Nice review OP, glad you are having fun so far, I enjoyed it too during the lower levels.
We'll see if you still enjoy that rogue by level 20 or so... (I'd recommend you reroll one of the good solo classes right now, such as a cleric, hunter(ranger?) or bear shaman.... )
Do not roll a cleric. Nerf'ed badly lvl 38 has a hard time taking on 4 dot lvl 20's. The 20's dont do much dmg but I don't dmg them much either. Found out trying to save some guildies in the ant cave 2 days ago.
Bear shaman is the way to go TBH. You can solo all the way up and actually have fun too. Ranger is so so with solo but once again you have to kite alot.
Solo players go with Bear shawman. Otherwise you'll need a group with a tank/healer and dps like Sorc.
If your going at it solo then just stick with mobs that are a lvl higher than you. lvl 6 you should be able to find some spiders and wolves around your area. Wolves go down the quickest and give good xp. Most of the missions are for teams of 2-6 and take a long time to run around and do for the little xp they offer. Most of the quests are the laxzy npc types ie: go here and kill 15 of this and that. /yawn boring.
If you do grouping do KE, ants, tk to lvl 35 from 35 to 40 things get slow until your high enough to do the group thing again
But whatever you do do not make a cleric unless your idea of fun is just to heal while others have fun
Name one way vanguard is easier then WoW.. i played wow religiously for a year.. How much time did you put into vg?
Vanguard combat is EASY. EASY. EASY. I was soloing "large group mobs" well above my level with little chance of dying, or even being seriously hurt. I don't believe I've ever been able to solo a raid mob in WoW..
How much time.. Beta for a month or so and then enough live to get 1 toon to the low 40s and bunch into the mid 20s, and a mid-30 weaponsmith. I stuck around long enough to give it a fair chance.
You're kidding, right?
You could have watched me clear entire farms in WPL with my mage. 20+ mobs at a time.
Myself and a friend would duo instances that were up to +2 levels over us with our hunters.
Combat in VG actually has more depth and complexity to it then WoWs if you take advantage of it. If you just press buttons then it's no dif. then WoW or 99% of the other MMO's out.
What large group mobs and with what class were you soloing?
I really want to play this game. But I think I'll wait until server merge. And a month until my new compy gets here... running VG on 512MB prob wont work out too well .
Originally posted by swordmark45 Excellent post. It really is a game worth playing now not later when all the "bashers" decide to join and want to PL themselves up to where you will already be. Just think of all the Plat you will make off them (via selling the items off the borker) when they decide this is the best game out there, which in my eyes it already is.
Denial...it's not just a river in Egypt. When you Vanguard fans wake up and realize your game for what it is, a shitty, non-optimized, drain on the gaming world piece of crap, then were all going to be much better for it. Just get on with it, cancel your subscriptions and realize that the world has put this game exactly where it belongs....in the crapper. No one is going to be joining you now or later.
Posts like this are moot. There is no such "blinded vanboi". Everyone, really everyone who still plays or has hopes for the game knows every single flaw. Every post in the last weeks is unbiased. No one is denying the flaws. There is a lot excellent stuff ingame and a lot stuff is unfinished or still not there. But SoE has proven that they know how to balance and improve a game. They did it with EQ2 and they will do so with V:SoH.
I really want to play this game. But I think I'll wait until server merge. And a month until my new compy gets here... running VG on 512MB prob wont work out too well .
no... not atm, but SOE said they are going to address the engine to allow it to work on older systems. I feel that is where most of the "bashers" come from anyway. They can't play it cause they can not afford to get a better system. Honestly I upgraded my system to run this game and I have not felt at all it was a waste of money. Hope to seeya soon after your new systems arrives.
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
Name one way vanguard is easier then WoW.. i played wow religiously for a year.. How much time did you put into vg?
Vanguard combat is EASY. EASY. EASY. I was soloing "large group mobs" well above my level with little chance of dying, or even being seriously hurt. I don't believe I've ever been able to solo a raid mob in WoW..
How much time.. Beta for a month or so and then enough live to get 1 toon to the low 40s and bunch into the mid 20s, and a mid-30 weaponsmith. I stuck around long enough to give it a fair chance.
You're kidding, right?
You could have watched me clear entire farms in WPL with my mage. 20+ mobs at a time.
Myself and a friend would duo instances that were up to +2 levels over us with our hunters.
Combat in VG actually has more depth and complexity to it then WoWs if you take advantage of it. If you just press buttons then it's no dif. then WoW or 99% of the other MMO's out.
What large group mobs and with what class were you soloing?
