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Why do people keep posting things like downfall of WoW, WoW is dying etc

Coolguy20Coolguy20 Member Posts: 250
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If WoW is dying at its current population it must SUCK to be games like everquest 2 and the rest on the top list of mmos on this site. Even if WoW loses half its population base its still will be the most popular and most finacial rewarding mmorpg EVER.
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  • FugnudzFugnudz Member Posts: 480

    Because, for starting out new toons, it's "deadsville".  Getting a group in the under-60 instances is very difficult right now.

    Conclusions:  Lots of folks have levelled past 60, and are running out of things to do.  Many folks have moved over to LOTRO or are sitting it out for WAR or AOC. 

    This game is on its downward trend (I think).  But they can always spike their numbers with new expansions.  Either way, WOW should be around for another ten years, is my estimate.

  • GreenChaosGreenChaos Member Posts: 2,268


    I’m no WoW, but you’re right its not going anywhere. Even if 20 games came out, all with superior game play and graphics, it would still be the most popular once you factor in marketing, name recognition and most important – popularity. 



    Most people who decide to play their first MMO will say, “Well it is a social thing so where are the most players” and they will say, “Well it is the most popular, so it must be the best”.



    Being able to say they are the most popular MMO, give blizzard the greatest marking advantage.  It’s like trying to make an OS to compete with Microsoft or and auction site to compete with ebay.  People go where the people are. 
  • Coolguy20Coolguy20 Member Posts: 250
    Originally posted by Fugnudz


    Because, for starting out new toons, it's "deadsville".  Getting a group in the under-60 instances is very difficult right now.
    Conclusions:  Lots of folks have levelled past 60, and are running out of things to do.  Many folks have moved over to LOTRO or are sitting it out for WAR or AOC. 
    This game is on its downward trend (I think).  But they can always spike their numbers with new expansions.  Either way, WOW should be around for another ten years, is my estimate.
    WoW isnt the young pup it use to be its about 3 yrs old now, its not getting a booming playerbase anymore people are content with their high level characters, the bloodelf and draenei craze are over now no ones starting over, i mean can you name a current MMO besides LOTRO "Its new" that has a booming low/noobie playerbase?
  • SWGLoverSWGLover Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 539

    I wonder the same thing myself. I've left games simply due to their weak populations ( DAoC, VG, etc. ) but I can always find a group quickly in WoW.

    It'll be around for a long time.....

  • XennithXennith Member Posts: 1,244
    all games eventually wither and die, that will happen to WoW as well. probably not for a good number of years however.



    people are always posting "X game is dead!" threads because they cant understand that just because they dont like it, other people still can. personally ive "done" WoW, it was fun for a while but i understand that a lot of people still enjoy it, more power to them.



    also people like to hype their favourite game by putting others down, see WAR vs AoC threads for this, its sickening. so to take that logic on a step, if you put the most popular and recognisable game down, it makes your <current favourite game> even MORE betterer.
  • JaggaSpikesJaggaSpikes Member UncommonPosts: 430
    People want WoW dead because It's holding back the whole genre. It's such a great game that could be so much better. But all publishers see is: subscriptions. And they all want piece of it. So they paste and copy.



    Instead of making new things to do.
  • SramotaSramota Member Posts: 756

    Originally posted by spinner_vis
    People want WoW dead because It's holding back the whole genre. It's such a great game that could be so much better. But all publishers see is: subscriptions. And they all want piece of it. So they paste and copy.Instead of making new things to do.

    I don't think said publishers would have anything to show either way so it's not a bad thing to be honest. Gives room for the true heroes out there to really show

    Richard Garriott being my current hero :D

    Played so far: 9Dragons, AO, AC, AC2, CoX, DAoC, DF, DnL, DR, DDO, Ent, EvE, EQ, EQ2, FoMK, FFO, Fury, GW, HG:L, HZ, L1, L2, M59, MU, NC1, NC2, PS, PT, R:O, RF:O, RYL, Ryzom, SL, SB, SW:G, TR, TCoS, MX:O, UO, VG, WAR, WoW...
    It all sucked.

