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conan=original/warhammer=wow with more emphasis on pvp
ASmith84
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the title says it all.
Conan
new combat system that actually gets you involve in it. im sick of the click on your enemy and watch him and you swing at each other until someone dies. now you can actually swing your weapon in different ways at your enemy. also you sidestep in age of conan. you have to touch the guy in order to hit them. sidesteping might help you avoid some attacks. in other games like wow you just jump around like maniacs hopin the calculations will let you hit the guy even though you dont actually touch him. yes i know there will be some calculations in conan but mostly its about skill not math lol.
rated m. blood and choppin heads off. cool. first m rated mmo right here. please parents dont let your kids play this game.
customization. best their is no doubt. you can even customize your arse. and yes even better than coh and v.
different look to medieval fantasy theme. its darker. everythings darker. plus its rated m so you know itll be different. and im not talkin about darker as in brightness.
aiming system. you actually have to aim your arrows at your target. i like this better than the constant shooting at something and let calculations see if you hit or not.
mount combat. some games have this i know. conan seems that itll make it even better. cant discuss much about this since i havnt played a mmo with mount combat before. you think blizzard employees might think that mount combat would be cool by now.
make your own town. who thought of that before? i dont think anyone have (in a mmo). sounds pretty cool. dont feel like goin into details just go read about it on the website.
lvl cap 80. might not be a huge thing but its higher than wows 70.
singleplayer till you get to 20 or whatever. sounds bad at first but think about it. this allows you to get use to the game and when you start playin with others you should know what to do. this will allow less time teaching new comers how to play since they should already know. this probably wont happen but it just might cut down on people callin each other noobs. and if someone still calls you a noob thats pretty bad i would think lol.
Warhammer
this game sounds like a hardcore pvp game. before you get mad at me think about this. even when your doin your quests or whatever you are still somehow contributing to the huge war thing which is pvp. now dont get me wrong i like pvp and its what i mainly do in mmo's. and this game sounds pretty cool i like this massive war thing goin on. but sometimes i want to take a break from it. also not everyone likes pvp. but who knows nonpvpers might even play it hell they go on pvp servers in wow but never pvp. i dont get that.
heres my final thoughts. conan LOOKS like the better game. it offers more and has more stuff to do in it. plus with the new combat system it SOUNDS like it has better pvp. notice what i said. i didnt say it IS better. i know they havnt been released yet. but im not jinxin it. if your a hardcore fan of warhammer give it a shot. if you want to be on a constant battlefield give warhammer a shot also. if you want more variety and things to do with new combat system in it play conan. if you just want something new give conan a shot. if you want a less of a kiddies game and more of a mature one conans the game.
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Looking for something new.
HEY GREAT! ANOTHER thread comparing apples and oranges!
WOOOOOOOOOO!
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Also i would like to add that Shadowbane has featured player-made cities, so nothin new there.
Glad to see it turned out to be one of the more intelligent Threads concerning both games.
But, let me tell you:
Dungeons and Dragons Online had a similar Combat System: One click=One Swing of your Weapon, if it touches something physically, a to-hit-Roll is made, so not every hiting swing actually results in damage. Meaning Armor still has a Meaning.
But let me tell you in what that resulted:
Click-Spamfest. Enemy comes near, CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK *run around like a headless chicken and click click click*...
I'm not saying that AoC will suffer from the same problems, but a relatively new System always bears risks.
DDO also had the "aim your arrow at the enemy". Actually I found that fun, gave you some cool "BOOM Headshot"-Feeling against Mobs
But I also see risks there, being that Archers become one hell of ineffective in fights, or heavily overpowered. They won't insta-fly I assume, so you can evade them, so, if you got some movement skills, you could possibly outdance the enemy archer until you are near... never played AoC, but the Combat System is risky IMO, so I'll trial it for free, but I won't put blind confidence in the Quality of it.
And, I dunno, didn't Vanguard advertised that you could build your own towns and attack them? Or was that an early development plan, that was later scrapped?
Also, the Building will probably require Crafting Materials, right? (I'm not informed about that matter, so it's just my assumptions here)... Since this is probably a Guild vs. Guild feature, I assume quite many Crafting Materials, and I also assume that collecting them does not include PvP. (So you have to mine ressource nodes, or kill appropriate NPC Monsters or something)
IF those assumptions are right, I don't like it. At all. I want to PvP, I don't want to stand at some ressource point for hours on end, only to find my built up City being razed by an opponent Guild, so I have to collect new ressources again.
Then, concerning WAR:
Yes, everything will be geared towards the RvR.
(Note: RvR and PvP are NOT the same. RvR does NOT only mean PvP between two or more different Realms)
However, it WILL have PvE Quests, Dungeons and all that. The only thing that "geared towards the RvR" means is: Instead of fighting Bears for a Quest, you are sent out to kill some Dwarfs, or Orcs, or whatnot. Instead of searching for the Quest-Item "Old Wine", you search for the Quest-Item "Dwarf Poison"...
