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Black Temple Cleared!
Aseenus
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World famous Nihilum has recently downed Illidan Stormrage there for clearing BT!
BT took 2 weeks of raiding to clear, this brings up many questions but Nihilum claims "TBC raids are much harder but because its only 25 people its more organised where as 40 mans were very zerg raids"
i find this true but there only saying that so that it doesnt get buffed and they dont have to do BT again and this time not be able to clear it as easy...gg Nihilum but its getting buffed, suffer :P
ok now to get serious, grats Nihilum you guys are pro but you guys were pro'er pre-tbc
raids shouldnt be this easy and im sure many members of Nihilum and the general public will agree, raids back in the days were much better, it used to take months to clear a raid, you could be on the same boss for months, now people fly through bosses as if they are doing a normal instance, plus i liked 40 mans, first time my ex guild cleared aq40 we were on top of the world, now before i took a break from wow our guild was one of the first to take down magtheridon yet the only type of "yay" on vent we got was by one or two people, no screaming or anything, maybe because after 4 attempts we downed him....
Blizzard, in next expansion plx bring back 40 mans, thnx
what does Nihilum have to do now other then farm BT ? nothing at all (yeah ok smarty pants's we know they havnt cleared hyjal yet but they will in like 2 days, illidan is harder then archi kthnx)
How can blizzard turn this around? BT was meant to be the hardest thing, you are not prepared? bull were not lol
in about 6-7 months time im telling ya nearly all the "good guilds" will have cleared BT, what then... i highly highly doubt they will be bringing out another expansion any time soon, i even doubt they will be bringing out any more raids, whats left in outlands to bring out? it wouldnt make sence if a new raid was to come out anyways....
discuss...
BT took 2 weeks of raiding to clear, this brings up many questions but Nihilum claims "TBC raids are much harder but because its only 25 people its more organised where as 40 mans were very zerg raids"
i find this true but there only saying that so that it doesnt get buffed and they dont have to do BT again and this time not be able to clear it as easy...gg Nihilum but its getting buffed, suffer :P
ok now to get serious, grats Nihilum you guys are pro but you guys were pro'er pre-tbc
raids shouldnt be this easy and im sure many members of Nihilum and the general public will agree, raids back in the days were much better, it used to take months to clear a raid, you could be on the same boss for months, now people fly through bosses as if they are doing a normal instance, plus i liked 40 mans, first time my ex guild cleared aq40 we were on top of the world, now before i took a break from wow our guild was one of the first to take down magtheridon yet the only type of "yay" on vent we got was by one or two people, no screaming or anything, maybe because after 4 attempts we downed him....
Blizzard, in next expansion plx bring back 40 mans, thnx
what does Nihilum have to do now other then farm BT ? nothing at all (yeah ok smarty pants's we know they havnt cleared hyjal yet but they will in like 2 days, illidan is harder then archi kthnx)
How can blizzard turn this around? BT was meant to be the hardest thing, you are not prepared? bull were not lol
in about 6-7 months time im telling ya nearly all the "good guilds" will have cleared BT, what then... i highly highly doubt they will be bringing out another expansion any time soon, i even doubt they will be bringing out any more raids, whats left in outlands to bring out? it wouldnt make sence if a new raid was to come out anyways....
discuss...
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Grats to them!
Good job on the clearing of the much hyped Black Temple and death of illidan stormrage.
But to ask what is next? Well since they like to pve they will obviously do MORE pve now, let more of their guild mates get the items they want. it will be 3-5 months until the next pve encounter comes out outdoor bosses or instances the same level as BT, perhaps higher than BT to expand the wow lore?
Why do you think Blizzard won't bring out any more raid level content? It's not as if people had to wait for the first expansion pack before more raids were added (since BWL, AQ etc were all added as part of the normal upgrade process, no expansion necessary).
I can understand why Blizzard doesn't see any real pressure to release new harder content right now. Why should they spend large amounts of money rushing to develop stuff that only a single guild will be able to enjoy? I fully expect that by the time the game arrives at the situation you describe, where, in 6-7 months, a significant number of guilds have cleared BT, then more content will be available.
What I would like to see is more mid level content. Many of us have played a significant number of characters - e.g. I have run SM with 6 different characters. It would be nice if there were a few more instances to go to as we level.
And could we have more battlegrounds? Or even different random maps for the existing battleground rulesets. Probably too much to ask - they still haven't fixed all the bugs in the WSG map that's been out since release.
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I'm in a smaller raide guild, horde side, on an RPPVP server. I believe blizzard has made the instances so that all people can experience the content. It's going to take the elite guild in WoW 2 weeks...but...it's going to take a guild like i'm in, months. And, there are going to be raid guilds who never get a chance to do it (especially horde side, at least my on my server emerald dream). So, I agree 40 mans are fun, I just enjoy the fact I have a shot at the BT! Thanks for updating us on the progress of someone finally completing BT though, much appreciated.
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If you read the NA/Oceanic forums the players are blasting this guild and saying that they cheated.
It is really sad, it is times like that that I am ashamed that I am an American.
It's like a Single-Player RPG: You finish it once to get to know the storyline, and then you don't touch it anymore, because it's boring. Same mobs, same tactics, same skills, over and over again.
Finally WoW reached the point where it becomes pointless, where the Players finally reached the carrot of the "Carrot on a Stick"-Approach. There is nothing for them to do. PvP is pointless, so the achievers of those people (most of 'em will probably be achievers since they wanted to achieve the BT clearing ASAP) won't bother with it, because you gain nothing from it.