  • Azeroth04Azeroth04 Member Posts: 215
    Originally posted by Coolguy20

    If WoW is dying at its current population it must SUCK to be games like everquest 2 and the rest on the top list of mmos on this site. Even if WoW loses half its population base its still will be the most popular and most finacial rewarding mmorpg EVER.
    "There's always a bigger fish" as Qui-Gon Jinn would say. Many people quit because of a certain reason, bash WoW for this reason, and then proceed to pray for its downfall. People are just tired of the game, so they find cracks in the gameplay and nail a wedge in it. Expansions will never amount to the excitement and content of the original game. Because WoW seems to be losing its excitement, people are prophesying its end.
  • flood950flood950 Member Posts: 447
    I actually thought people only did that to get a rise out of the existing players. 
  • Azeroth04Azeroth04 Member Posts: 215
    Originally posted by spinner_vis

    People want WoW dead because It's holding back the whole genre. It's such a great game that could be so much better. But all publishers see is: subscriptions. And they all want piece of it. So they paste and copy.



    Instead of making new things to do.
    I agree as well. Many of the developers see dollar signs in WoW's genre, so they just want at least a tiny bit of the profits. New developers are also emerging because of this reason. New developers = less experience, therefore meaning crappy MMOs. Current developers stick to the fantasy, "WoWish" genre = nothing new, therefore we're stuck in the middle.
  • HyomotoHyomoto Member Posts: 24

    I don't get why everyone bashes WoW though. I mean sure you don't like it, it's understandable, but when I wanted to find some info on it before I started playing, all I found was bashing and everyone predicting the things downfall. It's great if you don't like it, but don't go around giving the game and it's players crap. I didn't like Anarchy Online all that much, you don't see me going over to their forums saying how it should end, and how since it's free and old it's a welfare game.

    I guess what I'm so confused about isn't why they dislike it, because they make that obvious, but rather why do they feel so compelled to bash the game constantly?

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  • JosherJosher Member Posts: 2,818
    Attention whores=)  Basically they're stupid.  WOW will die off eventually like every MMORPG.  Just not for a while.  You have to wonder what a developer does to a person to make them hate them so much that they want the game to fail. 
  • TettersTetters Member Posts: 221
    Originally posted by flood950

    I actually thought people only did that to get a rise out of the existing players. 
    I think you might have hit the nail on the head .....
  • flood950flood950 Member Posts: 447
    Originally posted by Hyomoto


    I don't get why everyone bashes WoW though. I mean sure you don't like it, it's understandable, but when I wanted to find some info on it before I started playing, all I found was bashing and everyone predicting the things downfall. It's great if you don't like it, but don't go around giving the game and it's players crap. I didn't like Anarchy Online all that much, you don't see me going over to their forums saying how it should end, and how since it's free and old it's a welfare game.
    I guess what I'm so confused about isn't why they dislike it, because they make that obvious, but rather why do they feel so compelled to bash the game constantly?
    Its the king of the hill still, has many players, is featured in TV shows, on the news, you hear about it constantly...



    put all of that together and you get an animosity from the rest of the community.



    Happens in all communities, sports, TV, music.  Whatever has the largest population share also draws the most ire.


  • Azeroth04Azeroth04 Member Posts: 215
    Originally posted by flood950

    Originally posted by Hyomoto


    I don't get why everyone bashes WoW though. I mean sure you don't like it, it's understandable, but when I wanted to find some info on it before I started playing, all I found was bashing and everyone predicting the things downfall. It's great if you don't like it, but don't go around giving the game and it's players crap. I didn't like Anarchy Online all that much, you don't see me going over to their forums saying how it should end, and how since it's free and old it's a welfare game.
    I guess what I'm so confused about isn't why they dislike it, because they make that obvious, but rather why do they feel so compelled to bash the game constantly?
    Its the king of the hill still, has many players, is featured in TV shows, on the news, you hear about it constantly...



    put all of that together and you get an animosity from the rest of the community.



    Happens in all communities, sports, TV, music.  Whatever has the largest population share also draws the most ire.



