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SWG Vets: My return to swg.

Hello all, I left right after the NGE, it disgusted me. SOE had alienated the players 2 times now. I left in total anger. But after joining the emu etc. i started missing swg.I came back ch5, it was ok. But then CH6 i was like wow.... The devs are listening and going all out.I thought the difficulty could of been amped up a bit. But it was good. The BM system was better then CH and BE put together. New quest lines, RP props things like that. Plus the housing purge. I was like wow. Still not as good as pre-cu or CU. But its alot better. I mean im pleased. I honestly think you guys should give it a chance. Treat it like a new game. You should give it a try. CH7 they are fixing group xp, adding grp size to around 12-20. They are adding a TON of new heoric instances with elite mobs and loots and schematics. Its going to be awesome. Also in July we all get googles lol. Well give it a go.

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  • iceman00iceman00 Member Posts: 1,363

    This post brought to you in part by the lovely folks at Sony Online Entertainment.....

    Being serious, I don't think a lot of us want "heroic instances with elite mobs"  If we wanted that, we'd be playing WoW.  We're glad you like Ch6.  Honestly, we are.  Just no more of these come back to give it a try.  We've given it a try time and time again, and we weren't satisfied.

    Granted, I'm speaking for myself here, but I tend to think a good portion of the vets are gonna agree with me on this.

  • wargassmwargassm Member Posts: 76
    Originally posted by EricJLeach

    Hello all, I left right after the NGE, it disgusted me. SOE had alienated the players 2 times now. I left in total anger. But after joining the emu etc. i started missing swg.I came back ch5, it was ok. But then CH6 i was like wow.... The devs are listening and going all out.I thought the difficulty could of been amped up a bit. But it was good. The BM system was better then CH and BE put together. New quest lines, RP props things like that. Plus the housing purge. I was like wow. Still not as good as pre-cu or CU. But its alot better. I mean im pleased. I honestly think you guys should give it a chance. Treat it like a new game. You should give it a try. CH7 they are fixing group xp, adding grp size to around 12-20. They are adding a TON of new heoric instances with elite mobs and loots and schematics. Its going to be awesome. Also in July we all get googles lol. Well give it a go. This is coming from a die hard pre-cu lover and a die hard NGE hater. Also from a SWGEmu supporter.
    This is nice, they are slowly adding all the stuff they took out of the game like group sizes of 20 folks.  i've been playin since mid chapter 5 and this game has its ups and downs.  It's not as great as i once was, but it's improving.  Once Emu is ready tho i will be playing that instead of this.
  • ArcheusCrossArcheusCross Member Posts: 793
    Originally posted by iceman00


    This post brought to you in part by the lovely folks at Sony Online Entertainment.....
    Being serious, I don't think a lot of us want "heroic instances with elite mobs"  If we wanted that, we'd be playing WoW.  We're glad you like Ch6.  Honestly, we are.  Just no more of these come back to give it a try.  We've given it a try time and time again, and we weren't satisfied.
    Granted, I'm speaking for myself here, but I tend to think a good portion of the vets are gonna agree with me on this.
    I agree with iceman fully, i'm sure a majority of us have tried the nge in the past and now and it just wasn't as robust as pre-cu. Ill even go a bit further, to be honest, the current battle system does not fee like it belongs there... go figure... i wonder why.



    Honestly, if they want to listen to the wowers on thier swg boards thats fine, but if they truely want to listen to thier players, they would bring back pre-cu.



    Or if they want a safe opinion, do a poll, and see how many people actually want pre cu back.


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  • JestorRodoJestorRodo Member UncommonPosts: 2,642
    I stil say that Chapter 7 is the way to go!

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  • EricJLeachEricJLeach Member Posts: 53
    You just can't please some people. SOE has already said it is a technical nightmare to rollback to Pre-cu. They said they would do it *if* they could, but none of the devs can read that code, none the less transfer everything back to pre-cu coding. It just isnt logical.

