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Is it worth it?
Lonewolf
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in EVE Online
I really REALLLLY like the concept of Eve in fact it is a PERFECT concept for myself and my brother really spent ALOT of time getting into the game
However I just can't helping thinking what is the point when I will just get annihilated by people with upwards of 10billion isk and 15million+ skill points constantly and due to the skill system never actually catching up with these people.
Have they considered opening a new server? Or should I just suck it up and give it a go regardless of being the underdog forever?
I think this is the TRUE problem with Eve the lack of opportunity for new players to really feel like getting to high skill points is achieveable, and constantly being on the back foot, ganked constantly by people who you simply have no chance to compete against
So someone please convince me, I am going to download the trial tonight and start learning some skills, but I really need to OOMPH to get me going, looking at the piddling 800k skill points when most people sit at 20million+ is a reaaaaaal downer on attempting to play the game
I love the PvP concept and the 0.0 space!!
Any advice REALLLLY appreciated
However I just can't helping thinking what is the point when I will just get annihilated by people with upwards of 10billion isk and 15million+ skill points constantly and due to the skill system never actually catching up with these people.
Have they considered opening a new server? Or should I just suck it up and give it a go regardless of being the underdog forever?
I think this is the TRUE problem with Eve the lack of opportunity for new players to really feel like getting to high skill points is achieveable, and constantly being on the back foot, ganked constantly by people who you simply have no chance to compete against
So someone please convince me, I am going to download the trial tonight and start learning some skills, but I really need to OOMPH to get me going, looking at the piddling 800k skill points when most people sit at 20million+ is a reaaaaaal downer on attempting to play the game
I love the PvP concept and the 0.0 space!!
Any advice REALLLLY appreciated
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1. 45msp
2. 37msp
3. 7msp small ship specced
Guess who I play the most?
And I kick ass with my minmatar small ship pilot, while the other two are stuck in large ships that I cannot really take out to have fun.
In eve you can win a guy with 30million more skill points than you, can other games say the same?
This gives you an opportunity to use your head to gain an advantage, if you dont like using your head then eve is not a game for you it's as simple as that.
EDIT:
Advice,
Concentrate on having fun, if you like pvp then choose a nice frigate you like (I recomend the Rifter) train your skills for that ship and then train the skills needed to become really good with that ship and your chosen fitting. The good thing about this tactic is that you are training skills that can be used on advanced ships as well.
You can find excelent posts on how to fit the rifter on eve forums as well as skill training concentration.
Loosing a rifter with tech 1 fitting is cheap and the funny thing is that you can be helpfull in a group of advanced players within a week af starting to play. within a month you could start out as a pirate ganker or something similar.
Within 6 months of training you could be flying a cruiser with very good skills, or a battlecruiser (those are fearsome).
You wont be winning eve anytime soon, but then again it's about having fun now isnt it?
If there ever had to be an MMO with the description "Veterans dominate this game and it's not possible to catch up", this is the one. With that said, despite the numerous cries from people who played the EVE trial, liked the game, but realized what you've come to realize, CCCP will not open a new server.
Why? Simply because as it stands you have around 30K people at peak times on the main server. Opening a new server would almost certainly take at least a quarter, maybe even half of that population just because people want to get on an even level with everyone else and get away from the current server which is dominated. But, this has it's negatives. One of the worst possible feelings in an MMO is the feeling that it's not populated, or significantly less populated than it should be or once was.
The EVE universe is huge, and even with 15K-30K people on there on average, it just feels populated enough. Opening a new server really means that they'd be screwing over the long-time players with high SP amounts, which WE KNOW some of the developers and close friends of CCCP are. Aside from that, the main server could drop to an average of 5K-15K people on average since a lot of people are on the new server. In any other MMO, that's good for one server, but not for EVE.
The biggest problem is quite simply this: Next to nobody would join the old main server if a new one opened up. It's tough enough getting people to join developed servers on other MMOs where it takes a month to catch up with veterans. Anyone with two brain cells would not join the old server if a new one opened up.
Ofcourse, you have the potential positives. CCCP could bring in a lot of new money from the countless amounts of people that played the trial or played shortly and feel how you do. It just doesn't seem like a risk they are willing to take. The only way they would open a new server is if somehow they got over 60K on average playing on the main server and they felt the need to open a new server. But, with EVE's age and a flurry of new MMO's coming out in only a few months, this isn't likely. People are just going to have to deal with veterans kicking their asses and always being better, which is what most people don't do, and most don't play past the trial because of this.
20 million unused skill points.
That leaves about 15 million skill points in use.
Of course I hope no new player is hoping to jump into a carrier within a few months of starting to play, but 15 million skill points is only about 13months of training.