For those People who "finished" WoW, it's over now.
That's why no MMO should have an "end". Ever. WoW does, and it will have problems because of that.
I foresaw this months ago, and finally stopped playing WoW, and I won't touch it ever again. It has a flawed core game Mechanic, you can't fix this through an Add-On.
That's why I wait for WAR, because PvP is always new, interesting, thrilling. And WAR won't have an End.
Blizzard aren't going to have all those programmers and raid designers sitting round twiddling their thumbs and as for the WoW lore not having anything in it that would make sense for a new raid, when have Blizzard ever let matters of Lore stop them totally changing established canon for the purposes of the game?
Besides which, there's tonnes of stuff from lore that can be introduced into the game, area's of Azeroth still not open, etc.
Besides, Caverns Of Time was clearly put in to give them exactly what they need to stop them running out of instance material.
As for Nihilium saying that TBC raids are more challenging than Azeroth ones?
Before TBC, none of the raids were really 'difficult' in term of teamwork and tactics, they just required gear to be acheivable and the only challenge came from farming enough raids before the one you were on to gear up 40 players. BC has helped casuals by making the raids less gear dependant but it has also made the actual fight's in those raids much difficult in terms of teamwork.
They've simply shifted the focus from gear to teamwork to help casuals more
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there is always something bigger. Or it can be created. so Blizzard, if they want, can go on making new instances all months long with no problem.
Beside, the new expansion will be announced in august and while I dount it is gonna come out in 6 months, it is not gonna be 12 either.
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Blizzard aren't going to have all those programmers and raid designers sitting round twiddling their thumbs and as for the WoW lore not having anything in it that would make sense for a new raid, when have Blizzard ever let matters of Lore stop them totally changing established canon for the purposes of the game?
Besides which, there's tonnes of stuff from lore that can be introduced into the game, area's of Azeroth still not open, etc.
Besides, Caverns Of Time was clearly put in to give them exactly what they need to stop them running out of instance material.
As for Nihilium saying that TBC raids are more challenging than Azeroth ones?
Before TBC, none of the raids were really 'difficult' in term of teamwork and tactics, they just required gear to be acheivable and the only challenge came from farming enough raids before the one you were on to gear up 40 players. BC has helped casuals by making the raids less gear dependant but it has also made the actual fight's in those raids much difficult in terms of teamwork.
They've simply shifted the focus from gear to teamwork to help casuals more oh yay more raids..they really have their thinking caps on at blizzard ffs....i will not spend another penny on repeditive raid online.
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It's like a Single-Player RPG: You finish it once to get to know the storyline, and then you don't touch it anymore, because it's boring. Same mobs, same tactics, same skills, over and over again.
Finally WoW reached the point where it becomes pointless, where the Players finally reached the carrot of the "Carrot on a Stick"-Approach. There is nothing for them to do. PvP is pointless, so the achievers of those people (most of 'em will probably be achievers since they wanted to achieve the BT clearing ASAP) won't bother with it, because you gain nothing from it.
For those People who "finished" WoW, it's over now.
That's why no MMO should have an "end". Ever. WoW does, and it will have problems because of that.
I foresaw this months ago, and finally stopped playing WoW, and I won't touch it ever again. It has a flawed core game Mechanic, you can't fix this through an Add-On.
That's why I wait for WAR, because PvP is always new, interesting, thrilling. And WAR won't have an End.
lol a WAR fanboy >_>
well thats where your wrong, pre-tbc raids took months and months to clear, even by top end guilds like Nihilum, the whole world was stuck on 4 horsemen for about 4 months, EVERY SINGLE TBC RAID HAS BEEN CLEARED in 4 months, doesnt matter weather or not the whole world has cleared them or just one guild, it still proves these raids arnt hard anymore which really bursts my bubble
i dont want to return to wow only so i can raid 4 instances for one year and after that i get bored and quit... iv been playing wow for 3 years and i was never bored, raids are too simple, bring out hard ones or buff these ones plx blizzard!
1. Hardcore guild.. RAID...RAID....RAID
2. Most guild members had the best gear from Karazan
3. Played the beta for 5 weeks and so learned how to defeat most bosses before it went live and/or viewed the many guides on the web about how to defeat temple bosses.
So no they did not clear it in 2 weeks, they had a large head start and are a RAID guild.
plus they only did 2 bosses during the "test server" (many guides to do BT, if that were true.. surely more than one guild would have done it by now.. hmm) jealously does not become you. learn to let it go.
lol @ and "are a RAID guild" what else did you expect to do BT, the mickey mouse club?
On a side note, they no longer allow women in their guild. Guilt chat and vent sausage fest 4TL.
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Would be dam entertaining to watch a youtube video of the mickey mouse club clearing BT.
Could just imagine it now, all the Justin TImberlake, and Brittney Spears jokes rollin around.
Poor raiders... I really pity those less than 5% players who only has 98% of the end-game contents...
/sarcasm off
Btw, congrats Nihilum
Big deal, they cheated to do it. They admitted they bought gold to pay for all the repairs. Violation of the TOS and a definite cheat.
So actually no one has cleared it without cheating yet.
Oh and btw many of those guilds that cleared Naxx most of the them cheated too.
So for all of you patting them on the back, doesn't that make you feel good, promoting a cheater. Nice role model!
Or are thet so addicted of there 2 minutes of fame from clearing instances they get a kick from it?
for god sake they are 25 fat retards that plays a stupid game which is simple now since they have run out of ideas to new instances so it the same thing all over again, crap.
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