This game is horrible to starting players and it keeps getting worse. They have a weapon that can remotely destroy most new players without ever seeing the ship that is firing at you. It just goes to show that when all the developers are flying big ships the guys in little ships won't get no love.
As far as I have understood, CCP is trying to improve the 'new player experience' as we speak. ;o I have to agree with Taram - as far as I am concerned, he has posted some very valid and factual points about EVE Online ( and MMO-games in general ). The thing is, you can hate EVE and find it boring, but you can not go and claim that it has 'worse traveling-times' than your average MMO-game.
I have also played World of WarCraft, and while I recognize it as an entertaining, easy-going game ( you can play it hardcore, but the game is never hardcore in and out of itself - it is way too forgiving for that ), it is just too 'plain' for me. The very instant I roll a character I get a sense that what I am about to experience has been experienced a thousand times by millions of players. There is nothing unique in my road from level 1 to 70. EVE Online, however, underlines uniqueness - how my corporation works, and how I work within it, is certainly unique to the EVE universe ( in some way, at least ).
EVE does require patience - a lot of it, in fact. But it is supremely rewarding, and with all the forthcoming content-updates ( station-walking, graphical over-haul etc. ) I just do not see the game dying or evaporating at all.
This game is horrible to starting players and it keeps getting worse. They have a weapon that can remotely destroy most new players without ever seeing the ship that is firing at you. It just goes to show that when all the developers are flying big ships the guys in little ships won't get no love.
Just goes to show what you know that wepon wont be able to do that anymore.
As far as I have understood, CCP is trying to improve the 'new player experience' as we speak. ;o I have to agree with Taram - as far as I am concerned, he has posted some very valid and factual points about EVE Online ( and MMO-games in general ). The thing is, you can hate EVE and find it boring, but you can not go and claim that it has 'worse traveling-times' than your average MMO-game.
I have also played World of WarCraft, and while I recognize it as an entertaining, easy-going game ( you can play it hardcore, but the game is never hardcore in and out of itself - it is way too forgiving for that ), it is just too 'plain' for me. The very instant I roll a character I get a sense that what I am about to experience has been experienced a thousand times by millions of players. There is nothing unique in my road from level 1 to 70. EVE Online, however, underlines uniqueness - how my corporation works, and how I work within it, is certainly unique to the EVE universe ( in some way, at least ).
EVE does require patience - a lot of it, in fact. But it is supremely rewarding, and with all the forthcoming content-updates ( station-walking, graphical over-haul etc. ) I just do not see the game dying or evaporating at all.
I CAN claim that EVE has worse traveling times than most MMO's.
For fun, look at the thread in EVE online forums entitled "what would you change about EVE to make you come back"?
please go read them and then come back and tell me what the overwhelming theme is from the posters there.. the down time is unbelievable....Fights take too long, going 10 jumps is like going to the dentist...just getting through a jump gate is like agony...jump clones? cmon..they are so limited ..why should i have to choose between waiting a whole day or jumping 40 jumps if i want to get around...not a very pleasant thing to choose from...I didnt tell these people to say anthing.lol
long travel time = downtime......now, ive said before that whether or not you have "fun" when playing EVE is subjective, but the ungodly travel and down time in EVE is NOT!!
I agree that the road from lvl 1-70 in WOW is redundant, there is no question about that. and im definately not saying EVE will evaporate and here's why....
Im going to say something here that not too many people know.....
ALMOST ALL OF THE MMO'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW SUCK!!
you get a decent game like EVE (and yes, i dont hate EVE i can understand how some can like it..just not for me and the majority), wow and so forth...and what else is there? some of the better games like AO, AC, are washed up...they are too old now and noone in thier right mind would play them...sorry for all the diehards that are hanging on to them but you'all are probably the ones who still think the world is flat....not to mention that EVE is far and away the only game in town if you like flying space ships....
There are people still think the sun revolves around the earth, there are those who recently thought the world was coming to an end and now theyre pushing their dates back cuz it didnt happen when they thought..LOL....so no, I dont expect people that love EVE to suddently come to their senses and realize what a boring game it is.....especially if you had the patience to hang in there and maybe get a good friends to hang out with while playing.
EDIT: Dont even get me started about how the ACTUAL DEV's for this game help the dominant Corporation !! LOL..and dont say I dont know what Im talkin about cuz you know its true.
I CAN claim that EVE has worse traveling times than most MMO's. For fun, look at the thread in EVE online forums entitled "what would you change about EVE to make you come back"? please go read them and then come back and tell me what the overwhelming theme is from the posters there.. the down time is unbelievable....Fights take too long, going 10 jumps is like going to the dentist...just getting through a jump gate is like agony...jump clones? cmon..they are so limited ..why should i have to choose between waiting a whole day or jumping 40 jumps if i want to get around...not a very pleasant thing to choose from...I didnt tell these people to say anthing.lol long travel time = downtime......now, ive said before that whether or not you have "fun" when playing EVE is subjective, but the ungodly travel and down time in EVE is NOT!! I agree that the road from lvl 1-70 in WOW is redundant, there is no question about that. and im definately not saying EVE will evaporate and here's why.... Im going to say something here that not too many people know..... ALMOST ALL OF THE MMO'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW SUCK!! you get a decent game like EVE (and yes, i dont hate EVE i can understand how some can like it..just not for me and the majority), wow and so forth...and what else is there? some of the better games like AO, AC, are washed up...they are too old now and noone in thier right mind would play them...sorry for all the diehards that are hanging on to them but you'all are probably the ones who still think the world is flat....not to mention that EVE is far and away the only game in town if you like flying space ships.... There are people still think the sun revolves around the earth, there are those who recently thought the world was coming to an end and now theyre pushing their dates back cuz it didnt happen when they thought..LOL....so no, I dont expect people that love EVE to suddently come to their senses and realize what a boring game it is.....especially if you had the patience to hang in there and maybe get a good friends to hang out with while playing.
EDIT: Dont even get me started about how the ACTUAL DEV's for this game help the dominant Corporation !! LOL..and dont say I dont know what Im talkin about cuz you know its true.
A very good post overall exept i will say the devs behave quite nicely nowadays after the corrupt dev was punnished. Now lets hope they can get on with developing this very nicelly done space MMO.
I CAN claim that EVE has worse traveling times than most MMO's. For fun, look at the thread in EVE online forums entitled "what would you change about EVE to make you come back"? please go read them and then come back and tell me what the overwhelming theme is from the posters there.. the down time is unbelievable....Fights take too long, going 10 jumps is like going to the dentist...just getting through a jump gate is like agony...jump clones? cmon..they are so limited ..why should i have to choose between waiting a whole day or jumping 40 jumps if i want to get around...not a very pleasant thing to choose from...I didnt tell these people to say anthing.lol long travel time = downtime......now, ive said before that whether or not you have "fun" when playing EVE is subjective, but the ungodly travel and down time in EVE is NOT!! I agree that the road from lvl 1-70 in WOW is redundant, there is no question about that. and im definately not saying EVE will evaporate and here's why.... Im going to say something here that not too many people know..... ALMOST ALL OF THE MMO'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW SUCK!! you get a decent game like EVE (and yes, i dont hate EVE i can understand how some can like it..just not for me and the majority), wow and so forth...and what else is there? some of the better games like AO, AC, are washed up...they are too old now and noone in thier right mind would play them...sorry for all the diehards that are hanging on to them but you'all are probably the ones who still think the world is flat....not to mention that EVE is far and away the only game in town if you like flying space ships.... There are people still think the sun revolves around the earth, there are those who recently thought the world was coming to an end and now theyre pushing their dates back cuz it didnt happen when they thought..LOL....so no, I dont expect people that love EVE to suddently come to their senses and realize what a boring game it is.....especially if you had the patience to hang in there and maybe get a good friends to hang out with while playing.
EDIT: Dont even get me started about how the ACTUAL DEV's for this game help the dominant Corporation !! LOL..and dont say I dont know what Im talkin about cuz you know its true.
A very good post overall exept i will say the devs behave quite nicely nowadays after the corrupt dev was punnished. Now lets hope they can get on with developing this very nicelly done space MMO.
Jaed...thanks very much for the compliment...
I dont usually comment much about the cheating Devs because as a business owner I understand how a bad egg (or 2) can look for your overall company even though you might have the best intentions....however, when a guy like me who is very competitive hears something like this it kind of makes my stomach sick.....
Remember in Braveheart when William Wallace was on the battlefield and the guy pulled his mask off and it was his "suppsed" friend who was there helping the English? I sort of feel like that when i think of a Dev cheating like that...so its really mixed emotions.
