To kill WoW you need a therapy, because it's an addiction.
Besides, when people will realise games are supposed to be fun, and not feel like work, any fun game could kill WoW.
So 8 million people don't know what fun is?
Only you do?
Please tell us all what the definition of fun is.
I think dapsy is right, to a degree...
WoW started off being fun, you had this huge, open world, loads of different landscapes, heaps of quests, everything was new and exciting...
But then, somewhere in the mid 40s-50s, who did not feel like at the start of his shift, when he logged on, scanned his quest log about what to do in the next 4 hours?
I know I felt like that...
"*Sigh* Ok, let's see. 15 Earthworms, to the East, ok. 10 Sand Crabs, to the West... it's orange, so I better go to the east first, let's see what else is in the east... 10 Poison Bags, ok, oh and 12 ancient plates, ok that's good enough. Here we go. An Earthworm, click click, killed. Where's the next one? Ah here. Click Click killed, and here one plate."
*Half an Hour later*
"Goddammit, get off me, stupid earthworm...aah hell, click click killed. Where's that fu**ing last ancient plate?! FU**IN EARTHWORMS!"...
But, on the other hand, for the quick fun, MMORPGs aren't the genre to go. I play MMORPGs to have something to do for the next 8 weeks, not to have a distraction for a day or two.
we need more wow killers, wow is a life stealing game and only is fun for the super hardcore people who get to make it to lvl 70 - which i am not. WAR however is fun if you play it 10 mins per week or 10 hours per day since a low lvl 'noob' has the chance of killing one of the better players in the game. in wow and other typical mmorpgs you have to powergrind to a top level before you make any type of dent.
plastictroll speaks the truth. Twinks will not be a problem anymore. No more uber gear with ridicluous stats, no more staying at the lower pvp brackets with uber gear. Players HAVE to pvp in order to get the most of the level experience. In fact, WAR will spawn npc allies to aid unbalanced fights, where a group of better geared players facing a PUG. And gear is rated by a point system.
I'm looking for the : "OMFG not another compare to WoW-topic" - option .... unable to find it ...
What else is there to compare it to? Like it or not, WoW is the MMO. At this point no game is going to be able to kill WoW except for WoW itself, which I don't see happening any time soon. WoW's subscription base has gone nowhere but up since launch. Even if half of WoW's population left, it would still be in competition with any new MMOs coming out.
I'm looking for the : "OMFG not another compare to WoW-topic" - option .... unable to find it ...
What else is there to compare it to? Like it or not, WoW is the MMO. At this point no game is going to be able to kill WoW except for WoW itself, which I don't see happening any time soon. WoW's subscription base has gone nowhere but up since launch. Even if half of WoW's population left, it would still be in competition with any new MMOs coming out.
Actually it probably went down more than up and doubt anyone will play the game after they left. Also pvp is a major thing in mmo's now which I think a lot of people look foward to a game more than the pve which is what WAR is all about. Maybe it wont be as large as WoW but it will sure be in competition with it,
I'm looking for the : "OMFG not another compare to WoW-topic" - option .... unable to find it ...
What else is there to compare it to? Like it or not, WoW is the MMO. At this point no game is going to be able to kill WoW except for WoW itself, which I don't see happening any time soon. WoW's subscription base has gone nowhere but up since launch. Even if half of WoW's population left, it would still be in competition with any new MMOs coming out.
Actually it probably went down more than up and doubt anyone will play the game after they left. Also pvp is a major thing in mmo's now which I think a lot of people look foward to a game more than the pve which is what WAR is all about. Maybe it wont be as large as WoW but it will sure be in competition with it,
WoW has, what, 6 million subscribers? 7 million? I can't remember. But you don't get that amount of subscribers by going down. And The Burning Crusade sold 2.4 million copies in 24 hours. Sure, WAR will be in competition with WoW. But it's not going to kill WoW, and it's certainly not going to knock WoW off it's #1 spot.
What will happen is that it will not immediately knockdown WoW. But it will take some time for the playerbase to realize WAR is better and WoW players getting lesser. The players who stayed on for WoW will find it VERY HARD to find groups to do raiding. So eventually WAR will kill WoW using its own mechanics, so that will take some time for the playerbase in WoW to depopulate. But it will be eventually just like what Paul Barnett said on how EA-Mythic intends to have "10 glorious subscription years of WAR, dominating the market, pushing back the boundaries", in their podcast.
