeadMeat is setting with SWG-NGE now. A better interpretation of "We will always strive to error on the side of caution when dealing with things as important as player items in the game, " would be "While I, DM, am at the helm, we will always strive to error on the side of caution....<snip>" This is the second publish/event that he's pushed because things weren't ready, and I applaud him for that. This is not the SOP typical of SOE, and he should be encouraged to continue his rebellious ways.
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I'm willing to bet my 5 mil cred geo-blaster and the 200,000 units or rori avian meat my buddy martuk spent 80 mil to get right before the cu, all rendered useless by the cu that this housing purge winds up as just another collosal foul-up in the dirtiest game on the net.
And don't give me that "It's better now, they're re-introducing pre-cu elements" bull. I remember how it was, and no matter how much they try to make it seem that way, the more they'll remind us of what was taken away.
"We will always strive to error on the side of caution when dealing with things as important as player items in the game, Unless you have been playing the game for three years, at that point, that blaster you had and quested for and had made, you can't use it, we also went ahead and removed your profession"
I'm no huge fan of the NGE, but dude I'm over it. People have to get over this. It's just pathetic to keep ragging on this game two years later.
Not to mention, I rather like the tone DeadMeat is setting with SWG-NGE now. A better interpretation of "We will always strive to error on the side of caution when dealing with things as important as player items in the game, " would be "While I, DM, am at the helm, we will always strive to error on the side of caution....<snip>" This is the second publish/event that he's pushed because things weren't ready, and I applaud him for that. This is not the SOP typical of SOE, and he should be encouraged to continue his rebellious ways.
Play for three years, be lied to, have your preferred mode of entertainment completely removed from you (in a moments notice), have everything you acquired during your time rendered worthless, your profession ETC.. Including relationships with others in the game removed. Then come back. 3 years.
I have moved on, but im not going to forget, and i hope other developers never do as
You don’t throw out your loyal player base for a less literate, more casual player base. well.
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Yea, i'm over it too. and I'll make sure everyone knows exactly what it is i'm over.
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"We will always strive to error on the side of caution when dealing with things as important as player items in the game, Unless you have been playing the game for three years, at that point, that blaster you had and quested for and had made, you can't use it, we also went ahead and removed your profession"
I'm no huge fan of the NGE, but dude I'm over it. People have to get over this. It's just pathetic to keep ragging on this game two years later.
Not to mention, I rather like the tone DeadMeat is setting with SWG-NGE now. A better interpretation of "We will always strive to error on the side of caution when dealing with things as important as player items in the game, " would be "While I, DM, am at the helm, we will always strive to error on the side of caution....<snip>" This is the second publish/event that he's pushed because things weren't ready, and I applaud him for that. This is not the SOP typical of SOE, and he should be encouraged to continue his rebellious ways.
Play for three years, be lied to, have your preferred mode of entertainment completely removed from you (in a moments notice), have everything you acquired during your time rendered worthless, your profession ETC.. Including relationships with others in the game removed. Then come back. 3 years.
I have moved on, but im not going to forget, and i hope other developers never do as
You don’t throw out your loyal player base for a less literate, more casual player base. well.
How about being in the beta, beta testing JTL, working my droid engineer on day one from zero cash to multi-millions in credits on my sales alone, changing to Creature Handler, mastering it, only to have it completely removed from the game.
Cry me a river. You are not the ONLY one to have this happen to them. I left in disgust just like many. Difference is, I'm not dwelling on it any longer like some seem to be. I am wary of SOE to this day, but when one of their developers, namely DM, is doing good things berating them for sins passed is ridiculous. Just maybe they've learned from some of their mistakes. If we offer no forgiveness in the face of their attempts to change, then they have no incentive to change.
In your post you chided them for having bugs that pushed the patch. I suspect you'd be as equally abrasive if they had released the patch with obvious bugs. To wit, there's no pleasing you, and thus your opinion becomes irrelevant.