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  • ArcheusCrossArcheusCross Member Posts: 793
    Originally posted by EricJLeach

    You just can't please some people. SOE has already said it is a technical nightmare to rollback to Pre-cu. They said they would do it *if* they could, but none of the devs can read that code, none the less transfer everything back to pre-cu coding. It just isnt logical.
    Please me? (if you were talking to me, if not im sorry) I'm just asking for them to do what is right after pulling the rug out from peoples feet. The code is not that hard to find (um.. disks? lol).. i mean ffs... theres a group of people making an emu out of it... if they (soe) are saying they are less experienced than they (the emu people) are, maybe they should offer them jobs?



    Logical? Please... think about it.... the number of people on the servers back in the days of pre-cu far outnumber todays. So how isn't it logical not to roll it back if it was a failure, as they state?



    The real reason they wont do it is that it will be the final form of admittance that they were in the wrong. And yet, they would gain so many numbers back from changing back in my opinion. What an ironic situation. Even more ironic? The fact that someone obviously is about to pull it off themselves and beat them to the punch.



    Im not flaming you, i'm simply asking you to think about it a bit.

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  • TeiraaTeiraa Member UncommonPosts: 447
    Originally posted by EricJLeach

    They said they would do it *if* they could,....
    Now that statement would be a huge step forward already.

    You have any quote for it?
  • JestorRodoJestorRodo Member UncommonPosts: 2,642
    Originally posted by EricJLeach

    You just can't please some people. SOE has already said it is a technical nightmare to rollback to Pre-cu. They said they would do it *if* they could, but none of the devs can read that code, none the less transfer everything back to pre-cu coding. It just isnt logical.



        None of the Devs can read code - I am not suprised.  Speaking of nightmares from SOE , you should get a load of me.

    Then he said " It isn't possible to roll back with SWG's current state of financial downfall"

    Boo hoo! Have Sony Pictures Spiderman revenue pay for it.

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  • TheChronicTheChronic Member Posts: 253
    Originally posted by iceman00


    This post brought to you in part by the lovely folks at Sony Online Entertainment.....
    Being serious, I don't think a lot of us want "heroic instances with elite mobs"  If we wanted that, we'd be playing WoW.  We're glad you like Ch6.  Honestly, we are.  Just no more of these come back to give it a try.  We've given it a try time and time again, and we weren't satisfied.
    Granted, I'm speaking for myself here, but I tend to think a good portion of the vets are gonna agree with me on this.



    amen.

    they give away googles? great, the only thing that made me feel really special, which was only for collectors edition customers are given away:

    I got an idea, why not give away to everyone jetpacks, mando armor and ns biceps as well ?

    free googles for everyone, another reason not to come back for me, I don't even visit the SOE forums anymore, I currently play lord of the rings online which is very linear and none complex in comparision to pre-cu but it keeps me entertaining and Im havin fun

    I use lord of the rings online as a time cut until age of conan gets released :)

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  • JestorRodoJestorRodo Member UncommonPosts: 2,642
     I am getting bored of the SWG vet double standands - They can bother us here but if we post anything anti-swg-soe in any other forum and the man puts us down ,  It does sux.

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  • EricJLeachEricJLeach Member Posts: 53
    Originally posted by TheChronic

    Originally posted by iceman00


    This post brought to you in part by the lovely folks at Sony Online Entertainment.....
    Being serious, I don't think a lot of us want "heroic instances with elite mobs"  If we wanted that, we'd be playing WoW.  We're glad you like Ch6.  Honestly, we are.  Just no more of these come back to give it a try.  We've given it a try time and time again, and we weren't satisfied.
    Granted, I'm speaking for myself here, but I tend to think a good portion of the vets are gonna agree with me on this.



    amen.

    they give away googles? great, the only thing that made me feel really special, which was only for collectors edition customers are given away:

    I got an idea, why not give away to everyone jetpacks, mando armor and ns biceps as well ?

    free googles for everyone, another reason not to come back for me, I don't even visit the SOE forums anymore, I currently play lord of the rings online which is very linear and none complex in comparision to pre-cu but it keeps me entertaining and Im havin fun

    I use lord of the rings online as a time cut until age of conan gets released :)




    LotR is not that good, i played during closed beta. It wasn't that fun, PVP is a joke and the only thing I liked was cooking. That game wont last 2years. Also the googles are differnt from the collectors ones. A whole diff look to it.