And here's where I ask if you're kidding...
Vanguard combat has NO depth or complexity. Every creature fights the same as everything else.. mindless and easy, hardly anything complex going on there.
WoW has FAR more depth and complex combat, if for no other reason that it has encounters that differ from everything else you've been fighting since level 1.
And I played a bard, and could take any creature I could hit. Was just a matter of how much time I was willing to put into it.
Name one way vanguard is easier then WoW.. i played wow religiously for a year.. How much time did you put into vg?
Vanguard combat is EASY. EASY. EASY. I was soloing "large group mobs" well above my level with little chance of dying, or even being seriously hurt. I don't believe I've ever been able to solo a raid mob in WoW..
How much time.. Beta for a month or so and then enough live to get 1 toon to the low 40s and bunch into the mid 20s, and a mid-30 weaponsmith. I stuck around long enough to give it a fair chance.
You're kidding, right?
You could have watched me clear entire farms in WPL with my mage. 20+ mobs at a time.
Myself and a friend would duo instances that were up to +2 levels over us with our hunters.
Combat in VG actually has more depth and complexity to it then WoWs if you take advantage of it. If you just press buttons then it's no dif. then WoW or 99% of the other MMO's out.
What large group mobs and with what class were you soloing?
And here's where I ask if you're kidding...
Vanguard combat has NO depth or complexity. Every creature fights the same as everything else.. mindless and easy, hardly anything complex going on there.
WoW has FAR more depth and complex combat, if for no other reason that it has encounters that differ from everything else you've been fighting since level 1.
And I played a bard, and could take any creature I could hit. Was just a matter of how much time I was willing to put into it.
I don't think you played the game, or didn't play very long.
Counters. Openers. Sypathetic debuffs.
I agree that the combat in VG is just more of the same, but they did add a little to it.
Tank, sunders, sunder, sunder, sunder, sunder. Me, one key, one key, one key, one key, mob dead. One was my frost bolt or fire ball. Or as a hunter it was: the 15 second rotation, something along the lines of hitting my four, three, two, and one key. Or with my lock. Dot, dot, dot, mana or life drain, dot, dot, dot. Gimme a break. Every class in WoW was like that unless you were the healer, and then it's heal main, heal main, heal rogue (maybe) heal main.
I can't just spam one button with my druid, BM, Sorc. in VG, and if I watch what the other people in my group are doing, I can use an ability that is sympathetic to what they are doing. It's not a huge dif., nor is it required to play, but it's there.
And no, every mob in VG doesn't do the same thing. In fact you can see what they are doing if your awareness or perception (whatever stat it is) is high enough, and you may be able to get a counter if you're paying attention. The closest thing that WoW has to that is counterspelling; not quite the same thing though.
The only game that I've played that matches VG style of combat is EQ2, and I think EQ2 actually puts both those games to shame.
WoW's combat is fun because it's easy, but it's depth only extends as far as the player behind the toon and how well they know thier charcter; something you find in just about every MMO.
Nice review OP, glad you are having fun so far, I enjoyed it too during the lower levels.
We'll see if you still enjoy that rogue by level 20 or so... (I'd recommend you reroll one of the good solo classes right now, such as a cleric, hunter(ranger?) or bear shaman.... )
I've solo well with the bard and dread knight...
For the bard you play speed song and the slow monster movement song (cant remember name) and then all you really have to do is side step and run in a circular movement and kite the monsters, I saw my brother do this and you dont even have to face the monster to be using your bow, thats why i made a bard...we made it to level 35 doing this solo and sometimes duo until i quit in may...
For the dread knight grab about 4-6 monsters 2-3 levels lower than you with 2-3 dots, then all you do is fight em all using your AE lifetap skill (absorbs 100% of the damage you dealt to all the monsters and transfer it to your hp) and your shadowstep and lifetap the single monster until you kill them all...very easy and effective, most I ever took on was 10 monsters and died to the 11th one because I ran out of mana to shadowstep and lifetap him (he had 5% hp left too)...But IMO dreadknights are the PERFECT duo class with the paladin, again My bro and I were very good at doing this duo...i grab about 10-20 monsters and he does his AE taunt with his paladin then i do my AE life tap and then my AE taunt and tank...we fight teh same monster and switch to the next...whenever i needed the heal due to low mana and stamina he heals me and takes aggro until he's low on hp then I do my AE taunt and take over so he can heal himself...Repeat the process over and over again it gets fun when you try the harder levels too...most we done was 3 levels up 3 dot monsters, we were able to take on about 6-8 (at level 25)...The thing you REALLY need to undestand though is if you dont pull a lot of monsters your AE lifetap skill is worthless and you dont get so much hp back to heal yourself...
