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Tnice
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Written by the Guild Leader of the Guild shown in the G4 Review of Vanguard.
See the full story here --> http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=146741&ForumID=694125&TabID=1246104&TopicID=5094565
They were also the top Guild in VG and participated in early testing both raid and beta. They are Ex-FoH and have direct contact with the Creators of the game.
I have had numerous people asking me about the status of this game, why it failed, and of the like so I will make one post to sum it all up.
I did not play beta and at this point am thankful that I didnt. Vanguard was a horrendous game. First off lets start with the computer needs.
1) The computer needs for Vanguard didnt bother me too much. It was supposed to be a new engine and a new high end graphically enhanced game. Therefore I wasnt upset about having to spend on some new computer hardware.
The problem was that Vanguard literally put together an absolutely shi**y environment. It was a black and white world (basically) full of just horrendous textures and landscapes. To sum Vanguard up, it looked like they had one artist working on everything, and it failed miserably. So I guess you could conclude that I was irratated to spend cash on a game that boasted to be graphically enhanced but in truth was a pile of steaming s**t from the graphic side.
2) The content perspective was piss poor from the very start. We at Triton worked with it with a thought pattern that it would improve. On the good side, the pathing wasnt all too bad for a new game which surprised us, but the content was horrible. Lets be honest, how horrible was the quest system? How horrible was the sound system? I will steal a line from Methos here. It sounded like Brad and his gay lover went into the basement and recorded each and every one of the voice overs to save money. They were TERRIBLE. Who else wanted to kill someone when a quest NPC said "Hello, I have need of your aid". I would call the sound horrible but Im afraid that would be a compliment.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that Triton is/was easily the premier end game calibur guild in Vanguard. Brad knew it so he allowed us to submit suggestion, Sony knew it so they allowed us to test YOUR (the people who remained) raid content and suggest new encounters. What I found on the raid testing was ONE man creating encounters, having them be tested and be COMPLETELY out of the f**king loop from the other office sections. For example, Avarem (the lead raid programmer dev, great guy btw) had no f**king idea how pvp would change the structure of raiding in the Port Warehouse.
What this tells me is that Vanguard had horrendous communication with its other departments. Some of you may shrug that off either because you are clearly stupid or you are still on the blowjob for Vanguard bandwagon but it is not good business to say the least.
For you people looking for end game material listen up. If we still played VG we would probably be "in trouble" for breaking the NDA but you wont see any encounters for another 3 months at the LEAST and when you DO see the encounter you should send a hooker over to each and every Triton, and Blades of Wraths members house for a blow job for creating it for you.
3) Speaking of bad business operations. Personally I believe that Sony will inevitably do the best job they can with this f**king lemon. They are a solid company with alot of capital to spend. Thats GREAT for those who want to wait it out, etc etc. Nothing wrong with that, HOWEVER, they made a bad move with their current mergers and here is why.
I understand whole heartedly about the desire to consolidate servers to allow for higher population and potentially increase grouping but as a raid tester and someone who has personally spoke to Smed, among others let me break it down. The ONLY reason they consolidated the servers was because they knew that even though many would quit if they did, it would save MANY more from quitting by each server individually dying one after the other. On that I can see their point and thats no problem but where they f**ked up was the PvP aspect.
Adding a team oriented PvP server to a FFA server was outright dumb. The FFA server gets a big f**king birthday cake including Brads gay lover to suck them off and say "Here is more grief bait!" but it completely f**ks up the Team PvP players desire for the server of their choice. Consider it this way. Each person who signed up for the Team PvP signed up for that to be in an balanced environment of PvP, and PvE. Different people like different things as Im sure all can respect but Sony in all their wisdom decided to say "f**k you" to the PAYING CUSTOMERS choice and save their own ass and extend this sinking ship a few more months, increasing revenue.