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  • BadvokBadvok Member Posts: 22
    I have recently returned to SWG myself, I must stress I played then purely for the social aspect of it which was as everyone who played it back in its glory days knows was fantastic. Now, as my time is also limited I also only play for the social side and while its not as good I feel there is somethere for those players who are more into the roleplaying (zillions of jedis not withstanding). There is a big BUT with this, outside of Mos Eisley the player population is pretty much none existant, sure you stumble across people from time to time but the ghost player cities all with 'abandoned' wait to be destroyed is an ever present reminder of what is lost. Can it really be something as simple as pride that is preventing a roleback? Maybe, people do some crazy things and saying 'I was wrong' really doesn't come easy, especially to CEOs who get an automatic +7 boost to ego. So, overall, my view of the game is...... Mehhh, its fine for now until something comes along to take away from it (PotBS, f'rinstance).
  • EricJLeachEricJLeach Member Posts: 53
    Have you checked restuss sp? that is the prime pvp/hang out spot nowadays.RP is best on SS (starsider).

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  • iceman00iceman00 Member Posts: 1,363

    Eric,

    I wasn't being serious.  It is just that a lot of times all one sees is "come back, its great" when a lot of us don't wanna come back.  As I said in my post on the "vet animus" its not really a matter of coming back.  I really didn't need to know where you work lol.  but maybe one day I'll give a call and we can discuss gaming trends.  :)

    Me I'm against the EMU just as much if not more than the NGE, but that is really another story.

    Originally posted by EricJLeach

    Well I for one are not on SOE's agenda. Amazingly I work for a Cadbury Schweepes and we are going to be endorsing swgemu.com. If you are skeptical call one of our offices. Ask for Gil Cassagne (President and CEO). I am representing Cadbury Schweepes, ask for Gil Cassagne relatives, im Eric Leach, and im representing the company on behalf of Gil Cassagne. We have talked to Lucas Arts and are working out a deal. Which will be made public later.
  • iceman00iceman00 Member Posts: 1,363

    I don't buy this fora  second.  What I do think is there are compelling business reasons that would make it borderline suicide to revert to pre-cu.  Not to mention it would do to the NGE fans what happened to those who played pre-cu or the cu.  it would destroy now 18 months of work they did acquiring items to attempt to draw non-paying people into a game.  now some will have a case of schadenfreude and laugh about how the NGE'ers would've been blind to the warning we gave them, but I don't wish that on them.

    To MAINTAIN Pre-Cu would also require a lot more money than is probably currently going into the game.  They can barely keep the NGE alive with a skeleton crew dev team.  To have a skeleton crew dev team deal with a sandbox the size of SWG pre-cu, that is going to cost more than a company is willing to pay for a 4 year old game that has under 100k subscribers already.

    So tell me they won't do it for financial reasons (i.e. the hiring of more devs to give maintenence).  Tell me they won't do it for business reasons.  (i.e. they do not want to do another massive flip flop.)  But don't tell me that it would be a technical nightmare, and that they are somehow "unable" to do it.  It is strictly speaking can be done within the realm of logic.  Prudence dictates otherwise.  Just say that.  :)

    Originally posted by EricJLeach

    You just can't please some people. SOE has already said it is a technical nightmare to rollback to Pre-cu. They said they would do it *if* they could, but none of the devs can read that code, none the less transfer everything back to pre-cu coding. It just isnt logical.
  • Zech4Zech4 Member Posts: 80
    The only chance of me EVER playing SWG ever again is the EMU seriously SOE screwed up and paid the price.....The price they deserved.



    Never again will i ever try a product with SOE even printed on it, unless i hear its REALLLLY good.  Its kinda sad how they are ONLY adding stuff they took away so its not really new its just brought back.  They dont deserve to make money and Smedley or whatever his name is deserves to be fired.  Altho that will prolly never happen...its a dream but oh well ill never revisit SWG not only because it wont ever be the same but because SOE makes money off of it and my only hope is the EMU but until then ill stick with my Xbox 360.



