Multiple accounts and botters.......

breibender · June 2007

I know at least one guy who is sitting in his house with 4 or 5 computers on all day botting away on all his skills.... talk about no life lol, his in game names are: <Mod edit> as far as i could discover till now... i reported everything i knew to the CSR in this game but they dont seem to care. He also had the posesion to the account of a guy called <Mod edit> till he returned to the game.. most funny part is that the guild <Mod edit>, of wich he is guildleader, says in the guildrules u should respect the CoC lol...... Im starting to get afraid that my dream of a botfree game will never come thru and all the hope i had for Ryzom to be one just vanished.... Is everyone a bot in this game?

There are people with multiple accounts in game who use one account to botheal their other.... and what shocks me the most is that its almost common knowledge and people respect these people for their master on different skills....

Well im canceling my acount and hope some1 can give me a link to a game without botters and hackers.

flood950 · June 2007

There was (maybe still is?) a case of this in WoW a couple years back on one of the servers. He had 5 characters being controlled at the same time and use to just crush everything that moved in PvP. When word of this really started to circulate the guy didnt hide what was happening and even posted on the forums in detail how his setup functioned. At that time, it was well within the rules of the game and it turned from people questioning if it was a violation of the game, into a discussion of how technically advanced he was to be able to have a setup that worked like this with that game.

montin · June 2007

Bots and hacking is just part of online gaming. The best thing is to accept it and ignore it. If it drives you out of a game then those hackers have won. I used to in WoW at times hang around bot areas and kept killing them. I'm sure the person running the bots didn't care but it made me feel better

Forever · June 2007

About botters in Ryzom, it's not easy to bot and there are not many that do it. Also it's easy to spot someone botting and the best thing to do is report them to the CSR team.

I'm one of the players that has 2 accounts and plays them both at the same time. This is not an easy thing to do; you have to control both toons at the same time. Why should I not be able to use 2 accounts? I pay for both account, I leveled both accounts and have never botted once. I wanted a little more challenge in game after playing with 1 account for a few years, so I decided to try and play 2 accounts at once.

Jamela · June 2007

Having multiple accounts is neither botting nor hacking. These are not rife in Ryzom, although multiple accounts are not uncommon. I've several myself but only one old pc. Your dislike of dual-boxing is your opinion, Breibender, but I don't agree with you. I've never been able to try controlling two characters at once, but as Forever said, I am sure that it is not easy. Ingame it is pretty clear from my own experience that it is as much a hindrance as an advantage.

Thankyou, moderators.

frkhot97 · June 2007

Dual boxers aren't all that uncommon in Ryzom. People do it for various reasons; some dig in highlevel areas during off-hours, some have a "caddie" to carry ammunition for launchers, some have an extra character for extra inventory space, etc.

The question is, how does it affect your gameplay?

Leveling doesn't matter, cause that is usually dependant on how many hours you can spend on playing the game. And we all know that gold sellingis a non-issue in Ryzom. Dual boxing hardly matters in an OP battle with 80-150 participants.

Me, I can't do two things at the same time. I couldn't handle two characters.

breibender · June 2007

Im not talking about some1 who is simply pushin buttons on 2 keyboards, im talking about some1 who says, i got <insert name> set on <insert name> health points, so when they drop he starts healing... dual box all u want but play the game fair.... to bad they edited out names cuz i think u guys would say something totally different... i also got warned i cant post certain screenshots so dont ask for them....

irukandji · June 2007

Doesn't playing multiple accounts, that are assisting each other with heals and cping, kind of defeat the MMOness of these games? /shrugs....seems strange people play an online game with themselves but if they pay their money who am I to tell them to stop. I just find it odd.....

Gilgameesh · June 2007

Botting is against CoC but running multiple accounts is not. About respecting people, i don't think it goes because of skills, but certainly because of good chatting and great fun. Ryzom is one of the few mmo where you don't need to be master to enjoy the game.

Cancelling an account because of some doing bad means nothing. I assume you will go cancelling all your mmo's subs if you think in this way. Why you wanna stop having fun in a game because of others? Go around this, ignore people that you don't like and play with people you like.

I never cared of people botting in the same way i don't think any master title will turn someone as a better player than before the title.

kyesmith13 · June 2007

If you have any proof someone is botting then you'd report them and not cancel your account in a huff?

