Just that is not as indepth strategy like Guild Wars , and it has monthly fee.
Only good thing going for this game is their graphic department...
Hmm? I'd like to know where you assummed this from..
Let me guess 'It has instances it's published by NC so it MUST be GW..' by that logic Dungeon Runners is also GW...
Try again..
Me too.......
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I'm really hyped, and hopefully, the taking of territory will replace "farming"
"Hmm.. what to do today? Don't feel like questing/raiding, I'll go farm". And instead of killing the same mob over and over, just get some friends together and help take over the map. That kind of gameplay will keep me hooked.
That was the BEST aspect of UO pvp back in the day, with the faction system. You fought over towns and territory, not farming points to buy better gear. And, they were the ONLY ones still, to this day, that could pull that off with the Felucca/Trammel split. Everyone, and every server, could PVP or PVE when they wanted to. Just had to get a moonstone or whatever they were lol.
UO was the best PVP system, and I know, even if not at release, RG and TR will delivery the goods.
As far as skipping dialog text, maybe Voiceovers are in order for this kind of a game. The game sounds fund, and keeping the reviewer in mind (VG is "the shitt", and not into FPS's), i bet its allot more fun and engaging than this article leads you to think.
Good article nonetheless.
Don't get me wrong, I think TR is a fun game and I feel like it introduces a lot of new elements to MMOs - I LOVE bringing tactics back into battle. I had a lot of fun just finding new areas and figuring out how to combat the enemies there - is there a shield drone I have to get close to? A security camera I have to avoid? A linker I need to kill as fast as humanly possible?
My problem is that I'm not really feeling the world immersiveness that I think they're aiming for - I think they have the pieces in place, but they need to find a way to bring the user closer to that. I also didn't feel much quest direction, but it's still a ways from launch. It's got my attention, which is no small task, but that leads to the next task: Keeping it.
Fair enough, but i think its safe to say you prefer fantasy over Si-fi...right?
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
You may not remember me... I was "Premium" on the CoH/CoX boards
(CuppaJo is in charge of the community for Tabula Rasa and former Community Director...?(or something like that) for City of Heroes)
You know what you guys need? A good cinematic giving everyone an idea what the TR world is about.... something giving us a feel for the game and what can be expected. (and not just people shooting floaties).
I find a video does the job real quick in a very efficient manner.
I have one question: what is the point of a game so fast paced it slams you through without story where there is no PvP? At least if they are slaming you through sans immersion to end game PvP, there is a purpose. Maybe I'll play, but most likely not until they add PvP. The game and setting seems so perfect for it too, that's what is sad. It could have been the game that changed MMOs forever by pitting the invasion forces against the "good guys" and making battles matter.
The lack of some planned pvp at launch also bothers me, because (even limited) pvp does facilitate the creation of player created content. I am not an all-out no-holds-barred pvp player, I do enjoy voluntary pvp though. The lack of a planned pvp system at launch makes me think there is no way they will get it right the first time in a patch or expansion.
I think they meant Clan pvp holding/losing outposts is not in for release.
They were certainly talking about having voluntary - dueling and group pvp in for launch.
I could be wrong on that though.
Individual housing - I just dont see that fitting the war setting. I would like to see clan bases though.
This game has changed directions so much you might be right. I hope so TBH. At least that way they will have to think the system out from the get go. I don't want to play another game where 'strategy" means strafe .
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
I have one question: what is the point of a game so fast paced it slams you through without story where there is no PvP? At least if they are slaming you through sans immersion to end game PvP, there is a purpose. Maybe I'll play, but most likely not until they add PvP. The game and setting seems so perfect for it too, that's what is sad. It could have been the game that changed MMOs forever by pitting the invasion forces against the "good guys" and making battles matter.
There is PvP in game already. Whoa hey. Okay someone from NC said there is pvp, I'll take their word for it, assuming you are who you say you are!?
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
If PVP turns out to be as good as it sounds, with soft lock, strategy and whatnot I could bite into this one for some time. Especialy since STO is trying to be TR or Huxley with ship mounts and RPG combat. Hmmm, even writing that makes me cringe in fear.
there is another hand on preview at gamespot, with also a video interview of garriot, very nice and all.