Thats something that needs to be REALIZED. If you went to a store, bought an apple and it had a worm in it. You would be pissed, bring it to the store and get your money back or a new f**king apple. The store would NEVER say to you "sorry kid, you paid for something and now have to deal with it". Moral of this is that Sony proves it doesnt give a flying f**k about the paying customer base by this blatent merger to save its own ass and while I understand it, I can never respect it.
4) The f**king exploits and bugs. I will say this and end with this. This game came out 5-6 months ago, has been in the works for 4 fucking years and just this WEEK fixed 309 bugs. Does anyone else find that to be hilarious? This game is THAT bad that THIS far into it, there were still 309 fixes needed (and lets be honest, that probably didnt even touch the total number).
People using ISX, people exploiting tombs, people speed hacking. I could literally f**king bot diplomacy for 24 hours a day and not recieve one GM message because 1) No GMs existed 2) They didnt care. This isnt to say I did (contrary to what some may think) and I dont give a flying f**k about the retards who may think I personally did. What this goes to the heart of is that WHERE WERE THE GMS!?
5) My conclusion is that Brad got way over his head. He hired numerous people who were still in college and are GREAT people I have gamed with for years but probably did so to save money. In the end he f**ked them all over as well (we wont get into that but being that I am close with Nino you can trust me, or not). This game was basically all talk and nobody ever walked the walk.
Look, hate my opinion, hate my top notch guild, hate me, or hate my epeen arrogance or not you have to see this game for what it is. Its a f**king calamity of massive proportions. I think that Sigil and Sony should call me and say...
"Chris, we appreciate the hard work you put in testing our shi**y product" and they should say that to each and every player who literally stayed on board this sinking piece of absolute s**t for months.
So I guess I will conclude with good luck and "laughs" to anyone else holding their ground on this piece of sh*t. If you want a 50 bard, 500 diplomat with 30 plat send me a PM here and we can work something out. No normal human being who enjoys gaming for competition, or enjoys gaming for the fun of it (freshness) could ever sit by this game.
Generol/Kalaran
Ex Leader of Triton
Ex Officer of Fires of Heaven
Still your f**king Lord and Master...slave.
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(red) told me enough, i really do not care what these type of "ELITIST" feel about ANY game sorry. Its not that i disagree with everything, cause there are things that are thruth, But its sad that such a person feels the need to bring it like this person did.
Btw Tnice do you actualy play games or are you just a drama queen that loves drama and doesn't even play?
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Let me put it this way:
Originally posted by deplorable
Nah a fanboy is someone that can't mention ONE bad thing about their game.... let alone two.
a fanboy is someone who only plays ONE game [mmo's]/console, and describes the rest has "having played them and they were poo"
a fanboy is someone that'll result to insults rather than humbly admit that the LFG tool could be better.
a fanboy is someone who complains about the bots in their game ruining the economy, but then happily charges 200G for a low level blue or equivalent.
a fanboy is someone upon hearing the news his/her class is being nerfed, threatens to leave the game, like it'll make a difference.
Thats for me a Fanboi in which i abviously do not fit as like i say many time do research else it looks so ignorant to call someone a fanboi when its obvious some people have no idea what a fanboy/boi is.
This is just flamebait in the end.
My thoughts on the points raised:
MAIN POINTS
VG's environment looks sh*t - I disagree, but its a subjective thing.
The content is horrible - True theres not enough content there, but i think whats there is OK.
The sound is horrible - I rarely play with sound in any mmo, but i thought VG's sound was on par.
Sigil and/or Sony has/had terrible internal structure/communication - Sounds pretty accurate for a lot of the development process of VG. All the evidence I've seen leads me to think that Sigil had some serious managment problems. As for as SOE goes, I have no idea - although I would have assumed that given their experience and diversity in managing MMO's they would at least have a reasonable handle on how to work with VG.
Servers merged to avoid (current) single servers dying completely - Makes sense to me. I would add though that there were a lot of threads calling for merges in silky, official boards etc (and also a lot of threads against merges) before the announcement was made.