Altho i dont agree with neva about botting in ryzom being complex (if someone wants to do in any game they will, and the /tar and macro system would simplify it) i have seen very few botters, as i said if you know someone is botting inform the csr who will take action

abyss610 · June 2007

like others have said there is nothing wrong with having multiple accounts. and more than likely what is going on isn't what you think it is (botting). i use to play EQOA still kinda do and on there it is impossible to bot (its for PS2) BUT there is ALOT of people running around playing more than one character at a time. easiest being the second account is their healer, all they do is auto follow the other account keep that character targeted and when need to heal push the button. my one friend use to play 3 accounts at once.

atelia · June 2007

by giving away guild and players names seems to me more like a personal issue and an imature behavour loosing any vote of confidence you could have raise from this post

you cant call someone has no life without knowing his backround

many people who spend hours of playing games have dissability or health problems and that can be one reason ''they have no life''

some of them decide to hide it and not announce it because they dont want others to feel sorry about them

about the multiple account

i first played the game in beta with my wife and start playing it again 6 months after it was releaased

share accounts is against the COC of the game

but i can assure you he is not the only person who uses more than one account many people do and why shouldn they if they pay for it?

does it makes me and my wife a boter when one of us uses both accounts at the same time?

i hope the answer is no

this game has a really perfect macro system and unlike someone post above i find it really easy too handle both accounts at the same time

at the past i have use it for care planning but pressing one button

even at outpost war is still pretty easy for me to do if i feel like by setting the second charachter on follow and just using again the perfect macro system the game have in order to spam heal the charachter i control

healing out of team is one more thing we been using it for since in case tou have not noticed the community there is pretty small and its not easy to find a team to grind each time you want

that may sound as an exploit but i m still sure i m not the only one i do so and at the end of the day if you report me and a GM try to find out if that is true i can easily answer any question he asks on behalf of me or my wife

i dont know how hard is to bot on ryzom but i guess it is nnot impossible

i have seen it happen

most online games suffer from boters is unfortunatelly something you have to live with

like others said dont let it spoil your fun and if you think or see activities such them best is to report to a GM where they can take action against him

i play a game to have fun and i like work myself on my characher levels

at the end of the day i feel more proud knowing that i have same levels and skills with someone else who has uses bots to achieve that

flakes · June 2007

Originally posted by breibender

I know at least one guy who is sitting in his house with 4 or 5 computers on all day botting away on all his skills.... talk about no life lol, his in game names are: <Mod edit> as far as i could discover till now... i reported everything i knew to the CSR in this game but they dont seem to care. He also had the posesion to the account of a guy called <Mod edit> till he returned to the game.. most funny part is that the guild <Mod edit>, of wich he is guildleader, says in the guildrules u should respect the CoC lol...... Im starting to get afraid that my dream of a botfree game will never come thru and all the hope i had for Ryzom to be one just vanished.... Is everyone a bot in this game?
There are people with multiple accounts in game who use one account to botheal their other.... and what shocks me the most is that its almost common knowledge and people respect these people for their master on different skills....
Well im canceling my acount and hope some1 can give me a link to a game without botters and hackers.

Good luck finding any mmorpg out there that doesn't have numerous bots and double accounts for the purpose of selling gold/items or powerlevelling.I have yet to find an mmorpg in wich this isn't a daily thing.

Small edit :i have only played P2P somaybe..just maybe F2P doesn't have this.

Keiko8256 · June 2007

I'm sorry that you are so upset with whomever this person is that you must try to call them out on a public forum. As someone earlier mentioned, it shower great immaturity on your part.

It is very possible for someone to play on more than one computer, especially if each computer is set up in such a way for easy access. With the Ryzom ingame macro system, all one really needs to do is make a macro for whatever needs to be done and press a simple button. Very simple. You shouldn't call out someone else as a botter because he or she is just good enough to use more than one computer.

I've never tried to use more than one computer, simply because my connection wouldn't be able to handle it, and I'm not sure I would be able to. I have a lot of respect though, for those capable enough to use more than one computer, as should you.

mindmeld · June 2007

i liked anarchy Online bot healing yourself was allowed as long you didnt automated that process more than what was allowed ingame

With a good machine you could play in 2 ao windows mode on the same computer with no problem and with no cheating involved.

breibender · June 2007

Sorry to respond so late, i was in London, anyway its actually very easy to bot in Ryzom. They have no securityprogram running like punkbuster for example. 3th party tools are not detected by the system itself and because of the ingame macro system its really easy to make a botprogram that only presses one button each 30seconds (only an example) Anyone with a little program skill or google skills can come up with a much better one.

And, again, im not talking about people who dualbox and press the buttons themself, they deserve praise, so stop throwing that at my feet... and for the personal issue with a certain player, imagine having tell screens of this user admitting and explaining to me how he bots and that u send those to the CSR team and see nothing happen after a month... how would u feel?

Varelse · June 2007

I would feel like quitting also. However, this doesn't represent the game and the community as I experience it in Ryzom. Luckily, most of the players in Ryzom do not feel the need to cheat or break rules. My feeling is that very few MMO's out there today are as unspoiled as Ryzom still is. In many of them, people make real life cash by ruining the game for many others. They bot, farm, scam, lie, steal, and trash others to obtain items or build a character to sell for real money. Thankfully that has not happened in SoR and hopefully never will.