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Great way to waste money... but i wont stop you though
As for the postponed pack-up: Shucks!
I /agree. My 14 day free trial ended last night, though I have an agreement with the wife to wait till payday to re-up in SWG. I packed up my houses for safe keeping before I left the NGE, and I packed them up again last night till I actually renew my subscription, why risk it? I would recommend all pack up housing the eve of the destruction, in case SOE gets it wrong.
During my 14 day trial I have noticed these improvements to SWG.
1. The dawning of Beastmaster skillz have brought back pets, and some outlandish mounts never before seen. Rancor, Graul, and one spiney from Mustafar to name a few. Be warned, the start up costs may be difficult if you are just begining the beastmaster skill tree. My own MCH is keeping his pets, I started an trader alt to begin to test the new pet system and storage without risking my older uber pets to premature decisions of stuffing or dna sampling in a vain hope, maybe SWG will allow veteran CH's to use them again after all. I think SOE realized we veteran Creature Handlers voted with our subscription fee when the NGE came out. They want us back, so far they have only given us half of what they took. Albeit now a Beastmaster is a cross between BioEngineer and Creature Handler. Veteran BIO Engineers should return to take advantage of the pet decor shortage for housing. Their old pets are a commodity.
2. This new chapter has caused alot of Veterans to return. There is a sense of reunions occuring in SWG, though muted, as alot of veterans are faced with a 10 level grind to 90, gui re-orientation, and other issues, like where to find decent lightsaber mats. Read the forums to gain your edge. Knowledge is power.
3. It was nice seeing all my old houses and junk again. Macros nerfed have been fixed. I can move objects and command droids again. Wise traders list weapon skill level before the weapon name to ease shopping. Armor is a mystery again. Seen new types. Confirmed Jedi class armors besides Jedi Knight robes issued at level 90. Looks like there are a ton of spys and commandos and BH's for dps classes.
4. Restuss is a true PVP zone, a destroyed city in ruins with a ton of places to hide and spring ambushes, also witnessed a huge shuttle dropping off a squad of stormtroopers, a shuttle class only seen normally in orbit. I found that scene to be a very nice touch.
5. More Content, quests, and fewer bugs, though some still remain which are kinda nostalgic...snap backs....lag in cantinas....noob quest spawn area competition with other players....it pays to be level 90. Vacant medical facilities....as a former master Doctor too, I find that still heart breaking. One thing WOW has over SWG is the character "jump". Its really bad in SWG. But we can walk up shear cliffs and ride really fast in comparison to WOW,
Compared to other chat where ppl are wondering what they can do while waiting for something new to come out. SWG is a viable alternative till something better comes along.
I forgot to add.
Your veteran rewards.
They will still award them too you upon your return. You should see SOE/SWG website to see what they are before you make any rash decisions if you accept the free trial offer to "just look around". After all, For those of you who were Uber 2 years before I even logged on for the 1st time, would'nt you want to check out the new perks?
nice and all..but this is about the postponed house pack-up
the "Doing-advertisement-for-SOE-cause-they-refuse-to" can be done in another thread if you really want to
Hey if you enjoy this game as it is, more power to you. But don't come here saying what a great game it is.
We all know what a great game it was and what it isn't today.
Is this house-packup supposed to draw us back or something? Yikes! My houses and factory farms were filled with resources...which are all useless in NGE SWG, so why even bother? Just clear out the landscape, shut down some servers, move the dev team to something else, and let this poor game rest in peace. It would be kinder than this constant attempt at keeping it on life-support.
For those of you who like the NGE, and I just can't believe there's very many, well...if you only knew what the game USED to be. Very sad.
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"I know what you're thinking: 'Why, oh WHY, didn't I take the BLUE pill?'"
Waiting to get something right? Concerned about player items? Trying to give people notice of upcoming changes to previously announced plans? Wow, SWG sure could have used a dose of that kind of thinking at release, again at the CU, and definitely at the time of the NGE. Whoever is responsible for this new philosophy in SWG, it has been needed in a reeeeally big way. It's good to see the change.