However I just can't helping thinking what is the point when I will just get annihilated by people with upwards of 10billion isk and 15million+ skill points constantly and due to the skill system never actually catching up with these people.
This is exactly why I quit and refuse to play the game.
As a player of Eve for over a year, 3years Ultima Online, 2 years WoW, you are all screwy on the travel times. Until I got runes in UO, EVE has the others beat on travel times. With the others you are constantly piloting your avatar around obstacles, I can chat with friends, research market prices or even setup remote buying and selling while I am traveling. All MMOs use travel as a time sink at least with EVE you can make some use of it. Trying to get a raid group from Ironforge to wherever takes 15-20 minutes every mission. I got tired of WoW because of the huge amounts of downtime, how long it takes to form a group and get them to move. With EVE I can be running missions or fighting PvP in a few minutes from loggin on. Best thing though is not worrying about all the l33t adolescents power gaming past me I just through a long skill to train to when I can't play do to family or work.
you could compare your current character to these stats and if you don't like what you see, re-roll following the guildlines here.
I chose Caldari PVE build for my first character as I plan to use him to earn me some money starting out. (I despise mining).... so this seemed like a great choice. Train up skills that let you fly Caldari missile ships, for agent missions and other PVE ratting they are quite excellent. Their ability to kite and attack from long range makes them the perfect mission runner.
As to the skill tree you should follow...almost impossible for anyone to do for you. The great thing about EvE (for me) is you have such freedom to develop the character your way. Even if you spec the build I did above, I can always change it and start training skills that will make me a better PVP player ...(guns instead of missiles).
I'm coming up on my 3rd week, just purchased a sweet Drake Battlecruiser (7 missile launcher spots!!!!!) and as soon as I get a little extra cash to outfit/insure it properly (always insure your ships) I'll take it out for a spin.
Start searching the internet. I've downloaded least 8 noob guides so far that have covered everything from PVP, PVE, general game play, mining (yes, I read the 40 page guide to see what it was about) and ship fitting. I'm sure there are countless more, and my corp mates have numerous resources I've yet to take advantage of.
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It has been said many times in this and other threads..EVE isnt for everyone. If you expect to log on, spend 5minutes setting up your interface and then look around for the NPC w/ a glowing exclamation mark above his head then this is the wrong game.
If you want a game with the most robust economy, industrial and trade system, political system, combat system, skill system in any MMO BY FAR then EVE is for you. Ive played for years and there are entire categories of the game that i dont know anything about yet.
The two biggest complaints about EVE are:
1.) Cant catch up to veteran players
2.) Travel time.
Lets address these a bit.
1.) You cannot catch up w/ veteran players this is in fact true. I would also argue that is pretty damn true in every other MMO as well. Try logging in to eq1 today and catching a playet with 3,000 alternate experience points. Try logging into WOW and catching a guy w/ a full set of epic gear and pvp status. Try logging on to DAOC and catching one of thier five year players....virtually impossible to do.
And in EVE you dont even have to. The way the skill system works most veteran players have millions of skillpoints that go unused. What being a veteran largely means is you have a greater variety in what you can fly and how you can fit your ships. It doesnt make you X times more powerful then the typical guy. For example when I am flying my carrier I am NOT using all the skillpoints that I have for battleships, frigates, cruisers, battlecruisers, commandships etc. I am not using all my shield tanking skills, trade skills, industrial skills and gunnery skills...of my 40million skpts only about 10-15 million are actually relevant to flying a carrier.
Now if your frigate were to fight my carrier i would certainly win...but for the most part thats not how EVE works. Not like my carrier is going to roam around "the barrens" looking to gank your frigate. And if i did..there is a very good chance that i couldnt catch you anyway-as smaller ships have a ton of evasive techniques that can use against largers ships.
The key to getting started in EVE is to focus. If you log on and decide you want to fly a carrier right away you will be frustrated. Just like if you log on to WOW and decide you want to be the best pvp'r w/in a month youll be frustrated, or if you want to do a planes raid in eq1 youll be very frustrated. You need to set your goals and focus very specifically toward them.
You can become a VERY effective frigate tackler in about 2-3 months worth of skilling up. You can upgrade to interceptors for tackling shortly thereafter. In my alliance two of our best pilots are under 1 year old. This is in an alliance with MANy veteran players.
Again...you CANT catch up to people with skillpoints..but youll soon see that it isnt even relevant (less relevant actually then any othe game ive played) in every other MMO there was always a glaring difference between my level 40 cleric and someone elses level 70...in EVE you dont eve know what skpts people have. I can honestly say that in the combat wing I fly in...id be lucky if i could guess the "level" of even half the guys i fly with every night. They have thier specialites, things theyre good at, things they enjoy, and we intergrate them into our fleets...thier length of time in game simply doesnt matter.
2.) TRAVEL....EVE is vast, huge, gigantic, bigger then anything you can possibly imagine. And therein lies a huge portion of its charm. The universe is a living breathing thing. There are alliances of 1,000 members that "live" in the north that ive never even heard of or met, know only of by reputation. There are wars raging 50 jumps away that have no relevance at all to where I live. Where you live, your reputation in that region, the knowledge you have of the area are all VERY important. Due largely to the size of EVE, the fact that travel is in fact dangerous and meaningful.
There are also many strategic/gameplay reasons why you need travel times to be somehwat signifcant. If a fleet could traverse the expanse of the universe in 20 minutes..then defense, security, allies, alliances, treaties, etc would be virtually meaningless. You would bascially have no control of your space, never know who your enemies or allies really were. As it stands now..if a fleet wants to invade a region of space that is far away it takes a real effort. Logistics, hauling resources and moving the fleet. This is essential to the grand strategic game that is taking place non stop in EVE.
That said...most folks dont actually travel that far. I actually spend more time traveling in other MMO's running around outdoor zones, or from zone to zone then I do in EVE. Most folks tend to find a place to "live". They establish a base or bases in that general area and then they live thier EVE life -roughly in 10-30 systems. There are nights when I dont travel but one or two systems. On a busy night (patrolling) I might travel 20 jumps...If you are traveling 30-45 minutes EVERY night you are playing a unique version of EVE. If you are jumping thirty to forty jumps (one way) just to get somewhere-then returning..you are playing a uniuqe style of EVE.
Establish a home, meet some people, pick your agents or trade routes...and settle in. 90% of the EVE community spends very little time just traveling.
EVE is a game that requires committment to enjoy. There is no question that it can get boring..but every MMO gets boring at times. You have to really dive deeply into the game to get the most out of it. Head over to the forums and review the MANy ways people play EVE. From those that NEVER undock and just work the trade system, to the builders that build ships, to the traders that trade blueprints, to the miners that mine, to the haulers that haul, to the mission runners, the pvp pilots, the complex runners, the pirates, the anti pirates, the major corporations, the minor corporations, the roleplayers, the griefers, the anti-griefers, the industrialists, the spies, the espionage corporations, the POS builders, the outpost builders. etc etc etc..
the game is remarkably complex, remarkably deep, brutal and peaceful...its fantastic!
To the new player that started in this forum. Send "Vantras" an in game message. I will gladly provide you with some isk to help you ease into the game. Consider it a gift from the Amarr Empire...where service and loyalty is the supreme calling.
It has been said many times in this and other threads..EVE isnt for everyone. If you expect to log on, spend 5minutes setting up your interface and then look around for the NPC w/ a glowing exclamation mark above his head then this is the wrong game. This is a typical EVE veteran response...our game is the most hardcore, etc... what most people want is a fun game..i could care less if there are glowing exclamation points for quests and i assure you i have played many, including EVE itself..to the majority of people the game is like watching paint dry in the parking lot...its the biggest time sink game there is...I would respect you more if you rephrased your statement to something like: " Eve isnt for everyone..in fact, you pretty much have to be somewhat of a masochist to enjoy it...however, just as there are people who like watching dogs fight to the death for fun, I love the game" If you want a game with the most robust economy, industrial and trade system, political system, combat system, skill system in any MMO BY FAR then EVE is for you. Ive played for years and there are entire categories of the game that i dont know anything about yet. Again, very typical response....great economy? how about all the members of BOB gaining billiioins upon blillions of isk thanks to their buddy that works for CCP? does that even bother you?...oh yah, I can just make my little home in .9 space and noone will bother me and Ill never know what cheats BOB are but what fun is that? or maybe i can find a little dead end spot in 0.0 and go around doing my little pvp vs other small corps...oh, what fun!!...when you go to buy somethingg or sell something does it bother you that the prices are all borked becasue of a CCP Dev?? heck, i dont even care about gold or isk farmers selling on ebay as much as this bothers me. The two biggest complaints about EVE are: 1.) Cant catch up to veteran players 2.) Travel time. Lets address these a bit. 1.) You cannot catch up w/ veteran players this is in fact true. I would also argue that is pretty damn true in every other MMO as well. Try logging in to eq1 today and catching a playet with 3,000 alternate experience points. Try logging into WOW and catching a guy w/ a full set of epic gear and pvp status. Try logging on to DAOC and catching one of thier five year players....virtually impossible to do. BS...ok, I played them both too and while I agree were talking apples and oranges here, dont sit there and try to tell me Ill never catch up epic gear and pvp status in WOW....they roll new realms every other month..could i join one of them? it takes a few months for me to lvl to 70 and im not even close to hardcore and ive seen good players in wow beat epic geared ones in vp all the time...and also, mr one sided review of eve.....what about BG'S??? did you forget to mention that i can be a lvl 19 and play pvp with people of my own level? any loser can lvl to 19 in a day or 2 can i enjoy any meaningful pvp in a day or 2 in EVE?