I applaud Lord British for the risks he is taking and for the innovative features he is injecting in the game, dynamic outpost fight that will determine what spawn where is a great thing only partially seen before in the likeness of daoc.
Branching quests are absolutly new and I think it is a great idea to differentiate people from each other.
The possibilities for end game pvp and stuff are enticing and the whole design seems to be innovative.
I look forward to see if they can keep faith on their claim of using instances in a meaningful way.
The logos language just add to the complexity and immersion of this all.
I am puzzled on how people would compare this game with guild wars. yeah they both have instance but this is not 100% instanced.... well whatever.
finally, I do hope we will be able to read the stories at release, this is an rpg after all and stories should be a big part of the game.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Having read the previews from other sites that seem to have attended the same day - gamespy, ign, 1up, curse
it seems the staff writer could have written a lot more. Did you attend the same day?
One of the sites worte about being shown the hall of games with things from every game Richard Garriott has worked on - including the original apple 2 he wrote his first game on.
Okay it was nothing to do with T.R but a nice touch.
Looks like they did a big news day with lots of people attending.
The Stalker is another interesting enemy that requires a thoughtful approach. This giant walker is armed with a powerful turret that turns oh so slowly. As long as you can circle around or get behind cover before the turret is aimed in your direction, you should be safe. Unfortunately, the Stalker also comes equipped with a massive plasma disc bomb launcher that can lay waste to anyone who happens to get caught in its range. Fortunately, you can see the bomb charging up well before it drops.
As a nice incentive for players to get out in the open rather than simply hiding behind boxes and benches all day, the game rewards recklessness with experience bonuses. The more kills you rack up in a row, the higher your experience multiplier will grow. If you take a break to breathe, or worse yet actually heal, the multiplier drops dramatically.
Unfortunately, the enemies you'll be facing happen to have their own Logos users. Known as Linkers, these energy-flinging, world-twisting ne'er-do-wells aren't afraid to use the full extent of their powers on anyone who gets in their way. Worse still, they tend to travel in groups
You won't have to actually be present at a base to know when one needs to be defended. To give players a cue to enter the action, NPCs will start giving out missions to defend or attack a base. Fortunately, it's much easier to get to the fight than simply facing the waypoint and hitting the "run" key. The worlds of Tabula Rasa are full of waypoint teleporters that, once discovered, allow for instantaneous transport from one to another. Getting around is simply a matter of finding them and then using them
Garriott strives to ensure that they've taken a different approach to instances. The story is focused around the player, and instances are designed with more of a single-player action-adventure game feel than your typical MMO instance. A good comparison to a game that does them similar is Guild Wars - where instances are used to introduce you to and take you through evolving story arcs in the game world, in such a way that they can be personalized to the player. Players will not just be facing wave after wave of AI-driven creatures, but will also have to solve puzzles and overcome obstacles within the instance.
One example, in the demo we were given a tour of, was figuring out a way to get past an alarm system without triggering it. It's not entirely clear-cut, and takes some thinking, rather than just brute force.
They also got some information on a tier 4 specialist class - the Engineer
Engineers can make all sorts of gadgets, and even lay turrets and mines that assist you in defeating creatures. Engineers can also create Temporary Wormholes, a micro-mechanical construct that gives the squad field access to the planet's teleportation network, for a few minutes at a time.
the gamespy article is extremely well written and has some good examples of the ethical parables. Well worth the read.
There are machines in the bases where players can bring salvage to craft. Some items make themselves available immediately, while others need some time to "percolate." Both crafting items and recipes you find as drops, although you can buy certain common things from NPCs
and some more info on PvP
The game, at its core, is PvE -- no evil Bane players at the moment-- but there will be a system incorporated to fight with friends. Duels, party feuds, and clan wars are all possible and faction-controlled planet bases are under consideration for future expansions.