There is a huge place available for new players to operate in, the veterans are not dominating anything as most corporations within the game have a very healthy mix of new and old players.
Besides, people have been talking about this gap for years, the players that complained and left 3 years ago would now have 30msp and be considered veterans, you could have 20msp+ within 15 months, in eve time thats not so much.
However, every time ive tried it i find myself working on raising up my skills and not even playing the game.....travel time is absurd (even with 24 hour jump clones)....and I like to solo....
Well, if you like to solo forget EVE...youll find it to be the most boring thing you can every play....if you dont mind working for a large corporation and being one of thier peons you might like it...but dont most of us do that IRL? what fun is that to go home and do it?...LOL
anyway, again, ill say it...EVE is tempting as hell...why? i dont know..probably because the graphics are cool, its open ended which although it sounds good...too many people have been playing for too long to really do extremely well in it though, and I know the typical response to that is that you can specialize in something and in a few months be as good as someone who has been playing for years at that one particular thing....but IMO I think thats just the people who have been there a while doing their best to convince new players to come in so they can progress thier own interests.
the game has alot of cool depth to it as far as the economy, fitting your ships, research and exploration etc... but it severely lacks in many areas that the avg gamer wont like at all. for example, dont go into it new thinking your going to love the pvp...it will be a long time until you do any meaningful pvp, it only consists of being gate camped by experienced pirates for the new player....as I mentioned before, you can literally read War and Peace while traveling to see your friend...and even then you wont "see" your friend but only his ship...they are working on Avatars and the graphics for them look really cool, but they dont have any real functionality besides walking around in a space station HUB so thats nothing to get too excited about really.
OK Ill stop now..lol.but I want to say I have nothing against EVE, like I said i sincerely tried it a few times and while I do understand how a veteran player could enjoy it, I have no earthly idea how someone new could.
I admit I havent followed the big controversy too closely with one of CCP's employee's doing stuff in game to help people but even though I dont know the specifics...it just goes to show how the game is severely lopsided toward the "veterans"..heck even CCP employees help them..if you dont believe me, go on thier forums and ask for a new server so you can have a "fresh start" in the game and watch how fast you'll get shot down by the vets...LOL....who will they gate camp if all the noobs are rolling on the new server?
If you like it, awesome and have fun....but if your like me, there are some space/scifi games coming out soon that look pretty cool, and if you dont mind going from space to the sea, check out Pirates of the burning sea....it looks like its pretty much EVE but in a boat, AND you can get in on the ground floor!!
I have been living in 0.0 since I had about 2.5 million skillpoints.... I started out in FDZ-4A and was perfectly capable of not only surviving, but thriving there. I have never had a negative kill to death ratio, always having killed more ships, and more expensive ships, than I have lost. My current killboard stats are 100% legitimate, I post every kill and every loss, including pods and shuttles. Since my move to 0.0 at 2.5 million SP I have slowly grown into a veteran myself, now having around 14 million SP and my stats just keep getting better and better.
EVE isn't about how many skillpoints you have (beyond a certain point). It's about knowing your ship, being trained properly for that ship and knowing how to most effectively fit your ship for the given situation.
If you honestly think you can't compete with Vets then EVE probably just isn't the game for you. Because the simple fact is that you CAN compete, no matter what your skillpoint levels are. Corporations and Alliances are in the game for a reason. Nobody is going to do as well going it alone as they will working in tandem with a team of other players.
Do vets have it easier? Sure... but they deserve to, they've been at it longer. This is true in any MMORPG... in WoW or EQ they have both more money and better gear. In GuildWars they have more and better gear unlocked. In DAOC they have epic items, legendary gear, and all t heir special levels (I forget what they're called it's been over a year since I played now) while the newer player has not even gotten to Realm Rank 2 yet.
All games favor their veterans... because the veterans have taken the time to 'level up' within the game, whatever that game may be. In EVE, however, it is absolutely possible for a new player to kill a "vet" even one on one. I've killed vets 1 on 1... catch them in a ship that doesn't fight as well as yours and they die just as easily as you do. Catch them in their command ship? Time to run unless you are in a fleet. The bottom line is this: EVE is what you make of it. It's all about your attitude. If you convince yourself you can't compete you won't.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Will I be excellent at flying/fighting with it? No, of course not, many more skills I need to add/raise before I'll be good with it. But....it will kill npc rats just fine, which is what I plan on doing (agents, ratting, salvaging) for the next 2 or 3 months.
My goal is to train up all my learning skills to at least level 4 and hopefully some to level 5. I also play to amass enough wealth to either really trick out m y Drake or buy my first Battleship. (Raven). My Corp has promised to help train me to be able to transition to 0.0 space with them in 2 or 3 months....