And in EVE you dont even have to. The way the skill system works most veteran players have millions of skillpoints that go unused. What being a veteran largely means is you have a greater variety in what you can fly and how you can fit your ships. It doesnt make you X times more powerful then the typical guy. For example when I am flying my carrier I am NOT using all the skillpoints that I have for battleships, frigates, cruisers, battlecruisers, commandships etc. I am not using all my shield tanking skills, trade skills, industrial skills and gunnery skills...of my 40million skpts only about 10-15 million are actually relevant to flying a carrier. Nice that you stuck it out so long and have so many options with your sp's...how long does it take for someone to even get 10-15 million sp's to come close to where you are? answer honestly....im not good at math in my head..but to get 10-15 mlliion sp im guessing minimum very close to a years time....is that a reasonable time to be good at ONE thing? flying a freakin carrier??!!?? if you think so then stay with your time sink game, ill be in my epic pvp gear in wow while your AFKing and raising up your sp's Now if your frigate were to fight my carrier i would certainly win...but for the most part thats not how EVE works. Not like my carrier is going to roam around "the barrens" looking to gank your frigate. And if i did..there is a very good chance that i couldnt catch you anyway-as smaller ships have a ton of evasive techniques that can use against largers ships. The key to getting started in EVE is to focus. If you log on and decide you want to fly a carrier right away you will be frustrated. Just like if you log on to WOW and decide you want to be the best pvp'r w/in a month youll be frustrated, or if you want to do a planes raid in eq1 youll be very frustrated. You need to set your goals and focus very specifically toward them. You can become a VERY effective frigate tackler in about 2-3 months worth of skilling up. You can upgrade to interceptors for tackling shortly thereafter. In my alliance two of our best pilots are under 1 year old. This is in an alliance with MANy veteran players.LOL Bologny.....who wants to be a freakin TACKLER??? LOL...thats like sayin I want to play an MMO so i can clean out the URINALS in Orgrimmar??!! ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?...HEY man..you can be a good tackler in 2-3 months??!! for those of you who dont know what a tackler is....basically you wait 2-3 freakin months just to get to hold down somoene while the big bully gets to beat them up!! LOL>>>>>>>tell me im wrong ...hahaha. Again...you CANT catch up to people with skillpoints..but youll soon see that it isnt even relevant (less relevant actually then any othe game ive played) in every other MMO there was always a glaring difference between my level 40 cleric and someone elses level 70...in EVE you dont eve know what skpts people have. I can honestly say that in the combat wing I fly in...id be lucky if i could guess the "level" of even half the guys i fly with every night. They have thier specialites, things theyre good at, things they enjoy, and we intergrate them into our fleets...thier length of time in game simply doesnt matter.LET me ask you something mr onesided review.....when your in your "combat wing" how often do you actually get to engage an enemy? and be honest here.....if you tell me anything other than we might actually fight 2% of the time and fly around with our thumbs up our @##$% the other 98% your bein dishonest! I can insta-queue a wsg and kill 1000 night elves while your jumping around chatting looking for someone to fight.
2.) TRAVEL....EVE is vast, huge, gigantic, bigger then anything you can possibly imagine. And therein lies a huge portion of its charm. The universe is a living breathing thing. There are alliances of 1,000 members that "live" in the north that ive never even heard of or met, know only of by reputation. There are wars raging 50 jumps away that have no relevance at all to where I live. Where you live, your reputation in that region, the knowledge you have of the area are all VERY important. Due largely to the size of EVE, the fact that travel is in fact dangerous and meaningful. There is no other way to put this..your basically saying....I love to poke my eye with a fork every night....i cant argue with what your tastes are but the rest of us think the travel times are rediculous. There are also many strategic/gameplay reasons why you need travel times to be somehwat signifcant. If a fleet could traverse the expanse of the universe in 20 minutes..then defense, security, allies, alliances, treaties, etc would be virtually meaningless. You would bascially have no control of your space, never know who your enemies or allies really were. As it stands now..if a fleet wants to invade a region of space that is far away it takes a real effort. Logistics, hauling resources and moving the fleet. This is essential to the grand strategic game that is taking place non stop in EVE.I actually agree with this That said...most folks dont actually travel that far. I actually spend more time traveling in other MMO's running around outdoor zones, or from zone to zone then I do in EVE. Most folks tend to find a place to "live". They establish a base or bases in that general area and then they live thier EVE life -roughly in 10-30 systems. There are nights when I dont travel but one or two systems. On a busy night (patrolling) I might travel 20 jumps...If you are traveling 30-45 minutes EVERY night you are playing a unique version of EVE. If you are jumping thirty to forty jumps (one way) just to get somewhere-then returning..you are playing a uniuqe style of EVE. What is wrong with me running around in outdoor zones? let me ask you a question.....IS IT OK WITH YOU THAT YOU ONLY SPEND YOUR TIME WITHIN 20 JUMPS ALL THE TIME?...if its is then god bless you you fund the right game...but for me? i like runing around zones and seeing different sites and discovering new things...but hey, thats just me....I also do triatholon's IRL...some people play dragonballZ. Establish a home, meet some people, pick your agents or trade routes...and settle in. 90% of the EVE community spends very little time just traveling.WOW that sounds like fun....*yawn*
EVE is a game that requires committment to enjoy. There is no question that it can get boring..but every MMO gets boring at times. You have to really dive deeply into the game to get the most out of it. Head over to the forums and review the MANy ways people play EVE. From those that NEVER undock and just work the trade system, to the builders that build ships, to the traders that trade blueprints, to the miners that mine, to the haulers that haul, to the mission runners, the pvp pilots, the complex runners, the pirates, the anti pirates, the major corporations, the minor corporations, the roleplayers, the griefers, the anti-griefers, the industrialists, the spies, the espionage corporations, the POS builders, the outpost builders. etc etc etc..Requires commitment- Umm..about 2-3 years of commitment......it can get boring- boy did you hit the nail on the head with this statement........every mmo gets boring- omg your hopeless.....dive deeply- see *20000 leagues unde the sea*. the game is remarkably complex, remarkably deep, brutal and peaceful...its fantastic! umm...
To the new player that started in this forum. Send "Vantras" an in game message. I will gladly provide you with some isk to help you ease into the game. Consider it a gift from the Amarr Empire...where service and loyalty is the supreme calling.Translation for the noobs out there---- This game sucks so bad Ill pay you to come try it...in fact, Ill pay you ALOT if you join my Corp and come be a Tackler for me after 2-3 months..heck, who knows, if you hang in ther long enough, maybe in a year or 2 Ill even let you mine some ore for us!!!
Mccoyy since you list your age as 41 I will assume that you are a simple person rather then an immature one. I like to think the best of people!!
My post wasnt a review, it was a response. i would spend a good amount of time reviewing both the good and bad in the game...that wasnt the task here--the fellow wanted to know if the game was worth a try-i was answering as best i could based on the two most common criticisms of the game.
You dont like EVE? Thats wonderful for you Mr. Star Trek man...go play whatever you like..not sure you need to haunt this particular thread since you are so obviously upset and hold EVE in such remarkable disdain. Though, oddly, you do seem to know a decent bit about the game that you hate so much....<ponders>
In terms of going point by point..well...your responses were so oddly visceral and interstingly wrong that I dont think its really worth the time.
On the market today..of the major MMO's EVE is probably one of the top five in terms of popularity and its growing daily. I think CCP is quite happy with this and i know the 30,000 of us that log on EVERY night seem to enjoy it as well.