Vanguard 3rd gen mmo ? give me a break. Vanguard bring ZERO innovation to the table.
hmm... let's see... EQ, diplomacy, nope,
AC, diplomacy, nope,
DaoC, diplomacy, nope,
WoW, diplomacy, nope,
CoH, diplomacy, nope.
detecting a trend here?
Vanguard may not be the revolutionary 3rd gen MMO that was claimed, but.... ZERO innovation, nope.
If a stupid, absolutly pointless timesink ripoff of YuGiOh is what you call innovation: LOL@U
You make very constructive posts. It shows your age.
I'm not sure that I would call it a Yugioh rip off. Yugi is a rip off of magic the gathering, but magic the gathering is for the older crowd of card gamer then yugi; so you may not be that familliar with it.
Vanguard 3rd gen mmo ? give me a break. Vanguard bring ZERO innovation to the table.
hmm... let's see... EQ, diplomacy, nope,
AC, diplomacy, nope,
DaoC, diplomacy, nope,
WoW, diplomacy, nope,
CoH, diplomacy, nope.
detecting a trend here?
Vanguard may not be the revolutionary 3rd gen MMO that was claimed, but.... ZERO innovation, nope.
If a stupid, absolutly pointless timesink ripoff of YuGiOh is what you call innovation: LOL@UI suspect that people said the same thing regarding crafting / harvesting early on in the evolution of MMO's from hack/slash fests .... people standing in the same place 'MAKING THINGS'? LOL@j00!
no, what i call it is a whole new sphere utilizing an existing dynamic (faction) for new and potentially revolutionary ends, if they do it properly..... I adventure in VG, I craft in VG, and I guess LOL@ME because I enjoy diplomacy, and I think, again, if they do it properly, it will bring a whole new dynamic to MMO's in the context of Raids and Bosses evolving games from 'go kill the boss' to ....hmmm... is there another way to get past this? and yes, i played M:tG since very nearly its inception, so it appears there is a sphere in this niche game for a further niche.....
but, hey, read the sig.....
"We aren't going to ... Period. End of statement."
Excellent post. It really is a game worth playing now not later when all the "bashers" decide to join and want to PL themselves up to where you will already be. Just think of all the Plat you will make off them (via selling the items off the borker) when they decide this is the best game out there, which in my eyes it already is.
Denial...it's not just a river in Egypt.
When you Vanguard fans wake up and realize your game for what it is, a shitty, non-optimized, drain on the gaming world piece of crap, then were all going to be much better for it. Just get on with it, cancel your subscriptions and realize that the world has put this game exactly where it belongs....in the crapper. No one is going to be joining you now or later.
So, I'm looking for a seamless, non-instanced, large world with eyeball-popping scenery, preferably without the standard fantasy pointy-eared and green folks, and definitely without mandatory piloting of spaceships. There should be some meaningful experiences that do not involve mowing down hordes of imbecilic computer-controlled characters or forced combat with player characters. I'm willing to put up with some turdiness if the overall experience is OK. Got any recommendations?
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Bear shaman is the way to go TBH. You can solo all the way up and actually have fun too. Ranger is so so with solo but once again you have to kite alot.
Solo players go with Bear shawman. Otherwise you'll need a group with a tank/healer and dps like Sorc.
If your going at it solo then just stick with mobs that are a lvl higher than you. lvl 6 you should be able to find some spiders and wolves around your area. Wolves go down the quickest and give good xp. Most of the missions are for teams of 2-6 and take a long time to run around and do for the little xp they offer. Most of the quests are the laxzy npc types ie: go here and kill 15 of this and that. /yawn boring.
If you do grouping do KE, ants, tk to lvl 35 from 35 to 40 things get slow until your high enough to do the group thing again
But whatever you do do not make a cleric unless your idea of fun is just to heal while others have fun
Vanguard combat is EASY. EASY. EASY. I was soloing "large group mobs" well above my level with little chance of dying, or even being seriously hurt. I don't believe I've ever been able to solo a raid mob in WoW..
How much time.. Beta for a month or so and then enough live to get 1 toon to the low 40s and bunch into the mid 20s, and a mid-30 weaponsmith. I stuck around long enough to give it a fair chance.
You're kidding, right?
You could have watched me clear entire farms in WPL with my mage. 20+ mobs at a time.
Myself and a friend would duo instances that were up to +2 levels over us with our hunters.