For some of us it's too little too late, but THAT is the way to deal with players/customers. NOT like the NGE when we were so bugged we couldn't chat, walk, or use our combat specials. NOT like the NGE when our high priced items, or loot that we got in expansions we just bought were "disabled". NOT like the NGE where our veteran rewards were removed from the game.
If this approach had been taken earlier, a lot more players would be enjoying themselves in the galaxy far away. Still, I'm glad to see someone has finally come to their senses.
Arc
Yea, i'm over it too. and I'll make sure everyone knows exactly what it is i'm over.
Yeah I feel about the same. I'm over being upset about it, made my peace, accepted my losses, reinvested in other fun stuff online, but I also like letting people know how SOE has treated people over the last few years. I see forums as kind of a "lemon-aid" guide, telling you pros and cons of games, and giving people a look at the track record of gaming companies. SOE has a brutal track record, and people should know about it. If new staff want to put a new face on SOE, they'll have to work pretty hard to earn the trust back that others destroyed. Also, it would be a big help if SOE had new management. The same guy is running the show, and he damaged his credibility repeatedly by the way his company treated the SWG player community.
Arc
The problem with you "warning people about what the game used to be" is that not everyone from Pre-CU/NGE thinks the changes are for the worse. Personally I think the changes were pretty nice. Only thing I'd be mad about is how it was sprung on us with so little/no warning.
I would've prefered to see SWG released as the NGE from the get go instead of first giving us a broken game, then trying to fix it. Sadly, I can't deny there are still a lot of broken things and at this rate, will always be.
That aside, it's enjoyable.
Back to the subject, it is nice to see SOE is taking more time to let players prepare for the changes this time. Maybe they'll seriously consider a server consolidation to give the active players more people to interact with. I wouldn't doubt seeing a few severs at their best would do the game a world of good.
For SWG, the first step to merge servers is to clean up (pack up what is on the current ones). Once every account is taken care of (stored or active) then small servers will be given the option to move to larger servers.
/Wave to ArcAngel3
How about being in the beta, beta testing JTL, working my droid engineer on day one from zero cash to multi-millions in credits on my sales alone, changing to Creature Handler, mastering it, only to have it completely removed from the game.
Cry me a river. You are not the ONLY one to have this happen to them. I left in disgust just like many. Difference is, I'm not dwelling on it any longer like some seem to be. I am wary of SOE to this day, but when one of their developers, namely DM, is doing good things berating them for sins passed is ridiculous. Just maybe they've learned from some of their mistakes. If we offer no forgiveness in the face of their attempts to change, then they have no incentive to change.
In your post you chided them for having bugs that pushed the patch. I suspect you'd be as equally abrasive if they had released the patch with obvious bugs. To wit, there's no pleasing you, and thus your opinion becomes irrelevant.
Bla bla bla....... who said i was the only one? Im not dwelling on jack...... bla bla bla...
They haven’t learned crap or we would have Pre-CU back.
Ill say what I want.
I see news, I post my opinion, I do not post about SWG constantly, and I don’t, like you, post to defend the despicable actions taken by this team, nor do I continue to perpetuate it and make it "ok" that it was done using my subscription money.
I don't give two craps about its current playerbase, i feel sorry for them, they are playing the shell of a once great game.
Later.
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How are you?" -Me
I think its cool people are playing it and enjoying it. My time there is done. Im only going to get screwed over once. For all the people that say SOE has learned from their past mistakes I hope so for your sake. I really have a hard time believing that one that though.
I do find it kind of sad that people get so excited when they bring back some of the things they took out instead of adding new content. Got to give SOE credit on that one. Why spend money developing anything new when you can rehash the stuff you yanked out and pass it off as new and exciting. Maybe even "iconic" and "star warsy". This is the cycle of SWG that I just dont want to be involved with again.