You CAN PvE throughout your whole WAR Career, if you want, you don't have to EVER enter a PvP Zone.
So you can collect ressources, fight mobs, quest, chill out in a Tavern, craft stuff and all that in WAR as well.
But you shouldn't expect an as big PvE World in WAR as in WoW, the focus IS PvP, after all.
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I'm looking forward to AOC..but calling it original is a bit of a stretch. PVE level grind to 80.... been there, done that..., special PVP zone, not really new, other than player cities will be in there.. (oh, like Shadowbane? except they were in the open world there)
It has some new concepts, and mounted combat sure is something to look forward to. As to the rest of the combat we'll see how the targeting thing goes... lag could be a big killer of ranged combat but won't know until we see a beta.
I'll never understand people's needs to tout one game as superior and deride the other by comparing it to WOW. (I'm sure the folks at Mythic would love to have about 1/3 of Blizzards total subs)
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Side stepping was available back in 1999 in Asheron's call when you were 10 years old, if you want so see what its like try the trial, dodging can be fun. Positional/reactional combat is one of the more interesting aspects of DAoC (the makers of WAR) and it will probably be in Warhammer as well.
No idea about the char customization in WAR yet, but since the Catacombs expansion Mythic has had a fairly robust customiztion system. Will AoC's be better? not sure haven't played it, If someone can spend 2-3 hours getting everything just right like you can in CoX I'll say its pretty good, but until i try it i'll give the "best there is" title a pass.
Rated "M" means diddly/squat when it comes to who plays this game. Older players will play whether its M or not if its FUN!!!! Younger ones will want to play because its rated M. When was the last time you saw a kid pass up a game because it was rated M? As for parents keeping them away....same question.
Drunken brawling sounds dark as hell
I'll wait on the aiming system, They've said some pretty good things, i hope they pull it off.
Archlord has mounted combat........
As someone said before, Shadowbane allowed for the creation of player towns, If AoC allows their complete and utter destruction at 4am when no one from the town is online they deserve to be kicked in the testicles for not paying attention the first time town creation was done. I believe they did mention something about avoiding that issue in one of the dev chats/diaries.
Level cap....meh...Take em or leave em, its pretty much an arbitrary choice in games.
The single player component sounds interesting, but what happens when you finally do start grouping? Most of us have played wow and had that one guy who soloed to whatever lvl before getting in a grp.
Warhammer does have a pve component, its just that the pve component directly relates to the pvp component, you aren't pvping at those times you are doing PVE with a purpose rather than kill 8 wolves and bring me their hides. Speaking on that, check out the quests blog they recently put out his, example of a guy standing in the middle of a field of bears really drives home how they are innovating the same old "kill this and come back to me" quests.
If you don't want to watch it the short version is you kill a bunch of bears to reach this guy in a field of bears and he says "thanks, I hate bears, you've completed a quest here's something for killing em" instead of the "go out and re-kill 10 bears and bring me their teeth as proof"
All in all I'll just try em both and choose then.
Looks like you read a lot about AOC, and did not even go to the WAR site. You listed a bunch of cool things about AOC and just gave a brief and inaccurate description of WAR.
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why are people getting mad at me for postin something about these two games? everyone else is doing it i thought i should do it to.
i said it last time and ill say it again. i do realize they havnt come out yet. this is just my opinion on which game will be better.
ok ill admit i did a poor review of warhammer. but i summed it up pretty much. all over the main site it talks about war this and war that. sounds like it wants to be a hardcore pvp game. also you can pretty much say its a pvp game just by this sentence on the main site "Based on Games Workshop's popular Warhammer fantasy world. Dominated by force of arms and magic, this world provides a rich setting for hundreds of thousands of players to experience the epic nature of war and the glory of battle. " notice the last part "experience the epic nature of war and the glory of battle. " if that doesnt say alot of pvp i dont know what does. if your still not convinced take a look at this "WAR features next generation Realm vs. Realm™ (RvR) game play that will immerse players in a world of perpetual conflict. " perpetual conflict sounds alot like pvp stuff to me.
i never said anything about warhammer bein a kiddy game. i just dont want kids to play conan so i dont have to hear all the lame immature jokes and comments about peoples moms and stuff. if you still dont get it to put it simple IT WAS A JOKE.
i never really played eve longer than 5 minutes for it lost my interest really fast. the game looks boring. anyways i didnt know about the town buildin thing in eve. my bad.
ask yourself this question before postin somthin, do i really want to spend a few minutes of my life makin fun of someone who posted something on a forum about mmorpg's only to realize i could of just ignored it and moved on. <mod edit>
anyways all i did was make a simple opinion about two computer games. if you want to spend time and be jerks to me and say how immature i am and crap like that go ahead. as for me im gonna go do somthin with my life rather than waste my time on these forums listenin to people like you all who have nothin better to do with their lives.
also games arnt meant to be taken seriously like you guys are taken this post. i was just tryin to have a good time expressing my opinion about two games. if you take games as serious as you do talkin about them i feel sorry for the groups you get into on mmo's. i try to enjoy games and have fun with them i dont know what you do with them.
dont worry about me postin anymore for i quit.