WOW is a good game that had the potential to be a great game. I think it has gone backwards in alot of ways, and the reason it is so popular at present, with emphasis on present, is that it is one of the few good games of its genre out there at this time. I think there are several more innovative, humorous, and technologically advanced games coming up in the next year that will truly test WOW. I know many formally dedicated players have left . I think a vast number of people are waiting for something new and will drop WOW like a hot rock if Warhammer, Age of Conan, etc., turn out to be as good as the developers are making them sound. I would like to see a big ole WOW nerf by its customers.
I don't think WAR has a shot of unseating WoW from the number one spot but I think it has a damn good chance of grabbing and cementing the number two spot for a very long time and bleeding off WoW subscribers in the process. WAR's emphasis on RvR and PvP, public quests & capitol city assaults and its de-emphasis on mindless grinding will attract a ton of mmo gamers looking for something new and exciting. Let's also not forget the immense popularity and delightfully politically incorrect nature of the Warhammer universe.
The one aspect of WAR that could seriously irritate Blizzard and hurt its WoW subscriber base is that it offers PvP with a purpose via Mythic's implementation of its RvR system. WoW's PvP is fun but pretty mindless and utterly pointless after awhile. There is a good chance an awful lot of calloused WoW'ers who enjoy PvP could jump ship to WAR.
I also think that it is entirely conceivable that WAR could achieve one million subscribers or more within a year of its release.
Why?
A whopping 200,000 people signed up for the WAR beta... all within the span of 10 days! If 200,000 people are dying to play WAR almost a year from its release you can bet this game will sell like mad when it hits the shelves. Obviously most of those eager would-be beta testers for WAR have bought into the hype because there is an awful lot of it out there. However most of that hype has been backed by tons of positive previews and writeups by the press, not to mention a plethora of fan made videos and an excellent dialogue between Mythic and the WAR community. Sure, there's always the chance that WAR might be riddled with problems upon its release but the fact that the alpha demos ran so well bodes well for the final release. Add to the mix Mythic's reputation from DAOC and it's not unreasonable to speculate about a million plus subscribers.
Last but not least WAR now enjoys access to EA's massive warchest and advertising and distribution systems. This means a helluva lot more exposure to the gaming masses via aggressive marketing than if Mythic were still an independent company relying purely on the dollars provided by its private investors.
To be realy realy honest, I'm more curious as to what new WoW expansion will bring as an answer to upcoming games than how much WAR or AoC will hurt WOW.
Its way to early to say how WAR will effect WoW subs when its launched.
To hit WoW hard WAR would have to: Keep its promise of compelling RvR and create PvE content that is as compelling as its RvR. If they pull off one but fail withthe other then I seriuosly doubt it will be anywhere near as successful as WoW ;even if it does take a few of the WoW players who only live for PvP (I mean seriously how many of those are there?). Even if Mythic make a great PvP/PvE experience people have still invested years of time in their WoW characters and its hard to give up on that, if Blizzard produce an outstanding expansion then people maybe loathe to jump ship. Of course Blizzard could possibly do something radical to their PvP system in a response to the competition and end up screwing their own game in someway but I doubt it.
Anyway WAR will do well but it is unlikely Blizzard will lose many subs to it, personally ill play both.
Even if Mythic make a great PvP/PvE experience people have still invested years of time in their WoW characters and its hard to give up on that, if Blizzard produce an outstanding expansion then people maybe loathe to jump ship. Of course Blizzard could possibly do something radical to their PvP system in a response to the competition and end up screwing their own game in someway but I doubt it.
This is not true. People invested far more time into characters from EQ and yet those players left for other games. Many of WoW players came from other games, only avreage it took 1/3 of every major games' population. These are games people played for years. So people do jump ship to other games.
As for PvP in WoW, it is sub-par to other games anyway, so there is no need to change that to compete.
Will WAR be the WoW killed? I dount it. But that has nothing to do with WAR or WoW. It has to do with WoW being the "it" game at the moment. Its population will decline over the years. WAR will certainly take a lot of players, but nothing is going to be the WoW killer. What will kill WoW is age and the game itself.