Toodles to you mate..enjoy whatever it is that makes you happy.
Oh..and for someone of such an advanced age i would think you would be able to respond in a bit more of a..shall we say...rational and thoughtful manner.
See you on the Enterprise Mccoyy (live free and prosper)
Mccoyy since you list your age as 41 I will assume that you are a simple person rather then an immature one. I like to think the best of people!!Blah, blah My post wasnt a review, it was a response. i would spend a good amount of time reviewing both the good and bad in the game...that wasnt the task here--the fellow wanted to know if the game was worth a try-i was answering as best i could based on the two most common criticisms of the game.Your best doesnt cut it...see my responses to your outlandish claims above and learn. You dont like EVE? Thats wonderful for you Mr. Star Trek man...go play whatever you like..not sure you need to haunt this particular thread since you are so obviously upset and hold EVE in such remarkable disdain. Though, oddly, you do seem to know a decent bit about the game that you hate so much....<ponders>What makes you upset is that I know what Im talking about...the truth hurts....I am not "haunting" anything...FYI I am definately "NOT" upset, and if you would open your eyes instead of your mouth, well, fingers...you would see I actually complimented EVE in some ways. Never said I hated it...your wrong there Mr. smarty pants....Its kind of like getting a fruitcake for christmas...you know its absolutely horrible, but you dont hate it, and heck, you might even take a bite now and then. In terms of going point by point..well...your responses were so oddly visceral and interstingly wrong that I dont think its really worth the time.Just what makes you right and me wrong?...its not because you can type better? you spelled interestingly wrong.....you are the one who is "upset"..not I....I am right, you are wrong...go ahead, you can say it, you'll feel better when you do, I promise. On the market today..of the major MMO's EVE is probably one of the top five in terms of popularity and its growing daily. I think CCP is quite happy with this and i know the 30,000 of us that log on EVERY night seem to enjoy it as well.O LY? do you think those numbers might be growing because every where you look you see...PLAY EVE FOR FREE!! COME TRY EVE FOR FREE TRIAL!!...Not that there is anything wrong with doing that of course..but you know im right..again, say, Mr Mccoyy..your probably right, its all the Froobs that are makiing our numbers seem to grow. Toodles to you mate..enjoy whatever it is that makes you happy. Oh..and for someone of such an advanced age i would think you would be able to respond in a bit more of a..shall we say...rational and thoughtful manner.The only thing thats Irrational here is you sayin you like the game...deep down inside you know im right...its terrible you just wont admit it See you on the Enterprise Mccoyy (live free and prosper)Live "LONG" and prosper ...
P.S. You said my statements were so interestingly wrong......I challenge you to explain ONE thing i said that was wrong in my previous post??
Mccoyy since you list your age as 41 I will assume that you are a simple person rather then an immature one. I like to think the best of people!!Blah, blah My post wasnt a review, it was a response. i would spend a good amount of time reviewing both the good and bad in the game...that wasnt the task here--the fellow wanted to know if the game was worth a try-i was answering as best i could based on the two most common criticisms of the game.Your best doesnt cut it...see my responses to your outlandish claims above and learn. You dont like EVE? Thats wonderful for you Mr. Star Trek man...go play whatever you like..not sure you need to haunt this particular thread since you are so obviously upset and hold EVE in such remarkable disdain. Though, oddly, you do seem to know a decent bit about the game that you hate so much....<ponders>What makes you upset is that I know what Im talking about...the truth hurts....I am not "haunting" anything...FYI I am definately "NOT" upset, and if you would open your eyes instead of your mouth, well, fingers...you would see I actually complimented EVE in some ways. Never said I hated it...your wrong there Mr. smarty pants....Its kind of like getting a fruitcake for christmas...you know its absolutely horrible, but you dont hate it, and heck, you might even take a bite now and then. In terms of going point by point..well...your responses were so oddly visceral and interstingly wrong that I dont think its really worth the time.Just what makes you right and me wrong?...its not because you can type better? you spelled interestingly wrong.....you are the one who is "upset"..not I....I am right, you are wrong...go ahead, you can say it, you'll feel better when you do, I promise. On the market today..of the major MMO's EVE is probably one of the top five in terms of popularity and its growing daily. I think CCP is quite happy with this and i know the 30,000 of us that log on EVERY night seem to enjoy it as well.O LY? do you think those numbers might be growing because every where you look you see...PLAY EVE FOR FREE!! COME TRY EVE FOR FREE TRIAL!!...Not that there is anything wrong with doing that of course..but you know im right..again, say, Mr Mccoyy..your probably right, its all the Froobs that are makiing our numbers seem to grow. Toodles to you mate..enjoy whatever it is that makes you happy. Oh..and for someone of such an advanced age i would think you would be able to respond in a bit more of a..shall we say...rational and thoughtful manner.The only thing thats Irrational here is you sayin you like the game...deep down inside you know im right...its terrible you just wont admit it See you on the Enterprise Mccoyy (live free and prosper)Live "LONG" and prosper ...
P.S. You said my statements were so interestingly wrong......I challenge you to explain ONE thing i said that was wrong in my previous post?? I'll shoot though it won't just be on this post quoted.
1. Why is it not stupid to stay in small region of EVE and Extremely stupid to do it in WoW? In WoW you simple CANNOT stay in one area, and the game is specifically designed to give you every reason not to stay in an area outside of the very particular lvl bracket. EVE has no areas that are based around a lvl bracket. There is no reason to change areas, trust me I have been across the EVE galaxy and it doesn't change that much, different damage types on the rats, and thats it.
Now with out the time required to move around the galaxy PVP would be about as fun as playing Battlefield 2 with teleport hacks. Now the fact that you don't realize this is frankly an indication of the lack of experience you have with 0.0 operations. hard to try and control a place if people can be in and our with in a few minutes.
2. PVP
Get into a a WoW pvp ground and pvp instantly HAHA don't even make me laugh. If your lucky enough to be playing on a PVP cluster where your alliance is short then your good, your on the wrong side and 30min-2 hour wait times are not uncommon. While where at it lets us mention the numerous flavor of the month builds and absolutely horrible class/gear balance. Do I need to link the Druid "Epic-flight" form video? And the amazing thing is at the end of the instanced battleground, it all gets reset for the next battle!!! Congratulations you have managed to accomplish what I can do in most FPS games with out having to pay a monthly fee.
Now EVE you fight to control of a area with a group of friends if you want to hold onto it you have to defend it. Also might I add that you are not artificially split from other players due to their respective lvls, god for bid a lvl 59 enter into a battleground with a 61.Amazingly you don't have to be a tackler in a gang if your low level, Try EWAR, try different things. Amazingly in EVE your not stuck with a character that has a limited amount of options of what it can do so you can swap between play styles any time. Which means when you do want to try something different your not starting from scratch going through the same areas all over again.
3. number of players
Surprisingly as the head of a training corp for a 0.0 alliance I deal with newer player in the game a lot, this includes those on Trial and more importantly those that have come off of their trials. These people are continuing to play because they enjoy the many aspects that amazingly you dislike. They like to cut out a home in EVE for themselves, they like to push just how much they can do with the SP that they have. And the best part about it is they comeback with new ideas and questions that make some of us vets start thinking about something new.
4. Economy
I will start by saying that I think T20 was a complete idiot for doing what he did, ad I wish that he would have gotten punished more then he did (and I will always think its bad business practice to add'/change an employees punishment after the original punishment had been executed). That said the fact that this even mattered showed that EVE has a better a economy. Most games a GM dumping a Trillion of the highest in game currency wouldn't effect the game in a significant amount. might drive up inflation but that is about it.
Maybe EVE wasn't for you. and don't even try the yeah standard fanboi response crap. WoW wasn't for me, neither was EQ2. Does that mean they are shitty games or that the game systems need to change, hell no. There are games that each person will fit into, and by your remarks on wanting to run around and see all the regions you'll be sadly disappointed in EVE, its not a game of running from area to area, but a game of empire building. As such a game like EVE you won't be traveling much, as well its hard to build an empire if your constantly moving around.
Hey Lonewolf, if you are still reading this thread.... I'd say ignore the flame wars and go out and play and have a good time...that's what I've been doing......
In fact, I'm buying my 2nd account this evening.... just need to decide what road to take with it.....
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It has been said many times in this and other threads..EVE isnt for everyone. If you expect to log on, spend 5minutes setting up your interface and then look around for the NPC w/ a glowing exclamation mark above his head then this is the wrong game. This is a typical EVE veteran response...our game is the most hardcore, etc...