    Good point. This is why I hate American Idol.
  • Coolguy20Coolguy20 Member Posts: 250
    WoW didnt hold back the genre every one is wrong on this



    EQ changed its ways way before WoW was released, remember planes of power? it was the inital downfall of the game.



    UO changed HEAVILY to easymode way before WoW was even announced.



    EQ2 changed to be more WoW like because bassically EQ2 just sucked big time, buggy and non playable at the start



    SWG was a failure, no matter how much people love pre CU SWG, SWG was a failure due to how SOE couldnt show the attention the game needed, didnt know how to, they saw WoWs success and decided to go that route because SOE wasnt creative.



    So its not WoWs fault games because easy or change and its definatly not holding back the genre it introduced ALOT of people to the genre, dont get me wrong i quit WoW multiple times, i to get burned out of WoW, iam not a WoW fanboy or basher matter fact today iam going to resub to WoW does it make me a fanboy? No but i think its silly seeing multiple post today on the first page of mmorpg.com general forums of how WoWs dead, dying, or declining. We all know WoW will never reach another million subs, it may never reach another 100k subs but its still one of the most popular.
  • CannedweaselCannedweasel Member Posts: 36
    Originally posted by spinner_vis

    People want WoW dead because It's holding back the whole genre. It's such a great game that could be so much better. But all publishers see is: subscriptions. And they all want piece of it. So they paste and copy.



    Instead of making new things to do.
    I would agree that since WoW came out, the MMO genre has mainly been in a holding pattern, and while I'd say WoW is the reason for that, I wouldn't say it's to blame.  If these developers keep coming out with similar games, it shows such a lack of originality on their part that were there no World of Warcraft, they would just be churning out copies of whatever the top dog would be.  World of Warcraft is and was popular because of the size and span of the game, and the convenient access even casual players could use to enjoy it, and a lot of publishers would rather boast that their game is comparable in these features, as opposed to improving upon them. 



    If you hate WoW, great. I hope that people who find it to be unoriginal and boring voice their opinions in large enough quantities to convince publishers to extend the parameters of MMORPGs, instead of using the current formula with different names and skins and stamping their name on it.  If you like WoW, great. I hope that game companies and Blizzard in particular learn from their biggest successes with it, and incorporate it in newer and better ways in the next generation of MMOs.
  • Azeroth04Azeroth04 Member Posts: 215
    Originally posted by Coolguy20

    WoW didnt hold back the genre every one is wrong on this



    EQ changed its ways way before WoW was released, remember planes of power? it was the inital downfall of the game.



    UO changed HEAVILY to easymode way before WoW was even announced.



    EQ2 changed to be more WoW like because bassically EQ2 just sucked big time, buggy and non playable at the start



    SWG was a failure, no matter how much people love pre CU SWG, SWG was a failure due to how SOE couldnt show the attention the game needed, didnt know how to, they saw WoWs success and decided to go that route because SOE wasnt creative.



    So its not WoWs fault games because easy or change and its definatly not holding back the genre it introduced ALOT of people to the genre, dont get me wrong i quit WoW multiple times, i to get burned out of WoW, iam not a WoW fanboy or basher matter fact today iam going to resub to WoW does it make me a fanboy? No but i think its silly seeing multiple post today on the first page of mmorpg.com general forums of how WoWs dead, dying, or declining. We all know WoW will never reach another million subs, it may never reach another 100k subs but its still one of the most popular.
    When talking about "the genre" we don't mean fantasy MMOs but MMOs in general. The majority of developers want to make a fantasy MMO because that's what WoW is doing. This is how WoW is holding the genre back, by not allowing other genres to emerge.
  • Coolguy20Coolguy20 Member Posts: 250
    Fantasy is just a popular genre period and its easy to make rather then a sci fi mmo.
  • ShadyWolfShadyWolf Member Posts: 2
    Originally posted by Azeroth04

    Originally posted by Coolguy20

    WoW didnt hold back the genre every one is wrong on this



    EQ changed its ways way before WoW was released, remember planes of power? it was the inital downfall of the game.