Combat in VG actually has more depth and complexity to it then WoWs if you take advantage of it. If you just press buttons then it's no dif. then WoW or 99% of the other MMO's out.
What large group mobs and with what class were you soloing?
Wish Darkfall would release.
Posts like this are moot. There is no such "blinded vanboi". Everyone, really everyone who still plays or has hopes for the game knows every single flaw. Every post in the last weeks is unbiased. No one is denying the flaws. There is a lot excellent stuff ingame and a lot stuff is unfinished or still not there. But SoE has proven that they know how to balance and improve a game. They did it with EQ2 and they will do so with V:SoH.A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
No not yet it is on the long term list.
Does anyone remember that EQ went a very long time without helms as well?
I still have Longhorn nightmares about the Barbarian warrior helms once they were finally in game. ::shudders::
A MMO is like life. It is something to cherish and enjoy upon in it journey. So why race to the end of it. In life at the end you die.
Vanguard combat is EASY. EASY. EASY. I was soloing "large group mobs" well above my level with little chance of dying, or even being seriously hurt. I don't believe I've ever been able to solo a raid mob in WoW..
How much time.. Beta for a month or so and then enough live to get 1 toon to the low 40s and bunch into the mid 20s, and a mid-30 weaponsmith. I stuck around long enough to give it a fair chance.
You're kidding, right?
You could have watched me clear entire farms in WPL with my mage. 20+ mobs at a time.
Myself and a friend would duo instances that were up to +2 levels over us with our hunters.
Combat in VG actually has more depth and complexity to it then WoWs if you take advantage of it. If you just press buttons then it's no dif. then WoW or 99% of the other MMO's out.
What large group mobs and with what class were you soloing?
And here's where I ask if you're kidding...
Vanguard combat has NO depth or complexity. Every creature fights the same as everything else.. mindless and easy, hardly anything complex going on there.
WoW has FAR more depth and complex combat, if for no other reason that it has encounters that differ from everything else you've been fighting since level 1.
And I played a bard, and could take any creature I could hit. Was just a matter of how much time I was willing to put into it.
Vanguard combat is EASY. EASY. EASY. I was soloing "large group mobs" well above my level with little chance of dying, or even being seriously hurt. I don't believe I've ever been able to solo a raid mob in WoW..
How much time.. Beta for a month or so and then enough live to get 1 toon to the low 40s and bunch into the mid 20s, and a mid-30 weaponsmith. I stuck around long enough to give it a fair chance.
You're kidding, right?
You could have watched me clear entire farms in WPL with my mage. 20+ mobs at a time.
Myself and a friend would duo instances that were up to +2 levels over us with our hunters.
Combat in VG actually has more depth and complexity to it then WoWs if you take advantage of it. If you just press buttons then it's no dif. then WoW or 99% of the other MMO's out.
What large group mobs and with what class were you soloing?
And here's where I ask if you're kidding...
Vanguard combat has NO depth or complexity. Every creature fights the same as everything else.. mindless and easy, hardly anything complex going on there.
WoW has FAR more depth and complex combat, if for no other reason that it has encounters that differ from everything else you've been fighting since level 1.
And I played a bard, and could take any creature I could hit. Was just a matter of how much time I was willing to put into it.
I don't think you played the game, or didn't play very long.
Counters. Openers. Sypathetic debuffs.
I agree that the combat in VG is just more of the same, but they did add a little to it.
Tank, sunders, sunder, sunder, sunder, sunder. Me, one key, one key, one key, one key, mob dead. One was my frost bolt or fire ball. Or as a hunter it was: the 15 second rotation, something along the lines of hitting my four, three, two, and one key. Or with my lock. Dot, dot, dot, mana or life drain, dot, dot, dot. Gimme a break. Every class in WoW was like that unless you were the healer, and then it's heal main, heal main, heal rogue (maybe) heal main.
I can't just spam one button with my druid, BM, Sorc. in VG, and if I watch what the other people in my group are doing, I can use an ability that is sympathetic to what they are doing. It's not a huge dif., nor is it required to play, but it's there.
And no, every mob in VG doesn't do the same thing. In fact you can see what they are doing if your awareness or perception (whatever stat it is) is high enough, and you may be able to get a counter if you're paying attention. The closest thing that WoW has to that is counterspelling; not quite the same thing though.
The only game that I've played that matches VG style of combat is EQ2, and I think EQ2 actually puts both those games to shame.
WoW's combat is fun because it's easy, but it's depth only extends as far as the player behind the toon and how well they know thier charcter; something you find in just about every MMO.
Wish Darkfall would release.