He never said it was the most hardcore He said it isn't for everyone and stated that it's different from other games in how it works. Nice try though.
If you want a game with the most robust economy, industrial and trade system, political system, combat system, skill system in any MMO BY FAR then EVE is for you. Ive played for years and there are entire categories of the game that i dont know anything about yet. Again, very typical response....great economy? how about all the members of BOB gaining billiioins upon blillions of isk thanks to their buddy that works for CCP? does that even bother you?
The total value of the BPO's involved in that particular scandal was 10 billion isk.... 10 billion isk takes a decent sized alliance about oh..... 2 days to make. Sorry it was nowhere near as major an event as you are making it out to be. And the BPO's have been taken away and put back into the lottery. But hey, you get points for bringing up the dev scandal in your rant.
The two biggest complaints about EVE are: 1.) Cant catch up to veteran players 2.) Travel time. Lets address these a bit. 1.) You cannot catch up w/ veteran players this is in fact true. I would also argue that is pretty damn true in every other MMO as well. Try logging in to eq1 today and catching a playet with 3,000 alternate experience points. Try logging into WOW and catching a guy w/ a full set of epic gear and pvp status. Try logging on to DAOC and catching one of thier five year players....virtually impossible to do. BS...ok, I played them both too and while I agree were talking apples and oranges here, dont sit there and try to tell me Ill never catch up epic gear and pvp status in WOW....they roll new realms every other month..could i join one of them? it takes a few months for me to lvl to 70 and im not even close to hardcore and ive seen good players in wow beat epic geared ones in vp all the time...and also, mr one sided review of eve.....what about BG'S??? did you forget to mention that i can be a lvl 19 and play pvp with people of my own level? any loser can lvl to 19 in a day or 2 can i enjoy any meaningful pvp in a day or 2 in EVE?
In an alliance? Absolutely... in 2 days in EVE you can be a good frigate tackler. In a week you can be in a DPS cruiser or you can be in an EWAR Cruiser (takes exactly 4 days to train up the basic skills to fit and fly a celestis, takes about 5 days to train up the basic skills to fit and fly a Blackbird both of these ships are VERY needed in combat fleets. Don't like EWAR? Fit out a fast frigate tackler and get up in the enemies face. Those are needed too. Don't like tackling? Train to be a logistics pilot and fly any of the logistics cruisers (t1) in under a week. No, I didn't say 2 days... then again anyone who can hit 19 in WoW in 2 days has a hell of a lot more free time than I do.
And in EVE you dont even have to. The way the skill system works most veteran players have millions of skillpoints that go unused. What being a veteran largely means is you have a greater variety in what you can fly and how you can fit your ships. It doesnt make you X times more powerful then the typical guy. For example when I am flying my carrier I am NOT using all the skillpoints that I have for battleships, frigates, cruisers, battlecruisers, commandships etc. I am not using all my shield tanking skills, trade skills, industrial skills and gunnery skills...of my 40million skpts only about 10-15 million are actually relevant to flying a carrier. Nice that you stuck it out so long and have so many options with your sp's...how long does it take for someone to even get 10-15 million sp's to come close to where you are? answer honestly....im not good at math in my head..but to get 10-15 mlliion sp im guessing minimum very close to a years time....is that a reasonable time to be good at ONE thing? flying a freakin carrier??!!?? if you think so then stay with your time sink game, ill be in my epic pvp gear in wow while your AFKing and raising up your sp's
Look, we get it, eve isn't for you. But stop with the overgeneralization. Once you can fly a carrier there are already tons of other ships you can fly equally well. Here's an example.... If you were to go "recon" (which takes right around 4-5 months to be an effective Recon pilot): By the time you reach that 5 month point you will also be: Frigates level 5 (a very effective frigate pilot) Covops level 4 (A very effective covert ops pilot) Cruisers 5 (A very effective cruiser pilot) Recon 4 (a very effective recon pilot)
Lets say you skill up, as I have, to fly interdictors:
1 - very effective frigate pilot
2 - very effective destroyer pilot
3 - very effective interceptor pilot
4 - very effective interdictor pilot
Takes about 5 months from day 1
You can become a VERY effective frigate tackler in about 2-3 months worth of skilling up. You can upgrade to interceptors for tackling shortly thereafter. In my alliance two of our best pilots are under 1 year old. This is in an alliance with MANy veteran players.LOL Bologny.....who wants to be a freakin TACKLER??? LOL...thats like sayin I want to play an MMO so i can clean out the URINALS in Orgrimmar??!! ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?...HEY man..you can be a good tackler in 2-3 months??!! for those of you who dont know what a tackler is....basically you wait 2-3 freakin months just to get to hold down somoene while the big bully gets to beat them up!! LOL>>>>>>>tell me im wrong ...hahaha.
LOL ok I agree with you IF it really took 3 months to fly a tackler... it doesn't... you can be a very effective tackler in the game in a matter of days. Not months. In MONTHS you'll be an interdictor pilot and also have interceptors etc... that's if you're into tackling... you could have gone recon... you could go battleship.... you could be going to HAC's (which take about 6 months) etc. In 2-3 months you'll have around 4 million SP and be highly effective in multiple areas. If you wanted to be a miner in 2-3 months you could be in a hulk mining along with the vets if you wanted.
Again...you CANT catch up to people with skillpoints..but youll soon see that it isnt even relevant (less relevant actually then any othe game ive played) in every other MMO there was always a glaring difference between my level 40 cleric and someone elses level 70...in EVE you dont eve know what skpts people have. I can honestly say that in the combat wing I fly in...id be lucky if i could guess the "level" of even half the guys i fly with every night. They have thier specialites, things theyre good at, things they enjoy, and we intergrate them into our fleets...thier length of time in game simply doesnt matter.LET me ask you something mr onesided review.....when your in your "combat wing" how often do you actually get to engage an enemy? and be honest here.....if you tell me anything other than we might actually fight 2% of the time and fly around with our thumbs up our @##$% the other 98% your bein dishonest! I can insta-queue a wsg and kill 1000 night elves while your jumping around chatting looking for someone to fight.
One would point out that his night patrolling engaging hostile fleets or just the random spy trying to penetrate his alliance's territory is far more important and has far more meaning (within the bounds of EVE) than your ability to gank 1000 night elves in a meaningless hack-n-slash fest. It just depends on perspective. What you find fun he doesn't. What he finds fun you don't. As has been said many times: EVE is not for everyone. No MMO is. They all appeal to different players and play styles. You are the one making broad generalizations about the game. He's just giving you his perspective.
There are also many strategic/gameplay reasons why you need travel times to be somehwat signifcant. If a fleet could traverse the expanse of the universe in 20 minutes..then defense, security, allies, alliances, treaties, etc would be virtually meaningless. You would bascially have no control of your space, never know who your enemies or allies really were. As it stands now..if a fleet wants to invade a region of space that is far away it takes a real effort. Logistics, hauling resources and moving the fleet. This is essential to the grand strategic game that is taking place non stop in EVE.I actually agree with this
So what you're saying is you understand why there's travel time but you just don't like it? That's cool... that just means EVE isn't your cup of tea So why are you getting so confrontational?
That said...most folks dont actually travel that far. I actually spend more time traveling in other MMO's running around outdoor zones, or from zone to zone then I do in EVE. Most folks tend to find a place to "live". They establish a base or bases in that general area and then they live thier EVE life -roughly in 10-30 systems. There are nights when I dont travel but one or two systems. On a busy night (patrolling) I might travel 20 jumps...If you are traveling 30-45 minutes EVERY night you are playing a unique version of EVE. If you are jumping thirty to forty jumps (one way) just to get somewhere-then returning..you are playing a uniuqe style of EVE. What is wrong with me running around in outdoor zones? let me ask you a question.....IS IT OK WITH YOU THAT YOU ONLY SPEND YOUR TIME WITHIN 20 JUMPS ALL THE TIME?...if its is then god bless you you fund the right game...but for me? i like runing around zones and seeing different sites and discovering new things...but hey, thats just me....I also do triatholon's IRL...some people play dragonballZ.
CAN you play EVE as a traveler? An explorer? A wanderer? SURE you can... the option is there. But that's not what the game is 'about' really. The option is there. And if you chose that option you get to deal with travel times. Though there are ways to drastically reduce travel time if that's what you want to do. Get ships that align and warp quickly (interceptors, interdictors, covops) and use those, they'll cut your travel time by scads.