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You should go find out what kind traditional healing system AoC still uses. So what if u have a new combat system and a poor healing system? What is actually that combat system that is so new? Its not new as explained above by the previous posts. Healing system is being innovated in WAR, and its far more challenging and interesting than that used by current mmorpgs. No main role healers FTW!
i dont want people to take this too seriou just actually have a point to what they are sayin not just you review sucks or your immature stuff like that.
anyways heres my responses
im a melee kind of guy. i dont like usin magic much. i didnt look into all the magic casting and healing things in conan. but it is different. it has a dark look to it i believe. when you use magic your body starts changing i heard. healing in conan from what i heard is different. most healing is done over time. thats pretty much all i know about it
i kinda wish i could change my title. i shouldnt have compared war to wow. i should of just said something about warhammer bein a constant warzone.
I think you should definitely read more into both games. It sounds like all of your information is hear-say, and most of it is very inaccurate (for both games).
Hopefully you'll read into both of these games a lot more, and check out the newsletters from both that have been coming out for the last year, and then post a much better information oriented, not hear-say oriented, post.
Though I think you killed the unbiased opinion of any of your posts by titling it like you did.
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instead of review let me say that this is my preview of the games. honustly i dont think this is a big deal anyway but if it makes everyone happy here you go.
i am not sure how my thoughts on these games are inaccurate. think about this how can my own thoughts about a game be inacurate they are MY thoughts. everyone has their own thoughts about stuff and i have mine.
ill redo my warhammer PREVIEW. do not pay attention to the title i realize now that i have screwed it up.
Warhammer
look at these quotes from the main site. "Undertake a wide variety of PvE quest types related to an army's war efforts" "Engage in four levels of RvR combat" "Wage war across three unique battlefronts" "A robust combat system introduces Player Tactics (earned powers you equip prior to battle) and Morale Skills (combat options that increase in power when the momentum of battle is in your favor)." "The ultimate goal in RvR combat is the sacking of an enemy's capital city."
"For the first time, WAR's RvR system integrates both Player vs. Player (PvP) combat and Player vs. Environment (PvE) quests on the same map. Every aspect of the game, including PvE missions, is geared towards the greater war in some important way. However, players are not required to participate in PvP combat, and may aid in the RvR war effort and enjoy the game in its entirety via PvE content."
maybe its just me but after reading all of this i came up with this conclusion. your in a constant warzone either doin pvp or some quest thing that relates to the pvp. yes i know you dont have to do pvp but in a game that has you somehow contribute to the pvp why not do it? plus wouldnt you have to protect yourself if some guy decided to attack you on the opposite army? yes their are people like that wow people call them gankers or somthin like that. this also proves all my points and that i have been to the main site.
Conan
quotes "Build your own unique character by utilizing the game's powerful character creation system. Alter anything from the size of your arms to the angle of your beat-up nose" "Advance through 80 experience levels of adventure" "Be a lone wolf, a guild leader or even a battlefield commander, in Age of Conan you can become anything you want" (more variety) "Become a part of the political life on your server, form guilds, construct cities and declare war on other guilds" (even more variety) "
"A real-time, dynamic combat system that let sword-wielders, spellcasters and archers fight their own battles in real-time -- no more combat on autopilot! Choose where to attack with six directions of impact in melee combat . Archers get to string their bow, zoom in on their targets and manually let go of the arrow to make deadly real-time strikes. Magic-wielders get to create powerful spellweaves -- a series of combined spells that can lead to devestating destruction other powerful results. Fight from horseback -- mount your creature and bury your sword into the backs of your foes as you crush through them. Enter player-made battle formations to maximize your damage and defense. No more targeting -- when you swing your weapon, you can hit many enemies in one blow if you're close enough"
basically just read everything from the main site. yes i have read all of conan and i know what i am talkin about. maybe you all need to read some of it. i can keep goin on with pullin quotes to back up what i said but i have grown tired of it.
heres my final thought. i THINK that age of conan WILL BE the better game. simply because FROM THE MAIN SITES WHERE I GOT THESE QUOTES tells me that conan has a little more to offer than warhammer does. now if you dont like this fine you are entitled to your opinion as i am entitled to mine.
Well both games look great. SWG has player cities, its a ok feature nothing to impressive. What I dont like about player cities is that it creates ghost towns and would spread out the population to much. Only thing that worries me about AoC is if that lag will play a influence with pvp. I dont know about you but I would get pretty frustrated in pvp when my target is warping and rubberbanding across the map. Or chasing a target for a long time just to hit him.
With WAR what has me interested is of course the massive pvp. You can lvl through pvp and pve whicjh is nice and the global quest feature seems cool. ill try both games each has its strong points and only time will tell how each game turns out.
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