All of this is geared so that I can be excellent at PVE mission running, so that I can earn enough to fund a 2nd account that I plan to open soon that will be geared entirely towards PVP. No, I won't be fighting in Capitol ships, I'll probably plan on flying interceptors and tackling, while my Corp mates take out the enemy in their heavies.
The thing with skill points is they are static.... you can only train them up to level 5....and a particular ship has a maximum number of skills that really are any use to it (someone est 15m for a Carrier, which is a huge ship) Once you achieve the maximum (say in 12-15 months) you will be on the exact same footing as a 4 year veteran, at least in terms of skills and equipment. (ok, vets may have some really expensive gear that will make them somewhat better, (and certainly they'll have the edge in experience) but they won't be invincible.
So, if you want to play a game where you are equal to the vets in 3 months.... well, even in Eve this is quite possible. Will you always win? No. But can you play a useful roll? I see the possibilities.... so I'm going to stick with it and see where I end up.
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Thanks for all the candid and honest replies
I would like to potentially be a PvP pirate of some sort any ideas for a good race to go for? Or an all rounder?
Any initial pointers or helpers on what to train first or go for initially would be GREATLY appreciated
You want to play eve ? Than make sure you want to play this MMO for long time.
First year of subscription time you will only be investing into a character that is more or less competitable and can do something meaningful.
After first year you will ask your self "Ok I invested 1 year of play to get here. Should i continue playing ? "
The answer will probably be yes. So you will play for another - let say year
At this point you will ask yourself the first question again ...
And so on and so on ...
Only good thing is
If you dont mind monthly subscription , you can actually play EVE withouth ever playing it
Lobotomist....
You bring up a really interesting thing about EVE....
You can actually play it without even playing it??!!!????
LOL..now i tried EVE so I know exactly what you mean, but I find it fascinating that people do this...I have a couple friends who do the same thing...the ONLY time they ever log on the game is to switch thier training skill points...LOL..and they continue to pay thier monthly subscription fee...
Now dont get me wrong, I make good money and paying an extra 15 dollars a month isnt going to kill me either, but jeez...do I really want to pay just to train up skills in hopes that years from now I can actually have some fun in the game???!!! How ludicrous is that??
Anyway, Ill stop ranting before I get accused of bashing the game...but it is unfair not to point this out to a new potential EVE player.
Also, to the poster earlier who said he is new and planning on missioning/ratting...LOLOLOL....your very, very new at 2.5 mill sp's...so the missions still might be a little fun for you...but trust me...plan on doing the Same and i mean SAME missions over and over a gazillion timeS!!!! im not exaggerating here at all.....if that is your idea of fun, then enjoy!
Erm... nope... I don't have downtime in EVE ever... if I'm not out ratting I'm out fighting... if I'm not out ratting or fighting I'm probably reprocessing loot (or selling the loot directly), selling the minerals I got from the loot or making ships to sell... if I'm not doing that I'm perusing the market for good deals to stuff in my hauler to go sell elsewhere for a killing. If not that then I'm helping to plan a defensive or offensive PVP Operation. If not then I may be helping to interview new corp members... or writing an AAR from our last op.... the list goes on. When I ran missions it was the same thing. I tried mining and found THAT utterly boring after the first 10 minutes and have pretty much never fired a mining laser since. I did join a mining op or two with my corp as cover but only ONCE with mining lasers... omfg never again
LOL I hate mining... though some love it.
Downtime? The only thing I consider 'downtime' in EVE is if I get podded and have to go get another ship... which is why, early on, I learned to always have 2 or 3 backup ships ready to go.EVE isn't about how many skillpoints you have (beyond a certain point). It's about knowing your ship, being trained properly for that ship and knowing how to most effectively fit your ship for the given situation.
doesnt matter how good at you are at fitting your ship if 4-5 pirates gate camp you.
You know... in ALL my time in EVE I think I've died to a gate camp like... 3 or 4 times.... if that. I honestly don't get why people are so obsessed with this. Gate camps are easy to avoid if you pay attention, use the map, join a corporation that has half a clue and use your corp/alliance intel channels when traveling through low sec/0.0. I generally know about gate camps before I ever even un-dock... and if there is one in the way I fit appropriately so that I can either run it or avoid it. And in low-sec? Sorry... anyone who gets caught in a gate-camp in low sec deserves to die. Fit for travel if you're just passing through. if you're on a mission fit for travel, dock quick at the nearby station after getting past the gates, re-fit for the mission then go do it. go back to the station to re-fit again before heading back to high-sec.
Heck... i've flown badgers back and forth from 0.0 to high sec more times than I can count to sell loot in empire for a huge profit. It's not EASY but it is do-able... I have had a badger popped exactly ONE time (and that was to a roaming PVP gang, not a gate camp)... and never even once since joining hydra which is why you won't see one on a loss mail for me on my Hydra stats.