I don't see anywhere where he said there was anything wrong with you liking to wander around among different zones. He was just explaining that EVE is different than those games. Again you are getting confrontational over this. And frankly it's getting old. Why can't you just grasp this simple fact: EVE is different than other MMORPG's. In other MMORPG's you absolutely MUST travel. In EVE you don't need to travel at all if you don't want to. Mission runners (unless they're doing courier missions) never fly more than 1, maybe 2 jumps away from their home system except if they decide to go shopping. Miners rarely go very far either. PVP'ers tend to roam around within a constellation or region, depending on how big the territory they claim is. Pirates tend to hang out in 1 or 2 systems and never really leave those areas. EVE is designed around the idea that you live in a place and it's your home. You may travel to visit other places, occasionally you may move... but once you have a home you tend to spend most of your time around home. Do you drive to the other side of your continent every day of your life? Do you go visit people halfway across the country every day? No, you don't. Same goes for EVE. EVE isn't about travelling everywhere and seeing new zones. It's about building empires, establishing roots and trying to make an impact on the galaxy.
Can you play EVE as a traveller/explorer/wanderer? Absolutely. You CAN play EVE however you wish... that's part of what makes it so awesome for those of us who enjoy it. For those who can't get past the idea that travel takes time.. there are other games out there. Go play them. Don't try to change ours to suit your taste.
Establish a home, meet some people, pick your agents or trade routes...and settle in. 90% of the EVE community spends very little time just traveling.WOW that sounds like fun....*yawn*
Actually it is a lot of fun. My alliance controlls several entire sectors of space and we're in the process of conquering another. Can't do that in WoW/EQ etc. DAOC doesn't even come close to comparing to the empire building possible in EVE. But hey... WE GET IT... Eve isn't your thing. We enjoy it. I don't see him complaining about how you play your game or what you enjoy. The only one here criticizing other's playstyle here is you. We get it, you don't like it. That's fine. WE DO and we have explained why.
EVE is a game that requires committment to enjoy. There is no question that it can get boring..but every MMO gets boring at times. You have to really dive deeply into the game to get the most out of it. Head over to the forums and review the MANy ways people play EVE. From those that NEVER undock and just work the trade system, to the builders that build ships, to the traders that trade blueprints, to the miners that mine, to the haulers that haul, to the mission runners, the pvp pilots, the complex runners, the pirates, the anti pirates, the major corporations, the minor corporations, the roleplayers, the griefers, the anti-griefers, the industrialists, the spies, the espionage corporations, the POS builders, the outpost builders. etc etc etc..Requires commitment- Umm..about 2-3 years of commitment......it can get boring- boy did you hit the nail on the head with this statement........every mmo gets boring- omg your hopeless.....dive deeply- see *20000 leagues unde the sea*.
Oh boy.... here we go with the insults again. People enjoy EVE right from the first day or they wouldn't stick with it Sure it's not your thing. It may not even be most people's thing. But saying it's boring and it sucks is silly. EVE is not boring to those of us who enjoy it. If it were we probably wouldn't enjoy it We'd leave and find other games to play LOL. Hell... MOST of us do play other games. I play LOTR:O I know plenty of EVE players who also play WOW. I also play BF2142 from time to time. But I still really enjoy EVE.
the game is remarkably complex, remarkably deep, brutal and peaceful...its fantastic! umm...
To the new player that started in this forum. Send "Vantras" an in game message. I will gladly provide you with some isk to help you ease into the game. Consider it a gift from the Amarr Empire...where service and loyalty is the supreme calling.Translation for the noobs out there---- This game sucks so bad Ill pay you to come try it...in fact, Ill pay you ALOT if you join my Corp and come be a Tackler for me after 2-3 months..heck, who knows, if you hang in ther long enough, maybe in a year or 2 Ill even let you mine some ore for us!!!
Whee and finally we see that McCoy isn't here for discussion at all. He just wants to hurl insults and bash the game. Please go troll elsewhere. Just because you don't like the game doesn't make it a bad game. Just because you don't like some of it's features doesn't make them bad features. No game is ever going to please everyone all the time. EVE has the features it does because it needs most of them in order for the game to function properly. WoW has the features it has because it's built around those features and needs them to function properly. Every game has features... Some people like them... other's dont. If every game had the same features as every other game it'd be a pretty damn boring gaming world out there.
I get that you don't like EVE but constantly trolling the forums is a waste of our time, and yours. Go enjoy YOUR game and let us enjoy ours. As even you admitted: It's a free trial. Let people find out for themselves whether they like the game. There's no need to try to warn them off. Who knows. They may be insane like I am and love it.
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I´m just gonna say again that though it is true you can never catch up to the veterans in total sp. You can catch up to them in specific field eg. you can be just as good t2 sniper as a veteran player. The only difference is that the veteran will have higher amount of things he can do well.
Just to let you know I am still reading this post and decided to purchase an eve account after playing the trial for a bit really enjoying it, alot more indepth than other MMORPG's and I guess that is why I am enjoying it more at the moment
My name is Lonez ingame if anyone on here is interested or just wants to say hello
I am currently attempting to play a mining character but tempted to buy a second account to use for PvP and agent missions so I can then use the cash from mining to kit him out is this a good idea?
Just to let you know I am still reading this post and decided to purchase an eve account after playing the trial for a bit really enjoying it, alot more indepth than other MMORPG's and I guess that is why I am enjoying it more at the moment
My name is Lonez ingame if anyone on here is interested or just wants to say hello
I am currently attempting to play a mining character but tempted to buy a second account to use for PvP and agent missions so I can then use the cash from mining to kit him out is this a good idea?
Sure that is what a lot of players do. They have one character that's mining/industrial/trade and another that is PVP/Missions. I have only ever had 1 account so it wasn't a route I was able to persue
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I have also played World of WarCraft, and while I recognize it as an entertaining, easy-going game ( you can play it hardcore, but the game is never hardcore in and out of itself - it is way too forgiving for that ), it is just too 'plain' for me. The very instant I roll a character I get a sense that what I am about to experience has been experienced a thousand times by millions of players. There is nothing unique in my road from level 1 to 70. EVE Online, however, underlines uniqueness - how my corporation works, and how I work within it, is certainly unique to the EVE universe ( in some way, at least ).
EVE does require patience - a lot of it, in fact. But it is supremely rewarding, and with all the forthcoming content-updates ( station-walking, graphical over-haul etc. ) I just do not see the game dying or evaporating at all.
I CAN claim that EVE has worse traveling times than most MMO's.
For fun, look at the thread in EVE online forums entitled "what would you change about EVE to make you come back"?
please go read them and then come back and tell me what the overwhelming theme is from the posters there.. the down time is unbelievable....Fights take too long, going 10 jumps is like going to the dentist...just getting through a jump gate is like agony...jump clones? cmon..they are so limited ..why should i have to choose between waiting a whole day or jumping 40 jumps if i want to get around...not a very pleasant thing to choose from...I didnt tell these people to say anthing.lol
long travel time = downtime......now, ive said before that whether or not you have "fun" when playing EVE is subjective, but the ungodly travel and down time in EVE is NOT!!
I agree that the road from lvl 1-70 in WOW is redundant, there is no question about that. and im definately not saying EVE will evaporate and here's why....
Im going to say something here that not too many people know.....
ALMOST ALL OF THE MMO'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW SUCK!!
you get a decent game like EVE (and yes, i dont hate EVE i can understand how some can like it..just not for me and the majority), wow and so forth...and what else is there? some of the better games like AO, AC, are washed up...they are too old now and noone in thier right mind would play them...sorry for all the diehards that are hanging on to them but you'all are probably the ones who still think the world is flat....not to mention that EVE is far and away the only game in town if you like flying space ships....
There are people still think the sun revolves around the earth, there are those who recently thought the world was coming to an end and now theyre pushing their dates back cuz it didnt happen when they thought..LOL....so no, I dont expect people that love EVE to suddently come to their senses and realize what a boring game it is.....especially if you had the patience to hang in there and maybe get a good friends to hang out with while playing.
EDIT: Dont even get me started about how the ACTUAL DEV's for this game help the dominant Corporation !! LOL..and dont say I dont know what Im talkin about cuz you know its true.
if flying around in a spaceship equals fun to you than by all means go ahead. this game is pretty boring if you ask me.
Jaed...thanks very much for the compliment...
I dont usually comment much about the cheating Devs because as a business owner I understand how a bad egg (or 2) can look for your overall company even though you might have the best intentions....however, when a guy like me who is very competitive hears something like this it kind of makes my stomach sick.....
Remember in Braveheart when William Wallace was on the battlefield and the guy pulled his mask off and it was his "suppsed" friend who was there helping the English? I sort of feel like that when i think of a Dev cheating like that...so its really mixed emotions.
http://wiki.goonfleet.com/index.php?title=Recommended_Base_Stat_Builds
you could compare your current character to these stats and if you don't like what you see, re-roll following the guildlines here.