Anyway ignoring the oddness above... Althogh many players would be going ZOMG! it's not a true FPSMMO as it has targeting!! I do actally like the idea of soft targeting as long as it comes with some sort of limitation (for example guns overheat more, if they actally will overheat that is) but I also like it becuase although it's kinda FPS ish the softtargeting also allows the non-elite shooters out there to enjoy the game (I know I'm one of them) also as it stated in the article it speeds up the gameplay a lot more as you'll spend more time moving and less time aiming.. The only problem a forsee with these types of games is lag, lag will deffinitly disrupt and destroy gameplay theres nothing like shooting a ton of buttles that don't actally do anything for at least 6 seconds but then you suddenly fllop over as about 60 have only just registered hitting you and you'll have no idea where they came from.. As long as the servers can cope with the numbers of players (and on the client side their pcs can run the numbers ok) I see a lot of fun from this... Shotgun anyone?
Garriott described "autoattack" and turn-based gameplay as a result of lag - but he also pointed out that, in the years since the days of UO and EQ, our technology and connections have gotten just a little better. With the sticky targetting I really didn't have trouble with "lag" messing up my shot, and hitting the tab key ensures you stay on your target very well.
As for shotguns...I'm a sniper type of gal, but I found a mean EMP shotgun that really worked wonders on the mechs. Pwehee.
Laura "Taera" Genender Community Manager MMORPG.com
The lack of some planned pvp at launch also bothers me, because (even limited) pvp does facilitate the creation of player created content. I am not an all-out no-holds-barred pvp player, I do enjoy voluntary pvp though. The lack of a planned pvp system at launch makes me think there is no way they will get it right the first time in a patch or expansion.
I think they meant Clan pvp holding/losing outposts is not in for release.
They were certainly talking about having voluntary - dueling and group pvp in for launch.
I could be wrong on that though.
Individual housing - I just dont see that fitting the war setting. I would like to see clan bases though.
Yes, you can duel.
Big all out guild/clan wars aren't in - yet - though.
Laura "Taera" Genender Community Manager MMORPG.com
I personally like text or storyline (in whatever form) in MMORPGs and would not be interested in a game that is little more than a MMOG form of Unreal or Quake. I am really looking forward to this game, though.
That said, one way to get past the problem of trying to read a lengthy dialogue while ducking incoming would be to have the questgiver download the text to some sort of handheld, much like WoW does. The person gives you the quest and you accept. If you missed something you can go back and read it at your convenience.
"Heck, what did I just volunteer for?" *takes out the handheld and reads the brief while wolfing down some rations*
"Crap, not THAT!" Heheh.
Housing could be cool if you think in terms of "temporary" housing. SWG's housing was temporary in that manner. A whole town could lift up and move if it wanted to or had to (like, if it became a favorite migration place for Krayt Dragons before anyone could kill them).
Factions sound interesting but if some players get more interested in killing other players rather than aliens because of the same old tired excuse that there is more challenge then the game will decay into a gankfest with very little point. I think it is the hope of game designers that the players will take interest in the content before worrying about becoming the uberest PvPer on the server.
I personally like text or storyline (in whatever form) in MMORPGs and would not be interested in a game that is little more than a MMOG form of Unreal or Quake. I am really looking forward to this game, though.
That said, one way to get past the problem of trying to read a lengthy dialogue while ducking incoming would be to have the questgiver download the text to some sort of handheld, much like WoW does. The person gives you the quest and you accept. If you missed something you can go back and read it at your convenience.
"Heck, what did I just volunteer for?" *takes out the handheld and reads the brief while wolfing down some rations*
"Crap, not THAT!" Heheh.
Housing could be cool if you think in terms of "temporary" housing. SWG's housing was temporary in that manner. A whole town could lift up and move if it wanted to or had to (like, if it became a favorite migration place for Krayt Dragons before anyone could kill them).
Factions sound interesting but if some players get more interested in killing other players rather than aliens because of the same old tired excuse that there is more challenge then the game will decay into a gankfest with very little point. I think it is the hope of game designers that the players will take interest in the content before worrying about becoming the uberest PvPer on the server.
I used to feel the way you do.... Before I played twenty different mmo's with the same pve content with little variations.
