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The End of MMOs? Read please, I need your opinion
Raek
Member Posts: 60
So here I am, midnight, absolutely bored. I played nearly ever half decent MMO out there and I gotta say... I'm fed up. Is there no game that can be great? I have to settle with ok, meager, and crap. Here is my gripe with WoW, because I really think if your looking for a good MMO its the one to play at the time:
World of Warcraft. JEEZ. I have to admit, its probably the best or top five MMOs out there just because its a smooth game that easy to play and fun to play with friends. I have played it for a while and I always seem to quit after about 3 months of straight play. I have a couple chars, my highest being level 61. (Yea i got BC for one level, sue me.) But please... this game is all about TAKING. You can only TAKE things from the game. You can't contribute. I can't per say, mould the online world in a little way that I want. All I can do is get loot and kill stuff (and the occasional player). Yea you can craft, but wow, get a worse crafting system.
But where have all the MMOs gone? Yea they are still there... the cruddy F2P ones where chatting is a challenge in the worst GUI i've ever seen... and yea there are the Grind till ya drop games... thats no fun. I've heard Vanguard: SoH had a lot of interesting things but overall it just didn't work out! Its one of the few games I haven't played.
So can anyone suggest a real MMO? Let me list the ones I've tried and have quit: WoW, GW, SWG, AO, FlyFF, Silkroad, Archlord, LOTRO (only the beta though), MUO, VCO, ToP (not for long though), KO, MXO, RFO, Shadowbane, UO, CoH, AA, EVE Online (only the trial for a short bit).
EVE does seem appealing to me, but when I played I found myself bored with constantly going through this gate and that gate, yadayada.
WAR, looks cool, I will admit, and I would very much like to get into beta. But as of right now, I can't find an MMO. I have been playing Counter Strike: Condition Zero for quite a long time, but recently its not been working (OHNOES!). I will be getting a new comp very soon so don't be afraid to suggest those graphic intensive games (if there are any HA!).
BTW - PvP is essentail to MMOs in my opinion. If a MMO doesn't got it, its not worth my playing. So please, someone proove me wrong about this little staleness MMOs have presented to me.
World of Warcraft. JEEZ. I have to admit, its probably the best or top five MMOs out there just because its a smooth game that easy to play and fun to play with friends. I have played it for a while and I always seem to quit after about 3 months of straight play. I have a couple chars, my highest being level 61. (Yea i got BC for one level, sue me.) But please... this game is all about TAKING. You can only TAKE things from the game. You can't contribute. I can't per say, mould the online world in a little way that I want. All I can do is get loot and kill stuff (and the occasional player). Yea you can craft, but wow, get a worse crafting system.
But where have all the MMOs gone? Yea they are still there... the cruddy F2P ones where chatting is a challenge in the worst GUI i've ever seen... and yea there are the Grind till ya drop games... thats no fun. I've heard Vanguard: SoH had a lot of interesting things but overall it just didn't work out! Its one of the few games I haven't played.
So can anyone suggest a real MMO? Let me list the ones I've tried and have quit: WoW, GW, SWG, AO, FlyFF, Silkroad, Archlord, LOTRO (only the beta though), MUO, VCO, ToP (not for long though), KO, MXO, RFO, Shadowbane, UO, CoH, AA, EVE Online (only the trial for a short bit).
EVE does seem appealing to me, but when I played I found myself bored with constantly going through this gate and that gate, yadayada.
WAR, looks cool, I will admit, and I would very much like to get into beta. But as of right now, I can't find an MMO. I have been playing Counter Strike: Condition Zero for quite a long time, but recently its not been working (OHNOES!). I will be getting a new comp very soon so don't be afraid to suggest those graphic intensive games (if there are any HA!).
BTW - PvP is essentail to MMOs in my opinion. If a MMO doesn't got it, its not worth my playing. So please, someone proove me wrong about this little staleness MMOs have presented to me.
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End of mmos? We're just staring we are at a point where mmos are in the finally picking up and the long years of development are starting to end. So between now and early 08 expect a big bang of what I would like to think as the next gen mmos.
I do agree on the fact that the end of mmo is near. But do not fret yet, AoC do seem like a MMO that will last and eargly satisfy our bloodthirst need for PvP.