I chose Caldari PVE build for my first character as I plan to use him to earn me some money starting out. (I despise mining).... so this seemed like a great choice. Train up skills that let you fly Caldari missile ships, for agent missions and other PVE ratting they are quite excellent. Their ability to kite and attack from long range makes them the perfect mission runner.
As to the skill tree you should follow...almost impossible for anyone to do for you. The great thing about EvE (for me) is you have such freedom to develop the character your way. Even if you spec the build I did above, I can always change it and start training skills that will make me a better PVP player ...(guns instead of missiles).
I'm coming up on my 3rd week, just purchased a sweet Drake Battlecruiser (7 missile launcher spots!!!!!) and as soon as I get a little extra cash to outfit/insure it properly (always insure your ships) I'll take it out for a spin.
Start searching the internet. I've downloaded least 8 noob guides so far that have covered everything from PVP, PVE, general game play, mining (yes, I read the 40 page guide to see what it was about) and ship fitting. I'm sure there are countless more, and my corp mates have numerous resources I've yet to take advantage of.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
It has been said many times in this and other threads..EVE isnt for everyone. If you expect to log on, spend 5minutes setting up your interface and then look around for the NPC w/ a glowing exclamation mark above his head then this is the wrong game.
If you want a game with the most robust economy, industrial and trade system, political system, combat system, skill system in any MMO BY FAR then EVE is for you. Ive played for years and there are entire categories of the game that i dont know anything about yet.
The two biggest complaints about EVE are:
1.) Cant catch up to veteran players
2.) Travel time.
Lets address these a bit.
1.) You cannot catch up w/ veteran players this is in fact true. I would also argue that is pretty damn true in every other MMO as well. Try logging in to eq1 today and catching a playet with 3,000 alternate experience points. Try logging into WOW and catching a guy w/ a full set of epic gear and pvp status. Try logging on to DAOC and catching one of thier five year players....virtually impossible to do.
And in EVE you dont even have to. The way the skill system works most veteran players have millions of skillpoints that go unused. What being a veteran largely means is you have a greater variety in what you can fly and how you can fit your ships. It doesnt make you X times more powerful then the typical guy. For example when I am flying my carrier I am NOT using all the skillpoints that I have for battleships, frigates, cruisers, battlecruisers, commandships etc. I am not using all my shield tanking skills, trade skills, industrial skills and gunnery skills...of my 40million skpts only about 10-15 million are actually relevant to flying a carrier.
Now if your frigate were to fight my carrier i would certainly win...but for the most part thats not how EVE works. Not like my carrier is going to roam around "the barrens" looking to gank your frigate. And if i did..there is a very good chance that i couldnt catch you anyway-as smaller ships have a ton of evasive techniques that can use against largers ships.
The key to getting started in EVE is to focus. If you log on and decide you want to fly a carrier right away you will be frustrated. Just like if you log on to WOW and decide you want to be the best pvp'r w/in a month youll be frustrated, or if you want to do a planes raid in eq1 youll be very frustrated. You need to set your goals and focus very specifically toward them.
You can become a VERY effective frigate tackler in about 2-3 months worth of skilling up. You can upgrade to interceptors for tackling shortly thereafter. In my alliance two of our best pilots are under 1 year old. This is in an alliance with MANy veteran players.
Again...you CANT catch up to people with skillpoints..but youll soon see that it isnt even relevant (less relevant actually then any othe game ive played) in every other MMO there was always a glaring difference between my level 40 cleric and someone elses level 70...in EVE you dont eve know what skpts people have. I can honestly say that in the combat wing I fly in...id be lucky if i could guess the "level" of even half the guys i fly with every night. They have thier specialites, things theyre good at, things they enjoy, and we intergrate them into our fleets...thier length of time in game simply doesnt matter.
2.) TRAVEL....EVE is vast, huge, gigantic, bigger then anything you can possibly imagine. And therein lies a huge portion of its charm. The universe is a living breathing thing. There are alliances of 1,000 members that "live" in the north that ive never even heard of or met, know only of by reputation. There are wars raging 50 jumps away that have no relevance at all to where I live. Where you live, your reputation in that region, the knowledge you have of the area are all VERY important. Due largely to the size of EVE, the fact that travel is in fact dangerous and meaningful.
There are also many strategic/gameplay reasons why you need travel times to be somehwat signifcant. If a fleet could traverse the expanse of the universe in 20 minutes..then defense, security, allies, alliances, treaties, etc would be virtually meaningless. You would bascially have no control of your space, never know who your enemies or allies really were. As it stands now..if a fleet wants to invade a region of space that is far away it takes a real effort. Logistics, hauling resources and moving the fleet. This is essential to the grand strategic game that is taking place non stop in EVE.
That said...most folks dont actually travel that far. I actually spend more time traveling in other MMO's running around outdoor zones, or from zone to zone then I do in EVE. Most folks tend to find a place to "live". They establish a base or bases in that general area and then they live thier EVE life -roughly in 10-30 systems. There are nights when I dont travel but one or two systems. On a busy night (patrolling) I might travel 20 jumps...If you are traveling 30-45 minutes EVERY night you are playing a unique version of EVE. If you are jumping thirty to forty jumps (one way) just to get somewhere-then returning..you are playing a uniuqe style of EVE.
Establish a home, meet some people, pick your agents or trade routes...and settle in. 90% of the EVE community spends very little time just traveling.
EVE is a game that requires committment to enjoy. There is no question that it can get boring..but every MMO gets boring at times. You have to really dive deeply into the game to get the most out of it. Head over to the forums and review the MANy ways people play EVE. From those that NEVER undock and just work the trade system, to the builders that build ships, to the traders that trade blueprints, to the miners that mine, to the haulers that haul, to the mission runners, the pvp pilots, the complex runners, the pirates, the anti pirates, the major corporations, the minor corporations, the roleplayers, the griefers, the anti-griefers, the industrialists, the spies, the espionage corporations, the POS builders, the outpost builders. etc etc etc..
the game is remarkably complex, remarkably deep, brutal and peaceful...its fantastic!
To the new player that started in this forum. Send "Vantras" an in game message. I will gladly provide you with some isk to help you ease into the game. Consider it a gift from the Amarr Empire...where service and loyalty is the supreme calling.
Vantras (Director Amarr Border Defense) -The CVA Alliance!
Mccoyy since you list your age as 41 I will assume that you are a simple person rather then an immature one. I like to think the best of people!!
My post wasnt a review, it was a response. i would spend a good amount of time reviewing both the good and bad in the game...that wasnt the task here--the fellow wanted to know if the game was worth a try-i was answering as best i could based on the two most common criticisms of the game.
You dont like EVE? Thats wonderful for you Mr. Star Trek man...go play whatever you like..not sure you need to haunt this particular thread since you are so obviously upset and hold EVE in such remarkable disdain. Though, oddly, you do seem to know a decent bit about the game that you hate so much....<ponders>
In terms of going point by point..well...your responses were so oddly visceral and interstingly wrong that I dont think its really worth the time.
On the market today..of the major MMO's EVE is probably one of the top five in terms of popularity and its growing daily. I think CCP is quite happy with this and i know the 30,000 of us that log on EVERY night seem to enjoy it as well.
Toodles to you mate..enjoy whatever it is that makes you happy.
Oh..and for someone of such an advanced age i would think you would be able to respond in a bit more of a..shall we say...rational and thoughtful manner.
See you on the Enterprise Mccoyy (live free and prosper)
P.S. You said my statements were so interestingly wrong......I challenge you to explain ONE thing i said that was wrong in my previous post??CCP published its most recent game stats. They have 170,000 paid accounts and 30,000 free acccounts.
In terms of the rest of it...I will assume the verbal prowess of my foe and say "blah blah"...
Keep holding out for Star Trek online there Doc....im sure in 7 years it will be a real shining star.
1. Why is it not stupid to stay in small region of EVE and Extremely stupid to do it in WoW? In WoW you simple CANNOT stay in one area, and the game is specifically designed to give you every reason not to stay in an area outside of the very particular lvl bracket. EVE has no areas that are based around a lvl bracket. There is no reason to change areas, trust me I have been across the EVE galaxy and it doesn't change that much, different damage types on the rats, and thats it.
Now with out the time required to move around the galaxy PVP would be about as fun as playing Battlefield 2 with teleport hacks. Now the fact that you don't realize this is frankly an indication of the lack of experience you have with 0.0 operations. hard to try and control a place if people can be in and our with in a few minutes.