That COULD change though... I have a lot of jumps to do in one soon
Do vets have it easier? Sure... but they deserve to, they've been at it longer. This is true in any MMORPG... in WoW or EQ they have both more money and better gear. In GuildWars they have more and better gear unlocked. In DAOC they have epic items, legendary gear, and all t heir special levels (I forget what they're called it's been over a year since I played now) while the newer player has not even gotten to Realm Rank 2 yet.
not true in WOW..i can jump in a BG with other players of MY OWN LEVEL with similar equipment....I can join a non-pvp server and level all the way up and through the END game content without ever being corpse or gate camped...and it doesnt take long to compete with the vet players compared to EVE even if i decide to play on a PVP server...you have to agree with me here, I can be level 10 in WOW in the time it takes to jump 25-30 jumps in EVE.....easy mode? maybe.
It takes me about 30 minutes to jump 25-30 jumps in EVE. You're telling me you got to level 10 in that time? Warp to 0 changed all those complaints about travel delay my friend. Play the game before criticizing it in it's current state. Matter of fact I'm in the process of moving to a new corp/alliance to rejoin old friends in Sturmgrenadier.... It's a 38 jump trip... I moved a ship the entire distance last night (not a particularly fast one either) in exactly 45 minutes. On top of that in most instances, especially for PVE'ers, you will never NEED to travel more than 10 or 15 jumps in EVE. And more than likely will rarely travel more than 2 or 3 jumps unless you are switching to a new agent for missions. I just don't get the travel complaints. There's hardly EVER a need to travel 25 jumps once you find a 'home' in EVE. PVP? That's a little different... big OPS can occasionally have you hopping all over the universe. But in general even PVP'ers don't go too terribly far from home.
As to being able to 'level' all the way to 'end game' and never get killed/gate camped? You can do that in EVE too... just never leave high security space (.5+) Yes you CAN be attacked and you will hear horror stories about it. But to be quite honest when I used to do level 4 missions in high-sec? I never once got shot at by another player... they didn't even try. Sure you need to make sure you don't do stupid things like fly a fully fitted navy raven into a low-sec gatecamp but that's just common sense. Even before warp to 0 i never had problems in low sec... I just went in a shuttle first and made gate to gate bookmarks. So yep, you can, absolutely, play in 'safe mode' in EVE if you want to. The only difference is that in EVE your safety is guaranteed by your common sense and preparedness whereas WoW hands it to you on a platter.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Why do you only have 800k skill points if you "really spent ALOT of time getting into the game"? New characters have 800k upon creation.
If you want cookie cutter type of games where everyone is equal I'd advise try playing WoW. A lot of people like it and feel there's no seperation from a new player to an old one rather then the time spent grinding in raid groups. If you are the type of gamer who thinks all new players should be at the same level of the senior ones, EVE is not for you. It is this exact mentality of a younger "give-me give-me" generation (going to start lableing it as the Parris Hilton Get Out of Jail Free Generation) that is ruining quality media development; sorry, I hope this doesn't offend anyone.
As soon as you place the "elitest" menatility and phalacy of "more skillpoints is important to success" you'll truely get into the game. I've got jacked by pirates with much less skill points then my character. I've blown up ships controled by players with chaarcter that had millions more in skill points.
Skill points really don't mean shit in EVE other then the avaible options "you" have to fly and fit out ships.
Why do you only have 800k skill points if you "really spent ALOT of time getting into the game"? New characters have 800k upon creation.
If you want cookie cutter type of games where everyone is equal I'd advise try playing WoW. A lot of people like it and feel there's no seperation from a new player to an old one rather then the time spent grinding in raid groups. If you are the type of gamer who thinks all new players should be at the same level of the senior ones, EVE is not for you. It is this exact mentality of a younger "give-me give-me" generation (going to start lableing it as the Parris Hilton Get Out of Jail Free Generation) that is ruining quality media development; sorry, I hope this doesn't offend anyone.
As soon as you place the "elitest" menatility and phalacy of "more skillpoints is important to success" you'll truely get into the game. I've got jacked by pirates with much less skill points then my character. I've blown up ships controled by players with chaarcter that had millions more in skill points.
Skill points really don't mean shit in EVE other then the avaible options "you" have to fly and fit out ships.
Mindspat: Work on the reading comprehension skill there bro... you really should at least train it to level 1 before posting replies
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Taram...
Its obvious you enjoy that game, and thats fine...believe me, I understand whats fun to me might not be fun to you....and I probably exaggerrated a little (but just a little) about reaching lvl 10 in wow in the time it takes you to travel 30 jumps....but...