Im not mad or bitter about the NGE. I have moved on. When you sit back and watch though its kind of amazing. People are so starving for something new they praise the devs when they reintroduce old stuff. Its like 40 steps backwards to take one step forward. People are just so happy for that one step forward they forget they were already there.
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"The NGE Sucks."
On Nov. 15 2005, The New Game Enhancment sucked the established world simulator machanics from SWG. It was stated that "we are in the business of making fun and not world simulators." The NGE sucked active player communities from the game when it sucked mundane grind out for its simple linear quest progression. The NGE sucked unique custom character skill templates from the game with its set 9 profession classes for ease of play and understanding. The NGE sucked the value and use of quality crafted good for its instant rewards for questing progression. The NGE sucked years of effort for great achievement (for some) away to replace it with instant low reward. The NGE sucked away established classes with unique playstyle in exchange for making a unlocked class a starting profession. The NGE sucked the life force (and Force[stat was lost]) from SWG in an effort to mimic the success of the top MMO in the market.
"Why?"
SWG sold 500k units of the base game. It was reported it sold 1mil units but that total is padded with expansions. The most maintained subscriptions that can be semi guessed at is 350k at its peak. Subs were dropping since the launch of game on June 26, 2003. Lucas Arts marketed and polled leaving players on why they didn't stay. Further, LA did focus groups on the fun and playablity of SWG to non-subscribers and devoted alike. Thier research seems to lead to the general acceptance that Casual Players didn't like it. This was underscored with the launch of World of Warcraft around a year later. The CU was an attempt for SOE to change the game to fit the research. The NGE was a directed responce by LA to the success of WOW. At first SOE worked very hard to make SWG the best of MMORPG's at its launch. LA, however, didn't care if SWG was cutting edge or groundbreaking, they wanted to capitalize on this market and felt the Star Wars Intectual Property should have the clout to break Linage and Linage 2's subscription numbers. Then WOW changed the bench mark and the target demographic of SWG with disreguard to the current player base. Forum posts were ignored, promises broken and people were fired to give SWG a face lift to its new audiance. LA was willing to trade the pithy then 200k subs for a Million subs that they were sure to get. There magic formula was missing the real key problem.
"Star Wars Galaxies has at no time (pre-9, pre-CU, CU or NGE) been a bug free, polished, stable, or completed game to the general accptance of the common MMO market."
"I will just wait for a new Star Wars MMO"
Strong rumor of this is probably true. I do not know if BioWare is making the new KOTOR mmo or if another company is working on a Clone Wars MMO. The chances are good that Lucas Arts will try another stab in the market and the Star Wars universe is diverse enough to handle a second outing. It will most likely be a game just like WOW and not a world simulator that is casual player friendly. It will be easy to get in and get out with little commitment. A second MMO for Star Wars, however, could not be developed in a reasonable time frame to meet the scheduled Star Wars events that this product will be used to promote. This reason is why SWG has been the victum of change instead of a new game being promoted.
"F*** SOE, they ruined my game life."
SOE has made some mistakes and hurt thier relationship with many of its subscribers is true. SWG is the unique case of two companies trying to make a profit in fairly new and rising market. Both companies are big with simular goals of raising profit margins. SOE has the responcablity to make said game work and fun where Lucas Arts promotes and license the game for maximum coverage. I would not be far off by saying that the goals and demands of one company are often in conflict with limits of the other. This unduely resulted in contriditions to game play mechanics that took years to fix. SOE's reputation is not limited to the mark of SWG. EQ and EQ2 have had enough troubles to color a few experiances of subscribers. Matrix Online is another limited IP that SOE feels they saved but really just prolonged its life a little further. Vanguard is a interesting case of saving a game from its own mismanagement. SOE took it on from Microsoft baling out to help fill out its Station Pass and keep its profits from taking away from EQ2. Trouble is its already looking to do a server merge. Time will tell if DC Hereos Online and the new Spy MMO will be of any worth. Where the hate to SOE comes from seems to be on the lack luster release of products that have bugs for month or years before they are fixed on subscription moneys. The "punch in the nose" for SOE was Blizzards launch of WOW with quickly fixed bugs and a fairly easy player enterance to the game. What WOW did was lower the bar of easy gameplay enterance allowing for casual player an equal ground to the advance (Hard Core) players while raising the bar on the quality acceptance of a released MMO.