Originally posted by breibender

Sorry to respond so late, i was in London, anyway its actually very easy to bot in Ryzom. They have no securityprogram running like punkbuster for example. 3th party tools are not detected by the system itself and because of the ingame macro system its really easy to make a botprogram that only presses one button each 30seconds (only an example) Anyone with a little program skill or google skills can come up with a much better one.

And, again, im not talking about people who dualbox and press the buttons themself, they deserve praise, so stop throwing that at my feet... and for the personal issue with a certain player, imagine having tell screens of this user admitting and explaining to me how he bots and that u send those to the CSR team and see nothing happen after a month... how would u feel?

Unknown · June 2007

Originally posted by breibender

I know at least one guy who is sitting in his house with 4 or 5 computers on all day botting away on all his skills....

guess you don`t know what botting is hehe if hes sitting there, and running 5 bots at the same time?lol 1digging, 1 careplanning, one killing najabs in void, 1 healing, 1 crafting shields in Pyr right? lol

Fasinus · June 2007

hmm, a whole thread about me

First off all, Breibender, why are you hiding behind some name and talking about me? its kinda lame ya know. erm also - if anyone thinks im "yubo" your even more then wrong. this is my first thread on the whole forum, i would never post here aswell if no one pointed me to this thread.

"i know atleast one guy who is "sitting" in his house with 4 or 5 computers on all day botting away all his skills, talk about no life"

erm yeah, that sounds pretty funny lol, if i was botting all day wouldn't i have alot of free time? maybe you first want to search out what botting means which alot here said already. In my whole ryzom history ive been botting for exactly 20 min when i left my computer on to cp when i went to bed, and if you want to know, i was 250 in that forage skill.

" he also had the posesion to the account of a guy called "orlando" which was my own char? its even on the char selection screen when i open it heh... so erm, make up ur mind before u start posting something?

anyway, i hope ur gone of ryzom already by following what you said,

"well im cancelling my account"

oh, and i even explained you how to bot? and you got a screenshot of it? why you dont post it here then... since there wont be anything intresting in it anyway.

M1sf1t · June 2007

Originally posted by flood950
There was (maybe still is?) a case of this in WoW a couple years back on one of the servers. He had 5 characters being controlled at the same time and use to just crush everything that moved in PvP. When word of this really started to circulate the guy didnt hide what was happening and even posted on the forums in detail how his setup functioned. At that time, it was well within the rules of the game and it turned from people questioning if it was a violation of the game, into a discussion of how technically advanced he was to be able to have a setup that worked like this with that game.

He just had a modified KVM switch that worked in reverse. That is not the same as botting. With his setup and his custom modified KVM switch it was like controlling 5 characters once with one keyboard. He was at the controls all the time and he controlled his characters. That is different then botting and letting a piece of software control your character for you.

M1sf1t · June 2007

Originally posted by breibender
Sorry to respond so late, i was in London, anyway its actually very easy to bot in Ryzom. They have no securityprogram running like punkbuster for example. 3th party tools are not detected by the system itself and because of the ingame macro system its really easy to make a botprogram that only presses one button each 30seconds (only an example) Anyone with a little program skill or google skills can come up with a much better one.And, again, im not talking about people who dualbox and press the buttons themself, they deserve praise, so stop throwing that at my feet... and for the personal issue with a certain player, imagine having tell screens of this user admitting and explaining to me how he bots and that u send those to the CSR team and see nothing happen after a month... how would u feel?

Here's a hint...Play Lineage 2 for a day. Trust me 3rd party anti-cheating software does nothing but improve the quality of cheats and bots. L2's ultra intrusive Gameguard software is pretty much ineffective against people who make a living writing and designing botting software in that game.

Of course the root cause of botting in L2 has to do with the harsh level grind and adena/gear grind nature of that game. The harsher the grind the more bots you see in a game no matter the pro-cautions taken.

Tyilin · July 2007

Originally posted by breibender

Sorry to respond so late, i was in London, anyway its actually very easy to bot in Ryzom. They have no securityprogram running like punkbuster for example. 3th party tools are not detected by the system itself and because of the ingame macro system its really easy to make a botprogram that only presses one button each 30seconds (only an example) Anyone with a little program skill or google skills can come up with a much better one.

And, again, im not talking about people who dualbox and press the buttons themself, they deserve praise, so stop throwing that at my feet... and for the personal issue with a certain player, imagine having tell screens of this user admitting and explaining to me how he bots and that u send those to the CSR team and see nothing happen after a month... how would u feel?

There's nothing ingame which would allow you to automaticly heal someone who's health had gotten low.

From my (limited, at best) knowledge, its not possible to have a third party peice of software detect what state of health a player is at, becuase it would have to rely on one of a couple of things one of them being data being on the client (which its not its kept on the server). another would be the ability to automatically detect health withourt targeting. which AFAIK is also, not possible.

If someone is botting, go kill them, then when their timer runs out and they spawn at a portal, find them. then get a GM to port to them, if that happens theres NO WAY a GM wouldnt act. (from personal experience - it's actually quite fun )

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