OK....for the average new person out there considering a game...think of this for a second....DO YOU WANT TO SPEND 30-45 MINUTES JUST TRAVELING FROM POINT A TO POINT B?
sorry to cap that...but OMG my friend, just to travel and let me also highlight this... ONE WAY... from point A to point B in 30-45 minutes??!! are you kidding me? this is an eternity while your staring at a computer screen.
also you mentioned about warping to 0 and being smart to not get gate camped.....contrary to what you stated unknowingly, I AM very familiar with these concepts....so your wrong there, sorry.....and truth be told, I NEVER got gate camped because, I, like you was too smart to let it happen even though i did my share of flying in 0.0 space....
However, taking away my exaggerations for effect....would you care to share with the potential new player here how monotonous it is to jump 30 jumps while warping to 0?
how you have to sit there with your thumb up your #$% for 30-45 minutes just to get somewhere?? and THATS warping to 0..god forbid you hit autopilot you might as well go run a marathon and when you come back you might only have 2 jumps to go...or please enlighten our potential new player about how time consuming and boring it is trying to plan a different route (and increase your downtime i might add) just to aviod a gate camp...
hehe..im truly not trying to be confrontational here but there are some who think 45 minutes of 1 way travel time is no big deal..and I understand that....but my friend, I really have to think that I am not alone saying that to someone like me who has a full time job, family, etc... that is not my idea of fun!! I would rather come home at night and watch Seinfeld re-runs on TV.
EDIT:: Its funny how you say..."Downtime, nope..never happens to me....downtime? never"...LOL...then you say something like...ill go ratting, or fighting...or ill go buy and sell something at a different zone.....what you fail to mention is the insane travel times to do any of that.....even if you travel say 2 jumps to a belt, 3 jumps back to a station, buy something, 4 jumps to go pick it up, then 15 - 20 jumps to go sell it..youve spent your 45 minutes (and thats doing warp to 0 with you thumb up your #$%..lol) so yes, you DO have down time...you just might enjoy the game so much you dont notice it. oh, then its 30 jumps back to your base....oh? got a jump clone? LOL...your stuck for 24 hours!! cya tomorrow!
Dont let sp numbers scare you. Sp is only one part of winning a battle. EvEs pvp is more tactical based than pure sp. Something you also need to realize is that all skills cap at lv 5, so the guy with 25m sp can be beat as not all of his 25m sp are relevant to the ship he's currently flying. The best way to be effective right away is to specialize in a ship class (cruiser/BC) are very nice starter pvp ships. Also remember that while solo pvp is alright nothing beats a well coordinated gang. The game lends itself well to ambush attacks/skirmishes. I dont recomend fleet pvp since its not nearly as exciting tbh.
Lastly i must state a rule of thumb all eve players know: DONT FLY WHAT YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOSE.
That being said, with rev 1 new players got a nice sp starter boost so it should make it easier on ya early on. GL and i hope you enoy the game.
Heyo...
Just though I would chime a bit here on this subject .. hopefully its helpfull
First off my history with EvE goes as far back as Beta 1 when the only available parts of the game were the commodities.. that being minerals and ore. Pirates, mobs and pvp were not even considerations in the game and didnt even work for that matter. Some things like pirate mobs didnt even exist.
I played off and on since release.. I have three chars 48msp (main), 26msp (production/mining) and 6msp (trouble maker). I have participated in several different "high end" corps.. including MOo and thier EvE history making events.
Bottom line here to your questions and Ideas is not whether you or any other "new" player is capable of becomeing a strong part of the EvE culture.. but whether your understanding of where your going to "fit" within this culture is acceptable to you.
The only difference between the "Vets" and "nubs" is where they fit within the game itself. Vets can be problems for nubs.. and nubs can definately be vets pain in the butts.. especially in the right corp with good corp leadership and political savvy. Its NOT IMPOSSIBLE to achieve glory as a new player in EvE. (new being 6 months invested into the game). The only difference you run into is where you actually make your difference ingame.
Vets tend to play the "game outside of the game".. in systems where nubs have never been or will take years to get to. Where as nubs tend to focus on Empire space or 0.0 ajoining hubs.. rarely venturing out of the safety net.. There is in essence three games in the one game of EvE. Each completely different and seperate from the other.
1. Empire (common to 1-2 yr or less players)
2. Low sec 0.0 (common to 2yr + Vets)
3. Corp politics and system ownership. (2+yr Vets exclusively or at least the successfull ones)
Empire players have no idea the game in 0.0.. where as low sec and corp gurus are all to familiar with Empire. The only "graduation" so to speak that seperates the Vets from the Nubs.. is what EvE game you actually play the most. I personally know players with over 35msp that have NEVER ventured into 0.0 systems and others who have not entered Empire space in over 2 years since leaving empire for 0.0. Quote; "this is where the real EvE is played"
EvE can be fun for everyone.. but the cliche that "he who has the highest level gains the most respect" you get from other MMO models JUST DOES NOT APPLY in EvE. A savvy industrialist can sometimes hold many Vet corps in gridlock.. a well built and focused Destroyer pilot (5msp) can be hired by the 32msp miner/industrialist. and so on. EvE isnt about how well you do in overall sp.. but how SMART you are at finding a niche that capatalizes on the "big boys" needs or weaknesses thus propelling you (the nub) into your own mapped out glory.