The problem with pve focused mmos, and I think this will become more prevalent as the newer generation of mmo'rs that were introduced to the genre by games like World of Warcraft, is more and more veteran gamers are becoming jaded with the same "been there, done that" feeling.
Let's say you spend 10 days of real world time leveling your character, what do you have to show for it other than some 1's and 0's as a digital record of your time spent ingame? At the end of the day you beat artificial intelligence that, and let's face it, is so easy children can do it. At least in pvp I know I beat another human being and yes I still only have 1's and 0's to show for it but at least I know I accomplished something the person I beat, did not. Or I help my team capture the opposing factions city and my time spent impacted the gameworld for that day.
Anyone can level a character. And when you've done it so many times in so many games it doesn't hold the same meaning it did as when you leveled that first character. Don't get me wrong there will always be pve focused games around but I think they, and the people that play them, will gradually become the minority.
The same applies to PvP, the boredom that arises from redundancy and repetition.
Right now I am playing WoW, and after taking the resources in Arathi over and over or capturing the flag in Warsong over and over it all becomes the same. PvP combat is usually over so fast that it is rare to actually learn from it. It is not fencing - it is adherence to gear standards and template builds that usually decide who wins and who loses. Some skill is involved, but the majority of skill is in escaping.
The kiter wins. The twink wins. The ganker wins. The toe-to-toe fighter usually gets triple teamed and dies (by the kiter, the twink and the ganker).
There will only be fewer PvE players when MMOGs cease to be interesting to us. I already see that a MMORPG has less attraction than a single player game like Morrowind, for example, but it is possible to continue to build an environment that keeps even the most avid explorer occupied for awhile. The story is necessary to make all the things on the map make sense, otherwise, who cares? It might as well just be a big green box you play in to beat up other players. Terrain, at this stage in the game, has little meaning.
TR seems to be a step in the right direction toward remedying that particular issue - if cover makes a difference, for example, then diving for cover will be a meaningful maneuver. I find being shot through a wall annoying.
You have much to learn young padewan. You use WoW as your template for all mmo pvp. WoW pvp is flawed. Not the best example to make your case on.
Face it, pure pve enthusiasts are a dieing breed. They won't become extinct but they will be on the endangered list.
I agree Wows pvp has little to do with skill , tho skill does play a role.
Play daoc templates help but skill is 1000x more useful.
its pvp is faster then wows but you learn fast because there is something to learn because skill plays a part in the outcome.
That being said i have totally outskilled people in Wow but equip >>>> skill in WoW.
I have followed TR for a long time... i am not impressed now. Not hatin' just statin'.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
"Face it, pure pve enthusiasts are a dieing breed. They won't become extinct but they will be on the endangered list. "
I'd like to know where you dug up that bit of foolishness. First you say Wow's pvp is horrible then you try to tell us that dedicated pve'ers are a dying breed? Nothing like contradicting yourself. Wow has so many subscriptions due to the Pve, not pvp.
Just to clue you in, pve games do much better in the marketplace than pvp games. That is a fact you will have to deal with.
It is such a well known fact that Turbine released Lotro without pvp and it is quite successful.
I am just waiting for some examples to attempt to prove your point.
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Hmm? I'd like to know where you assummed this from..
Let me guess 'It has instances it's published by NC so it MUST be GW..' by that logic Dungeon Runners is also GW...
Try again..
Me too.......
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UO was my original MMO and I loved it.
I put faith in RG and Tabula Rasa for that.
I'm really hyped, and hopefully, the taking of territory will replace "farming"
"Hmm.. what to do today? Don't feel like questing/raiding, I'll go farm". And instead of killing the same mob over and over, just get some friends together and help take over the map. That kind of gameplay will keep me hooked.
That was the BEST aspect of UO pvp back in the day, with the faction system. You fought over towns and territory, not farming points to buy better gear. And, they were the ONLY ones still, to this day, that could pull that off with the Felucca/Trammel split. Everyone, and every server, could PVP or PVE when they wanted to. Just had to get a moonstone or whatever they were lol.