2. PVP
Get into a a WoW pvp ground and pvp instantly HAHA don't even make me laugh. If your lucky enough to be playing on a PVP cluster where your alliance is short then your good, your on the wrong side and 30min-2 hour wait times are not uncommon. While where at it lets us mention the numerous flavor of the month builds and absolutely horrible class/gear balance. Do I need to link the Druid "Epic-flight" form video? And the amazing thing is at the end of the instanced battleground, it all gets reset for the next battle!!! Congratulations you have managed to accomplish what I can do in most FPS games with out having to pay a monthly fee.
Now EVE you fight to control of a area with a group of friends if you want to hold onto it you have to defend it. Also might I add that you are not artificially split from other players due to their respective lvls, god for bid a lvl 59 enter into a battleground with a 61.Amazingly you don't have to be a tackler in a gang if your low level, Try EWAR, try different things. Amazingly in EVE your not stuck with a character that has a limited amount of options of what it can do so you can swap between play styles any time. Which means when you do want to try something different your not starting from scratch going through the same areas all over again.
3. number of players
Surprisingly as the head of a training corp for a 0.0 alliance I deal with newer player in the game a lot, this includes those on Trial and more importantly those that have come off of their trials. These people are continuing to play because they enjoy the many aspects that amazingly you dislike. They like to cut out a home in EVE for themselves, they like to push just how much they can do with the SP that they have. And the best part about it is they comeback with new ideas and questions that make some of us vets start thinking about something new.
4. Economy
I will start by saying that I think T20 was a complete idiot for doing what he did, ad I wish that he would have gotten punished more then he did (and I will always think its bad business practice to add'/change an employees punishment after the original punishment had been executed). That said the fact that this even mattered showed that EVE has a better a economy. Most games a GM dumping a Trillion of the highest in game currency wouldn't effect the game in a significant amount. might drive up inflation but that is about it.
Maybe EVE wasn't for you. and don't even try the yeah standard fanboi response crap. WoW wasn't for me, neither was EQ2. Does that mean they are shitty games or that the game systems need to change, hell no. There are games that each person will fit into, and by your remarks on wanting to run around and see all the regions you'll be sadly disappointed in EVE, its not a game of running from area to area, but a game of empire building. As such a game like EVE you won't be traveling much, as well its hard to build an empire if your constantly moving around.
Wasting your breath though. I gave up on answering him when it became apparent that he's un-interested in reality and just wants to have an arguement.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
He never said it was the most hardcore
The total value of the BPO's involved in that particular scandal was 10 billion isk.... 10 billion isk takes a decent sized alliance about oh..... 2 days to make. Sorry it was nowhere near as major an event as you are making it out to be. And the BPO's have been taken away and put back into the lottery. But hey, you get points for bringing up the dev scandal in your rant.
In an alliance? Absolutely... in 2 days in EVE you can be a good frigate tackler. In a week you can be in a DPS cruiser or you can be in an EWAR Cruiser (takes exactly 4 days to train up the basic skills to fit and fly a celestis, takes about 5 days to train up the basic skills to fit and fly a Blackbird both of these ships are VERY needed in combat fleets. Don't like EWAR? Fit out a fast frigate tackler and get up in the enemies face. Those are needed too. Don't like tackling? Train to be a logistics pilot and fly any of the logistics cruisers (t1) in under a week. No, I didn't say 2 days... then again anyone who can hit 19 in WoW in 2 days has a hell of a lot more free time than I do.
Look, we get it, eve isn't for you. But stop with the overgeneralization. Once you can fly a carrier there are already tons of other ships you can fly equally well. Here's an example.... If you were to go "recon" (which takes right around 4-5 months to be an effective Recon pilot):
By the time you reach that 5 month point you will also be:
Frigates level 5 (a very effective frigate pilot)
Covops level 4 (A very effective covert ops pilot)
Cruisers 5 (A very effective cruiser pilot)
Recon 4 (a very effective recon pilot)
Lets say you skill up, as I have, to fly interdictors:
1 - very effective frigate pilot
2 - very effective destroyer pilot
3 - very effective interceptor pilot
4 - very effective interdictor pilot
Takes about 5 months from day 1
LOL ok I agree with you IF it really took 3 months to fly a tackler... it doesn't... you can be a very effective tackler in the game in a matter of days. Not months. In MONTHS you'll be an interdictor pilot and also have interceptors etc... that's if you're into tackling... you could have gone recon... you could go battleship.... you could be going to HAC's (which take about 6 months) etc. In 2-3 months you'll have around 4 million SP and be highly effective in multiple areas. If you wanted to be a miner in 2-3 months you could be in a hulk mining along with the vets if you wanted.
One would point out that his night patrolling engaging hostile fleets or just the random spy trying to penetrate his alliance's territory is far more important and has far more meaning (within the bounds of EVE) than your ability to gank 1000 night elves in a meaningless hack-n-slash fest. It just depends on perspective. What you find fun he doesn't. What he finds fun you don't. As has been said many times: EVE is not for everyone. No MMO is. They all appeal to different players and play styles. You are the one making broad generalizations about the game. He's just giving you his perspective.
So what you're saying is you understand why there's travel time but you just don't like it? That's cool... that just means EVE isn't your cup of tea
CAN you play EVE as a traveler? An explorer? A wanderer? SURE you can... the option is there. But that's not what the game is 'about' really. The option is there. And if you chose that option you get to deal with travel times. Though there are ways to drastically reduce travel time if that's what you want to do. Get ships that align and warp quickly (interceptors, interdictors, covops) and use those, they'll cut your travel time by scads.
I don't see anywhere where he said there was anything wrong with you liking to wander around among different zones. He was just explaining that EVE is different than those games. Again you are getting confrontational over this. And frankly it's getting old. Why can't you just grasp this simple fact: EVE is different than other MMORPG's. In other MMORPG's you absolutely MUST travel. In EVE you don't need to travel at all if you don't want to. Mission runners (unless they're doing courier missions) never fly more than 1, maybe 2 jumps away from their home system except if they decide to go shopping. Miners rarely go very far either. PVP'ers tend to roam around within a constellation or region, depending on how big the territory they claim is. Pirates tend to hang out in 1 or 2 systems and never really leave those areas. EVE is designed around the idea that you live in a place and it's your home. You may travel to visit other places, occasionally you may move... but once you have a home you tend to spend most of your time around home. Do you drive to the other side of your continent every day of your life? Do you go visit people halfway across the country every day? No, you don't. Same goes for EVE. EVE isn't about travelling everywhere and seeing new zones. It's about building empires, establishing roots and trying to make an impact on the galaxy.
Can you play EVE as a traveller/explorer/wanderer? Absolutely. You CAN play EVE however you wish... that's part of what makes it so awesome for those of us who enjoy it. For those who can't get past the idea that travel takes time.. there are other games out there. Go play them. Don't try to change ours to suit your taste.
Actually it is a lot of fun. My alliance controlls several entire sectors of space and we're in the process of conquering another. Can't do that in WoW/EQ etc. DAOC doesn't even come close to comparing to the empire building possible in EVE. But hey... WE GET IT... Eve isn't your thing. We enjoy it. I don't see him complaining about how you play your game or what you enjoy. The only one here criticizing other's playstyle here is you. We get it, you don't like it. That's fine. WE DO and we have explained why.
Oh boy.... here we go with the insults again. People enjoy EVE right from the first day or they wouldn't stick with it Sure it's not your thing. It may not even be most people's thing. But saying it's boring and it sucks is silly. EVE is not boring to those of us who enjoy it. If it were we probably wouldn't enjoy it
Whee and finally we see that McCoy isn't here for discussion at all. He just wants to hurl insults and bash the game. Please go troll elsewhere. Just because you don't like the game doesn't make it a bad game. Just because you don't like some of it's features doesn't make them bad features. No game is ever going to please everyone all the time. EVE has the features it does because it needs most of them in order for the game to function properly. WoW has the features it has because it's built around those features and needs them to function properly. Every game has features... Some people like them... other's dont. If every game had the same features as every other game it'd be a pretty damn boring gaming world out there.
I get that you don't like EVE but constantly trolling the forums is a waste of our time, and yours. Go enjoy YOUR game and let us enjoy ours. As even you admitted: It's a free trial. Let people find out for themselves whether they like the game. There's no need to try to warn them off. Who knows. They may be insane like I am and love it.
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I am currently attempting to play a mining character but tempted to buy a second account to use for PvP and agent missions so I can then use the cash from mining to kit him out is this a good idea?
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