WAR seems VERY appealing to everyobe, and getting a BETA spot would be great. We just have to sit through this "mmo end gap" for the moment and hold on tight.
I'm currently toning up my skill for Starcraft, polishing my skills and whatnot for SC2 and trying to create a clan with friends!
Your no tthe only one out there. I'm with you on the end of mmo "currently" but wait a couple of months, and you will be like "pfft end of mmo! bs! it's the beginning."
I was about to say if you're a pve'er then no reason to despair. but if you're a pvper.....
This current crop of MMOs are pretty horrible for pvp. I actually worked it out on paper lately....
PvE = vertical progression. loves to see big dmg numbers on mobs and bigger healer numbers. jsut like in the good fantasy books / movies you see the main hero go from noob -> Awesome!
PvP = likes no progrression like shooters or linear progression like Guild Wars (max lvl pvp toon)
the successful PvE based MMOs must go vertical. guarantees you keep the gamer hooked. PvPer likes balanced playing field
problem is that cant happen cause of the constant vertical progression via levels and loot.
Darkfall online woulda been so nice..... but if u dont like Guild Wars then,.....
Ohhh, whats PoTBS?
AoC, does seem very GWish, but the it is very PvPish and the book lore is very much killing of people and beasts. So it should be very violent and bloody!
But i don't think it will very that GWish, cause, face it, its more than 20 levels, and the gameplay seems very good.
emphasize on "seems"
Yea, I figured that since it was suppose to come out june 1st then atleast there would be an open beta soon. But apparntly someone gave a release date way to early, and the end result the game being pushed to another date
They're still in closed beta O_O
PotBS= Pirates of the Burning Sea
Raek,
I too share your thoughts on a "mouldable" mmo, imagine cutting down a tree to come back a few weeks later to see it sprouting, only an example but a world changing mmo would simply be insane.. house building and the destruction of.. this would rock out
I played my fingers until they bled on wow, over it and gave it away!
Looking forward for conan and WAR but i'm hanging for a real sci fi banger.. shame SWG is pox.. great label and world but needs a mass revamp which we wont get into here..(please) lol
anyways give it a few years it will get together!
adios amigo
I DONT KNOW. Just wow... yea I should go to bed lol
Well I'm off to bed... gotta get up at 8:30 tomorrow
Personally don't think there has every been a great MMO as far as combat goes. But they do offer things that games good at combat don't
Hellgate London as you know will change that part. I plaed the PvE side of it at E3 2006 it was amazing. seriously. As far as combat system goes it looks fun and its a great system in which doesnt make you miss and footwork counts.
wonder if that game will have PvP too? I thought the devs told me it would but I just cant remember right now......
EverQuest 2 seems to be the most popular alternative to WoW. Its not very different, but it is different.
I'd suggest giving it a shot....while you can't contribute much to the world, you can at least own a house.
WAR is jsut as instanced as AoC
I want to say try vanguard since we need more players over there... but it sounds like you're realizing what several others have been realizing lately about the current MMOs. There isn't squat out there right now. Sit tight, go outside, play an FPs, an RTS or something else. Stay away from MMOs for a couple months and who knows, maybe one of your old titles will be fun again or we will have the next big hit to play. You like me need PvP in an MMO. That makes this current state of MMOs doubly worse for us I think. Unless something has caught your eye by now you are beter waiting for the upcoming titles. Sad but true
WAR is jsut as instanced as AoC
I want to say try vanguard since we need more players over there... but it sounds like you're realizing what several others have been realizing lately about the current MMOs. There isn't squat out there right now. Sit tight, go outside, play an FPs, an RTS or something else. Stay away from MMOs for a couple months and who knows, maybe one of your old titles will be fun again or we will have the next big hit to play. You like me need PvP in an MMO. That makes this current state of MMOs doubly worse for us I think. Unless something has caught your eye by now you are beter waiting for the upcoming titles. Sad but true
WHAT? I'm confused... WAR is instanced? I didn't get that at all from anything I've read... I even heard them say you can be fighting monsters on one side of the river and see players fighting on the other side. How is AoC instanced?