UO was the best PVP system, and I know, even if not at release, RG and TR will delivery the goods.
Beta key please? K thanks
Don't get me wrong, I think TR is a fun game and I feel like it introduces a lot of new elements to MMOs - I LOVE bringing tactics back into battle. I had a lot of fun just finding new areas and figuring out how to combat the enemies there - is there a shield drone I have to get close to? A security camera I have to avoid? A linker I need to kill as fast as humanly possible?
My problem is that I'm not really feeling the world immersiveness that I think they're aiming for - I think they have the pieces in place, but they need to find a way to bring the user closer to that. I also didn't feel much quest direction, but it's still a ways from launch. It's got my attention, which is no small task, but that leads to the next task: Keeping it.
Fair enough, but i think its safe to say you prefer fantasy over Si-fi...right?
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How are you?" -Me
I am looking forward to the game, Garriot always challenges the norms to provide something different.
I look forward to reading more about it. Well done article by the way.
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We are working on some
I think they meant Clan pvp holding/losing outposts is not in for release.
They were certainly talking about having voluntary - dueling and group pvp in for launch.
I could be wrong on that though.
Individual housing - I just dont see that fitting the war setting. I would like to see clan bases though.
This game has changed directions so much you might be right. I hope so TBH. At least that way they will have to think the system out from the get go. I don't want to play another game where 'strategy" means strafePlayed (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
She is indeed CuppaJo the community manager for T.R
If PVP turns out to be as good as it sounds, with soft lock, strategy and whatnot I could bite into this one for some time. Especialy since STO is trying to be TR or Huxley with ship mounts and RPG combat. Hmmm, even writing that makes me cringe in fear.
I read quests
there is another hand on preview at gamespot, with also a video interview of garriot, very nice and all.
I applaud Lord British for the risks he is taking and for the innovative features he is injecting in the game, dynamic outpost fight that will determine what spawn where is a great thing only partially seen before in the likeness of daoc.
Branching quests are absolutly new and I think it is a great idea to differentiate people from each other.
The possibilities for end game pvp and stuff are enticing and the whole design seems to be innovative.
I look forward to see if they can keep faith on their claim of using instances in a meaningful way.
The logos language just add to the complexity and immersion of this all.
I am puzzled on how people would compare this game with guild wars. yeah they both have instance but this is not 100% instanced.... well whatever.
finally, I do hope we will be able to read the stories at release, this is an rpg after all and stories should be a big part of the game.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Having read the previews from other sites that seem to have attended the same day - gamespy, ign, 1up, curse
it seems the staff writer could have written a lot more. Did you attend the same day?
One of the sites worte about being shown the hall of games with things from every game Richard Garriott has worked on - including the original apple 2 he wrote his first game on.
Okay it was nothing to do with T.R but a nice touch.
Looks like they did a big news day with lots of people attending.
IGN hands on
These quotes from the curse visit
Curse visit to NCSoft
They also got some information on a tier 4 specialist class - the Engineer
the gamespy article is extremely well written and has some good examples of the ethical parables. Well worth the read.
Gamespy NCSoft visit
1Up NCSoft site visit
some information in here on the crafting
and some more info on PvP
Garriott described "autoattack" and turn-based gameplay as a result of lag - but he also pointed out that, in the years since the days of UO and EQ, our technology and connections have gotten just a little better. With the sticky targetting I really didn't have trouble with "lag" messing up my shot, and hitting the tab key ensures you stay on your target very well.
As for shotguns...I'm a sniper type of gal, but I found a mean EMP shotgun that really worked wonders on the mechs. Pwehee.
Laura "Taera" Genender
Community Manager
MMORPG.com
I think they meant Clan pvp holding/losing outposts is not in for release.
They were certainly talking about having voluntary - dueling and group pvp in for launch.
I could be wrong on that though.
Individual housing - I just dont see that fitting the war setting. I would like to see clan bases though.
Yes, you can duel.
Big all out guild/clan wars aren't in - yet - though.
Laura "Taera" Genender
Community Manager
MMORPG.com
I personally like text or storyline (in whatever form) in MMORPGs and would not be interested in a game that is little more than a MMOG form of Unreal or Quake.