The mergers screwed up the team PvP model - Yes it did.
Was and still is lots of bugs - There were too many bugs at launch. There a far less now, but they still exist. Some very annoying ones still exist that should have been fixed by launch.
GM's dont exist - I have never had to hail one myself, but from what I hear the response times to petitions and so forth is pretty terrible usually.
ANCILLARY POINTS
Brad has a gay lover - Plausible
Brad and his gay lover made all the voices - Plausible but unlikely imo
Brad's gay lover blowing all the FFA PvP'ers - Considering the population on that server these days.....plausible
VG is black and white - I could have sworn I saw color while I was crafting today
Triton is/was the premier end game guild - Very impressive, especially considering the end game doesnt exist at this point in time
No normal human being could enjoy VG - I could only disagree by assuming that im normal - and that may be too long a stretch
Lots of swear words and dramatic hyperbole - Adds lots of credability to his post
OK first off I think some "guilds" do good things for these games, on that note, I think others that fall into the "elitest guilds" catagory ruin these games. If Trition had so much direct contact with Sigil and SOE on the game and was one of the premier guilds playing Vanguard and giving input on how the game was to be created - thanks for destroying what might have been one of the best MMORPG's ever. Your "elitest" attitude from guilds like you are what ruins these games for the masses of normal - average players. You guys can spend 6+ hrs a day playing these games and you guys are the ones that turn them into grindfest from hell.
Make note of this guys complete disregard of other players and how they may feel. Is that the kind of guy you wish to have giving advice to the developers of a game like this?
This guy is whining about the current condition of the game and yet he was there in beta, when the game went live and when they started raid content testing. This is a case where I think blame not only falls on Sigil for the games current condition, but also these elitest beta testing guilds.
I can only conclude that this post is from the future, and the 3 month prediction on raid content is not valid.
1. One guy is developing raid content and it needs to be out within a couple of months. After server merges, you will see "gangs" of level 50s spoiling for a challenge. I can see it now. The raid content is going to be so brilliant that subs will doubled. Erm ... yeah right.
2. Hiring college kids of the jobs. This explained the continuous lack of professionalism in many areas. For example, server mergers is a sensitive issue. Flamehammer got missed out in the notes. When they found it, its like 'oops here it is now'. You keep seeing it over and over again. Things that were working now no longer works. You start to get a feel that no one really cared about the game experience anymore. It is like the whole team is just going down a long list of 'issues' and fixing one at a time.
Another example is the login bug. The login screen works fine for months and in the big patch it falls over at the login screen???
3. Doesn't anyone get a feel that SOE/Vanguard Dev Team is so desperate now that they are basically asking the players what they want and implementing the most asked-for features? There are no longer going by any 'guiding vision'. Of course that's a dirty word now. Still I can't see how Vanguard will significantly improve over the long term if a bunch of college kids is just fixing bugs and implementing features that are "voted" in by vocal players.
Is Vanguard a high fantasy? LOTR (not LOTRO) is high fantasy with a moral bent. Just high fantasy is not enough these days.
Is Vanguard hardcore? With the introduction of Rest XP, I think not. Rest XP is just an example.
Is Vanguard casual? It could be except that the system requirement is nowhere near casual.
Is Vanguard a brutal PvP game? Possibly FFA servers but its core design is not.
Is Vanguard a PvP game? No as it is PvE centric.
It is neither here nor there.
4. Server mergers. Housing plot clashes. Team PvP being axed. Name clashes. AoC launching in 3.5 months. Combine all t above points, what will you get? I reckon you get a 30M dollar Titanic.
Again this is in line with the popular opinion that SOE just want to stabilize Vanguard, take it out of ICU and put it out to pasture like Matrix Online. Its glory days are over.
How sad. Once upon a time, there were so much optimism for this game.
Ooooookkkkaaayyyy.