The problem with EvE now isnt the game.. or the idea of a new server (equal fresh start).. But the dynamics of trust and the innability to focus on players equality and fairness through CCP's crappy facilitation of conspiricy and blame bombs. I have quit EvE since the whole questionable activity of Dev/BoB crap that happened months ago. NOT because something mis-trustfull DID occur.. but because of the lame way CCP handled the whole feasco and how they still handle the current problems. The very Idea that CCP needs to focus commitees and investigations into thier own alleged trust issues (for me) means the problems with the game are not external.. but internal.. and thats enough for me to leave the years invested behind for a different game... it hurts that I leave a game with so much time invested because of the actions of the company the made the game.. over something as simple as "not being able to compete with Vets".. think about it.
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Ok... I don't play WOW... I never liked it despite giving it several tries.... So enlighten me.... exactly how long does it take to travel the entire distance across oh... say... half the world of WoW the first couple times? Or how long does it take to get from the frontier gate in Hibernia in DAOC to say..... the swamps down by (damnit I forget the name... where the siabra are all over the place). Or in UO (before you mark or buy runes mind you) from say.... tristan... to say.... minoc? Or lets see... in LotrO from Ered Luin to hmmm... Forgotten in... (the first time mind you... before you have the horse routes opened up).... I can answer that: In some of those cases over an HOUR of travel. One way... from point a to point B.
In EVE the most I've ever had to travel was 45 jumps... and that was to the deepest darkest region of 0.0 space. A NOOB is not going to be making that trip. A noob will likely never make a trip longer than 10-15 jumps until they join their first player corp, and probably not even then. There's absolutely no need to do so. You're FAR over-exaggerating, not minor here. And you completely omit the use of jump clones or even using pod-jumping to get back to where your clone is if you were just runnign somewhere to get a skill or whatever. There are ways to get around quickly in EVE. It just takes time to learn them.As I said, all MMORPG's have long travel times. At least initially.
Depends
Oh... and if i'm not 100% travel fitted blowing up the occasional red (or running from one) I run across along the way is also fun.
Again... if all you do is sit there and stare and click 'warp to 0' each time you jump, yeah it's monotonous and boring. But you're also wasting VALUABLE time which you could be using to buy things you need where you're going, or check prices for corp members. Or planning a new ship fitting. Or making sure the route isn't hostile ahead. Or any number of myriad other things you SHOULD be doing while in travel. Trust me... I used to have the same opinion till I learned to make better use of travel time. Doing those mundane things while travelling means I don't have to waste time in station. All my purchases are done by the time I get there. All my stuff is ready to go. I'm already X'd up and in a gang by the time I get home and only have to hop in my already fitted ship when I get there or take 3 seconds to throw the things on my new ship that I planned my fitting out on.
Remember: Travelling 30 jumps in EVE is RARE. It's not like you're doing it on a daily basis. If you are then you are doing something VERY wrong.
Actually you are. You're deliberately mis-stating the facts of the situation. The fact is that most players will travel 30 jumps at a go less than once a month. The fact is that there are TONS of things to do while making those jumps that can save you time elsewhere in the game. Yes, AUTOPILOT sucks. I don't recommend that to anyone unless they're doing something outside the game (for example if by some miracle I manage to get some playtime on the weekend and I have to go mow the lawn and have somewhere to get in game I'll hit autopilot and go mow the lawn (as long as my route doesn't go through lowsec)) when I get back to the game guess what... i'm there... or at least a good way of the way there. Dare you to hit autorun in WoW, EQ, DAOC or any other game and see how long you survive
As to your family/job status? I have a full time job, I have 3 kids (2/4/11) and a wife. Thanks
EVE is what you make of it.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Ok... I don't play WOW... I never liked it despite giving it several tries.... So enlighten me.... exactly how long does it take to travel the entire distance across oh... say... half the world of WoW the first couple times? Or how long does it take to get from the frontier gate in Hibernia in DAOC to say..... the swamps down by (damnit I forget the name... where the siabra are all over the place). Or in UO (before you mark or buy runes mind you) from say.... tristan... to say.... minoc? Or lets see... in LotrO from Ered Luin to hmmm... Forgotten in... (the first time mind you... before you have the horse routes opened up).... I can answer that: In some of those cases over an HOUR of travel. One way... from point a to point B.