That said, one way to get past the problem of trying to read a lengthy dialogue while ducking incoming would be to have the questgiver download the text to some sort of handheld, much like WoW does. The person gives you the quest and you accept. If you missed something you can go back and read it at your convenience.
"Heck, what did I just volunteer for?" *takes out the handheld and reads the brief while wolfing down some rations*
"Crap, not THAT!" Heheh.
Housing could be cool if you think in terms of "temporary" housing. SWG's housing was temporary in that manner. A whole town could lift up and move if it wanted to or had to (like, if it became a favorite migration place for Krayt Dragons before anyone could kill them).
Factions sound interesting but if some players get more interested in killing other players rather than aliens because of the same old tired excuse that there is more challenge then the game will decay into a gankfest with very little point. I think it is the hope of game designers that the players will take interest in the content before worrying about becoming the uberest PvPer on the server.
I really like what I've read in the concepts. We'll see what actually comes out but I am a fan of Sci-Fi and looking forward to this.
I used to feel the way you do.... Before I played twenty different mmo's with the same pve content with little variations.
The problem with pve focused mmos, and I think this will become more prevalent as the newer generation of mmo'rs that were introduced to the genre by games like World of Warcraft, is more and more veteran gamers are becoming jaded with the same "been there, done that" feeling.
Let's say you spend 10 days of real world time leveling your character, what do you have to show for it other than some 1's and 0's as a digital record of your time spent ingame? At the end of the day you beat artificial intelligence that, and let's face it, is so easy children can do it. At least in pvp I know I beat another human being and yes I still only have 1's and 0's to show for it but at least I know I accomplished something the person I beat, did not. Or I help my team capture the opposing factions city and my time spent impacted the gameworld for that day.
Anyone can level a character. And when you've done it so many times in so many games it doesn't hold the same meaning it did as when you leveled that first character. Don't get me wrong there will always be pve focused games around but I think they, and the people that play them, will gradually become the minority.
Right now I am playing WoW, and after taking the resources in Arathi over and over or capturing the flag in Warsong over and over it all becomes the same. PvP combat is usually over so fast that it is rare to actually learn from it. It is not fencing - it is adherence to gear standards and template builds that usually decide who wins and who loses. Some skill is involved, but the majority of skill is in escaping.
The kiter wins. The twink wins. The ganker wins. The toe-to-toe fighter usually gets triple teamed and dies (by the kiter, the twink and the ganker).
There will only be fewer PvE players when MMOGs cease to be interesting to us. I already see that a MMORPG has less attraction than a single player game like Morrowind, for example, but it is possible to continue to build an environment that keeps even the most avid explorer occupied for awhile. The story is necessary to make all the things on the map make sense, otherwise, who cares? It might as well just be a big green box you play in to beat up other players. Terrain, at this stage in the game, has little meaning.
TR seems to be a step in the right direction toward remedying that particular issue - if cover makes a difference, for example, then diving for cover will be a meaningful maneuver. I find being shot through a wall annoying.
Face it, pure pve enthusiasts are a dieing breed. They won't become extinct but they will be on the endangered list.
Play daoc templates help but skill is 1000x more useful.
its pvp is faster then wows but you learn fast because there is something to learn because skill plays a part in the outcome.
That being said i have totally outskilled people in Wow but equip >>>> skill in WoW.
I have followed TR for a long time... i am not impressed now. Not hatin' just statin'.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
"Face it, pure pve enthusiasts are a dieing breed. They won't become extinct but they will be on the endangered list. "
I'd like to know where you dug up that bit of foolishness. First you say Wow's pvp is horrible then you try to tell us that dedicated pve'ers are a dying breed? Nothing like contradicting yourself. Wow has so many subscriptions due to the Pve, not pvp.
Just to clue you in, pve games do much better in the marketplace than pvp games. That is a fact you will have to deal with.
It is such a well known fact that Turbine released Lotro without pvp and it is quite successful.
I am just waiting for some examples to attempt to prove your point.