This Generol fellow needs to grow up a bit. The fact that is couldn't get the name "General" tells me he did not pick up the game at release and the way he writes reminds me of a teenager who is POed at the world not just the game.
It also appears he did not play the game very long. Those like myself who have been here since beta and not left nor desire to leave speaks volumes for the game just in the statement alone. It is a challenging and well thought out game. Yes the platform need some work. It is a new engine and what need engine does need some tweaking. Over all it has become a more stable enviroment over the last few months and the devs that are there are the one that have been with the game since day one. Yes management has changed but the people that have put their heart into the game is still there and making the game better every day.
I myself spent about 20 hours on the game this weekend [Friday night - Sunday night] (I have a RL and it needs my attention as well) and I still enjot this game. I worked on my Ranger, my Dread Knight as well as a Rogue, and enjoyed playing everyone of them. I also build sloops and rented a Griffin to get to my body after getting killed.
This game has a lot to offer but it is a thinking game. If you don't want to think then don't waste your time. Stay in WoW.
edit: the top population guild is and always has been "the old timers" the richest for a long time was "Alliance of Steel" only rescently over taken by "Brotherhood of the Spider" I am truly curious what guild he is talking about. Never heard of Generol's guild at all.
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
Having purchased Vanguard around launch, and seeing it's condition, I cancelled. Months later, I keep returning to these forums to see if things have improved over time. Sadly, nothing has changed.
The more time that passes, the less I seem to care though. So much so, in finishing this message, it is a toss up whether I hit the "cancel" button, or the "post message" button. Maybe I'll insert a poll instead......
Someone else (or the same person) posted this in VG's official forums as well and no one has heard of this person or this guild.
Basicly this is just another attempt by someone who had no true knowledge of the game trying to belittle it so you will go play another game which most likely they are gold farmers at since gold farmers are having a hard time making any type of money on VG.
Many people have rescently posted that they have just started the game and are enjoying it. It is time to give this game the chance it deserves. Honestly you will like it.
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
(red) told me enough, i really do not care what these type of "ELITIST" feel about ANY game sorry. Its not that i disagree with everything, cause there are things that are thruth, But its sad that such a person feels the need to bring it like this person did.
Btw Tnice do you actualy play games or are you just a drama queen that loves drama and doesn't even play?
Back when I was still playing VG, most people I have come across were elitists such as that guy, or people trying to be tough elitists. VG had this coming, Brad loved and built the game around arrogant "yes-men" elitists, if you ask me, VG is getting what it deserves.Let me put it this way:
Originally posted by deplorable
Nah a fanboy is someone that can't mention ONE bad thing about their game.... let alone two.
a fanboy is someone who only plays ONE game [mmo's]/console, and describes the rest has "having played them and they were poo"
a fanboy is someone that'll result to insults rather than humbly admit that the LFG tool could be better.
a fanboy is someone who complains about the bots in their game ruining the economy, but then happily charges 200G for a low level blue or equivalent.
a fanboy is someone upon hearing the news his/her class is being nerfed, threatens to leave the game, like it'll make a difference.
Thats for me a Fanboi in which i abviously do not fit as like i say many time do research else it looks so ignorant to call someone a fanboi when its obvious some people have no idea what a fanboy/boi is.
Who ever said deplorable was right in this definition ... right ...Long doesnt mean good. Windy explanation doesn't mean they are good. (although Cindy's explanations...)
I always try to keep it simple, be simple...make it clear:
I don't want to raid. Raid-free servers where a necessity for me to even consider that game. Raiding is a FOREIGN gameplay, I rather PvP then raid. Yet, these devs understand that they can't enforce PvP, yet they come with this 20% thingy...LOL.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Let me put it this way:
Originally posted by deplorable
Nah a fanboy is someone that can't mention ONE bad thing about their game.... let alone two.
a fanboy is someone who only plays ONE game [mmo's]/console, and describes the rest has "having played them and they were poo"
a fanboy is someone that'll result to insults rather than humbly admit that the LFG tool could be better.
a fanboy is someone who complains about the bots in their game ruining the economy, but then happily charges 200G for a low level blue or equivalent.
a fanboy is someone upon hearing the news his/her class is being nerfed, threatens to leave the game, like it'll make a difference.