In EVE the most I've ever had to travel was 45 jumps... and that was to the deepest darkest region of 0.0 space. A NOOB is not going to be making that trip. A noob will likely never make a trip longer than 10-15 jumps until they join their first player corp, and probably not even then. There's absolutely no need to do so. You're FAR over-exaggerating, not minor here. And you completely omit the use of jump clones or even using pod-jumping to get back to where your clone is if you were just runnign somewhere to get a skill or whatever. There are ways to get around quickly in EVE. It just takes time to learn them.As I said, all MMORPG's have long travel times. At least initially.
Depends
Oh... and if i'm not 100% travel fitted blowing up the occasional red (or running from one) I run across along the way is also fun.
Again... if all you do is sit there and stare and click 'warp to 0' each time you jump, yeah it's monotonous and boring. But you're also wasting VALUABLE time which you could be using to buy things you need where you're going, or check prices for corp members. Or planning a new ship fitting. Or making sure the route isn't hostile ahead. Or any number of myriad other things you SHOULD be doing while in travel. Trust me... I used to have the same opinion till I learned to make better use of travel time. Doing those mundane things while travelling means I don't have to waste time in station. All my purchases are done by the time I get there. All my stuff is ready to go. I'm already X'd up and in a gang by the time I get home and only have to hop in my already fitted ship when I get there or take 3 seconds to throw the things on my new ship that I planned my fitting out on.
Remember: Travelling 30 jumps in EVE is RARE. It's not like you're doing it on a daily basis. If you are then you are doing something VERY wrong.
Actually you are. You're deliberately mis-stating the facts of the situation. The fact is that most players will travel 30 jumps at a go less than once a month. The fact is that there are TONS of things to do while making those jumps that can save you time elsewhere in the game. Yes, AUTOPILOT sucks. I don't recommend that to anyone unless they're doing something outside the game (for example if by some miracle I manage to get some playtime on the weekend and I have to go mow the lawn and have somewhere to get in game I'll hit autopilot and go mow the lawn (as long as my route doesn't go through lowsec)) when I get back to the game guess what... i'm there... or at least a good way of the way there. Dare you to hit autorun in WoW, EQ, DAOC or any other game and see how long you survive
As to your family/job status? I have a full time job, I have 3 kids (2/4/11) and a wife. Thanks
EVE is what you make of it.
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Pretty much everythng in life is what you make of it...at least we agree on that including EVE.
However, I am not misstating facts...we just are perceiving things differently...from my side of the fence it looks like you are mis-stating facts but the more rational side of me tells me that your not...the old saying perception is reality fits here. Earlier I made a comment that I would rather go to a football game than watch a chessmatch..well, I know there are alot of people who would rather watch a chess match...does that mean that because I say a football game is more fun im mis-stating a fact? no...it doesnt.
Fact is last i checked there are only about what? 15-30k people playing EVE at any given time and they have about 300k subscriptions total with one server. I dont have to tell you the numbers that WOW has I think we all know that by now....and by the way, im hardly a WOW fanboy...I only point this out to you because as much as you can defend how great EVE it is a niche game that will never have a much bigger player base than it has now...the game is downright hostile to the majority of new players that try it not for just the travel time but for several reasons....you survived and obviously enjoy it...so thats great i mean that sincerely......but if someone asks, "Hey do you think I should try EVE?" to not point out to them that it is a small niche game that the masses arent going to care for is not fair.
Now I know it is being lazy but could anyone draw up a learning tree I should go for if I want just do agent missions, pirate a bit, PvP a bit and no mining
I would REALLLLLLLY appreciate it, oh and my name ingame is Kageboushi
Man... it's sad what people consider 'small' or 'niche'.
200,000 subscribers puts EVE as the 10th most popular MMORPG
33,000 concurrent users on the same server cluster puts it at the densest populated MMORPG game world ever. By miles.
I'm not saying everyone will like EVE. I'm not saying it's perfect. What I am saying is that you were over-exaggerating the travel time issue by a lot. You stated that it took over an hour to travel 30 jumps. I corrected you. You stated that it's mind-numbingly boring. I corrected you. Travel in all MMORPG's is mind-numbingly boring. That's why they all come up with ways to reduce travel time for players who've already invested the time at least once. Even EVE does (Jump clones.... pod-jumping, motherships, titans, etc)
I merely corrected your statements. I never said EVE was the most popular game nor do I think it ever will be. Is it niche? Sure it's a sci-fi space game. Sci-fi bing niche in and of itself and space based being a niche within sci-fi and hard-core PVP being yet another niche so it's a "tripple niche" game if you will... yet it has 200,000 players.... in my book that's pretty darn good for a 'niche' game
Is it not for everyone? You bet. Not everyone will enjoy eve. It requires patience and perseverence and a desire to play a game that's somewhat thought intensive. EVE isn't like WOW or any other more 'traditional' MMORPG. Things aren't given to you easy in EVE. Much like the real world you have to work very hard to achive great rewards. But for many it's a very enjoyable game. My entire response to you has merely been to clarify and correct some misconceptions you were giving to the poster. Yes, travel takes a bit of time in EVE. But it doesn't take the horrendous ammount you initially implied it does. It's also very uncommon to spend more than 5 or 10 minutes travelling in EVE because most things will hapen within 1-3 jumps of where you are. Especially for the new player.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Download evemon and get it set up.