I anticipate WAR peaking at around 500,000 subscribers. 50-75% of those will come from current games. WoW will loose the largest amount of people because it is the largest game. The other players will be those new the mmo's and are either people just getting into them and WAR is the newest game, and Warhammer fans.
I don't think WAR has a shot of unseating WoW from the number one spot but I think it has a damn good chance of grabbing and cementing the number two spot for a very long time and bleeding off WoW subscribers in the process. WAR's emphasis on RvR and PvP, public quests & capitol city assaults and its de-emphasis on mindless grinding will attract a ton of mmo gamers looking for something new and exciting. Let's also not forget the immense popularity and delightfully politically incorrect nature of the Warhammer universe.
The one aspect of WAR that could seriously irritate Blizzard and hurt its WoW subscriber base is that it offers PvP with a purpose via Mythic's implementation of its RvR system. WoW's PvP is fun but pretty mindless and utterly pointless after awhile. There is a good chance an awful lot of calloused WoW'ers who enjoy PvP could jump ship to WAR.
I also think that it is entirely conceivable that WAR could achieve one million subscribers or more within a year of its release.
Why?
A whopping 200,000 people signed up for the WAR beta... all within the span of 10 days! If 200,000 people are dying to play WAR almost a year from its release you can bet this game will sell like mad when it hits the shelves. Obviously most of those eager would-be beta testers for WAR have bought into the hype because there is an awful lot of it out there. However most of that hype has been backed by tons of positive previews and writeups by the press, not to mention a plethora of fan made videos and an excellent dialogue between Mythic and the WAR community. Sure, there's always the chance that WAR might be riddled with problems upon its release but the fact that the alpha demos ran so well bodes well for the final release. Add to the mix Mythic's reputation from DAOC and it's not unreasonable to speculate about a million plus subscribers.
Last but not least WAR now enjoys access to EA's massive warchest and advertising and distribution systems. This means a helluva lot more exposure to the gaming masses via aggressive marketing than if Mythic were still an independent company relying purely on the dollars provided by its private investors.
You hit it right on the button but you left the main factor out.Warhammer has its biggest following from TT not mythic or EA,its GW(Games Workshop who rule)and have a massive 25year old fanbase.Warhammer come from the UK just like Paul Barnett,as a matter of fact he comes from the GW stable and is with Myhic to make sure they get it right.
Warhammer has its biggest following in Europe just like blizzards is asia.People forget its GW who own Warhammer and Mythic are the dev team who have been given the IP to bring it to live in MMORPG.
Combine GW,Mythic and EA and you have a jugganuat of a team.WOW is a PVE game and WAR is a RVR-PVP-PVE game in that order.People who like the endless grind or the 40 man raids will stay with WOW.
End-game WAR =20%pve-80rvr ...this alone will keep a lot of the wow raiding crew away.
WAR has well ... Warhammer. Such a huge, developed franchise with great roleplaying settings, were "good is good" and "bad is truely evil". I expect that the online game will be positively tame compared to the RPG, but someone who knows how to make online games working with someone who know how to refresh their market - they would have to be cheap or stupidly unlucky to not do really well.
That said, I expect that many many people will take the option I intend to - I won't stop playing WoW, I'll just play both: I expect them to be different, even if WoW did draw heavily from the artwork and style of the Warhammer world.
Come on, they get to have expansions with Skaven armies, High Elves, Brettonians, the various Chaos forces and who can forget .. Vamipre Counts? What's not to like? And let's not forget Warhammer has a long and glorious history of completely unbalanced forces, which was of course balanced by the long forgotten point that you could play any force you liked; same in WoW, yes you too can be a BE pally etc if you think it's better!
Promise and delivery are obviously very different (*sigh, DDO*) but if anyone can pick up several million players this year and keep them then I'd pick that someone to be WAR. That said, WoW is so successful I simply do not accept that they are not plotting carefully on their gnomish whiteboards towards some cunning plans to keep WoW at #1 for years more yet. And honestly I hope they do - the more money Blizzard make over the long term off that game, the more money people will be prepared to invest in the industry.
WoW has what, 8.5 million players out of how many 100s of million online? It's not as if there is not room for only one out there! I want the big, shiny games to be shiny. And yes, for something more intircate well there is always EVE, it's such a great space soap opera (what was the latest episode, BoB v Devs?).
how is this a wow killer if it looks almost identical to wow? its wow with more pvp. if you dont believe me watch any vidoe with warhammer gamplay. who knows maybe its better only time will tell.