AC, diplomacy, nope,
DaoC, diplomacy, nope,
WoW, diplomacy, nope,
CoH, diplomacy, nope.
detecting a trend here?
Vanguard may not be the revolutionary 3rd gen MMO that was claimed, but.... ZERO innovation, nope.
If a stupid, absolutly pointless timesink ripoff of YuGiOh is what you call innovation: LOL@U
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
I've solo well with the bard and dread knight...
For the bard you play speed song and the slow monster movement song (cant remember name) and then all you really have to do is side step and run in a circular movement and kite the monsters, I saw my brother do this and you dont even have to face the monster to be using your bow, thats why i made a bard...we made it to level 35 doing this solo and sometimes duo until i quit in may...
For the dread knight grab about 4-6 monsters 2-3 levels lower than you with 2-3 dots, then all you do is fight em all using your AE lifetap skill (absorbs 100% of the damage you dealt to all the monsters and transfer it to your hp) and your shadowstep and lifetap the single monster until you kill them all...very easy and effective, most I ever took on was 10 monsters and died to the 11th one because I ran out of mana to shadowstep and lifetap him (he had 5% hp left too)...But IMO dreadknights are the PERFECT duo class with the paladin, again My bro and I were very good at doing this duo...i grab about 10-20 monsters and he does his AE taunt with his paladin then i do my AE life tap and then my AE taunt and tank...we fight teh same monster and switch to the next...whenever i needed the heal due to low mana and stamina he heals me and takes aggro until he's low on hp then I do my AE taunt and take over so he can heal himself...Repeat the process over and over again it gets fun when you try the harder levels too...most we done was 3 levels up 3 dot monsters, we were able to take on about 6-8 (at level 25)...The thing you REALLY need to undestand though is if you dont pull a lot of monsters your AE lifetap skill is worthless and you dont get so much hp back to heal yourself...
AC, diplomacy, nope,
DaoC, diplomacy, nope,
WoW, diplomacy, nope,
CoH, diplomacy, nope.
detecting a trend here?
Vanguard may not be the revolutionary 3rd gen MMO that was claimed, but.... ZERO innovation, nope.
If a stupid, absolutly pointless timesink ripoff of YuGiOh is what you call innovation: LOL@U
You make very constructive posts. It shows your age.
I'm not sure that I would call it a Yugioh rip off. Yugi is a rip off of magic the gathering, but magic the gathering is for the older crowd of card gamer then yugi; so you may not be that familliar with it.
Wish Darkfall would release.
AC, diplomacy, nope,
DaoC, diplomacy, nope,
WoW, diplomacy, nope,
CoH, diplomacy, nope.
detecting a trend here?
Vanguard may not be the revolutionary 3rd gen MMO that was claimed, but.... ZERO innovation, nope.
If a stupid, absolutly pointless timesink ripoff of YuGiOh is what you call innovation: LOL@UI suspect that people said the same thing regarding crafting / harvesting early on in the evolution of MMO's from hack/slash fests .... people standing in the same place 'MAKING THINGS'? LOL@j00!
no, what i call it is a whole new sphere utilizing an existing dynamic (faction) for new and potentially revolutionary ends, if they do it properly..... I adventure in VG, I craft in VG, and I guess LOL@ME because I enjoy diplomacy, and I think, again, if they do it properly, it will bring a whole new dynamic to MMO's in the context of Raids and Bosses evolving games from 'go kill the boss' to ....hmmm... is there another way to get past this? and yes, i played M:tG since very nearly its inception, so it appears there is a sphere in this niche game for a further niche.....
but, hey, read the sig.....
"We aren't going to ... Period. End of statement."
ya. ok. whatever.
but what do i know, i'm only a vanbois i'm told.
Denial...it's not just a river in Egypt.
When you Vanguard fans wake up and realize your game for what it is, a shitty, non-optimized, drain on the gaming world piece of crap, then were all going to be much better for it. Just get on with it, cancel your subscriptions and realize that the world has put this game exactly where it belongs....in the crapper. No one is going to be joining you now or later.
So, I'm looking for a seamless, non-instanced, large world with eyeball-popping scenery, preferably without the standard fantasy pointy-eared and green folks, and definitely without mandatory piloting of spaceships. There should be some meaningful experiences that do not involve mowing down hordes of imbecilic computer-controlled characters or forced combat with player characters. I'm willing to put up with some turdiness if the overall experience is OK. Got any recommendations?
"We aren't going to ... Period. End of statement."
ya. ok. whatever.
but what do i know, i'm only a vanbois i'm told.