    -Zech
  • johnnychangsjohnnychangs Member UncommonPosts: 261
    Originally posted by EricJLeach

    Well I for one are not on SOE's agenda. Amazingly I work for a Cadbury Schweepes and we are going to be endorsing swgemu.com. If you are skeptical call one of our offices. Ask for Gil Cassagne (President and CEO). I am representing Cadbury Schweepes, ask for Gil Cassagne relatives, im Eric Leach, and im representing the company on behalf of Gil Cassagne. We have talked to Lucas Arts and are working out a deal. Which will be made public later.
    I find it hard to believe that the company known for Creme Eggs and Snapple will be endorsing SWGEmu.  Stick to confectionery and beverages, as they have nothing to do with video games.
  • KylrathinKylrathin Member Posts: 426
    Originally posted by EricJLeach

    Originally posted by Zech4

    The only chance of me EVER playing SWG ever again is the EMU seriously SOE screwed up and paid the price.....The price they deserved.



    Never again will i ever try a product with SOE even printed on it, unless i hear its REALLLLY good.  Its kinda sad how they are ONLY adding stuff they took away so its not really new its just brought back.  They dont deserve to make money and Smedley or whatever his name is deserves to be fired.  Altho that will prolly never happen...its a dream but oh well ill never revisit SWG not only because it wont ever be the same but because SOE makes money off of it and my only hope is the EMU but until then ill stick with my Xbox 360.



    -Zech
    You do realize that you have to pay SOE to play the emu? That is one of the only reasons why SOE can't sue the EMU. So.... And if you already own the original Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided, or any incarnation including the original game since then, you've already paid SOE what they will charge you and can play the Emu to your heart's content if it's ever released.  You do not have to pay them another dime of monthly fees if you don't want to.  Lord knows I never will...

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  • treed0223treed0223 Member Posts: 84
    why the hell are you spelling it "googles"...is SOE handing out search engines or something?  I think I'll subscribe back for that, search for houses or something..oh wait they've all been destroyed.
  • EricJLeachEricJLeach Member Posts: 53
    Originally posted by treed0223

    why the hell are you spelling it "googles"...is SOE handing out search engines or something?  I think I'll subscribe back for that, search for houses or something..oh wait they've all been destroyed.


    Sorry its a bad habbit. Well from what I know you still need to pay the monthly subscriptions.

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  • kymekyme Member Posts: 411
    I just realized you are 16 years old Eric. Have fun with your baby's toy.
  • JestorRodoJestorRodo Member UncommonPosts: 2,642
    Originally posted by kyme

    I just realized you are 16 years old Eric. Have fun with your baby's toy.

      SOE forgot that most 16 year olds do not have credit cards when they imposed the NGE. I hear that Chapter 6 is the NEW CU,  This whole process with theses chapter updates is like a breaking and resetting bones of a severly injured patient.  I reccomend cloning but unfortunately the smarter doctors have been fired by the SOE hospital

      

     

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  • Bama1267Bama1267 Member UncommonPosts: 1,822
    Personally....screw SOE. I dont care how good the game gets anymore. What Is even more sickening is them making people pay for a beta for the past year ....
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  • iceman00iceman00 Member Posts: 1,363
    Originally posted by EricJLeach

    lol, sorry I only said where I work, because the company is investing in the EMU. Btw, im curious why are you against the EMU? We talked with LA and it is legal. It is considered fan art by George himself. As it was a gray area until he said it was fan art. Its pretty said that the players of a game have to take it in their own hands and bring back pre-cu. "Fixing what SOE broke" slogan. I personaly asked a QA person from SOE about SWGEmu, they said "We dont care what you do on your own time". Anyway i knew you werent serious about the SOE thing, but I took the bait.
    I'll believe that Lucas has given the idea it is legal when I see it in writing.  It comes about as close as one can get to a violation of SOE's intellectual property.  Bad a company as SOE is, they still have intellectual property.  (at least here in the US, where the laws are a lot stricter, and I believe rightly so.)  There are also numerous security concerns that I have not seen adressed sufficiently.
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