Ive played Wow ever since MC was the only raiding dungeon. It was an amazing game on so many aspects. My friends pulled me away from FPS at the time to play it (I was in a Cal DOD clan at the time.) by simply showing me the opening movie.I immediatly went and bought it. Ive had so much fun with the game. I raided every dungeon except AQ40. i had tons of 60s. but it started getting old.
Expansion comes out and i made a 70 UD rogue. was awesome but still something was missing.They come out with the first major content patch.Again amazing...changed so much with the rogue class.After awhile though it again got old. with the constant rep grinding and farming to do karazhan. Id go and get new gear from kara after wiping constantly and learning the fights. it felt like an accomplishment...until i saw the kid who did 10 games of arena walk away with gear as good as mine.
I finally quit and sold my account 2 days ago. it was boring for me. there jsut wasnt enough fun anymore. Yes i tried arena but again....jsut wasnt much fun there. I quit because of blizz....tired of their shoddy Customer service.My game glitched out one day and i lost 361 blacksmithing. unable to use my fireguard i submitted tickets for days only to be told they were unable to give back BS and that i would have to relevel it.
What im trying to get at is this....like everyone has been saying it will be WOW killing WOW. Blizzard will either "drop the ball" or people will jsut grow old of it like EQ,DAOC and all the other MMOS. its going to happen.Fanboi or not its going to happen.I personaly moved on and now im waiting for WAR and AoC. both amazing looking MMOS that look so much fun.thats all we are looking for is fun after all. So who cares if WAR will kill WOW....just have fun. Its your $15, do what you want to do with it.
I said compete... more in terms of visibility, marketing... You know, the PR stuff. Look at the main WAR guy... I mean... look at the main WAR guy. He looks like a good seller.
Unless they mess it up (have a "Vision" or "NGE" or something), I could see this game taking lots of PVP folks from WOW. I have said for years that WOW is a passable MMORPG while better things are on the horizon. I hope WAR is it.
Oh please. The poll's so loaded I don't know why it hasn't drowned in the forum sea. I know, it's due to me bumping it
But, you make it appear like an unbiased poll by saying "fame" and "hype" and so on and all of a sudden it's just about WoW getting killed. Which is the original draw to this thread, by its title, of course! All of us are drawn like moths to light by these kind of posts! It's just totally curious!
So let's be biased and say YEA IT'S GUNNA KILL YER WOW MAN LOLZ HF WITH YOUR DYIN GAME
I think the only thing that draws people to wow is the simplicity of the PVP and PVE system, The mechanics for it are very simple, game types are easy to learn - Warsong, Arathi-basin, Alterac Valley and the rest of them. I for one really do enjoy the PVP and PVE mechanics of the game.. But alas.. WAR just looks like my new provider in terms of PVP, LORE and design. These are the simple mechanics i look for in a game to ENJOY it. *Note - GW are possibly the greatest lore creators of all time.
The PVP mechanics of WAR look very appealing upon first glance and i think that will be the decider on who crosses over from WOW, I know there will be a HORDE people crossing over to try the WAR PVP system, i hope it really does live up to it's expectations.
i for one cant wait WAR's PVP system is something that rates very highly for me, if it's the DEATH of wow so be it, but WOW is a very linear game and as we all know people tend to like repetitive PVE encounters and linear story lines .
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Only you do?
Please tell us all what the definition of fun is.
I think dapsy is right, to a degree...
WoW started off being fun, you had this huge, open world, loads of different landscapes, heaps of quests, everything was new and exciting...
But then, somewhere in the mid 40s-50s, who did not feel like at the start of his shift, when he logged on, scanned his quest log about what to do in the next 4 hours?
I know I felt like that...
"*Sigh* Ok, let's see. 15 Earthworms, to the East, ok. 10 Sand Crabs, to the West... it's orange, so I better go to the east first, let's see what else is in the east... 10 Poison Bags, ok, oh and 12 ancient plates, ok that's good enough. Here we go. An Earthworm, click click, killed. Where's the next one? Ah here. Click Click killed, and here one plate."
*Half an Hour later*
"Goddammit, get off me, stupid earthworm...aah hell, click click killed. Where's that fu**ing last ancient plate?! FU**IN EARTHWORMS!"...