Next we need to figure out what race you are and/or want to be
Once we have that figured out it'll be possible to help you plan a learning plan.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Ok I am Male Caldari Achura
Main stats are Perception 15 and intelligence 11
I have begun by training learning upto 2, and now doing electronic upgrades 1 upto rank 2, to be honest no idea what I am doing HAHA
Cheers for the help
Just FYI: You probably want to distribute your skill points evenly between the skills, for the exception of charisma (unless you plan to run a corp or do a lot of trading).
It is done so your train times will be more stable. To have a balanced character you will need skills from nearly all categories, that will emphasize various stats.
Anyother pointers appreciated
Man... it's sad what people consider 'small' or 'niche'.
200,000 subscribers puts EVE as the 10th most popular MMORPG
33,000 concurrent users on the same server cluster puts it at the densest populated MMORPG game world ever. By miles.
I'm not saying everyone will like EVE. I'm not saying it's perfect. What I am saying is that you were over-exaggerating the travel time issue by a lot. You stated that it took over an hour to travel 30 jumps. I corrected you. You stated that it's mind-numbingly boring. I corrected you. Travel in all MMORPG's is mind-numbingly boring. That's why they all come up with ways to reduce travel time for players who've already invested the time at least once. Even EVE does (Jump clones.... pod-jumping, motherships, titans, etc)
I merely corrected your statements. I never said EVE was the most popular game nor do I think it ever will be. Is it niche? Sure it's a sci-fi space game. Sci-fi bing niche in and of itself and space based being a niche within sci-fi and hard-core PVP being yet another niche so it's a "tripple niche" game if you will... yet it has 200,000 players.... in my book that's pretty darn good for a 'niche' game
Is it not for everyone? You bet. Not everyone will enjoy eve. It requires patience and perseverence and a desire to play a game that's somewhat thought intensive. EVE isn't like WOW or any other more 'traditional' MMORPG. Things aren't given to you easy in EVE. Much like the real world you have to work very hard to achive great rewards. But for many it's a very enjoyable game. My entire response to you has merely been to clarify and correct some misconceptions you were giving to the poster. Yes, travel takes a bit of time in EVE. But it doesn't take the horrendous ammount you initially implied it does. It's also very uncommon to spend more than 5 or 10 minutes travelling in EVE because most things will hapen within 1-3 jumps of where you are. Especially for the new player.
God its hard to find intelligent people here to have a conversation with...
First off you didnt "correct" anything....
your trying to "win" a internet conversation and your idiot is beginning to surface here....That being said, this will be my last reply to you so feel free to post one more time and get the last word in.
EVE IS MIND NUMBINGLY BORING!! thats MY opinion and many others.....is it yours? no....but is it fun because you say it is? NO..its not....its our opinion so you'll never correct me on that.
You cant compare EVE travel time with WOW travel time....its not even close....dont make yourself look foolish. You say that a noob usually never has to travel more than 15 jumps usually....did you ever stop to think that maybe thats because its so *bleepin* boring to do so?? it cracks me up when you say and I quote:
"yes, travel takes a bit of time in EVE" LOL...do you think your slightly "underexxaggerating" there? "things arent given to you easy in EVE" LOL again, is it just possible that this is a nice way of saying...your gonna be at it for at least a year before you can really accomplish anything besides being a lacky for some corp? Im not taking anything away from you for sticking it out and enjoying it...but you probably are also the type to think NASCAR is a sport.
OH and the BIGGY....your right...I said over an hour for 30 jumps and you as you say..."corrected" me to actually 30-45 minutes..LOLOL ...if this is fun to you I guess we wont be seeing each other at any chess matches anytime soon..haha (by the way, I should mention here that I am an avid chess player so no offense to anyone who likes the game, while I am pretty good at it, i have never and probably will never attend one as a spectator)
Finally, Lonewolf, Im happy you gave EVE a try, heck, with the free trial anyone who is interested should....The bottom line is that you will have to make your own decision on whether or not its fun for you....my most recent visit to the game I met some really nice people who love it....but for every one of them I also know 10 who say it sucks...its up to you to decide