Thats for me a Fanboi in which i abviously do not fit as like i say many time do research else it looks so ignorant to call someone a fanboi when its obvious some people have no idea what a fanboy/boi is.
Who ever said deplorable was right in this definition ... right ...Not me
Well it doesn't take much to check that many in the Triton guild are still playing - currently listed as having 37 member, no alts and an average level of 48 ...... all classes seem to be covered and they have done the diplomacy and crafting stuff as well. So suggesting that they haven't been playing / have no idea what they are on about is probably off the mark.
What you can also find out is that they are (probably) bored out of there mind and somewhat pissed that the Team PvP server is being merged as well.
A key point is the suggestion that the long, long, long time promised raid content is nowhere near ready, What little there is only exists because of volunteer efforts and it won't be ready for well over 3 months. And you got the idea from Gilbertson's post on Tentonhammer that very little i going to happen quickly - and since then they have advetised for programmers.
If they stick around with VSoH beyond AoC say or PotBS or somesuch I would be surprised,
Beyond that people can make of the post what they will.
The FFA server gets a big f**king birthday cake including Brads gay lover to suck them off
I stopped reading at that part.
Don't really care what anyone has to say when they choose to say it like that.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Anyway, putting aside any pretending that dirtier language hasn't been spoken or heard elsewhere, it sorta sucks to see an enthusiastic guild lose interest. Yeah I know, they're elitists, jerks or whatever, but those types of guilds have always bit the bullet on buggy raid experiences so that more casual guilds wouldn't have to.
Hopefully there's no shortage of guilds contributing well to the testing phase, and that particular guild turns out to be inconsequential in the long run, which is more than likely I guess.
No it wasn't in a public article on an affiliated site. It was on a guild site located on Guildportal, and that's not a personal website like an affiliated site.
I personally don't find dirty language offensive. I've got one of the filthiest mouths around, and enjoy dropping the F bomb. It's one of my favorite words in fact. But as a mature, intelligent adult, I don't see the need to write such things to get my point across.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Well it doesn't take much to check that many in the Triton guild are still playing - currently listed as having 37 member, no alts and an average level of 48 ...... all classes seem to be covered and they have done the diplomacy and crafting stuff as well. So suggesting that they haven't been playing / have no idea what they are on about is probably off the mark.
What you can also find out is that they are (probably) bored out of there mind and somewhat pissed that the Team PvP server is being merged as well.
A key point is the suggestion that the long, long, long time promised raid content is nowhere near ready, What little there is only exists because of volunteer efforts and it won't be ready for well over 3 months. And you got the idea from Gilbertson's post on Tentonhammer that very little i going to happen quickly - and since then they have advetised for programmers.
If they stick around with VSoH beyond AoC say or PotBS or somesuch I would be surprised,
Beyond that people can make of the post what they will.
LMAO 37????????
and they call themselves a major guild.
1) The Old Timers Guild ----- 684 people
2) Oracles of Vanguard -------- 538 people
3) Halls of Karma --------- 433 people
4) Allaince of Steel ------ 425 people
5) Stormhaven -------- 368 people
These are the top five guilds in the game at this time. Now these are top guilds
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
No it wasn't in a public article on an affiliated site. It was on a guild site located on Guildportal, and that's not a personal website like an affiliated site.
Affiliate Site as in Vanguard's Affiliate Program, which is a far cry from a personal website.Anyway, the point was, if anyone were to peruse the rest of the posts on his guild's forum, everyone uses that kind of timbre in their language. So it's not like he was being especially mean, or outside the element of the medium he chose.