    UO changed HEAVILY to easymode way before WoW was even announced.



    EQ2 changed to be more WoW like because bassically EQ2 just sucked big time, buggy and non playable at the start



    SWG was a failure, no matter how much people love pre CU SWG, SWG was a failure due to how SOE couldnt show the attention the game needed, didnt know how to, they saw WoWs success and decided to go that route because SOE wasnt creative.



    So its not WoWs fault games because easy or change and its definatly not holding back the genre it introduced ALOT of people to the genre, dont get me wrong i quit WoW multiple times, i to get burned out of WoW, iam not a WoW fanboy or basher matter fact today iam going to resub to WoW does it make me a fanboy? No but i think its silly seeing multiple post today on the first page of mmorpg.com general forums of how WoWs dead, dying, or declining. We all know WoW will never reach another million subs, it may never reach another 100k subs but its still one of the most popular.
    When talking about "the genre" we don't mean fantasy MMOs but MMOs in general. The majority of developers want to make a fantasy MMO because that's what WoW is doing. This is how WoW is holding the genre back, by not allowing other genres to emerge.

    That's not entirely true. Publishers make Fantasy based MMO's because that's what sells. The trend started with EQ if you want to blame anyone for "holding back the genre" there you go. The only reason WoW take the forefront of this arguement is because of its subscription base, and how easily accessible it is to all age ranges. WoW doesn't hold any genres back it's the developers that do it. To blame a game for holding back other dev teams lack of originality is crazy, and the blame doesnt even fall to the dev team it goes to the higher ups. They know what sells, they want to pad their bottom line, there you go.
  • Azeroth04Azeroth04 Member Posts: 215
    Originally posted by ShadyWolf

    Originally posted by Azeroth04

    Originally posted by Coolguy20

    WoW didnt hold back the genre every one is wrong on this



    EQ changed its ways way before WoW was released, remember planes of power? it was the inital downfall of the game.



    UO changed HEAVILY to easymode way before WoW was even announced.



    EQ2 changed to be more WoW like because bassically EQ2 just sucked big time, buggy and non playable at the start



    SWG was a failure, no matter how much people love pre CU SWG, SWG was a failure due to how SOE couldnt show the attention the game needed, didnt know how to, they saw WoWs success and decided to go that route because SOE wasnt creative.



    So its not WoWs fault games because easy or change and its definatly not holding back the genre it introduced ALOT of people to the genre, dont get me wrong i quit WoW multiple times, i to get burned out of WoW, iam not a WoW fanboy or basher matter fact today iam going to resub to WoW does it make me a fanboy? No but i think its silly seeing multiple post today on the first page of mmorpg.com general forums of how WoWs dead, dying, or declining. We all know WoW will never reach another million subs, it may never reach another 100k subs but its still one of the most popular.
    When talking about "the genre" we don't mean fantasy MMOs but MMOs in general. The majority of developers want to make a fantasy MMO because that's what WoW is doing. This is how WoW is holding the genre back, by not allowing other genres to emerge.

    That's not entirely true. Publishers make Fantasy based MMO's because that's what sells. The trend started with EQ if you want to blame anyone for "holding back the genre" there you go. The only reason WoW take the forefront of this arguement is because of its subscription base, and how easily accessible it is to all age ranges. WoW doesn't hold any genres back it's the developers that do it. To blame a game for holding back other dev teams lack of originality is crazy, and the blame doesnt even fall to the dev team it goes to the higher ups. They know what sells, they want to pad their bottom line, there you go. Then let me rephrase that. The success of WoW is holding back the genre.
  • HyomotoHyomoto Member Posts: 24
    Originally posted by Azeroth04

    Originally posted by Coolguy20

    WoW didnt hold back the genre every one is wrong on this



    EQ changed its ways way before WoW was released, remember planes of power? it was the inital downfall of the game.



    UO changed HEAVILY to easymode way before WoW was even announced.