Also... would you mind explaining Vanguard to me? Why was it such a bad outcome? It seems really cool to me...
dude...i think were twins cause i feel the exact same way you do
tell me when u find something good lol, Darkfall might be good though and yeah u might wanna try Vanguard
One, MMOs will never stop production, most of these games can easily make profit with a couple thousand subscribers, assuming they group servers together and dont keep the entire original team if the game was huge. But what I see if anything, they will go back to a smaller amount being produced which are well polished, which is difficult to find in a game now. I mean they will end up going back to the style that older games were made in where you dont release a game unless its already well polished meaning there isnt an obvious opportunity of an expansion by one part of the world being blocked off from a small wall and still being on the map.
And the biggest part with Vanguard is that it was released before it was completed and before they did thorough checks for bugs. So its release was screwed meaning the game will be reduced to the harcore players in it and a few subscribers that have a quick turnover rate. I mean look at EQ2, horrible release and IMO its great now. DAoC, not a bad release actually but its back in the time where it was suprising when one of these games passed a few hundered thousand subscribers. As with the original EQ. None of those will grow to the size that WoW is even though they are all three better games now.
WAR is instanced in some points, they have multiple types of pvp combat and one is instanced, another seems a lot like DAoC where a horde of enemies could come out of nowhere while your trying to take over a keep. Either way, both of these contribute to your factions control over the world. AoC, i havent been keeping up much on so i dont know whats instanced other then the first few levels.
Have you tried Roma Victor? The graphics aren't as good but the gameplay is amazing! Crafting system is amazing and the combat is decent. $40 USD to buy an account key but no monthly subscription. Its way differen't than WoW. If you want to try something different take a look at Roma Victor. Pretty much everything is made by the players. You can build your own huts to live in. You can craft your own weapons. Everything you see is player made. Its one amazing game i'd say.
http://www.roma-victor.com/
As far as you making changes within an MMO, that is tough to do when you have tens of thousands of players making changes. I think some games are trying to allow this through use of instances. That could make things more interesting in some ways, but may not appeal to all players.
Raek. Vangaurd is really fun. The problem is that it was rushed to release and a lot bugs came into the live version. People claim they CTD a lot (never once for me) and the memory leaks have been fixed for the most part. Another reason it was a huge let down to some is the developers over hyped the game and said it was 3rd gen MMO. anyone who played it knows this isnt true at all and peopel felt betrayed. And one of the biggest reasons it failed is several people who might have liked the game never even tried it because SOE had their name on it. SOE messed up SWG pretty bad if you didnt already know. Still... the game is awesome in my eyes and with the upcoming server mergers the population issue will get better hopefully.
You want to contribute to the gaming community. There are games out there that let the players do that, but usually only in the masses. AO and Eve are both largely player driven, it's been a while since I played SWG but when I did players were able to contribute to it as well.
What you need to do to contribute is get past the appearance that questing is all there is to do. In Anarchy Online, players were able to accomplish a lot in the 6 year existence. When the game started, the Council of Truth was originally NPC driven. About 2 years after the release, the clans began to protest this and there were even councils formed with the purpose to overthrow the CoT (Council of Ares stands out in my mind). Eventually, the key NPC stepped down from his position and now the CoT is composed of all player guilds. Though the game isn't graphically advanced anymore the game still allows players to contribute to the community. In fact, Gridstream still produces its show on weekends.
LOTRO also allows players to contribute to the community as well just to not such an extreme as AO since the history is pre-set. There are player hosted events ranging from concerts and poetry readings to radioshows.
It really depends what you mean by the desire to contribute to the community.
Let it be known that I hate WoW with a passion and will defend almost any MMORPG against it.
Current: FFXI (PC/360)
Want: FFXIV, Stargate Worlds, Star Trek Online
Past: AC, AoC, AO, Atlantica Online, CoH/V, DAoC, Dungeon Runners, D&DO, EVE, Everquest I+II, FlyFF, GW (all), Lineage 2, LOTRO, Mabinogi, Maplestory, PSO (DC/Xbox/PC), PSU (PC/360), PlanetSide, RO, Shadowbane, SWG (Pre-NGE), SotNW, TR, UO, Warhammer Online, WoW, WWIIO
I feel your pain.
And when I think of all the accomplishments others in the computer entertainment business have made in 10 year periods... from the 80's to the 90's and 90's to 00- in all sorts of platforms and genres... I can't help but feel those behind the MMO genre should be absolutely ASHAMED of themselves for their lack of progress.