"The NGE of today is not the NGE of yesterday."
For the first time in four years the now reduced development team (20) of SWG has started to pursue fixing the game to the wishes of the playerbase. Polls were conducted and responded to. Moving forward they are working to fix longstanding issues along with adding new material that has been demanded for along time. The trouble is that the NGE framework is the system that they have to work with. This leads to old functions being re-invented and implemented. In this case Beast Master (formally Creature Handler) gets the "Re-gift" tag when its really new to this system. Slowly, some existing system are being replaced with better working and better understood (and documented) code for the betterment of the playing experance. Simply, the team knows the NGE Sucked and they are corking the void with new constuction (I.E., Expertise, BM, Achievement System, Restuus, Revamped Theme Parks etc. etc.) This freer communication by the developers and easier results system changes coupled with the downsizing of the team tells me that Lucas Arts said:
"F*** it, just make the thing work. We will work on other projects." Lucas Arts still has to approve of new art and check legal of new systems and such but its at a cut priority. There is a new Mutated Rancor for BM. He has many large horns. This same creature is used in SW: Forced Unleased as a Bull Rancor. This is a case were art assest are being shared across games. A hand-me-down to SWG. But at least work is going forward.
Why wont they just give us classic servers? Why? Why? Why? The code of the Pre-NGE is to mucked up to fix. The lead designer does not have the resources to re-animate the old code and keep working on the new code. They are completely incompatible except for art. Further, the NGE code starts as a simple system that can be built on without spending time researching old code to figure out how it works or doesn't work. Just make new, in other words. A year and a half after the fact the NGE is now starting to be a playable game enviroment. All of the names that you associate with the NGE's promotion are gone now. Julio is on Force Unleashed, Nancy left LA for another game company, Helios, Rogue5, and the others have been reasigned to other SOE projects. Blixtev is now Lead Designer and was very constructive in the CU. Much of what the SWG forums is seeing is a return to World Simulator systems through his team. Combat is tougher, new rewards favor crafter input (Treasure Maps) and finally Content is trickling in.
"Will people play SWG?"
It can only happen as a slow process. As the changes happen more and more players will join. Everyperson has a threshold of what they will accept. For some, they will never return and carry thier contempt as a badge of honor. Others start seeing friends having fun and talking about thier new experiance softing thier resolve and will give it a try. The point for me is if they can break my overall problem with SWG, "bug free, polished, stable and complete" they have a chance to accelerate the positive results and change the total image.
In closing, Blixtev has stated there is a date for the "end" of Star Wars Galaxies but it is some time off. I would not be surprised that date plays closely with the release of a new Star Wars Online.
It can only happen as a slow process. As the changes happen more and more players will join. Everyperson has a threshold of what they will accept. For some, they will never return and carry thier contempt as a badge of honor. Others start seeing friends having fun and talking about thier new experiance softing thier resolve and will give it a try. The point for me is if they can break my overall problem with SWG, "bug free, polished, stable and complete" they have a chance to accelerate the positive results and change the total image.
In closing, Blixtev has stated there is a date for the "end" of Star Wars Galaxies but it is some time off. I would not be surprised that date plays closely with the release of a new Star Wars Online.
Well, Since SOE in their infinite wisdom decided to ban my accounts for something I roleplayed in their Forums and then 22 months later said Just Kidding and hand me the half eaten , dog haired melted candy bar of SWG know as the NGE.... well my friend , what do you think my threshold should be. Well I will tell you ...PRE-CU servers or SERVER SHUTDOWN ....NEXT!
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