But, on the other hand, for the quick fun, MMORPGs aren't the genre to go. I play MMORPGs to have something to do for the next 8 weeks, not to have a distraction for a day or two.
Only you do?
Please tell us all what the definition of fun is.
Raven Sorry, I should have underlined it but ''addiction'' was a key word there.
plastictroll speaks the truth. Twinks will not be a problem anymore. No more uber gear with ridicluous stats, no more staying at the lower pvp brackets with uber gear. Players HAVE to pvp in order to get the most of the level experience. In fact, WAR will spawn npc allies to aid unbalanced fights, where a group of better geared players facing a PUG. And gear is rated by a point system.
cheers
I doubt this game will touch anything, maybe with the exception of SWG
Raven
Warhammer just got 200,000 to sign up for beta
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Actually it probably went down more than up and doubt anyone will play the game after they left. Also pvp is a major thing in mmo's now which I think a lot of people look foward to a game more than the pve which is what WAR is all about. Maybe it wont be as large as WoW but it will sure be in competition with it,
Actually it probably went down more than up and doubt anyone will play the game after they left. Also pvp is a major thing in mmo's now which I think a lot of people look foward to a game more than the pve which is what WAR is all about. Maybe it wont be as large as WoW but it will sure be in competition with it,
WoW has, what, 6 million subscribers? 7 million? I can't remember. But you don't get that amount of subscribers by going down. And The Burning Crusade sold 2.4 million copies in 24 hours. Sure, WAR will be in competition with WoW. But it's not going to kill WoW, and it's certainly not going to knock WoW off it's #1 spot.
The one aspect of WAR that could seriously irritate Blizzard and hurt its WoW subscriber base is that it offers PvP with a purpose via Mythic's implementation of its RvR system. WoW's PvP is fun but pretty mindless and utterly pointless after awhile. There is a good chance an awful lot of calloused WoW'ers who enjoy PvP could jump ship to WAR.
I also think that it is entirely conceivable that WAR could achieve one million subscribers or more within a year of its release.
Why?
A whopping 200,000 people signed up for the WAR beta... all within the span of 10 days! If 200,000 people are dying to play WAR almost a year from its release you can bet this game will sell like mad when it hits the shelves. Obviously most of those eager would-be beta testers for WAR have bought into the hype because there is an awful lot of it out there. However most of that hype has been backed by tons of positive previews and writeups by the press, not to mention a plethora of fan made videos and an excellent dialogue between Mythic and the WAR community. Sure, there's always the chance that WAR might be riddled with problems upon its release but the fact that the alpha demos ran so well bodes well for the final release. Add to the mix Mythic's reputation from DAOC and it's not unreasonable to speculate about a million plus subscribers.
Last but not least WAR now enjoys access to EA's massive warchest and advertising and distribution systems. This means a helluva lot more exposure to the gaming masses via aggressive marketing than if Mythic were still an independent company relying purely on the dollars provided by its private investors.
Its way to early to say how WAR will effect WoW subs when its launched.
To hit WoW hard WAR would have to: Keep its promise of compelling RvR and create PvE content that is as compelling as its RvR. If they pull off one but fail withthe other then I seriuosly doubt it will be anywhere near as successful as WoW ;even if it does take a few of the WoW players who only live for PvP (I mean seriously how many of those are there?). Even if Mythic make a great PvP/PvE experience people have still invested years of time in their WoW characters and its hard to give up on that, if Blizzard produce an outstanding expansion then people maybe loathe to jump ship. Of course Blizzard could possibly do something radical to their PvP system in a response to the competition and end up screwing their own game in someway but I doubt it.
Anyway WAR will do well but it is unlikely Blizzard will lose many subs to it, personally ill play both.
As for PvP in WoW, it is sub-par to other games anyway, so there is no need to change that to compete.
Will WAR be the WoW killed? I dount it. But that has nothing to do with WAR or WoW. It has to do with WoW being the "it" game at the moment. Its population will decline over the years. WAR will certainly take a lot of players, but nothing is going to be the WoW killer. What will kill WoW is age and the game itself.
I anticipate WAR peaking at around 500,000 subscribers. 50-75% of those will come from current games. WoW will loose the largest amount of people because it is the largest game. The other players will be those new the mmo's and are either people just getting into them and WAR is the newest game, and Warhammer fans.