    EQ2 changed to be more WoW like because bassically EQ2 just sucked big time, buggy and non playable at the start



    SWG was a failure, no matter how much people love pre CU SWG, SWG was a failure due to how SOE couldnt show the attention the game needed, didnt know how to, they saw WoWs success and decided to go that route because SOE wasnt creative.



    So its not WoWs fault games because easy or change and its definatly not holding back the genre it introduced ALOT of people to the genre, dont get me wrong i quit WoW multiple times, i to get burned out of WoW, iam not a WoW fanboy or basher matter fact today iam going to resub to WoW does it make me a fanboy? No but i think its silly seeing multiple post today on the first page of mmorpg.com general forums of how WoWs dead, dying, or declining. We all know WoW will never reach another million subs, it may never reach another 100k subs but its still one of the most popular.
    When talking about "the genre" we don't mean fantasy MMOs but MMOs in general. The majority of developers want to make a fantasy MMO because that's what WoW is doing. This is how WoW is holding the genre back, by not allowing other genres to emerge.

    Wait... so your saying that WoW is bad because it's so good that other people try to emulate it... so you're condeming WoW for being good and popular. Don't blame WoW is developers can't be original, don't blame them if developers want to follow the crowd. WoW is top dog at the moment, but don't be angry at them for it. It's the developers fault that they're not original, WoW isn't holding back anything.

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  • Azeroth04Azeroth04 Member Posts: 215
    Originally posted by Hyomoto

    Originally posted by Azeroth04

    Originally posted by Coolguy20

    WoW didnt hold back the genre every one is wrong on this



    EQ changed its ways way before WoW was released, remember planes of power? it was the inital downfall of the game.



    UO changed HEAVILY to easymode way before WoW was even announced.



    EQ2 changed to be more WoW like because bassically EQ2 just sucked big time, buggy and non playable at the start



    SWG was a failure, no matter how much people love pre CU SWG, SWG was a failure due to how SOE couldnt show the attention the game needed, didnt know how to, they saw WoWs success and decided to go that route because SOE wasnt creative.



    So its not WoWs fault games because easy or change and its definatly not holding back the genre it introduced ALOT of people to the genre, dont get me wrong i quit WoW multiple times, i to get burned out of WoW, iam not a WoW fanboy or basher matter fact today iam going to resub to WoW does it make me a fanboy? No but i think its silly seeing multiple post today on the first page of mmorpg.com general forums of how WoWs dead, dying, or declining. We all know WoW will never reach another million subs, it may never reach another 100k subs but its still one of the most popular.
    When talking about "the genre" we don't mean fantasy MMOs but MMOs in general. The majority of developers want to make a fantasy MMO because that's what WoW is doing. This is how WoW is holding the genre back, by not allowing other genres to emerge.

    Wait... so your saying that WoW is bad because it's so good that other people try to emulate it... so you're condeming WoW for being good and popular. Don't blame WoW is developers can't be original, don't blame them if developers want to follow the crowd. WoW is top dog at the moment, but don't be angry at them for it. It's the developers fault that they're not original, WoW isn't holding back anything. Yeah that's what I'm doing. WoW is doing well and making money, and because of their financial success, people want to copy what WoW is doing. Although it is true it is the other game developers' fault for doing this, one can not deny that WoW has some unintentional influence on it as well.
  • HensenLirosHensenLiros Member Posts: 461
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/4199607.html

    http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/conspiracism.html

    Read that and you'll understand.

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  • CannedweaselCannedweasel Member Posts: 36
    Of course WOW influenced it, but to lay responsibility on them for a lot of developers having no vision is incredibly unfair. WoW made a game that did very well, was very popular, and had a lot of mechanics that people favored over those of other games. Obviously the success of WoW was a consideration to developers, but really, what was Blizzard to do? See that a whole host of games were coming out that were effectively WoW in a different setting, and just decide to fold because it was bad for the genre? The free market is guiding the games that get released, and always in the free market you will see innovation, followed by a slew of knock-offs, followed again by more innovation. People are getting tired of every game being the same, and you can only get mad at Blizzard for WoW, not for every game released that's exactly like it.
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