Warhammer has its biggest following in Europe just like blizzards is asia.People forget its GW who own Warhammer and Mythic are the dev team who have been given the IP to bring it to live in MMORPG.
Combine GW,Mythic and EA and you have a jugganuat of a team.WOW is a PVE game and WAR is a RVR-PVP-PVE game in that order.People who like the endless grind or the 40 man raids will stay with WOW.
End-game WAR =20%pve-80rvr ...this alone will keep a lot of the wow raiding crew away.
WAR IS COMING
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That said, I expect that many many people will take the option I intend to - I won't stop playing WoW, I'll just play both: I expect them to be different, even if WoW did draw heavily from the artwork and style of the Warhammer world.
Come on, they get to have expansions with Skaven armies, High Elves, Brettonians, the various Chaos forces and who can forget .. Vamipre Counts? What's not to like? And let's not forget Warhammer has a long and glorious history of completely unbalanced forces, which was of course balanced by the long forgotten point that you could play any force you liked; same in WoW, yes you too can be a BE pally etc if you think it's better!
Promise and delivery are obviously very different (*sigh, DDO*) but if anyone can pick up several million players this year and keep them then I'd pick that someone to be WAR. That said, WoW is so successful I simply do not accept that they are not plotting carefully on their gnomish whiteboards towards some cunning plans to keep WoW at #1 for years more yet. And honestly I hope they do - the more money Blizzard make over the long term off that game, the more money people will be prepared to invest in the industry.
WoW has what, 8.5 million players out of how many 100s of million online? It's not as if there is not room for only one out there! I want the big, shiny games to be shiny. And yes, for something more intircate well there is always EVE, it's such a great space soap opera (what was the latest episode, BoB v Devs?).
"We can ill afford another Klendathu"
"...or another Vanguard"
I'll say that: EA can certainly compete with Blizzard.
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how is this a wow killer if it looks almost identical to wow? its wow with more pvp. if you dont believe me watch any vidoe with warhammer gamplay. who knows maybe its better only time will tell.
Expansion comes out and i made a 70 UD rogue. was awesome but still something was missing.They come out with the first major content patch.Again amazing...changed so much with the rogue class.After awhile though it again got old. with the constant rep grinding and farming to do karazhan. Id go and get new gear from kara after wiping constantly and learning the fights. it felt like an accomplishment...until i saw the kid who did 10 games of arena walk away with gear as good as mine.
I finally quit and sold my account 2 days ago. it was boring for me. there jsut wasnt enough fun anymore. Yes i tried arena but again....jsut wasnt much fun there. I quit because of blizz....tired of their shoddy Customer service.My game glitched out one day and i lost 361 blacksmithing. unable to use my fireguard i submitted tickets for days only to be told they were unable to give back BS and that i would have to relevel it.
What im trying to get at is this....like everyone has been saying it will be WOW killing WOW. Blizzard will either "drop the ball" or people will jsut grow old of it like EQ,DAOC and all the other MMOS. its going to happen.Fanboi or not its going to happen.I personaly moved on and now im waiting for WAR and AoC. both amazing looking MMOS that look so much fun.thats all we are looking for is fun after all. So who cares if WAR will kill WOW....just have fun. Its your $15, do what you want to do with it.
The sim city game was just killed off by EA.
Boycott EA Games. RIP Sim City.
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But, you make it appear like an unbiased poll by saying "fame" and "hype" and so on and all of a sudden it's just about WoW getting killed. Which is the original draw to this thread, by its title, of course! All of us are drawn like moths to light by these kind of posts! It's just totally curious!
So let's be biased and say YEA IT'S GUNNA KILL YER WOW MAN LOLZ HF WITH YOUR DYIN GAME
There. I hope that helps.
The PVP mechanics of WAR look very appealing upon first glance and i think that will be the decider on who crosses over from WOW, I know there will be a HORDE people crossing over to try the WAR PVP system, i hope it really does live up to it's expectations.
i for one cant wait WAR's PVP system is something that rates very highly for me, if it's the DEATH of wow so be it, but WOW is a very linear game and as we all know people tend to like repetitive PVE encounters and linear story lines .
Bring forth the greenskins and let me slay and burn humans!